Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Hi Norbert, The network client isn't loaded high at all. OK. And if you use umbpci everything works fine on all machines in our network. Yes, that's my experience too. So, there must be some functionality in emm386 that is this different compared to umbpci that some machines do not like. Hehe, some functionality - it's completely different! And that is why I would like to send this bootdisk to Michael to examine what is wrong. Great, but are you sure it's ONLY the network card? How do you know it's not a more fundamental problem that only reveals itself when you start to stress the system? Which IFSHLP.SYS are you using? -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
About WASM: I have found it to be to a degree compatible with TASM; so much so in fact that it can generally assemble the output of tcc -S in Turbo C 2.01. On 8/22/06, Gerry Hickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Norbert, The network client isn't loaded high at all. OK. And if you use umbpci everything works fine on all machines in our network. Yes, that's my experience too. So, there must be some functionality in emm386 that is this different compared to umbpci that some machines do not like. Hehe, some functionality - it's completely different! And that is why I would like to send this bootdisk to Michael to examine what is wrong. Great, but are you sure it's ONLY the network card? How do you know it's not a more fundamental problem that only reveals itself when you start to stress the system? Which IFSHLP.SYS are you using? -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Hello Norbert, But there are still some systems, where the machine completely stops responding when initializing the network. some network clients don't work if loaded into UMB memory; they also don't work with MSDOS emm386 So, for your testing I applied for a fully functional test version of Symantec Ghost 7.5 corporate edition and got the license key for 30 days test case on Friday. I hope I will manage to apply this license to the ghost.exe today to give you a copy of my ghost network bootdisk. Just wondering: does Symantec Ghost 7.5 corporate edition really come with a freedos bootdisk ? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
But there are still some systems, where the machine completely stops responding when initializing the network. some network clients don't work if loaded into UMB memory; they also don't work with MSDOS emm386 The network client isn't loaded high at all. And if you use umbpci everything works fine on all machines in our network. So, there must be some functionality in emm386 that is this different compared to umbpci that some machines do not like. And that is why I would like to send this bootdisk to Michael to examine what is wrong. So, for your testing I applied for a fully functional test version of Symantec Ghost 7.5 corporate edition and got the license key for 30 days test case on Friday. I hope I will manage to apply this license to the ghost.exe today to give you a copy of my ghost network bootdisk. Just wondering: does Symantec Ghost 7.5 corporate edition really come with a freedos bootdisk ? Symantec Ghost itself does not come with a freedos bootdisk. Original pcdos is used by symantec. Because pcdos and msdos kernels and applications are too big for a floppy I use freedos for this which fits on one dmf2 floppy including network client and ghost. And I think Michael will do the last steps to make it run with his memory management instead of umbpci which does not work on two of our machines due to an unrecognized chipset. Norbert. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Hello Norbert, But there are still some systems, where the machine completely stops responding when initializing the network. some network clients don't work if loaded into UMB memory; they also don't work with MSDOS emm386 The network client isn't loaded high at all. And if you use umbpci everything works fine on all machines in our network. So, there must be some functionality in emm386 that is this different compared to umbpci that some machines do not like. And that is why I would like to send this bootdisk to Michael to examine what is wrong. this is in my experience network card related. what card are you using ? You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to Michael Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards, Tom Ehlert +49-241-79886 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Hi all, But there are still some systems, where the machine completely stops responding when initializing the network. some network clients don't work if loaded into UMB memory; they also don't work with MSDOS emm386 The network client isn't loaded high at all. And if you use umbpci everything works fine on all machines in our network. So, there must be some functionality in emm386 that is this different compared to umbpci that some machines do not like. And that is why I would like to send this bootdisk to Michael to examine what is wrong. this is in my experience network card related. No, it isn't. It must also be bios related, since e.g. a 3COM 905B/C PCI Adapter works on one machine while on another it does not. You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to Michael I really would like to do but my boss would cut my head off if I would do so as you surely can imagine ;-) Norbert. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Norbert Remmel schrieb: You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to Michael I really would like to do but my boss would cut my head off if I would do so as you surely can imagine ;-) That's just another way to solve the problem :D SCNR ;) Best regards, Andre - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
Hi! 21-Авг-2006 18:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre Tertling) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to I really would like to do but my boss would cut my head off if I would AT That's just another way to solve the problem :D AT SCNR ;) What is SCNR? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to I really would like to do but my boss would cut my head off if I would AT That's just another way to solve the problem :D AT SCNR ;) What is SCNR? Don't know either. But he is right... Cutting my head off would really solve the problem. :-) BTW. Who will go on developping himem/emm386? Is it really true Michael is stopping his memory management application for freedos? :-( Unbelievable! Norbert. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
At 06:50 PM 8/21/2006 +0200, Norbert Remmel wrote: You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to I really would like to do but my boss would cut my head off if I would AT That's just another way to solve the problem :D AT SCNR ;) What is SCNR? Don't know either. But he is right... Cutting my head off would really solve the problem. :-) BTW. Who will go on developping himem/emm386? Is it really true Michael is stopping his memory management application for freedos? :-( Well, first of all it isn't my application, it has many other hands in it, at least some of them still active. Second, I've finished up the feature set I'm interested in and am tired of working on it. That's the kiss of death for programming progress, since the maintainer needs to keep active and interested for success. (The gap appears to be getting filled, so that may be excellent news). Third, the last 2.x version of EMM386 is quite stable for most tested environments I know of, although I know your's is still having problems. I try to never leave people who depend on my work hanging. So even if I'm off list soon, if you continue to have problems with EMM386 that I can help with and -- the big if -- if I can duplicate the problem, I'll see what I can do about fixing it and e-mailing the fixes back to a few of the people here. Someone will have to take over integrating the revisions for public consumption, but that too, I think can be handled by people here without too much stress and complexity. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
At 09:37 AM 8/21/2006 +0200, Norbert Remmel wrote: During testing I discovered a bug concerning STR-ALT-DEL usage. When pressing these keys, freedos crashes with invalid opcode outputting some memory addresses and registers. As I remember this wasn't like this using earlier versions of himem/emm386 but I didn't test so far. Okay, here's where we have a fundamental conflict. It's also causing problems with FDAPM and WARMBOOT options, perhaps other FDAPM options. It is the difference between ALTBOOT and NOALTBOOT options in EMM386. ALTBOOT was the default prior to 2.25 for a while, and NOALTBOOT is the new default, and was the original default when EMM386 was first written up to an unknown version. The problem is that EMM386 no longer hooks and processes the keyboard keys by default to try and force a proper reboot through direct keyboard port access. It leaves things to the default ROM/BIOS reboot code. The keyboard hook happens when ALTBOOT option is active. Some environments and applications can have the machine state set so that a normal ROM/BIOS reboot doesn't work, which is why there is such a thing as ALTBOOT. Unfortunately, a lot of things fail to work, or fail to work correctly if ALTBOOT is active, which is why it was changed to not the default setting in 2.25. Here's a breakdown of the pros and cons: ALTBOOT active positives: All FDAPM options related to rebooting and power-off should work. Some applications may not properly reboot when you press Ctrl-Alt-Del if ALTBOOT is not present. ALTBOOT active negatives: Qemu has an almost unusable keyboard due to frequent loss of status keys, plus missing and doubled keys. VMware is reported to have keyboard or other failure. Ensemble with GEOS will simply lockup during start if ALTBOOT is active -- GEOS doesn't like things hooking and messing with the keyboard interrupt. There are reports from other users that there are additional applications which do not like the keyboard hooked and (pre-)processed this way, but I don't know the exact applications. So here's where we're at: I can either make some environments work properly (or at all) by leaving ALTBOOT as optional as in version 2.25. That means those who are having problems with FDAPM or Ctrl-Alt-Del need to specify ALTBOOT as an option with EMM386. OR, I can switch ALTBOOT back as the default, and Qemu, VMware, and Ensemble users will have to know to specify the option to make their machines work properly. It's not an easy decision, but personally, I think we're better off getting people booted up and running properly as a default (NOALTBOOT), and then telling them if they have problems with FDAPM or Ctrl-Alt-Del to specify ALTBOOT as an EMM386 option. But maybe I'm wrong, if someone can convince me otherwise. Obviously the best solution would be for everything to work under one option, but I don't see that happening unless someone can come up with a good workaround really soon (I wouldn't count on this, but it could happen). Even MS-DOS EMM386 does not use its own ALTBOOT by default, but warns that it may be necessary or desirable for some environments. [technical follow-ups to freedos-devel] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compatibility EMM386/HIMEM 2.25 New Release
At 09:37 AM 8/21/2006 +0200, Norbert Remmel wrote: During testing I discovered a bug concerning STR-ALT-DEL usage. When pressing these keys, freedos crashes with invalid opcode outputting some memory addresses and registers. Eric made a change suggestion which seems to clear up the problem with FDAPM and some options and the default NOALTBOOT of EMM386. If we're lucky, it will clear up your Ctrl-Alt-Del problem, too, otherwise you may need to use the ALTBOOT option. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
