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On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > Steve writes: > > < The one-world-order/globalism that multinational industry, religion, and > politics has been flirting with for millenia now seems like an inevitable > happening upon which a fresh mode of complexity/diversity will emerge. It > isn't un-motivated to resist the "integration" phase if you are one of the > entities which evolved in the context of the leadup differentiation phase. > > > I think of secular globalism as more of platform for the next fresh mode > of complexity to emerge. The words I use (I think for the same thing) are > exploration vs. exploitation, which roughly correspond to the union and the > confederacy and their modern equivalents. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2022 8:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting Verbed... > > I think that throwing one's weight (wealth) around indiscriminately > (without regard to obvious collateral damage) is an evil no less judge-able > than other "sins of omission". It may be more *structural* or *systemic* > evil than *personal* in the sense that *being a > billionaire* is a setup for out-of-scale (ir)responsibility. Trump may > not be technically a billionaire any longer (unless you allow for billions > in debt) if he ever was, but his cult-figure status translates into a much > larger bull-in-china-shop presence than mere wealth. > > If Musk's Twitter-buy makes any sense it is in the interplay of wealth, > influence, ego and the erratic bull-in-china-shop application of wealth is > clearly translating into a ego/influence boost *inside* the cult-of-Elon > and it's collateral mutally-supporting vortices-of-ego (Trump, Putin, > Thiel, Musk, Rogan, etc.) which just pumps more energy into the "chaos" > (scare quotes intended). I'm sure they believe that they are doing the > proverbial "millions of dollars worth of improvement" > attributed to tornado-systems when they tear through a 50's era > mobile-home park. And within their logic system maybe it is literally > true. > > Regarding unipolar/multipolar/globalist/diversity arguments, the growth of > complex adaptive systems includes the pattern of differentiation and > re-integration at each level of complexity. The one-world-order/globalism > that multinational industry, religion, and politics has been flirting with > for millenia now seems like an inevitable happening upon which a fresh mode > of complexity/diversity will emerge. It isn't un-motivated to resist the > "integration" phase if you are one of the entities which evolved in the > context of the leadup differentiation phase. It is not un-natural for > sub-entities to be more and/or less "ready" to give over to or accept the > next phase that implicitly undermines much of what makes it unique > (differentiated). > > It is complicated to try to span these levels of organizaiton, and in > fact, possibly impossible? Is it possible for an entity at one level of > scale/complexity to survive (be expansion) to embrace the next level > (whatever levels actually mean in this context - nod to Glen's > discussion/distrust around "levels")? Seems like not... even attempting > to describe that transcending from my *level* is probably an illusion. > > On 11/8/22 5:26 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote: > > Nichols' argument rings a little true with Musk and Trump, not so much > > with Thiel. Along the lines of Doctorow, this guy has a plausible take: > > > > https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/musks-twitter-buy-makes-no-sense-un > > less-its-part-of-something-bigger/ > > > > > > The "multipolar" world might actually be a good faith attempt to > > preserve/restore diversity. Most of my hard lefty friends really do > > think the Dem establishment is an insidious evil who are exploiting > > Evil[⛧] Republicans just so they can preserve their Liberal World > > Order, in a unipolar way. So for deeper thinkers like Thiel (and maybe > > the Musk of a decade ago), the ecological rhetoric that heterogeneity > > allows for better solutions than homogeny is reasonable. [∝] > > > > I certainly don't buy Troy's argument for the impulsive Musk that > > trolls on Twitter and buys it, or the Trump who flops around like a > > fish on the dock. They do seem to be acting out of grievance. Of > > course, people are large, full of contradictions. Only our robot > > overlords will be able to act truly rational. > > > > [⛧] Capital "E" to indicate that the current batch is really too > > stupid to be actually evil. > > > > [∝] Of course, this ignores the regime/freezing argument where a > > unipolar "driver" for a given homeostatic state allows for finer > > grained wiggling inside. Even if Thiel and ilk are thinking in this > > "heterodox" way, they might be blind to the idea their upsetting the > > cart will destroy their own fortunes as well ... beyond the veil of > > ignorance. > > > > On 11/7/22 18:05, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> After being a fly on the wall at SFI and similar places, this sounds > >> exactly right to me. Nixon too. > >> > >> original.jpg > >> Elon. Trump. Resentment. > >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/elon-trump-r > >> esentment/672030/> > >> theatlantic.com > >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/elon-trump-r > >> esentment/672030/> > >> > >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/elon-trump-r > >> esentment/672030/> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Densmore > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Oh and SCOTUSed, the tech sector getting Biden'd and Demed. The > >>> Sunshine Protection act getting tantrum'd. Yes I will stay petty > >>> about the dems and the house have a chance to do /something / other > >>> than complain about other people and be in campaign mode all the > >>> time I get news'd a retarded poloticioned (so poloticion.) your a > >>> senator that's 900 years old acting like a 3 year old eh? congrats > >>> on being a waste of air. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:47 PM Gillian Densmore > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> You forgot getting Bushed twice. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:59 PM Steve Smith <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> We been Musked, we been Trumped, the Russians and Ukranians > >>> and much of > >>> Europe has been Putined and perhaps Balsinaro (and his > >>> followers have > >>> been sumarrily Lula'd)? One of the more satisfying targets > >>> for my own > >>> doomscrolling is to find examples of Corporate Execs and > >>> Republican > >>> AHoles being KatiePortered. SNL fans love watch loving > >>> people get > >>> McKinnoned. > >>> > >>> I'm probably just begging to get Ropella'd here... > >>> > >>> On 11/7/22 12:04 PM, glen wrote: > >>> > Musk *is* the joke. A joke of a person ... like we now use > >>> the verb Borked. "Musk" could be shorthand for Poe's Law, > >>> exquisitely explained in the recent Onion friend of the court filing. > >>> > > >>> > "You were totally Musked, man. It's not even bad faith. > >>> That guy couldn't joke his way out of a paper bag." > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On November 7, 2022 10:33:38 AM EST, Marcus Daniels > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >> Where’s the sense of humor now? > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-bo > >>> ot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-bo > >>> ot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html>> > >>> > >>> >> [64260315-0-image-a-4_1667788476734.jpg] > >>> >> Musk threatens to boot Twitter account > >>> impersonators<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk > >>> -threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-bo > >>> ot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html>> > >>> > >>> >> dailymail.co.uk > >>> <http://dailymail.co.uk><https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11 > >>> 397213/Musk-threatens-boot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11397213/Musk-threatens-bo > >>> ot-Twitter-account-impersonators.html>> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone > >>> >> > >>> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:53 PM, glen <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> That you call Mastodon 'twitter-like' is discomforting. > >>> ActivityPub is fundamentally different.I guess the premature > >>> registration is reasonable, given the politics of the moment. But > >>> the 'fediverse' really is distributed, very unlike twitter. I really > >>> love that the Gab twits ported to Mastodon. That, unlike Musk's > >>> perverted conception, is a real example of free speech. You really > >>> are free to turn open source and open protocol to your weirdo > >>> subculture. We just don't have to link to you. > >>> >> > >>> >> Don't think 'twitter-like'. Think 'decentralized'. > >>> >> > >>> >> On November 6, 2022 5:51:40 PM EST, Steve Smith > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Trying to understand BookWyrm vs StoryGraph vs GoodReads > >>> and Twitter vs Mastadon (and beyond), I found this aggregator of > >>> alternative recommendations: > >>> >> > >>> >> https://alternativeto.net/ <https://alternativeto.net/> > >>> >> > >>> >> which doesn't necessarily solve anything, it just makes > >>> it obvious how challenging "too many choices" can be... > >>> >> > >>> >> After a lame attempt to go with Mastadon I decided to > >>> abandond Twitter-like things altogether. I doubt I will be willing > >>> to throw GoodReads over for anything else because of the > >>> participating base of my own personal/family network there. I can > >>> at least avoid clicking through a GoodReads recommendation to order > >>> from Amazon. > >>> >> > >>> >> https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/ > >>> <https://alternativeto.net/software/bookwyrm/> > >>> >> > >>> >> I haven't begun (tried?) to evaluate AlternativeTo.Net > >>> itself... > >>> >> > >>> >> Is this the tragedy of the "free market" (subset of > >>> "commons")? > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On 11/4/22 3:00 PM, glen wrote: > >>> >> I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday: > >>> >> > >>> >> https://joinbookwyrm.com/ <https://joinbookwyrm.com/> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > >>> >> Thanks, Glen. > >>> >> > >>> >> It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic > >>> reference url that one could use to name a book that only conveyed > >>> the thing in itself. Goodreads was that once, then Amazon bought > >>> them. Ditto for video and audio recordings and other objects of > >>> public interest. > >>> >> > >>> >> I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite > >>> of two problems... the Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but > >>> also the too often spotty reviews... I don't provide many nor > >>> particularly good reviews myself, so I've no room to complain really. > >>> >> > >>> >> So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic > >>> reference url" point. It seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate > >>> but I haven't done the work to understand how new entries are > >>> made... are they always required to be made by a citizen of the > >>> community who is NOT affiliated with the book (publisher, author, > >>> etc)? I find a *lot* of the books I seek in Wikipedia and prefer > >>> them for reference when their book-description (and cross links to > >>> related works, author, etc) are particularly apt, but that is also > >>> spotty. I use Goodreads mostly to follow what family/friends are > >>> reading and what *they* think of their reads. > >>> >> > >>> >> The trend toward crowd-sourced public-use corpii being > >>> acquired by private interests (even public corporations are private > >>> interests) is disturbing (FB <-Mapillary, Amazon<-Goodreads)... > >>> Twitter->BoringCo, etc) > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Eugenia Cheng has other books and a pile of youtube > >>> videos. Interestingly, her primary institutional affiliation is the > >>> Art Institute of Chicago, where as resident scientist she teaches > >>> math to art students. She has a public reading for kids scheduled > >>> in Jersey City this month. Her definition of category theory is > >>> "the mathematics of mathematics" which she expands as "the logical > >>> study of the logical study of logical things." > >>> >> > >>> >> Hasok Chang has a third book, Is Water H2O, which Amazon > >>> fails to index on his amazon author page, though it is on amazon at > >>> a blistering price in every available format. I found a pdf on the > >>> internets. It's details the history of working out the chemical > >>> identity of water. Two themes are that 1) the consensus answers to > >>> scientific questions often change in anticipation of the arrival of > >>> corroboration, 2) there are often multiple acceptable answers to > >>> scientific questions. These are possibly consequences of being a > >>> realisitic realist. > >>> >> > >>> >> Interesting set of recursions... we CS types tend to > >>> love our arbitrary-depth recursion, but the special cases like > >>> double-negatives, and Rummy's unkown unknowns and now Chang's > >>> logical logicologoy of logics and realistic realists are ... > >>> *special*? While some may prefer "turtles all the way down" > >>> sometimes just a few turtles deep suffices? > >>> >> > >>> >> - Steve > >>> >> > >>> >> PS... couldn't help hearing/reading "Cheech&Chong" on the > >>> first reading of this thread. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- rec -- > >>> >> > >>> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 9:57 AM glen <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>><mailto:[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> There. I fixed that for you. 8^D > >>> >> > >>> >> On 11/1/22 19:36, Roger Critchlow wrote: > >>> >> > Interesting visit with my old boss/friend today, he > >>> mentioned some books of interest, and while looking for them I > >>> discovered yet another book. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration-o > >>> f-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=978110847 > >>> 7222 > >>> <https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration- > >>> of-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=97811084 > >>> 77222> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Exploration-Category-Theory/dp/1108477224> > >>> >> > Eugenia Cheng, The Joy of Abstraction: An > >>> Exploration of Math, Category Theory, and Life, published October 2022. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > A presentation of category theory that keeps the > >>> underlying algebra basic. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and-s > >>> cientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389 > >>> <https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and- > >>> scientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Hasok Chang, Inventing Temperature: Measurement and > >>> Scientific Progress > >>> >> > > >>> >> > An itemized history of temperature and all the > >>> wrong turns taken along the way, more detail than even the author > >>> cares to read again. Poetic justice to examine the operation of the > >>> pragmatist's ratchet and pawl over the centuries as it rescues > >>> workable definitions of temperature from thermal confusion. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-prag > >>> matist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384 > >>> <https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-pra > >>> gmatist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384 > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Hasok Chang, Realism for Realistic People: A New > >>> Pragmatist Philosophy of Science, available on kindle on November > >>> 30, 2022. > >>> >> > > >>> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. > >>> --- -.. . > >>> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >>> > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p > >>> Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > >>> > to (un)subscribe > >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > >>> > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > >>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > >>> > archives: 5/2017 thru present > >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > >>> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> > >>> > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > >>> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> > >>> > > > > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. > > Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to > > (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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