Re: [FRIAM] Twitter: worth the effort!

2015-01-16 Thread Arlo Barnes 
Why, because it offers you twice-indirected stories? I think that is less
an argument why it is 'worth the effort', and more an argument for why it
allows you not to put in the effort. You could just as easily browse Reddit
and have seen the screencapped comment
,
or you could have even just read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,
because although this happened to Adams, he also had his character Arthur
Dent tell it as his own story to his then-girlfriend Fenchurch.
-Arlo James Barnes

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[FRIAM] Twitter: worth the effort!

2015-01-16 Thread Owen Densmore 
 Bill Budge  retweeted
*Justine Tunney* ‏@JustineTunney   Jan 14


This is what it means to be English.
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Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky 
Marcus or to Steve,

Damn Good Call. 

If you would not have uttered such a comment
I would not now have such a headache.
The threads have become confusing with everyone cutting and pasting chunks
with unclear attributions.
( could we get coloured highlights ?)
You have the advantage of seeing each other once in a while, I am blind
metaphorically . I plan on renewing my passport and attempting to travel
again. If it is cold I can Go.

So it is not simply the issue of distinct threads but also the appearance of
different view points.
A viewpoint does not prove a point no matter how much we wish to appear
clever. No matter how many "Likes " you get , you are never going to be
assured of truth. 
No matter how often you run an experiment and achieve results either way you
will always be trapped in some inductive bubble.

Look now to the possibility that many view points may break the inductive /
recursion trap that infinite repetition could not.
The viewpoints act to increase the number of dimensions open to  examination
not the precise static resolution adequate for measurement.
Imagine video versus still photography and then just add a dash of
TimeLapse and HyperLapse  or Lemon , into the mixture and you now have such
a complex situation that , I get headaches. I am at a loss for language.

No one ever really wins arguments that may explain why we believe, our own
lies, first, when we speak them out loud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNwWOul4i9Y&sns=em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ky6vgQfU24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKppuqN04Kc

These three videos all show the earth from different viewpoints some from
many points. Each appears  to be  a medium for  a specific audience or
messages. Truth appears to span dimensions and it moves about.

Beneath every set of images lies another bigger reality. If we consider this
just for a few moments you would probably demand an explanation from me.

I don't have one yet, I won't pretend. I am also part of other networks and
get hit with strange stuff occasionally.
This net has the advantage of containing some very literate participants.
Very rare today.
vib

I wonder does this material belong to a new Zeitgeist ? 
Man and machine?



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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: January-16-15 3:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners
believe ...

On 1/16/15 12:59 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>> It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to 
>> bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of guardedness with which 
>> we were able to explore it given our diverse history.
> Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to 
> actually deliver all mails!
I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was the
first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy against
him alone... which I also feel sometimes...

On the other hand, I find that in-person, there are usually at least two
parallel "threads" and while I can survey multiples, I can't really
participate in more than one effectively without seeming entirely ADD.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels 

> I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was 
> the first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy 
> against him alone... which I also feel sometimes...

It is a wonderful outcome if two (hypothetical) agents with
diametrically opposed viewpoints can both infer a conspiracy against
them.  A conspiracy that must originate from the other side!

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Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Steve Smith 

On 1/16/15 12:59 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to
bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of guardedness with which
we were able to explore it given our diverse history.

Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to
actually deliver all mails!
I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was 
the first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy 
against him alone... which I also feel sometimes...


On the other hand, I find that in-person, there are usually at least two 
parallel "threads" and while I can survey multiples, I can't really 
participate in more than one effectively without seeming entirely ADD.


Marcus




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Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Steve Smith 

  
  
Nick -
  
  Not to pick nits or split hairs but can you be more precise
  (including an example) of what you mean by psychological
  concepts?  I'm a big fan of Lakoff and his theories of Embedded
  Cognition, and following his lead would be more tempted to use the
  term "metaphor", as I tend to think of "psychological concepts" as
  "concepts introduced into the vernacular by the discipline of
  psychology"  which I think is way off base if for no other reason
  than it it is way up the stack of layered metaphors. I suspect
  that wasn't what you meant.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embodied_cognition


  
  
  
  
Steve,

 
I
was, actually.  It was a great conversation.  It began with
one of my favorite things which is taking seriously the fact
that when physicists talk about particle behavior they often
have recourse to psychological concepts.  My position is
that, far from being a facon de parler pour
  communiquer avec des idiots,
using psychological concepts in such a context is a precise
way of talking about electrons if one understands
psychological concepts properly.  We quickly
metamorphosed into a discussion of the plusses and minuses
of multi-culturalism.  It was wonderful the range of
personal experience we were able to bring to bear on this
subject  and the lack of guardedness with which we were able
to explore it given our diverse history.   Still, I wish you
(and roger) had been there. 
 
It
was the BEST.  
 
Nick

 

  Nicholas
  S. Thompson
  Emeritus
  Professor of Psychology and Biology
  Clark
  University
  http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

  
From:
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
  Of Steve Smith
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:32 AM
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Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose
practitioners believe ...
  

 

  On 1/16/15 8:46 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:


  Wow,
  Roger!
   
  So,
  Philosophy is a field is one about which people believe
  that that “raw talent’  is necessary as opposed, say, to
  careful technique and diligent hard work.  
   
  I
  have been a philosophy camp follower for years and I NEVER
  would have said that.   Much as I love philosophy and have
  gotten benefit from philosophers, the one philosophy
  conference I went to was the worst collection of arrogant
  snots I have ever stood in a room with.  Seemed like a
  field in which “positioning” is EVERYTHING. 
   
  Come
  to FRIAM to talk talk about it. 

what with all those arrogant snots?
  
  I had a great convo with Wimberly at WedTech yesterday (which
  I also never make)...  but Friday's and Town and I hardly ever
  make all together in the same time and place...
  
  I'm sure you are having a great time as I type this.
  
  

   
  N
   
  Nicholas
  S. Thompson
  Emeritus
  Professor of Psychology and Biology
  Clark
  University
  http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
   
  From:
  Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]
  On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:53 PM
  To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
  Group
  Subject: [FRIAM] academic fields whose
  practitioners believe ...
   
  
Great article in Science this week: 

   
  
  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6219/262.short

   


  The more the practitioners of an
academic field agree that "Being a top scholar of


  [discipline] requires a special
aptitude that just can’t be taught",  the less
successful women and african americans are in the
field, as measured by the percentage of PhD's

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels 

> It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to
> bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of guardedness with which
> we were able to explore it given our diverse history. 

Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to
actually deliver all mails!

Marcus




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Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Nick Thompson 
Steve, 

 

I was, actually.  It was a great conversation.  It began with one of my
favorite things which is taking seriously the fact that when physicists talk
about particle behavior they often have recourse to psychological concepts.
My position is that, far from being a facon de parler pour communiquer avec
des idiots, using psychological concepts in such a context is a precise way
of talking about electrons if one understands psychological concepts
properly.  We quickly metamorphosed into a discussion of the plusses and
minuses of multi-culturalism.  It was wonderful the range of personal
experience we were able to bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of
guardedness with which we were able to explore it given our diverse history.
Still, I wish you (and roger) had been there. 

 

It was the BEST.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

 

On 1/16/15 8:46 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:

Wow, Roger!

 

So, Philosophy is a field is one about which people believe that that "raw
talent'  is necessary as opposed, say, to careful technique and diligent
hard work.  

 

I have been a philosophy camp follower for years and I NEVER would have said
that.   Much as I love philosophy and have gotten benefit from philosophers,
the one philosophy conference I went to was the worst collection of arrogant
snots I have ever stood in a room with.  Seemed like a field in which
"positioning" is EVERYTHING. 

 

Come to FRIAM to talk talk about it. 

what with all those arrogant snots?

I had a great convo with Wimberly at WedTech yesterday (which I also never
make)...  but Friday's and Town and I hardly ever make all together in the
same time and place...

I'm sure you are having a great time as I type this.



 

N

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

 

Great article in Science this week: 

 

  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6219/262.short

 

The more the practitioners of an academic field agree that "Being a top
scholar of

[discipline] requires a special aptitude that just can't be taught",  the
less successful women and african americans are in the field, as measured by
the percentage of PhD's graduated.  Measured across all disciplines and in
competition with three other hypotheses.

 

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Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Steve Smith 

  
  
On 1/16/15 8:46 AM, Nick Thompson
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Wow,
Roger!
 
So,
Philosophy is a field is one about which people believe that
that “raw talent’  is necessary as opposed, say, to careful
technique and diligent hard work.  
 
I
have been a philosophy camp follower for years and I NEVER
would have said that.   Much as I love philosophy and have
gotten benefit from philosophers, the one philosophy
conference I went to was the worst collection of arrogant
snots I have ever stood in a room with.  Seemed like a field
in which “positioning” is EVERYTHING. 
 
Come
to FRIAM to talk talk about it. 
  

what with all those arrogant snots?

I had a great convo with Wimberly at WedTech yesterday (which I also
never make)...  but Friday's and Town and I hardly ever make all
together in the same time and place...

I'm sure you are having a great time as I type this.

  

 
N
 
Nicholas
S. Thompson
Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark
University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 
From:
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Critchlow
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group
Subject: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners
believe ...
 

  Great article in Science this week: 
  
 

    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6219/262.short
  
 
  
  
The more the practitioners of an
  academic field agree that "Being a top scholar of
  
  
[discipline] requires a special
  aptitude that just can’t be taught",  the less
  successful women and african americans are in the
  field, as measured by the percentage of PhD's
  graduated.  Measured across all disciplines and in
  competition with three other hypotheses.
  

  
  
 
  
  
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Re: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Nick Thompson 
Wow, Roger!

 

So, Philosophy is a field is one about which people believe that that “raw 
talent’  is necessary as opposed, say, to careful technique and diligent hard 
work.  

 

I have been a philosophy camp follower for years and I NEVER would have said 
that.   Much as I love philosophy and have gotten benefit from philosophers, 
the one philosophy conference I went to was the worst collection of arrogant 
snots I have ever stood in a room with.  Seemed like a field in which 
“positioning” is EVERYTHING. 

 

Come to FRIAM to talk talk about it. 

 

N

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

  
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

 

Great article in Science this week: 

 

  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6219/262.short

 

The more the practitioners of an academic field agree that "Being a top scholar 
of

[discipline] requires a special aptitude that just can’t be taught",  the less 
successful women and african americans are in the field, as measured by the 
percentage of PhD's graduated.  Measured across all disciplines and in 
competition with three other hypotheses.

 

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