Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-02-01 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:15 AM, lee jones  wrote:
>
> Firstly ages ago there was an emulator called tosbox which is an atari
> ST emulator.

I was never familiar with Atari computers, so my dabbling in emulators
was very limited.

> It runs in dos but has two intresting features - firstly
> from what I remember it can access dos files directly (so they show
> up) but it also ran quickly on old hardware -- even an old pentium 75
> could run it quickly.

Supposedly Gemulator could run full speed on a 486 in 1992! Darek
Mihocka released the sources for GEMCE900.ZIP a few years ago, and
while I'm not 100% sure, I think? it still has the DOS bits (Classic
version). This might also have his (DOS-hosted) PC Xformer (Atari
8-bit emulator) sources. (An old message of mine on BTTR says it needs
MASM and MS VC v6, not that I have those or ever tried rebuilding.)

http://www.emulators.com/download.htm

> Though it does need an atari st rom file

Again, I'm not that familiar with all the Atari machines, but I think
there are various free (even libre) replacements out there. Perhaps
Aranym has links to the proper ones (AFROS?):

http://aranym.sourceforge.net/

> Development has long since stopped but I found a copy of the emulator
> here --

Yeah, Zophar's Domain had a lot of good stuff in years past (although
emulation has gotten more mainstream since then).

> Last one while I think of it and I guess it really isn't quite the
> right thing but there used to be an emulator (which again ran fairly
> quickly) called "executor" which could run old 68k mac apps. Though
> strangely it did not require the mac system disks, and neither did it
> need a mac rom image -!

Right, it was DJGPP-built and just emulated some partial bits of Mac
OS, not requiring the (unavailable, proprietary) ROM at all. IIRC, I
only used it a few times (years and years ago), and the demo was
limited to like ten minutes. All I weakly remember is some solitaire
card game.

> apparently executor development (according to wikipedia) ended in
> 2005, and in 2008 became open source. Still have a few linux sources
> as well;

I vaguely remember seeing this on Github or wherever. Here's a result
from a quick search (EDIT: Wikipedia links to Github and more):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28software%29

> (I did once try to compile these but with no luck).

The DOS version is probably not preferred anymore, in lieu of newer
OSes. Besides, the Github page implies that some crucial (DOS) libs
needed aren't open source. I don't think there's much motivation to
(re)port to DOS.

> Thats all I can think of!

Thanks for the tips.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-02-01 Thread Jim Hall 
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:15 AM, lee jones  wrote:

> On the subject of freedos and dos-bases gui's in general did a bit of
> thinking here. Managed to come up with 3 ideas though I am not sure
> how useful they might be as I guess they aren't really "dos shells" to
> be precise. But anway;
>
> Firstly ages ago there was an emulator called tosbox which is an atari
> ST emulator. It runs in dos but has two intresting features - firstly
> from what I remember it can access dos files directly (so they show
> up) but it also ran quickly on old hardware -- even an old pentium 75
> could run it quickly. Though it does need an atari st rom file.
> Development has long since stopped but I found a copy of the emulator
> here --



I didn't know about TOSBOX, it's an interesting idea. The original poster
asked about OpenGEM, but wasn't able to run it. GEM is the GUI for the
original TOS, so maybe this will be interesting to him.

For other GUIs, also try oZone or Qube or Seal. However, I don't know that
any of these are still under active development.

I remember graphical program managers with some fondness. The MS-DOS 5 DOS
Shell was actually quite nice and had some neat features (task swapping). I
don't know of any free software programs that do quite the same thing, but
I did like DESKTOP2. It was a graphical file manager and program manager.
Might be suitable for the original poster.


Last one while I think of it and I guess it really isn't quite the
> right thing but there used to be an emulator (which again ran fairly
> quickly) called "executor" which could run old 68k mac apps. Though
> strangely it did not require the mac system disks, and neither did it
> need a mac rom image -!
>
> Unfortunatly executor has long since dropped off the internet as has
> the company ardi which created it (and I think the company is possibly
> defunct nowadays, not sure). Though I managed to dig up a dos version
> of executor and uploaded it here:
> 
>

I'd completely forgotten about Executor. As you say, it was an older Mac
emulator, providing a virtual m68k CPU. The Executor package included its
own MacOS 6 virtual floppy (project's own development) so that was why it
didn't need separate Mac system image. It's described on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_(software)


Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-02-01 Thread lee jones 
On the subject of freedos and dos-bases gui's in general did a bit of
thinking here. Managed to come up with 3 ideas though I am not sure
how useful they might be as I guess they aren't really "dos shells" to
be precise. But anway;

Firstly ages ago there was an emulator called tosbox which is an atari
ST emulator. It runs in dos but has two intresting features - firstly
from what I remember it can access dos files directly (so they show
up) but it also ran quickly on old hardware -- even an old pentium 75
could run it quickly. Though it does need an atari st rom file.
Development has long since stopped but I found a copy of the emulator
here --

http://www.zophar.net/atarist/tosbox.html

Next one is a website I found which contains a "free" version of
windows. But by "free" I am meaning that it is a demo version. It is
also a very old version of windows, 3.0 . Other programs can run on it
apparently but only by modifiying a programs' exe header/descriptor
file (not sure how to do this) and inserting "DEMOAPP" in it
someplace.

Last one while I think of it and I guess it really isn't quite the
right thing but there used to be an emulator (which again ran fairly
quickly) called "executor" which could run old 68k mac apps. Though
strangely it did not require the mac system disks, and neither did it
need a mac rom image -!

Unfortunatly executor has long since dropped off the internet as has
the company ardi which created it (and I think the company is possibly
defunct nowadays, not sure). Though I managed to dig up a dos version
of executor and uploaded it here:

http://slothpuck.no-ip.org/executor/dos/execdos.zip

it will ask for a authentication key and serial number once run but
looking through the wayback engine/internet archive I found a
non-expiring key/ser. number here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120723153826/http://www.ardi.com/win_download.php

apparently executor development (according to wikipedia) ended in
2005, and in 2008 became open source. Still have a few linux sources
as well;

http://slothpuck.no-ip.org/executor/linux/

(I did once try to compile these but with no luck).

Thats all I can think of!

ljones

On 1/30/16, dmccunney  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
>> BTW, didn't Google Code kick the bucket? So it's no surprise you can't
>> reach it. It's dead, Jim.
>>
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
>>
>> "We will be shutting down the service about 10 months from now on
>> January 25th, 2016."
>>
>> P.S. But maybe they are still archiving some of it ("read-only"??) for
>> the near future:
>>
>> https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/
>
> That's essentially what happened.  The download link posted in Don
> Flowers' last message is still valid, and you can access the files.
>
> The Sourceforge site in G. Potthast's message appears to be the
> current repository for source, and seems to have copies of the
> binaries as well.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread Dennis Holierhoek 
When I visited the website a few days back, it was still reachable. But now it 
has a 404 error.


Van: Jose Antonio Senna <jasse...@vivointernetdiscada.com.br>
Verzonden: vrijdag 29 januari 2016 18:26
Aan: FreeDOS users
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

 On 2016-01-27 Don Flowers <donray7@gm... wrote:
> XFDOS is the best GUI i have use.
>https://code.google.com/archive/p/
> nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads

 I followed this link and all I got was a blank page.
 I don't know whether this is an issue with my browser
 or my location, but would you please tell if there is
 an ibiblio or Sourceforge link ?
 Regards
 JAS


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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread Jose Antonio Senna 
 On 2016-01-27 Don Flowers  XFDOS is the best GUI i have use.
>https://code.google.com/archive/p/
> nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads
  
 I followed this link and all I got was a blank page.
 I don't know whether this is an issue with my browser 
 or my location, but would you please tell if there is 
 an ibiblio or Sourceforge link ?
 Regards
 JAS


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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread Don Flowers 
Apparently my paste/copy was incomplete.
Try this:

https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads




On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Jose Antonio Senna <
jasse...@vivointernetdiscada.com.br> wrote:

>  On 2016-01-27 Don Flowers  > XFDOS is the best GUI i have use.
> >https://code.google.com/archive/p/
> > nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads
>
>  I followed this link and all I got was a blank page.
>  I don't know whether this is an issue with my browser
>  or my location, but would you please tell if there is
>  an ibiblio or Sourceforge link ?
>  Regards
>  JAS
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:01 PM, G. Potthast  wrote:
>
> Apart from the Google code site there is a Sourceforge site for XFDOS:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/

Ah, you beat me to it! I was just going to mention it.   :-)

BTW, didn't Google Code kick the bucket? So it's no surprise you can't
reach it. It's dead, Jim.

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html

"We will be shutting down the service about 10 months from now on
January 25th, 2016."

P.S. But maybe they are still archiving some of it ("read-only"??) for
the near future:

https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread dmccunney 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> BTW, didn't Google Code kick the bucket? So it's no surprise you can't
> reach it. It's dead, Jim.
>
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
>
> "We will be shutting down the service about 10 months from now on
> January 25th, 2016."
>
> P.S. But maybe they are still archiving some of it ("read-only"??) for
> the near future:
>
> https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/

That's essentially what happened.  The download link posted in Don
Flowers' last message is still valid, and you can access the files.

The Sourceforge site in G. Potthast's message appears to be the
current repository for source, and seems to have copies of the
binaries as well.
__
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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-29 Thread G. Potthast 
Apart from the Google code site there is a Sourceforge site for XFDOS:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/

Georg

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[Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-27 Thread Skyler F 
I am using freedos on a Dell Pentium 4 laptop for programs that need DOS
and access to a serial port (and will not run on a virtual machine or
windows DOS)

I am having trouble getting openGEM working. I downloaded opengem and got a
lot of folders and zip files. I couldn't find any exe in the openGEM
folder, but I did find something in the freeGEM directory. I ran the setup,
and it asked me stuff about my graphics, and I was never able to get it up
and running.

Who knows about an easy to install basic GUI desktop  for freedos. I would
like one that supports a USB mouse and a graphics card that I don't know
and can be installed by a computer noob.

Thanks
Skyler
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Re: [Freedos-user] Easy GUI desktop enviroment install

2016-01-27 Thread Don Flowers 
XFDOS is the best GUI i have used.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads
USB mouse & keyboard works from BIOS and should not be an issue. If you
want "old school" opengem works fairly well as does Tandy Deskmate. For
opengem unzip using FreeDOS unzip and it should be ready to run the install
from there.

I have been experimenting with a "hybrid" Win 3.0 & Win 3.1 install & the
FreeDOS metakernel. But that is a story for another time. :^0.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Skyler F  wrote:

> I am using freedos on a Dell Pentium 4 laptop for programs that need DOS
> and access to a serial port (and will not run on a virtual machine or
> windows DOS)
>
> I am having trouble getting openGEM working. I downloaded opengem and got
> a lot of folders and zip files. I couldn't find any exe in the openGEM
> folder, but I did find something in the freeGEM directory. I ran the setup,
> and it asked me stuff about my graphics, and I was never able to get it up
> and running.
>
> Who knows about an easy to install basic GUI desktop  for freedos. I would
> like one that supports a USB mouse and a graphics card that I don't know
> and can be installed by a computer noob.
>
> Thanks
> Skyler
>
>
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