Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Steve Smith]

Marcus -

Well phrased.  I would add that exploration provides the (informational) 
resources necessary for exploitation, and exploitation (of extant 
resources) supports more exploration... This is the language of 
"progress" which some of us might suggest is both inevitable/necessary, 
yet *might* needs be self-regulated/modulated to avoid the 
unenelightened self-interest failure-mode of unintended consequence.  
"Manifest Destiny" means something entirely different to Daniel Boone, 
Ulysses S. Grant, and Kit Carson than to most Native Americans, for example.


It was recently pointed out to me by a friend, (referencing points made 
in Chris Hedges' _War is the Force that gives us Meaning_) that the US 
Civil War never came to any actual reconciliation  and that without a 
collective reconciliation (capitulation is not sufficient), there is no 
peace... the war may go cold/underground, but it is not the same as 
peace.   Rawanda, South Africa, post WWII Germany and Japan seem to have 
achieved that to some degree the Middle East, the Balkans, Southeast 
Asia, and the US Civil War did not have that benefit, the wars just go 
underground and/or into civil/economic society.  And apparently cold-war 
Russia V NATO is being relitigated (through violence).


I also recently learned a bit about the Holodomor 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor> which really reframes (for the 
yet-worse) what Putin is up  to (echoing Stalin) in Ukraine.  I can't 
believe I wasn't (made?) aware of this back when it all came to a head 
with their invasion.


- Steve

On 11/8/22 10:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Steve writes:

< The one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and politics has been 
flirting with for millenia now seems like an inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode of 
complexity/diversity will emerge.   It isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" 
phase if you are one of the entities which evolved in the context of the leadup differentiation 
phase. >

I think of secular globalism as more of platform for the next fresh mode of 
complexity to emerge.   The words I use (I think for the same thing) are 
exploration vs. exploitation, which roughly correspond to the union and the 
confederacy and their modern equivalents.

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2022 8:18 AM
To:friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

I think that throwing one's weight (wealth) around indiscriminately (without regard to 
obvious collateral damage) is an evil no less judge-able than other "sins of 
omission".   It may be more *structural* or *systemic* evil than *personal* in the 
sense that *being a
billionaire* is a setup for out-of-scale (ir)responsibility.  Trump may not be 
technically a billionaire any longer (unless you allow for billions in debt) if 
he ever was, but his cult-figure status translates into a much larger 
bull-in-china-shop presence than mere wealth.

If Musk's Twitter-buy makes any sense it is in the interplay of wealth, influence, ego and the 
erratic bull-in-china-shop application of wealth is clearly translating into a ego/influence boost 
*inside* the cult-of-Elon and it's collateral mutally-supporting vortices-of-ego (Trump, Putin, 
Thiel, Musk, Rogan, etc.) which just pumps more energy into the "chaos" (scare quotes 
intended).   I'm sure they believe that they are doing the proverbial "millions of dollars 
worth of improvement"
attributed to tornado-systems when they tear through a 50's era mobile-home 
park.   And within their logic system maybe it is literally true.

Regarding unipolar/multipolar/globalist/diversity arguments, the growth of complex adaptive systems 
includes the pattern of differentiation and re-integration at each level of complexity. The 
one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and politics has been flirting 
with for millenia now seems like an inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode of 
complexity/diversity will emerge.   It isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" 
phase if you are one of the entities which evolved in the context of the leadup differentiation 
phase. It is not un-natural for sub-entities to be more and/or less "ready" to give over 
to or accept the next phase that implicitly undermines much of what makes it unique 
(differentiated).

It is complicated to try to span these levels of organizaiton, and in fact, possibly 
impossible?  Is it possible for an entity at one level of scale/complexity to survive (be 
expansion) to embrace the next level (whatever levels actually mean in this context - nod 
to Glen's discussion/distrust around "levels")?   Seems like not... even 
attempting to describe that transcending from my *level* is probably an illusion.

On 11/8/22 5:26 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote:

Nichols' argument rings a little true w

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Gillian Densmore]

We forgot: (thing or trend) getting #cancled.
And Poodlesec, and LulSec's favorite pastime: DDoS'ed and Doxed.
Carry on.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> Steve writes:
>
> < The one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and
> politics has been flirting with for millenia now seems like an inevitable
> happening upon which a fresh mode of complexity/diversity will emerge.   It
> isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" phase if you are one of the
> entities which evolved in the context of the leadup differentiation phase. >
>
> I think of secular globalism as more of platform for the next fresh mode
> of complexity to emerge.   The words I use (I think for the same thing) are
> exploration vs. exploitation, which roughly correspond to the union and the
> confederacy and their modern equivalents.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2022 8:18 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...
>
> I think that throwing one's weight (wealth) around indiscriminately
> (without regard to obvious collateral damage) is an evil no less judge-able
> than other "sins of omission".   It may be more *structural* or *systemic*
> evil than *personal* in the sense that *being a
> billionaire* is a setup for out-of-scale (ir)responsibility.  Trump may
> not be technically a billionaire any longer (unless you allow for billions
> in debt) if he ever was, but his cult-figure status translates into a much
> larger bull-in-china-shop presence than mere wealth.
>
> If Musk's Twitter-buy makes any sense it is in the interplay of wealth,
> influence, ego and the erratic bull-in-china-shop application of wealth is
> clearly translating into a ego/influence boost *inside* the cult-of-Elon
> and it's collateral mutally-supporting vortices-of-ego (Trump, Putin,
> Thiel, Musk, Rogan, etc.) which just pumps more energy into the "chaos"
> (scare quotes intended).   I'm sure they believe that they are doing the
> proverbial "millions of dollars worth of improvement"
> attributed to tornado-systems when they tear through a 50's era
> mobile-home park.   And within their logic system maybe it is literally
> true.
>
> Regarding unipolar/multipolar/globalist/diversity arguments, the growth of
> complex adaptive systems includes the pattern of differentiation and
> re-integration at each level of complexity. The one-world-order/globalism
> that multinational industry, religion, and politics has been flirting with
> for millenia now seems like an inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode
> of complexity/diversity will emerge.   It isn't un-motivated to resist the
> "integration" phase if you are one of the entities which evolved in the
> context of the leadup differentiation phase. It is not un-natural for
> sub-entities to be more and/or less "ready" to give over to or accept the
> next phase that implicitly undermines much of what makes it unique
> (differentiated).
>
> It is complicated to try to span these levels of organizaiton, and in
> fact, possibly impossible?  Is it possible for an entity at one level of
> scale/complexity to survive (be expansion) to embrace the next level
> (whatever levels actually mean in this context - nod to Glen's
> discussion/distrust around "levels")?   Seems like not... even attempting
> to describe that transcending from my *level* is probably an illusion.
>
> On 11/8/22 5:26 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote:
> > Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much
> > with Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take:
> >
> > https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-un
> > less-its-part-of-something-bigger/
> >
> >
> > The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to
> > preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do
> > think the Dem establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting
> > Evil[⛧] Republicans just so they can preserve their Liberal World
> > Order, in a unipolar way. So for deeper thinkers like Thiel (and maybe
> > the Musk of a decade ago), the ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity
> > allows for better solutions than homogeny is reasonable. [∝]
> >
> > I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that
> > trolls on Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a
> > fish on the dock. They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of
> > course, people are large, full of contradictions. Only our robot
> > overlords will be able to act truly rational.
>

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Marcus Daniels]

Steve writes:

< The one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and 
politics has been flirting with for millenia now seems like an inevitable 
happening upon which a fresh mode of complexity/diversity will emerge.   It 
isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" phase if you are one of the 
entities which evolved in the context of the leadup differentiation phase. >

I think of secular globalism as more of platform for the next fresh mode of 
complexity to emerge.   The words I use (I think for the same thing) are 
exploration vs. exploitation, which roughly correspond to the union and the 
confederacy and their modern equivalents.

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2022 8:18 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

I think that throwing one's weight (wealth) around indiscriminately (without 
regard to obvious collateral damage) is an evil no less judge-able than other 
"sins of omission".   It may be more *structural* or *systemic* evil than 
*personal* in the sense that *being a
billionaire* is a setup for out-of-scale (ir)responsibility.  Trump may not be 
technically a billionaire any longer (unless you allow for billions in debt) if 
he ever was, but his cult-figure status translates into a much larger 
bull-in-china-shop presence than mere wealth.

If Musk's Twitter-buy makes any sense it is in the interplay of wealth, 
influence, ego and the erratic bull-in-china-shop application of wealth is 
clearly translating into a ego/influence boost *inside* the cult-of-Elon and 
it's collateral mutally-supporting vortices-of-ego (Trump, Putin, Thiel, Musk, 
Rogan, etc.) which just pumps more energy into the "chaos" (scare quotes 
intended).   I'm sure they believe that they are doing the proverbial "millions 
of dollars worth of improvement" 
attributed to tornado-systems when they tear through a 50's era mobile-home 
park.   And within their logic system maybe it is literally true.

Regarding unipolar/multipolar/globalist/diversity arguments, the growth of 
complex adaptive systems includes the pattern of differentiation and 
re-integration at each level of complexity. The one-world-order/globalism that 
multinational industry, religion, and politics has been flirting with for 
millenia now seems like an inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode of 
complexity/diversity will emerge.   It isn't un-motivated to resist the 
"integration" phase if you are one of the entities which evolved in the context 
of the leadup differentiation phase. It is not un-natural for sub-entities to 
be more and/or less "ready" to give over to or accept the next phase that 
implicitly undermines much of what makes it unique (differentiated).

It is complicated to try to span these levels of organizaiton, and in fact, 
possibly impossible?  Is it possible for an entity at one level of 
scale/complexity to survive (be expansion) to embrace the next level (whatever 
levels actually mean in this context - nod to Glen's discussion/distrust around 
"levels")?   Seems like not... even attempting to describe that transcending 
from my *level* is probably an illusion.

On 11/8/22 5:26 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote:
> Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much 
> with Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take:
>
> https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-un
> less-its-part-of-something-bigger/
>
>
> The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to 
> preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do 
> think the Dem establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting 
> Evil[⛧] Republicans just so they can preserve their Liberal World 
> Order, in a unipolar way. So for deeper thinkers like Thiel (and maybe 
> the Musk of a decade ago), the ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity 
> allows for better solutions than homogeny is reasonable. [∝]
>
> I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that 
> trolls on Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a 
> fish on the dock. They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of 
> course, people are large, full of contradictions. Only our robot 
> overlords will be able to act truly rational.
>
> [⛧] Capital "E" to indicate that the current batch is really too 
> stupid to be actually evil.
>
> [∝] Of course, this ignores the regime/freezing argument where a 
> unipolar "driver" for a given homeostatic state allows for finer 
> grained wiggling inside. Even if Thiel and ilk are thinking in this 
> "heterodox" way, they might be blind to the idea their upsetting the 
> cart will destroy their own fortunes as well ... beyond the veil of 
> ignorance.
>

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Steve Smith]

I think that throwing one's weight (wealth) around indiscriminately 
(without regard to obvious collateral damage) is an evil no less 
judge-able than other "sins of omission".   It may be more *structural* 
or *systemic* evil than *personal* in the sense that *being a 
billionaire* is a setup for out-of-scale (ir)responsibility.  Trump may 
not be technically a billionaire any longer (unless you allow for 
billions in debt) if he ever was, but his cult-figure status translates 
into a much larger bull-in-china-shop presence than mere wealth.


If Musk's Twitter-buy makes any sense it is in the interplay of wealth, 
influence, ego and the erratic bull-in-china-shop application of wealth 
is clearly translating into a ego/influence boost *inside* the 
cult-of-Elon and it's collateral mutally-supporting vortices-of-ego 
(Trump, Putin, Thiel, Musk, Rogan, etc.) which just pumps more energy 
into the "chaos" (scare quotes intended).   I'm sure they believe that 
they are doing the proverbial "millions of dollars worth of improvement" 
attributed to tornado-systems when they tear through a 50's era 
mobile-home park.   And within their logic system maybe it is literally 
true.


Regarding unipolar/multipolar/globalist/diversity arguments, the growth 
of complex adaptive systems includes the pattern of differentiation and 
re-integration at each level of complexity. The 
one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and 
politics has been flirting with for millenia now seems like an 
inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode of complexity/diversity 
will emerge.   It isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" phase 
if you are one of the entities which evolved in the context of the 
leadup differentiation phase. It is not un-natural for sub-entities to 
be more and/or less "ready" to give over to or accept the next phase 
that implicitly undermines much of what makes it unique (differentiated).


It is complicated to try to span these levels of organizaiton, and in 
fact, possibly impossible?  Is it possible for an entity at one level of 
scale/complexity to survive (be expansion) to embrace the next level 
(whatever levels actually mean in this context - nod to Glen's 
discussion/distrust around "levels")?   Seems like not... even 
attempting to describe that transcending from my *level* is probably an 
illusion.


On 11/8/22 5:26 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote:
Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much 
with Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take:


https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-unless-its-part-of-something-bigger/ 



The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to 
preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do 
think the Dem establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting 
Evil[⛧] Republicans just so they can preserve their Liberal World 
Order, in a unipolar way. So for deeper thinkers like Thiel (and maybe 
the Musk of a decade ago), the ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity 
allows for better solutions than homogeny is reasonable. [∝]


I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that 
trolls on Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a 
fish on the dock. They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of 
course, people are large, full of contradictions. Only our robot 
overlords will be able to act truly rational.


[⛧] Capital "E" to indicate that the current batch is really too 
stupid to be actually evil.


[∝] Of course, this ignores the regime/freezing argument where a 
unipolar "driver" for a given homeostatic state allows for finer 
grained wiggling inside. Even if Thiel and ilk are thinking in this 
"heterodox" way, they might be blind to the idea their upsetting the 
cart will destroy their own fortunes as well ... beyond the veil of 
ignorance.


On 11/7/22 18:05, Marcus Daniels wrote:
After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds 
exactly right to me.  Nixon too.


original.jpg
Elon. Trump. Resentment. 

theatlantic.com 



 




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore 
 wrote:



Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed. The 
Sunshine Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty 
about the dems and the house have a chance to do /something / other 
than complain about other people and be in campaign mode all the time
I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator 
that's 900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being 
a waste of air.


On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore 
mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    You forgot 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Marcus Daniels]

The universe of possible clusterings of preference combinations is far larger 
than how they are covered by the two parties.   First of all, one party aims to 
restrict preferences:  All sea creatures should be Killer Whales.   Because, it 
will make gas cheap and everyone will know their place (because there won’t be 
more than one).The other party represents the diverse complement.  Keeping 
control over Killer Whale proliferation has become the main thing, and the 
limiting factor towards our government representing everyone.   Anyone that 
hangs out with liberals knows the fragmentation of opinion occurs almost 
immediately.  There is no danger of a unipolar Democratic world.  

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 4:27 AM, glen∉ℂ  wrote:
> 
> Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much with 
> Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take:
> 
> https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-unless-its-part-of-something-bigger/
> 
> The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to 
> preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do think the 
> Dem establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting Evil[⛧] Republicans 
> just so they can preserve their Liberal World Order, in a unipolar way. So 
> for deeper thinkers like Thiel (and maybe the Musk of a decade ago), the 
> ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity allows for better solutions than 
> homogeny is reasonable. [∝]
> 
> I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that trolls on 
> Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a fish on the dock. 
> They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of course, people are large, full 
> of contradictions. Only our robot overlords will be able to act truly 
> rational.
> 
> [⛧] Capital "E" to indicate that the current batch is really too stupid to be 
> actually evil.
> 
> [∝] Of course, this ignores the regime/freezing argument where a unipolar 
> "driver" for a given homeostatic state allows for finer grained wiggling 
> inside. Even if Thiel and ilk are thinking in this "heterodox" way, they 
> might be blind to the idea their upsetting the cart will destroy their own 
> fortunes as well ... beyond the veil of ignorance.
> 
>> On 11/7/22 18:05, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds exactly 
>> right to me.  Nixon too.
>> original.jpg
>> Elon. Trump. Resentment. 
>> 
>> theatlantic.com 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine 
>>> Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and 
>>> the house have a chance to do /something / other than complain about other 
>>> people and be in campaign mode all the time
>>> I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator that's 
>>> 900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste of air.
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore >>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>You forgot getting Bushed twice.
>>> 
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith >>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much 
>>> of
>>>Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
>>>been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my 
>>> own
>>>doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
>>>AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
>>>McKinnoned.
>>> 
>>>I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...
>>> 
On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
>>>> Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the 
>>> verb Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained 
>>> in the recent Onion friend of the court filing.
>>>>
>>>> "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy 
>>> couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels 
>>> mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>>>> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>>>>> Musk threatens to 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Roger Critchlow]

Yes, I remember the look on Trump's face after the white house
correspondents dinner in 2011, and thinking that was one really pissed off
asshole.  Googling the event brings up lots of articles that wonder about
that night as well as videos that let you relive the burn.  This is why
we're taught not to do mean things, even when it seems to be the perfect
payback.

I've been thinking that this tsunami of resentment politics is our promised
age of leisure, we've become rich enough as a civilization that many
citizens finally have the time and means to engage in more refined
pursuits. Unfortunately the art of revenge is as refined as many of them
can imagine.

-- rec --

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds
> exactly right to me.  Nixon too.
>
> [image: original.jpg]
>
> Elon. Trump. Resentment.
> 
> theatlantic.com
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine
> Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and
> the house have a chance to do *something * other than complain about
> other people and be in campaign mode all the time
> I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator
> that's 900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste
> of air.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> You forgot getting Bushed twice.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
>>> Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
>>> been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
>>> doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
>>> AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
>>> McKinnoned.
>>>
>>> I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...
>>>
>>> On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
>>> > Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb
>>> Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in
>>> the recent Onion friend of the court filing.
>>> >
>>> > "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy
>>> couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels <
>>> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>> >> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>>> >>
>>> >> <
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>>> >> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account impersonators<
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >> dailymail.co.uk<
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub
>>> is fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is
>>> reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is
>>> distributed, very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported
>>> to Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of
>>> free speech. You really are free to turn open source and open protocol to
>>> your weirdo subculture. We just don't have to link to you.
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.
>>> >>
>>> >> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter
>>> vs Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative
>>> recommendations:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://alternativeto.net/
>>> >>
>>> >> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious
>>> how challenging "too many choices" can be...
>>> >>
>>> >> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond
>>> Twitter-like things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw
>>> GoodReads over for anything else because of the participating base of my
>>> own personal/family network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through
>>> a GoodReads recommendation to order from Amazon.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/
>>> >>
>>> >> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[glen∉ℂ]

Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much with 
Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take:

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-unless-its-part-of-something-bigger/

The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to 
preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do think the Dem 
establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting Evil[⛧] Republicans just so they 
can preserve their Liberal World Order, in a unipolar way. So for deeper thinkers like 
Thiel (and maybe the Musk of a decade ago), the ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity 
allows for better solutions than homogeny is reasonable. [∝]

I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that trolls on 
Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a fish on the dock. 
They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of course, people are large, full 
of contradictions. Only our robot overlords will be able to act truly rational.

[⛧] Capital "E" to indicate that the current batch is really too stupid to be 
actually evil.

[∝] Of course, this ignores the regime/freezing argument where a unipolar "driver" for a 
given homeostatic state allows for finer grained wiggling inside. Even if Thiel and ilk are 
thinking in this "heterodox" way, they might be blind to the idea their upsetting the 
cart will destroy their own fortunes as well ... beyond the veil of ignorance.

On 11/7/22 18:05, Marcus Daniels wrote:

After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds exactly 
right to me.  Nixon too.

original.jpg
Elon. Trump. Resentment. 

theatlantic.com 





Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:


Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine 
Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and the 
house have a chance to do /something / other than complain about other people 
and be in campaign mode all the time
I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator that's 900 
years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste of air.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You forgot getting Bushed twice.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:

We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
McKinnoned.

I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...

On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
> Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb Borked. 
"Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in the recent Onion 
friend of the court filing.
>
> "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy couldn't 
joke his way out of a paper bag."
>
>
> On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>>
>> 
>
>> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account 
impersonators>
>> dailymail.co.uk 
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. 
ActivityPub is fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is 
reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is 
distributed, very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported to 
Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Gillian Densmore]

Oh right I forgot that Nixon was President silly me.



On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:06 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds
> exactly right to me.  Nixon too.
>
> [image: original.jpg]
>
> Elon. Trump. Resentment.
> 
> theatlantic.com
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine
> Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and
> the house have a chance to do *something * other than complain about
> other people and be in campaign mode all the time
> I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator
> that's 900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste
> of air.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> You forgot getting Bushed twice.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
>>> Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
>>> been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
>>> doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
>>> AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
>>> McKinnoned.
>>>
>>> I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...
>>>
>>> On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
>>> > Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb
>>> Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in
>>> the recent Onion friend of the court filing.
>>> >
>>> > "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy
>>> couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels <
>>> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>> >> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>>> >>
>>> >> <
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>>> >> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account impersonators<
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >> dailymail.co.uk<
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub
>>> is fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is
>>> reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is
>>> distributed, very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported
>>> to Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of
>>> free speech. You really are free to turn open source and open protocol to
>>> your weirdo subculture. We just don't have to link to you.
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.
>>> >>
>>> >> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter
>>> vs Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative
>>> recommendations:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://alternativeto.net/
>>> >>
>>> >> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious
>>> how challenging "too many choices" can be...
>>> >>
>>> >> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond
>>> Twitter-like things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw
>>> GoodReads over for anything else because of the participating base of my
>>> own personal/family network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through
>>> a GoodReads recommendation to order from Amazon.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/
>>> >>
>>> >> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:
>>> >> I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://joinbookwyrm.com/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>>> >> Thanks, Glen.
>>> >>
>>> >> It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url
>>> that one could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.
>>> Goodreads was that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and
>>> audio recordings and other objects of public interest.
>>> >>
>>> >> I admit to 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Marcus Daniels]

After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds exactly 
right to me.  Nixon too.


[original.jpg]
Elon. Trump. 
Resentment.
theatlantic.com


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:


Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine 
Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and the 
house have a chance to do something  other than complain about other people and 
be in campaign mode all the time
I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator that's 900 
years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste of air.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore 
mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You forgot getting Bushed twice.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith 
mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:
We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
McKinnoned.

I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...

On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
> Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb Borked. 
> "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in the recent 
> Onion friend of the court filing.
>
> "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy couldn't 
> joke his way out of a paper bag."
>
>
> On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels 
> mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>>
>> 
>> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account 
>> impersonators
>> dailymail.co.uk
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen 
>> mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub is 
>> fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is reasonable, 
>> given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is distributed, 
>> very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported to Mastodon. 
>> That, unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of free speech. 
>> You really are free to turn open source and open protocol to your weirdo 
>> subculture. We just don't have to link to you.
>>
>> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.
>>
>> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith 
>> mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter vs 
>> Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative 
>> recommendations:
>>
>> https://alternativeto.net/
>>
>> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious how 
>> challenging "too many choices" can be...
>>
>> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond Twitter-like 
>> things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw GoodReads over for 
>> anything else because of the participating base of my own personal/family 
>> network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through a GoodReads 
>> recommendation to order from Amazon.
>>
>> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/
>>
>> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...
>>
>> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:
>> I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:
>>
>> https://joinbookwyrm.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>> Thanks, Glen.
>>
>> It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url that one 
>> could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.  Goodreads 
>> was that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and audio 
>> recordings and other objects of public interest.
>>
>> I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two problems... 
>> the Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also the too often spotty 
>> reviews...  I don't provide many nor particularly good reviews myself, so 
>> I've no room to complain really.
>>
>> So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Gillian Densmore]

Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed.  The Sunshine
Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty about the dems and
the house have a chance to do *something * other than complain about other
people and be in campaign mode all the time
I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a senator that's
900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats on being a waste of air.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> You forgot getting Bushed twice.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>> We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
>> Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
>> been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
>> doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
>> AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
>> McKinnoned.
>>
>> I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...
>>
>> On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
>> > Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb
>> Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in
>> the recent Onion friend of the court filing.
>> >
>> > "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy
>> couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag."
>> >
>> >
>> > On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels <
>> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>> >> Where’s the sense of humor now?
>> >>
>> >> <
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>> >
>> >> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
>> >> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account impersonators<
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>> >
>> >> dailymail.co.uk<
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub
>> is fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is
>> reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is
>> distributed, very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported
>> to Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of
>> free speech. You really are free to turn open source and open protocol to
>> your weirdo subculture. We just don't have to link to you.
>> >>
>> >> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.
>> >>
>> >> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter
>> vs Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative
>> recommendations:
>> >>
>> >> https://alternativeto.net/
>> >>
>> >> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious how
>> challenging "too many choices" can be...
>> >>
>> >> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond
>> Twitter-like things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw
>> GoodReads over for anything else because of the participating base of my
>> own personal/family network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through
>> a GoodReads recommendation to order from Amazon.
>> >>
>> >> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/
>> >>
>> >> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...
>> >>
>> >> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:
>> >> I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:
>> >>
>> >> https://joinbookwyrm.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>> >> Thanks, Glen.
>> >>
>> >> It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url
>> that one could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.
>> Goodreads was that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and
>> audio recordings and other objects of public interest.
>> >>
>> >> I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two
>> problems... the Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also the too
>> often spotty reviews...  I don't provide many nor particularly good reviews
>> myself, so I've no room to complain really.
>> >>
>> >> So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic reference url"
>> point.   It seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate but I haven't done
>> the work to understand how new entries are made... are they always required
>> to be made by a citizen of the community who is NOT affiliated with the
>> book (publisher, author, etc)? I find a *lot* of the books I seek in
>> Wikipedia and prefer them for reference when their book-description (and
>> cross links to related works, author, etc) are 

Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed...

[Gillian Densmore]

You forgot getting Bushed twice.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians and much of
> Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his followers have
> been sumarrily Lula'd)?  One of the more satisfying targets for my own
> doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and Republican
> AHoles being KatiePortered.  SNL fans love watch loving people get
> McKinnoned.
>
> I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here...
>
> On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote:
> > Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use the verb
> Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, exquisitely explained in
> the recent Onion friend of the court filing.
> >
> > "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. That guy
> couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag."
> >
> >
> > On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels <
> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
> >> Where’s the sense of humor now?
> >>
> >> <
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
> >
> >> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg]
> >> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account impersonators<
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
> >
> >> dailymail.co.uk<
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen  wrote:
> >>
> >>  That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. ActivityPub
> is fundamentally different.I guess the premature registration is
> reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But the 'fediverse' really is
> distributed, very unlike twitter. I really love that the Gab twits ported
> to Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's perverted conception, is a real example of
> free speech. You really are free to turn open source and open protocol to
> your weirdo subculture. We just don't have to link to you.
> >>
> >> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'.
> >>
> >> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads and Twitter vs
> Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of alternative
> recommendations:
> >>
> >> https://alternativeto.net/
> >>
> >> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes it obvious how
> challenging "too many choices" can be...
> >>
> >> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to abandond
> Twitter-like things altogether.  I doubt I will be willing to throw
> GoodReads over for anything else because of the participating base of my
> own personal/family network there.   I can at least avoid clicking through
> a GoodReads recommendation to order from Amazon.
> >>
> >> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/
> >>
> >> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net itself...
> >>
> >> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of "commons")?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote:
> >> I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:
> >>
> >> https://joinbookwyrm.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> >> Thanks, Glen.
> >>
> >> It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url
> that one could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.
> Goodreads was that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and
> audio recordings and other objects of public interest.
> >>
> >> I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two
> problems... the Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also the too
> often spotty reviews...  I don't provide many nor particularly good reviews
> myself, so I've no room to complain really.
> >>
> >> So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic reference url"
> point.   It seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate but I haven't done
> the work to understand how new entries are made... are they always required
> to be made by a citizen of the community who is NOT affiliated with the
> book (publisher, author, etc)? I find a *lot* of the books I seek in
> Wikipedia and prefer them for reference when their book-description (and
> cross links to related works, author, etc) are particularly apt, but that
> is also spotty.   I use Goodreads mostly to follow what family/friends are
> reading and what *they* think of their reads.
> >>
> >> The trend toward crowd-sourced public-use corpii being acquired by
> private interests (even public corporations are private interests) is
> disturbing (FB <-Mapillary, Amazon<-Goodreads)...   Twitter->BoringCo, etc)
> >>
> >>
> >> Eugenia Cheng has other books and a pile of youtube videos.
> Interestingly, her primary institutional affiliation is the Art Institute
> of Chicago, where as resident scientist she teaches math to