Re: [Freedos-user] the int thing.
What kind of USB controllers are on the mobo (UHCI/OHCI/EHCI/XHCI)? My drivers in their current state will only work with UHCI. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] malware (was Re: (no subject))
Hi, On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net wrote: FYI this is v1agra spam. Probably sent by a malware infested PC. Curious combination of email addresses in the to field... Not that curious, it's obviously sent to addresses beginning with the letters f, g, and h. So yeah, it's probably some virus / malware sending out junk through his address book. Hopefully he'll get this message and do something about it! P.S. Best not to even quote spam with URLs verbatim because you don't want anyone thinking, even accidentally, that you are promoting it. On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:11:08 -0500, Brad Woosley c_brw_2...@yahoo.com wrote: http://spam.sux -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re : Support for 4k byte sectors
Just a note, Folks, /who/ said advanced format disks (presenting 512 byte sectors) are with us for ten years - or more, so we should be little concerned about having to support true 4K sector disks ? But I stumbled upon a couple pages that say otherwise : the industry has agreed to sell AF disks only *until the end of 2014*! This if true is way shorter than 10 years, and would IMO justify real work done on updating the kernel. I've not kept the links, ooops! but Google is our friend (is it?) By procrastinating one would be doing the same kind of costly mistake than, say, for IPv6 support (lack of it). Regards -- Czerno -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] int notation.
The INT xx.yy notation has been around for a loong time, doubt that there is anyone who can put a claim on having invented this b now... ;-) As you can see by the way I phrased it there, I never claimed that Bret or I was the _sole_ inventor ;) And you're absolutely right, I might have picked up INT xx.yy from somewhere and extended it to the Intxx.yy(yy).zz=ww(ww).vvv I explained in the other message later on. I might slightly amend my (long!) description in that I prefer to use Int in that capitalization and no space between that abbreviation and the xx; whereas, say, Bret uses INT all-capitalized here, and a space before the xx. That's as well a matter of preference here, at least as far as the capitalization is concerned, Right. I didn't mean to imply it was more than a preference when I said I prefer to. as all DOS assemblers are case-insensitive... That doesn't even figure into it though, as I am not aware of any assemblers or interpreters (yet) that would directly read a command of the form Intxx.yy... to execute it. Regards, C. Masloch -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
Greetings, I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? Thanks Bob Cochran -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re : Support for 4k byte sectors
Links please? On 1/25/12 1:46 PM, Bertho Grandpied wrote: Just a note, Folks, /who/ said advanced format disks (presenting 512 byte sectors) are with us for ten years - or more, so we should be little concerned about having to support true 4K sector disks ? But I stumbled upon a couple pages that say otherwise : the industry has agreed to sell AF disks only *until the end of 2014*! This if true is way shorter than 10 years, and would IMO justify real work done on updating the kernel. I've not kept the links, ooops! but Google is our friend (is it?) By procrastinating one would be doing the same kind of costly mistake than, say, for IPv6 support (lack of it). Regards -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net wrote: I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? I can't speak for the community, but can detail my usage. FreeDOS is a legacy operating system. It's intended to be an open source clone of MS-DOS/PC-DOS. DOS is a 16 bit operating system developed for machines far slower and less powerful than the current norm. The vast majority of users don't need DOS. Those who do need to support legacy DOS apps or just like playing with retro-tech. On 32 bit machines, you don't necessarily need FreeDOS to run DOS apps. Windows through XP will run DOS apps in a window, using NTVDM. The exceptions tend to be DOS games, which historically accessed the PC hardware directly to get performance. This is a no-no under a multi-tasking OS, as your app cannot assume it owns the machine and is the only thing running. There are a couple of virtual machine packages - DOSBox and DOSEmu - that are intended to address this, making legacy apps think they own the machine, but it's sometimes simpler to just boot directly to a flavor of DOS, and FreeDOS is one option. I have FreeDOS installed on an old notebook, multi-booting with Win2K Pro and two flavors of Linux. I can run most of the DOS apps I have on the FreeDOS slice in a window in Win2K or in DOSBox under Linux as well, but booting to pure DOS is faster. I started using DOS ion the days when the original IBM PC was first taking over the corporate desktop, and it can be fun to flex some long unused muscles. Thanks Bob Cochran __ Dennis -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] C compiler
Dear Sirs Is there any official or recommended C compiler for Freedos? Would be great if such compiler come included on the distro so the user can create their own programs. I know djgpp and Watcom, are both compilers under active development/maintenance? -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury http://www.achury.com.ve -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Using a menu for many options
Hello FreeDOS people, At work I maintain CMOS images for a variety of different types of hardware. When we have a new server going out the door, we boot up FreeDOS on this machine and run a utility that flashes the correct image to the BIOS. Up to now, we've been using the Menu command in FDCONFIG.SYS to maintain the list of images, and it's an easy matter of selecting the correct server type and away we go. But the number of different images has been increasing and I seem to have run into a limit of 10 items (0-9) for the menu system. I'd like to get some recommendations of how to work around this, either within FDCINFIG.SYS or some combination of this and other files. The goal is to present a menu with the complete list of image types (or some way of drilling down into these items) and it's easy for the user to choose the correct one and it will automatically run the appropriate command. Suggestions? -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 18:53 -0500, Bob Cochran wrote: Greetings, I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? Thanks Bob Cochran I am probably not a typical user, but I use FreeDOS to control an automatic diode tester. I need to be able to have unrestricted access to the computer hardware, such as registers, memory, communications ports, etc. I need to do that in nearly real time. Higher level OS systems such as WINDOWS or LINUX don't allow that or if it is allowed at all it is with considerable latency. Incidentally, I write my software in the FORTH language, and occasionally in assembler. Regards George Frothingham -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 18:53 -0500, Bob Cochran wrote: Greetings, I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? Thanks Bob Cochran I am probably not a typical user, but I use FreeDOS to control an automatic diode tester. I need to be able to have unrestricted access to the computer hardware. I write to registers, memory, communications ports etc. I need to do that in near real time. Higher level OS systems such as WINDOWS and LINUX don't allow that or if they allow it all there is considerable latency. Incidentally, I write my software in the FORTH language. Regards George Frothingham -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using a menu for many options
Hi Micheal, I'd like to get some recommendations of how to work around this, either within FDCINFIG.SYS or some combination of this and other files. The goal is to present a menu with the complete list of image types (or some way of drilling down into these items) and it's easy for the user to choose the correct one and it will automatically run the appropriate command. Are you using FDAUTO.BAT? You could use the choice command for example Choice /C:0123456789abcdef if %errorlevel%==1 goto option1 else if %errorlevel%==2 goto option2 else if %errorlevel%==3 goto option3 else if %errorlevel%==4 goto option4 option1: goto end option2: goto end end: for 16 menu options Obviously not as convenient as FDCONFIG.SYS menu Hope this helps, Jeffrey -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] C compiler
Hi, On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any official or recommended C compiler for Freedos? The official (if you can call it that) C compiler for FreeDOS is OpenWatcom, which is used to build the kernel. The official assembler is NASM (also used for a few files in the kernel). FreeCOM (only in SVN) can build with OpenWatcom, but I'm not sure if that was ever stabilized (yet) or not. In old days, FreeDOS prefered freeware Borland tools (e.g. Turbo C), so some old things rely on that. (But FreeDOS doesn't have permission to mirror old Borland tools, sadly.) You can check the iBiblio mirror, though I know some stuff is old and should probably be updated (e.g. the old LCC 3.6 binaries, which are fairly useless as it stands). I know of a replacement 4.2 version (via Detlef Reimers) using DJGPP 2.01 libc, but it's got some weird stuff in it (fonts, gfx lib) also, and I'm not educated or bold enough to dump it without making sure it's acceptable. Actually, I keep forgetting, LCC has a slightly GPL-unfriendly license, so Jim may frown upon it entirely. Also not sure if the Pacific C there is 7.50 or 7.51, may be older one, newer is found in 1.0's /pkgs/, IIRC. Other stuff should be okay, e.g. CC386 (though I find OrangeC too experimental to mirror just yet, but feel free to disagree with me). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/ Would be great if such compiler come included on the distro so the user can create their own programs. It was in old 1.0, but I'm pretty sure 1.1 (minimal) doesn't have it. Perhaps in future 1.2. Anyways, just grab it from the iBiblio mirror or OpenWatcom's site itself: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/openwatcom/1.9/ ftp://ftp.openwatcom.org/ I know djgpp and Watcom, are both compilers under active development/maintenance? DJGPP is still creaking along (barely). Not a lot of volunteers, but recent ports of various things have been created, e.g. XZ Utils 5.03, BinUtils 2.22, ed 1.6, Diff 3.2, GDB 7.3.1, etc. Yes, DJGPP supports latest GCC 4.6.2, though the libc (2.04 beta) is officially eight years old. Some updates have been done in CVS, but there's been no new official release of the libc since then. But it's already pretty darn stable. OpenWatcom is different, of course, still vaguely updated, but I don't know of any huge improvements behind the scenes since 1.9 (June 2010), the last public release so far. There has been a small lull since then due to the volunteers being ultra busy with other things, but officially they still intend to release 2.0 in another six months or so. It's quite stable also, so there are no problems in recommending it. In other words, could be better, could be worse, but luckily it's not all dead yet. P.S. DJGPP's GCC (-std=c99) probably has slightly better C99 support than OpenWatcom (-za99), but almost every DOS compiler these days is at least (mostly) ANSI C89 compliant. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
Hi, On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net wrote: I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? DOS is good for gaming and programming, usually old software on old hardware (but not always). With various kinds of emulation (or a native FreeDOS install), it (kinda) works on new hardware too. For me, it's what I'm used to, what I know (sorta), what I enjoy, so I use it. But admittedly it's a losing battle (almost). (longer reply snipped) -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
