Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Is there a way I can complain about the reactos.org site and get them sanctioned? Tell Mr. Bush that ReactOS cooperates with AL-Qaeda :-D In the land of FreeDOS we have the following problems: +1: - People refusing to boot DOS (and leave Windaube) + too much virtualization crap -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
What have I ever said in the ReactOS community that calls for threatening me with prosecution? If nothing merits this, there is proof then that the ReactOS community is troubled and possibly that this trouble is as serious as I suggest. Judge not, that ye be not judged. IOW: don't spam this list with such nonsense! Since you are apparently a religious person: ask God to forgive the ReactOS people their sins. That's the appropriate answer. Have you never heard of the Sermon on the Mount? -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 08:42 +0200, japhethx gmail wrote: What have I ever said in the ReactOS community that calls for threatening me with prosecution? If nothing merits this, there is proof then that the ReactOS community is troubled and possibly that this trouble is as serious as I suggest. Judge not, that ye be not judged. IOW: don't spam this list with such nonsense! Since you are apparently a religious person: ask God to forgive the ReactOS people their sins. That's the appropriate answer. Have you never heard of the Sermon on the Mount? How does saying, if nothing merits prosecuting me, the ReactOS community is troubled, rise to the level of passing judgment on people? The argument is, the ReactOS community is troubled and you can clearly see this for yourself if you really want to. If we can't judge that there is discrimination, how can it ever be fought? Where in the sermon on the mount did Christ say, don't admonish the sinner? Christ didn't say, you are not to determine who your enemies are, but this is exactly what you seem to be reading into that sermon. Failing to admonish the sinner, refraining from doing so when it could be effective is itself a sin of omission. Unfortunately, no one person can effectively blow the whistle on the ReactOS community. It is going to take a lot of people speaking out and maybe even the collapse of the ReactOS foundation for real change to take hold. I hope whatever it takes to bring positive change that it happens and happens soon. I haven't spammed the Freedos list. Sorry Japeth, but ReactOS is an open source project just like Freedos where ReactOS is especially relevant to anyone who wants/needs a free Windows NT clone. That both projects involve open source software, the two communities of people can be looked at comparatively and it is reasonable to say that this community is functional while the ReactOS community simply isn't. Do you not know the seriousness of threatening to prosecute someone and have them thrown in jail if they ever attempt to communicate with you again? This is the threat I received from at least one person in the ReactOS community on the forums today. Whether or not there is any weight behind the threat matters, but it is a serious matter even if the threat is weak. What kind of open source project leader/moderator threatens strangers with prosecution for trying to use the forum and/or IRC channels? Political relations wise, this is unnecessary and highly inadvisable behavior. This is the sort of behavior that makes enemies. Wonder why there is a lack of participation in the ReactOS project? Stop wondering, the answer is obvious. -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Alerting us to the clashes in ReactOS serves to remind us of how good we have it here; the group is small and flare-ups are at a minimum. That being said, I don't think it is productive to keep making your case here; it is not a FreeDOS issue and it is not for us to judge who is right or wrong. Also, I don't think anybody is going to get on their IRC just to watch the fireworks. In the land of FreeDOS we have the following problems: - Hardware support on newer hardware - Improving the usefulness of our software in an age where expectations (and requirements) for software are so great - Growing (or at least holding) our users and staying relevant Regards, Mike -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Op 7-9-2011 22:51, Michael C. Robinson schreef: Windows, especially NT based Windows, is beyond the scope of Freedos. correct, with exception of 'how to make these operating systems work together on the same system, be it by dualbooting, adding to bootloaders, working in virtualisation/emulation products, etc Unfortunately, there have been suggestions to look at the ReactOS project. I think this transcript which needs to get out despite the rules details why the ReactOS project is a disaster that needs to be cleaned up. Anyone can work on an OSS project. Keyword here is anyone. Happily so yes. Not everyone's input is always appreciated, I admit. Building a good reputation before people consider one's opinion can be a daunting challenge. Please, someone go ahead and get the code, form another community, and continue development if this project is still worthwhile. That log reads like kindergarten. Surely ReactOS has a project coordinator you can mail this about. Supposedly, Linux+WINE is not a better way to go, but the way things are going in the ReactOS community, I'd have to say that it is a better way to go. They've got their own merits. Should ReactOS ever implement Windows's internals good enough, then all kinds of obscure drivers should work. Despite Linux's vast amount of hardware support, I bet more hardware works through Windows drivers. Is there a way I can complain about the reactos.org site and get them sanctioned? Taking the site down would be a good way to adjust attitudes in that community. Your disappointment ending up in censorship? No thanks. Their server, their rules (limited by common sense, reputations to consider, professionality at times, and whatever the law requires) Here is a transcript showing how bad ReactOS IRC has gotten: IRC isn't my favourite discussion method as it's single-line stuff instead of basing opinions and testcases on decent foundations like logic and arguments. Guest39028 Syllable being a different OS doesn't have to be directly compatible with Windows and better yet there are efforts to use portable programming languages like REBOL soon to be replaced with RED. Why develop ReactOS which has to mimic Windows? Ah the famous 'why develop Y when there's X, spend your resources there'. By that logic FreeDOS is obsolete as well. Nobody likes their pet project attacked/challenged. zwabbit you've started threads claiming that reactos' goal is pointless zwabbit you've started threads claiming that our development priorities are wrong Guest39028 Well, there hasn't been another release in a very long time. Guest39028 What, I don't think so. Besides, keeping a transcript of what is said on here is not allowed. hm what am I responding to right now.. http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=8270hilit=nutestart=30#p72593 zwabbit Alex_Ionescu: check out the last paragraph of that post * ChickeNES (~chicke...@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) has joined #reactos Alex_Ionescu wait?GuGuest39028 ?is nute?? zwabbit also, example of why we felt nute's continued participation was unhealthy to the project Please take up any issues with the project's coordinator. In case of ReactOS, likely it's Aleksey Bragin. For things FreeDOS-related, Jim Hall is the contact person. I'll admit bringing up religion on mailing lists generally isn't smart. Same for politics and other controversial subjects. -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Freedos has it's place. Unlike ReactOS, Freedos actually works most of the time. Partially due to the fact the Freedos is based on something that is far less complex of course. This is OT, but the relevance is that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows is wanted here. As far as don't talk about religion, politics, etcetera, I didn't intend to really. An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is political by nature though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly have their own troublesome politics. More troubling, I was threatened with arrest if I get on the ReactOS forums or IRC channel using a different name. For an open source project, it seems to me that the developers and moderators are trying to exert a lot of control over people. Professionalism is completely alien to the ReactOS community as far as I can tell, this is unfortunate and it is why I am recommending the formation of a new community to take over the project. Concerning sanction, that could shape up the current developers. There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera. I honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis. Saying it is open source, it cannot be censored for this reason, is dangerous. On this mailing list, talk like that seen on ReactOS IRC is not allowed. The people talking like misbehaved children, not the victims, would be banned from this list. Freedos is a great system for running orphanware and it is a great system for someone who needs to learn about operating systems. I hope dosbox is something that will work in Syllable. -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera. I honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis. This comes across as just a bit over-the-top (and poor spelling as well...). Fascist, Communist, Socialist, etc., these are people who will systematically murder, or at best callously allow the deaths of, millions of human beings in pursuit of their vision of a perfect world. To say that, these people must be Nazis 'cause they were mean to me, shows a total lack of comprehension of what Nazis were and what they did to people. Just being rude and offensive does not make someone a Nazi. Get a grip... On 9/7/11, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: Freedos has it's place. Unlike ReactOS, Freedos actually works most of the time. Partially due to the fact the Freedos is based on something that is far less complex of course. This is OT, but the relevance is that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows is wanted here. As far as don't talk about religion, politics, etcetera, I didn't intend to really. An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is political by nature though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly have their own troublesome politics. More troubling, I was threatened with arrest if I get on the ReactOS forums or IRC channel using a different name. For an open source project, it seems to me that the developers and moderators are trying to exert a lot of control over people. Professionalism is completely alien to the ReactOS community as far as I can tell, this is unfortunate and it is why I am recommending the formation of a new community to take over the project. Concerning sanction, that could shape up the current developers. There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera. I honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis. Saying it is open source, it cannot be censored for this reason, is dangerous. On this mailing list, talk like that seen on ReactOS IRC is not allowed. The people talking like misbehaved children, not the victims, would be banned from this list. Freedos is a great system for running orphanware and it is a great system for someone who needs to learn about operating systems. I hope dosbox is something that will work in Syllable. -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
ReactOS ha one more problem, they must to avoid a lawsuit against microsoft, they must to know who is the contributor, they need to know that contributor have not access to microsoft's source code. El 07/09/2011 05:19 p.m., Michael C. Robinson escribió: Freedos has it's place. Unlike ReactOS, Freedos actually works most of the time. Partially due to the fact the Freedos is based on something that is far less complex of course. This is OT, but the relevance is that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows is wanted here. As far as don't talk about religion, politics, etcetera, I didn't intend to really. An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is political by nature though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly have their own troublesome politics. More troubling, I was threatened with arrest if I get on the ReactOS forums or IRC channel using a different name. For an open source project, it seems to me that the developers and moderators are trying to exert a lot of control over people. Professionalism is completely alien to the ReactOS community as far as I can tell, this is unfortunate and it is why I am recommending the formation of a new community to take over the project. Concerning sanction, that could shape up the current developers. There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera. I honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis. Saying it is open source, it cannot be censored for this reason, is dangerous. On this mailing list, talk like that seen on ReactOS IRC is not allowed. The people talking like misbehaved children, not the victims, would be banned from this list. Freedos is a great system for running orphanware and it is a great system for someone who needs to learn about operating systems. I hope dosbox is something that will work in Syllable. -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 20:27 -0500, mcelha...@usnetizen.com wrote: There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera. I honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis. This comes across as just a bit over-the-top (and poor spelling as well...). Fascist, Communist, Socialist, etc., these are people who will systematically murder, or at best callously allow the deaths of, millions of human beings in pursuit of their vision of a perfect world. To say that, these people must be Nazis 'cause they were mean to me, shows a total lack of comprehension of what Nazis were and what they did to people. Just being rude and offensive does not make someone a Nazi. Get a grip... Do a little research on these people before telling me to get a grip. There is some serious anti religiosity in the ReactOS community where you don't have to look very deep to find it. Nazis were political ideologues who were also fiercely anti religious and totally racist. They were at the extreme of having no respect whatsoever for religiosity in others. Hitler was a dictator and the Nazis were proud of this. It isn't just that people in the ReactOS community were mean to me once, there has been a pattern of cruelty going on over the course of a number of years, possibly a decade. Get drawn into a religious discussion or something similar on the ReactOS IRC channel, expect to get kicked out. Threatening me with prosecution and prison time on the forums though is recent, new, and arguably quite over the top. Someone should call up short people in the ReactOS community who are going too far. Suggesting that I don't have a history of trouble with the ReactOS community without looking into what has happened yourself is disingenuous. There is a difference between heated discussions and discussions laced with hatred. Search the ReactOS forums for nute as well as zimbra. You will see that I have followed ReactOS for a long time and that things have been getting worse, not better, over time for me. I think there is a lot of anti American prejudice in general in the ReactOS community, many of these people are German. I have experienced anti American sentiment from my own German brother-in-law who my sister finally called up short. Not all Germans have an anti American mindset. I'm sure there are people posting on the ReactOS boards that aren't anti American, or at least I hope there are. I am reporting to one open source community that is functional what is going on in another open source community that is not in hopes that something positive will happen. The ReactOS community is the only dysfunctional open source community that I have ever dealt with. Sure, tell me I have no idea what fascism is and dismiss my complaining complete with a transcript to back it up. I'm not a criminal, nor will I profit in any way if the ReactOS project fails. What have I ever said in the ReactOS community that calls for threatening me with prosecution? If nothing merits this, there is proof then that the ReactOS community is troubled and possibly that this trouble is as serious as I suggest. -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
