Re: [Freedos-user] very quick freedos question?
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Fine fine answer. > When he first contacted me he was planning to use dos box emulator, or > some other dos emulation program. He must have dos for the assignment I > understand. I've used DOSBOX to run a few DOS apps under Linux. It was developed to let folks run old DOS games, but can be used for other apps as well. I found an Android port of DOSBOX, and have successfully run a couple of old character mode DOS games on my tablet. It works well enough to let me run DOS apps on a device running an ARM Cortex 7 CPU. :-) > I am unsure just how much dos one gets with an emulator smiles. Still > from your explanation, he may need to revert back either to this, or do > what I was first asking, download and burn a bootable freedos disc. The question is how much one needs. NTVDM under 2K/XP provides what looks to the DOS app like 640K of RAM, access to EMS and XMS memory, and the DOS system calls the app will try to issue. Most DOS commands like cd, md, rd, copy, del, and ren are built-ins of COMMAND.COM, and that's provided with 2K/XP. DOSBOX does the same thing on other OSes. The issue with a bootable FreeDOS disk is that there isn't really a FreeDOS Live CD. The bootable FreeDOS images are intended toi allow you to install FreeDOS on a system. But FreeDOS uses a FAT16 or FAT32 file system, so if you want to install it on a machine that already has an OS, you likely have to repartition the drive to carve out a slice you can format as FAT to install FreeDOS on, and set up a multi-boot configuration. I did that on the ancient notebook FreeDOS is on here. It has a 40GB drive that I repartitioned, with a 20GB slice as NTFS for Win2K Pro, two 8GB slices formatted Ext4 for Ubuntu and Puppy Linux, a 2GB FAT32 slice for FreeDOS and swap areas for the two Linux installations multibooting from Linux Grub.. > Thanks, > Kare __ Dennis -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] very quick freedos question?
Fine fine answer. When he first contacted me he was planning to use dos box emulator, or some other dos emulation program. He must have dos for the assignment I understand. I am unsure just how much dos one gets with an emulator smiles. Still from your explanation, he may need to revert back either to this, or do what I was first asking, download and burn a bootable freedos disc. Thanks, Kare On Sat, 13 Sep 2014, dmccunney wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Karen Lewellen > wrote: >> Thanks Chris, others. >> The kid is actually now investigating just using the dos command shell >> under windows 7 for the job. I have no idea how complete that shell is, I >> do not use windows. still it may be simpler than either an emulator or a >> completely different dos animal. He is doing a code writing assignment for >> school, not really learning to use dos. > > The console in Windows is just that - a character mode console > terminal where you can get to a command line. It's not DOS, though > you can use things that act like DOS commands to perform operations. > You are talking to the Windows command interpreter, CMD.EXE, not > MS-DOS COMMAND.COM. > > Under Win2K/XP, you could run MS-DOS applications in a console. > Windows provided NTVDM, which provided a DOS environment in a form of > virtual machine. NTVDM would spawn a copy of COMMAND.COM to run the > DOS app, and provide an emulated DOS environment. Shell out of the > DOS app and you were in 32 bit Windows, talking to CMD.EXE. > > Win Vista/7/8 cannot normally run MS-DOS applications. DOS apps are > 16 bit programs, and 16 bit apps are not supported under 64 bit > Windows. You must either run a 32 bit Windows version (and there is > a 32 bit Win7 version, but none for Win 8), or you run a virtual > machine like VMWare, VirtualBox, or MS's own virtual machine. MS has > an XP Mode image that can be run in it's VM under Win7, but you must > be running at least the Pro version to get and use it. > > Without knowing what the kid is trying to do, it's hard to make > further comments, but it sounds like he might not really need DOS - > just a console with a command line. > >> Kare > __ > Dennis > > -- > Want excitement? > Manually upgrade your production database. > When you want reliability, choose Perforce > Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] very quick freedos question?
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Thanks Chris, others. > The kid is actually now investigating just using the dos command shell > under windows 7 for the job. I have no idea how complete that shell is, I > do not use windows. still it may be simpler than either an emulator or a > completely different dos animal. He is doing a code writing assignment for > school, not really learning to use dos. The console in Windows is just that - a character mode console terminal where you can get to a command line. It's not DOS, though you can use things that act like DOS commands to perform operations. You are talking to the Windows command interpreter, CMD.EXE, not MS-DOS COMMAND.COM. Under Win2K/XP, you could run MS-DOS applications in a console. Windows provided NTVDM, which provided a DOS environment in a form of virtual machine. NTVDM would spawn a copy of COMMAND.COM to run the DOS app, and provide an emulated DOS environment. Shell out of the DOS app and you were in 32 bit Windows, talking to CMD.EXE. Win Vista/7/8 cannot normally run MS-DOS applications. DOS apps are 16 bit programs, and 16 bit apps are not supported under 64 bit Windows. You must either run a 32 bit Windows version (and there is a 32 bit Win7 version, but none for Win 8), or you run a virtual machine like VMWare, VirtualBox, or MS's own virtual machine. MS has an XP Mode image that can be run in it's VM under Win7, but you must be running at least the Pro version to get and use it. Without knowing what the kid is trying to do, it's hard to make further comments, but it sounds like he might not really need DOS - just a console with a command line. > Kare __ Dennis -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] very quick freedos question?
Thanks Chris, others. The kid is actually now investigating just using the dos command shell under windows 7 for the job. I have no idea how complete that shell is, I do not use windows. still it may be simpler than either an emulator or a completely different dos animal. He is doing a code writing assignment for school, not really learning to use dos. Also I am told he does have a working cd /DVD drive in that laptop, so just burning the image to that format should he try freedos would work too. Kare On Sat, 13 Sep 2014, Christopher Evans wrote: > Rufus in Windows can write an iso to usb stick so yeah you can make a > bootable usb drive version of the freedos disc image. > > -- > -chris > Computer Consultant & Repair Tech > Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) > http://digitalatoll.com/ > http://tawhakisoft.com/ > Cell: 916-612-6904 > Digitalatoll Social Network > http://digitalatoll.com/web/social_net/ > Webpage, Email, Cloud FTP Hosting, Custom programming, Computer Repair, > Network security, Media Conversion, Data Recovery > > > On Sep 12, 2014 1:02 PM, "Karen Lewellen" wrote: > >> Hi, >> want to keep this simple as it does not relate to my own computer needs. >> I have only two questions. >> first, am I correct that one can boot freedos from a USB stick? Say with >> an off the shelf sort of laptop? >> second, am I correct that if one burns the latest copy of freedos to a cd >> or dvd, one can accomplish the same thing? as in insert the live disk and >> boot from it? >> Thanks in advance, >> Kare >> >> >> -- >> Want excitement? >> Manually upgrade your production database. >> When you want reliability, choose Perforce >> Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] very quick freedos question?
Rufus in Windows can write an iso to usb stick so yeah you can make a bootable usb drive version of the freedos disc image. -- -chris Computer Consultant & Repair Tech Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) http://digitalatoll.com/ http://tawhakisoft.com/ Cell: 916-612-6904 Digitalatoll Social Network http://digitalatoll.com/web/social_net/ Webpage, Email, Cloud FTP Hosting, Custom programming, Computer Repair, Network security, Media Conversion, Data Recovery On Sep 12, 2014 1:02 PM, "Karen Lewellen" wrote: > Hi, > want to keep this simple as it does not relate to my own computer needs. > I have only two questions. > first, am I correct that one can boot freedos from a USB stick? Say with > an off the shelf sort of laptop? > second, am I correct that if one burns the latest copy of freedos to a cd > or dvd, one can accomplish the same thing? as in insert the live disk and > boot from it? > Thanks in advance, > Kare > > > -- > Want excitement? > Manually upgrade your production database. > When you want reliability, choose Perforce > Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
