[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???
What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1? When might it actually be released? Freedos 1.0 definitely has some bugs still that could be fixed. Updating Freedos 1.0 is haphazard at best, especially with limited networking support and movement towards a newer updating standard. What are the long term goals for Freedos? I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement. I would also like to see the abandonware issue get revisited as sadly most people who still use dos are going to want to use a software package that is commercially licensed but not legally obtainable. One area that I feel freedos at this point is weak in is networking. Windows 9x style networking essentially isn't available. I'm talking long file names, broad network card support, broad printer support, the works. I'm talking printer sharing. Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing. You can download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal. I would like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be supported on a dos based platform. Can a dos based system running some kind of graphical user interface support the current crop of Java programs? Even a free word processor that is comparable to Wordperfect 6.0 dos ported to Freedos would be a great thing. So in short here are areas I want to see some emphasis placed on: 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium. No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will. 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is GPLed available to Freedos users. 3) Abandonware. This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives. 4) Fix the bugs as much as possible, this is critical for a 1.1 release. 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos machines from. Perhaps a protocol is needed to keep these local update servers up to date. I'm thinking: ftp, rsync, http, or possibly something else. I for one would like to get updates on compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol. 6) Make a new installer that offers more advanced customization, but use open source tools to create it. 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne doesn't support IMAP. Please someone address this. If Freedos had come out with a 1.0 release at the same time that MS-DOS 6.22 hit the scene, abandonware would be less of an issue. Unfortunately, most commercial dos programs that people want to use these days are very old, hard to obtain legally, or both. This is where pirateware sites come in and things get dicey unless there are free alternatives. People talk about Foxpro a lot, how about cloning it? It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software? Programming languages and hardware drivers constitute tools to build application software with. Is it time to make some decisions about how far Freedos should go concerning: word processing, web browsing, email, games, accounting software, etcetera? In 10 years time, the abandonware problem will probably get worse. I think the best way to address the abandonware issue is to steer people towards Linux for word processing, web browsing, general office productivity apps, and email. Beyond that, start cloning popular proprietary dos software. A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible Windows compatible gui that improves over time, this could be a major catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???
15-Feb-2010 числа в 00:09 часов, Michael Robinson написал(а) следующее: Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing. You can download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal. I would Try word deed. -- /4625 () кампания ascii ribbon - против писем в html формате /\ www.asciiribbon.org - против проприетарных вложений -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???
Hi, I cannot speak to much of this, but can tell you that the last edition of wordperfect for dos, 6.22, is still available, and dreadfully cheap if not free by now. If you have an interest let me know, and I can direct you to the person with the legal copies. If there is enough general interest here, I can post the information to the list. Karen On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Michael Robinson wrote: What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1? When might it actually be released? Freedos 1.0 definitely has some bugs still that could be fixed. Updating Freedos 1.0 is haphazard at best, especially with limited networking support and movement towards a newer updating standard. What are the long term goals for Freedos? I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement. I would also like to see the abandonware issue get revisited as sadly most people who still use dos are going to want to use a software package that is commercially licensed but not legally obtainable. One area that I feel freedos at this point is weak in is networking. Windows 9x style networking essentially isn't available. I'm talking long file names, broad network card support, broad printer support, the works. I'm talking printer sharing. Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing. You can download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal. I would like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be supported on a dos based platform. Can a dos based system running some kind of graphical user interface support the current crop of Java programs? Even a free word processor that is comparable to Wordperfect 6.0 dos ported to Freedos would be a great thing. So in short here are areas I want to see some emphasis placed on: 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium. No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will. 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is GPLed available to Freedos users. 3) Abandonware. This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives. 4) Fix the bugs as much as possible, this is critical for a 1.1 release. 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos machines from. Perhaps a protocol is needed to keep these local update servers up to date. I'm thinking: ftp, rsync, http, or possibly something else. I for one would like to get updates on compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol. 6) Make a new installer that offers more advanced customization, but use open source tools to create it. 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne doesn't support IMAP. Please someone address this. If Freedos had come out with a 1.0 release at the same time that MS-DOS 6.22 hit the scene, abandonware would be less of an issue. Unfortunately, most commercial dos programs that people want to use these days are very old, hard to obtain legally, or both. This is where pirateware sites come in and things get dicey unless there are free alternatives. People talk about Foxpro a lot, how about cloning it? It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software? Programming languages and hardware drivers constitute tools to build application software with. Is it time to make some decisions about how far Freedos should go concerning: word processing, web browsing, email, games, accounting software, etcetera? In 10 years time, the abandonware problem will probably get worse. I think the best way to address the abandonware issue is to steer people towards Linux for word processing, web browsing, general office productivity apps, and email. Beyond that, start cloning popular proprietary dos software. A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible Windows compatible gui that improves over time, this could be a major catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev
[Freedos-user] internet radio or streaming audio?
Hi all, I have a wonderful dsl connection now in dos using ms dos 7.1, pure not under windows of course, and wattpc applications most notably ssh2021b which lets me telnet to my shell service shellworld.net Having dreadful success with doslynx, even though I use lynx itself on my shell service. I would love to have a dos based browser that can work with speech, that rules out Arachnid but wonder if the one thing I cannot use right now would be a possibility regardless? any way to access either Internet radio applications, or streaming audio links in dos at present Will stop my question there and wait, Karen -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???
What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1? Fix BUG's ... I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement. Please don't disturb the death silence. R.I.P. Windaube ;-) Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing. You can download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos YES :-( like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be supported on a dos based platform. It can. But you need a compiler with DOS support, and some usable GUI. And, you have to know what type of DOS you want to support. NTVDM support - death of DOS development :-( 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium. NO. No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will. Good :-) 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is GPLed available to Freedos users. Good idea. 3) Abandonware. This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives. Indeed. 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos machines from. ??? possibly something else. I for one would like to get updates on compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol. Good, but FreeDOS doesn't need too frequent updates ;-) 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne doesn't support IMAP. Please someone address this. Arachne also lacks HTTPS and HTTP uploads. JS sucks but many pages :-( It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software? I have a video editor in the pipeline ;-) A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible Windows compatible gui HX GUI ;-) that improves over time, this could be a major catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward. As long as you don't add VxD's into it ... About world processing, I tested ANTIWORLD recently and it works somewhat. But it doesn't support the new .dogx format :-( -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
