Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Marcus Daniels]

Vladimyr writes:


"Then the Americans claimed a total victory in 1945, and got the same slow 
social disease."


Maybe it could be treated?  Here they used herpes simplex virus.


http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC2763614/




Or perhaps insights as below could be applied via CRISPR?




http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867416317433


Marcus




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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Vladimyr Burachynsky]

On 01/11/2017 03:34 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic 
> person on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of Trump 
> boils down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me, myself and I, 
> you loser". There is no way how he can make the country great again. As Paul 
> Krugman said America will turn into some form of authoritarianism, into a 
> Trumpistan nightmare at best. 
> Mr. Trump does not only have a brand, he *is* a brand, a brand that says "I'm 
> great". If you stay in this Trump hotel you are great. If you play on this 
> Trump golf course you are great, too. But it is just a facade. It is based on 
> lies, and there is nothing behind the shiny facade except emptiness. 
> Therefore he seems to hit back immediately if someone damages his image and 
> his brand, because he ceases to exist if his image is destroyed. He and his 
> brand have become undistinguishable.
> Marketing is no way to make America great again, Google has already an OS for 
> ads, and the American corporations excel in marketing, especially the fast 
> food chains. What will he do, build a Trump hotel in every city, a Trump golf 
> course in every national park? This would be a total Trumpistan nightmare. 
> Better than the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a future...




VIB I missed the rest of Jochen Fromm’s letter but agree whole heartedly.

 

The universe of a narcissist has a radius close to +1 plus the small consensus 
it controls. The Solipsist has complete mastery of a Universe of radius 
absolute 1 plus the deluded 

cohort of imaginary sycophants. The difference between the two is very small. A 
totally mad narcissist vacillates between the two positions slaughtering all 
contradictions real or imagined.

If a madman truly believes in himself … than he can commit any atrocity with a 
clear conscience. I true believer can completely ignore reality.

 

I was accused of being a pacifist lately when I am anything but that. Sometimes 
Violence is the only response to madmen and in such a case, hesitation is folly.

I was raised by survivors of The Great Slaughter in Eastern Europe, they taught 
me to fight and how to kill because they feared it’s return. Not in my life 
time was I ever called upon…

thank God. 

 

When I wanted to play hockey my father asked what are these Anglish games, you 
should learn to fight and kill. 

That is how you survive…

 

I was raised in a world of two realities, one flippant and the other bitterly 
serious.

 

Jochen sees the same insatiable monster’s path. 

We watch in quiet but we are not passive. The Russians know this beast as well 
as anyone. Finns, Balts, Ukrainians, Poles, Central Europeans we lost an 
uncountable number.

Then the Americans claimed a total victory in 1945, and got the same slow 
social disease.

War continued well into the 1950’s in the East.

 

Trump is no more than a bleating goat tethered to a tent peg in the forest. Now 
that both national parties are discredited more demons are emerging, the 
Media/Bubble and the National Intelligence community.

I admit to being dumbstruck by Trump’s counter reactions. He might make it to 
the end of a term but don’t bet on it. 

 

Trump and Putin are drawing out the poisons in the system.

Putin might survive in some clever way but Trump is clearly blinded by his own 
aura or his deodorant.

Trump is performing his role as Bait, very well.

vib 

 

I ask that no one ever confuses thinking for passivity, nor mistake me for an 
apocalyptic hermit.

So calm down a bit and reduce your heart rate before you touch a trigger.

 

Is that a spoof about Americans coming to Canada, tell them to bring a good 
coat because it is -40 C with windchill.

You are crazy to look for a balmy sanctuary up here. This place is only fit for 
the crazy Siberians now.



 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland
Sent: January-12-17 6:40 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

Eric,

You make a good point about your concerns being orthogonal to mine.

To my point, though... one of the things that Trump is doing to exacerbate my 
concern is to nominate folks (e.g. the senator from Alabama to AG) who have 
vowed to promote further class marginalization, and have demonstrated that such 
is their propensity and commitment - by, for example, supporting the KKK.

Grant

 

On 1/12/17 12:12 PM, Eric Charles wrote:

Grant, et al.,

I fully understand concern for the effect that electing Trump might have on the 
attitudes of the larger population. I have relatives who are, in fact, moving 
from rural areas, where discrimination was already noticeable, to Canada, in 
anticipation of increased discrimination (inspired by what, to them, Trump's 
victory represe

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Grant Holland]

 and members
of the press every day.

Are we really worried Meryl will be disappeared in the coming
weeks, and gassed? Are we worried she will be hit with false
charges, arrested without trial, and have her properties become
forfeit to the state? Are we even worried she might be
blacklisted and never act again? And even if she did, are we
worried she won't be able to get by in this world and support her
family with the $75 million she already has? Those are honest
questions.

Maybe I'm very confused about what "courageous" means. I would
consider the average BLM marcher, or women's march participant,
more courageous. They could be attacked by police or counter
protesters, they could be arrested, they could be fired from
their jobs, they could become ostracized by their communities,
etc. Heck, Jill Stein got herself arrested at Standing Rock and
hardly anyone seemed to notice. I'm not saying Meryl didn't give
a good speech, or that it was unimportant, but I honestly wonder
what risk we really think she faces as a result of that speech,
which leads us to dub her act so courageous, and to compare it to
the actions of the other individuals mentioned.


---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net
<mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:

Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who
was one of the few bishops that had the courage to criticize
the Nazi regime. He was a bishop in my hometown Münster near
the Dutch border. In his sermons he criticized that the Nazis
were killing innocent disabled people. The program was named
T4. The Nazis let him live because he was too popular among
the people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen>

Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo
 (the secret state police) in concentration camps and died.
In St. Hedwig's cathedral in Berlin many of those are
mentioned on memorial plagues. While it may be futile to
resist, those who have the courage to do it are not forgotten.

It can also help to document the things that are unfolding,
the violations of human rights, the corruption, and the
injustice. In Dresden there was a Jewish professor Victor
Klemperer who covered the actions of the Nazi regime in his
diaries and journals. He was an important witness of all the
injustice that happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer>

-J.


 Original message 
From: glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com
<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>
Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
    <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?


But the question is what actions are guided by remote
diagnosis?  I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like
that from Streep, when added to the rest of the stress he
will be / has been under, will make him go away.  But it's
not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and
stigma won't really work on him.

I suppose if we could really confirm that he's a particular
type of narcissist, then we could build models of what he may
or may not do and choose actions based on their expected
efficacy.  But because, almost by definition, everyone who
willingly runs for President is a narcissist of some sort or
other and to differing extent, that diagnosis isn't helpful.

Listening to the confirmation hearings is more helpful, I
think.  Take note of all the (many) issues where Trump and
his appointees express diametrically opposite positions. 
Focus on those fissures.  At best, his administration will

shatter.  At worst, the more distance you can put between the
incompetent Cheeto and the competent people surrounding him,
the more likely we'll end up with a Bush2 or a
late-stage-Reagan ... maybe not good, but not catastrophic.

On 01/11/2017 03:34 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a
narcissistic person on your site. A narcissist cares only for
himself. The policy of Trump boils down to "I'm great and
you're not unless you are like me, myself and I, you loser".
There is no way how he can make the country great again. As

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[John Dobson]

*The 25th Amendment has two provisions (Articles 3 and 4) that provide for
removal of a sitting president. *

* In Article 3, if the president himself decid*es he can't carry on, he can
let folks know.  Here's the language: *Whenever the President transmits to
the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of
Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the
powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written
declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by
the Vice President as Acting President.*


*So how likely is it that President Trump will do that?  Not likely.  **4
allows for others to determine he is unfit.  Here's the language:  Whenever
the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the
executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide,
transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the
House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is
unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President
shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting
President.*

Unfortunately, this is reversible.  The president can, Lazarus-like, be
declared ok again and be reinstated.


On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I asked at wed tech and I shall ask here then I might sugest to table it
> for a bit before everyone gets insomnia and heartburn:
>
> IF Drumpf is shown to have a neroisis and or other issues that make it a
> really bad idea for him to be president?
> What next?
> Is he able or willing to own having a Neuroisis?
> A
> s I tossed out durring wedthech
> Ok so razzing asside for a moment:
> What next? are their guidlines or rules for what to do?
> Also
> is it really better for Pence (for example) to be president? He has more
> practical experience. He also has his own bagage and issues.
>
> If it becomes reasonably clear Drumpf simply isn't able to work as
> president because of any number of medical problems what next?
> Are their guidleines or rules for what to do? I personally simply don't
> know.
>
> I'd guess that pence and or the sennate and congress somehow take over.
> Marcus(SP) and Josh thought Pence might (temporarily) take over (sort of)
> mostly as a place holder, and their'd be an Emergence Special election.
> (See also Gov. Grey Davis for example)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Nick Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Grant,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a tremendous letter. Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant
>> Holland
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>; ERIC P. CHARLES <e...@psu.edu>; j...@cas-group.net
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>> It looks to me like you are missing what people like myself and Jochen
>> are very afraid of - the extreme marginalization of certain classes of
>> people versus other classes of people. And when I say "extreme", I mean
>> extreme.
>>
>> I grew up in the American South in the 1950s where lynchings of a certain
>> class of people still occurred. That culture strictly forbade the pursuit
>> of social and economic opportunity for that class, at the threat of
>> beatings and death. And it was justified via an appeal to Christianity! For
>> example, my mother (I'm a white guy) took over my Sunday school class in
>> order to teach us (11 year old kids) that racism is Biblically justified.
>> (She failed of course in her attempt at demonstrating that.)
>>
>> So I know by experience that the danger of that kind of marginalization
>> is real. (The propensity for a return to that world is alive and kicking
>> even today in the deep South.) It is palpable and I recognize it in today's
>> cultural and political manifestations.
>>
>> I know that many of my friends who voted for Trump either think that I am
>> simply a sore Hillary lover (I'm not really a fan of hers), or that I'm
>> senselessly paranoid. But I think my fears are real and even probable. I'm
>> way beyond mere disagreement. (That's where I was in 20

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Gary Schiltz]

> of these phenomena. It happened, and Jochen knows what the tracks of that
>> animal look like.
>>
>> Thanks for listening to me!
>> Grant
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/17 6:07 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
>>
>> The comparison of Meryl Streep to Klemperer or von Galen seems more
>> baffling to me than the original conversation. As some on social media have
>> been pointing out, she stood in a room full of like minded people, and
>> spoke their collective mind, with no risk to her career or her person. She
>> didn't say anything not being chanted from the rooftops by hundreds of
>> thousands of other people, and said publically, by prominent celebrities
>> and members of the press every day.
>>
>> Are we really worried Meryl will be disappeared in the coming weeks, and
>> gassed? Are we worried she will be hit with false charges, arrested without
>> trial, and have her properties become forfeit to the state? Are we even
>> worried she might be blacklisted and never act again? And even if she did,
>> are we worried she won't be able to get by in this world and support her
>> family with the $75 million she already has? Those are honest questions.
>>
>> Maybe I'm very confused about what "courageous" means. I would consider
>> the average BLM marcher, or women's march participant, more courageous.
>> They could be attacked by police or counter protesters, they could be
>> arrested, they could be fired from their jobs, they could become ostracized
>> by their communities, etc. Heck, Jill Stein got herself arrested at
>> Standing Rock and hardly anyone seemed to notice. I'm not saying Meryl
>> didn't give a good speech, or that it was unimportant, but I honestly
>> wonder what risk we really think she faces as a result of that speech,
>> which leads us to dub her act so courageous, and to compare it to the
>> actions of the other individuals mentioned.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
>> Supervisory Survey Statistician
>> U.S. Marine Corps
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of
>>> the few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a
>>> bishop in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his sermons he
>>> criticized that the Nazis were killing innocent disabled people. The
>>> program was named T4. The Nazis let him live because he was too popular
>>> among the people.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen
>>>
>>> Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo  (the
>>> secret state police) in concentration camps and died. In St. Hedwig's
>>> cathedral in Berlin many of those are mentioned on memorial plagues. While
>>> it may be futile to resist, those who have the courage to do it are not
>>> forgotten.
>>>
>>> It can also help to document the things that are unfolding, the
>>> violations of human rights, the corruption, and the injustice. In Dresden
>>> there was a Jewish professor Victor Klemperer who covered the actions of
>>> the Nazi regime in his diaries and journals. He was an important witness of
>>> all the injustice that happened.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer
>>>
>>> -J.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00)
>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam@redfish.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>>>
>>>
>>> But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis?  I
>>> admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added
>>> to the rest of the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go
>>> away.  But it's not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and
>>> stigma won't really work on him.
>>>
>>> I suppose if we could really confirm that he's a particular type of
>>> narcissist, then we could build models of what he may or may not do and
>>> choose actions based on their expected efficacy.  But because, almost by
>>> definition, everyone who willingly runs for President is a narcissist of
>>> some sort or other and to differing extent, that diagnosis isn't helpful.
>>>
>>> Listening to the confirmation hearings is more he

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Gillian Densmore]

I asked at wed tech and I shall ask here then I might sugest to table it
for a bit before everyone gets insomnia and heartburn:

IF Drumpf is shown to have a neroisis and or other issues that make it a
really bad idea for him to be president?
What next?
Is he able or willing to own having a Neuroisis?
A
s I tossed out durring wedthech
Ok so razzing asside for a moment:
What next? are their guidlines or rules for what to do?
Also
is it really better for Pence (for example) to be president? He has more
practical experience. He also has his own bagage and issues.

If it becomes reasonably clear Drumpf simply isn't able to work as
president because of any number of medical problems what next?
Are their guidleines or rules for what to do? I personally simply don't
know.

I'd guess that pence and or the sennate and congress somehow take over.
Marcus(SP) and Josh thought Pence might (temporarily) take over (sort of)
mostly as a place holder, and their'd be an Emergence Special election.
(See also Gov. Grey Davis for example)




On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Grant,
>
>
>
> This is a tremendous letter. Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant
> Holland
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>; ERIC P. CHARLES <e...@psu.edu>; j...@cas-group.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
>
> Eric,
>
> It looks to me like you are missing what people like myself and Jochen are
> very afraid of - the extreme marginalization of certain classes of people
> versus other classes of people. And when I say "extreme", I mean extreme.
>
> I grew up in the American South in the 1950s where lynchings of a certain
> class of people still occurred. That culture strictly forbade the pursuit
> of social and economic opportunity for that class, at the threat of
> beatings and death. And it was justified via an appeal to Christianity! For
> example, my mother (I'm a white guy) took over my Sunday school class in
> order to teach us (11 year old kids) that racism is Biblically justified.
> (She failed of course in her attempt at demonstrating that.)
>
> So I know by experience that the danger of that kind of marginalization is
> real. (The propensity for a return to that world is alive and kicking even
> today in the deep South.) It is palpable and I recognize it in today's
> cultural and political manifestations.
>
> I know that many of my friends who voted for Trump either think that I am
> simply a sore Hillary lover (I'm not really a fan of hers), or that I'm
> senselessly paranoid. But I think my fears are real and even probable. I'm
> way beyond mere disagreement. (That's where I was in 2000 when W won.)
>
> And I do not think that Jochen's fears are unjustified. Listen to him. You
> don't have to agree, but listen. He comes from a place that is fresh with
> the experience, and the consequences, of the real life manifestations of
> these phenomena. It happened, and Jochen knows what the tracks of that
> animal look like.
>
> Thanks for listening to me!
> Grant
>
> On 1/12/17 6:07 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
>
> The comparison of Meryl Streep to Klemperer or von Galen seems more
> baffling to me than the original conversation. As some on social media have
> been pointing out, she stood in a room full of like minded people, and
> spoke their collective mind, with no risk to her career or her person. She
> didn't say anything not being chanted from the rooftops by hundreds of
> thousands of other people, and said publically, by prominent celebrities
> and members of the press every day.
>
>
>
> Are we really worried Meryl will be disappeared in the coming weeks, and
> gassed? Are we worried she will be hit with false charges, arrested without
> trial, and have her properties become forfeit to the state? Are we even
> worried she might be blacklisted and never act again? And even if she did,
> are we worried she won't be able to get by in this world and support her
> family with the $75 million she already has? Those are honest questions.
>
>
>
> Maybe I'm very confused about what "courageous" means. I would consider
> the average BLM marcher, or women's march participant, more courageous.
> They could be attacked by police or counter protesters, they could be
> arrested, they could be fired from their jobs, they could become ostracized
>

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Nick Thompson]

Grant, 

 

This is a tremendous letter. Thanks for your thoughts. 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>; 
ERIC P. CHARLES <e...@psu.edu>; j...@cas-group.net
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

Eric,

It looks to me like you are missing what people like myself and Jochen are very 
afraid of - the extreme marginalization of certain classes of people versus 
other classes of people. And when I say "extreme", I mean extreme. 

I grew up in the American South in the 1950s where lynchings of a certain class 
of people still occurred. That culture strictly forbade the pursuit of social 
and economic opportunity for that class, at the threat of beatings and death. 
And it was justified via an appeal to Christianity! For example, my mother (I'm 
a white guy) took over my Sunday school class in order to teach us (11 year old 
kids) that racism is Biblically justified. (She failed of course in her attempt 
at demonstrating that.)

So I know by experience that the danger of that kind of marginalization is 
real. (The propensity for a return to that world is alive and kicking even 
today in the deep South.) It is palpable and I recognize it in today's cultural 
and political manifestations.

I know that many of my friends who voted for Trump either think that I am 
simply a sore Hillary lover (I'm not really a fan of hers), or that I'm 
senselessly paranoid. But I think my fears are real and even probable. I'm way 
beyond mere disagreement. (That's where I was in 2000 when W won.) 

And I do not think that Jochen's fears are unjustified. Listen to him. You 
don't have to agree, but listen. He comes from a place that is fresh with the 
experience, and the consequences, of the real life manifestations of these 
phenomena. It happened, and Jochen knows what the tracks of that animal look 
like. 

Thanks for listening to me!
Grant

On 1/12/17 6:07 AM, Eric Charles wrote:

The comparison of Meryl Streep to Klemperer or von Galen seems more baffling to 
me than the original conversation. As some on social media have been pointing 
out, she stood in a room full of like minded people, and spoke their collective 
mind, with no risk to her career or her person. She didn't say anything not 
being chanted from the rooftops by hundreds of thousands of other people, and 
said publically, by prominent celebrities and members of the press every day. 

 

Are we really worried Meryl will be disappeared in the coming weeks, and 
gassed? Are we worried she will be hit with false charges, arrested without 
trial, and have her properties become forfeit to the state? Are we even worried 
she might be blacklisted and never act again? And even if she did, are we 
worried she won't be able to get by in this world and support her family with 
the $75 million she already has? Those are honest questions. 

 

Maybe I'm very confused about what "courageous" means. I would consider the 
average BLM marcher, or women's march participant, more courageous. They could 
be attacked by police or counter protesters, they could be arrested, they could 
be fired from their jobs, they could become ostracized by their communities, 
etc. Heck, Jill Stein got herself arrested at Standing Rock and hardly anyone 
seemed to notice. I'm not saying Meryl didn't give a good speech, or that it 
was unimportant, but I honestly wonder what risk we really think she faces as a 
result of that speech, which leads us to dub her act so courageous, and to 
compare it to the actions of the other individuals mentioned. 

 





---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps

 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net 
<mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of the 
few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a bishop 
in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his sermons he criticized that 
the Nazis were killing innocent disabled people. The program was named T4. The 
Nazis let him live because he was too popular among the people. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen

 

Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo  (the secret 
state police) in concentration camps and died. In St. Hedwig's cathedral in 
Berlin many of those are mentioned on memorial plagues. While it may be futile 
to resist, those who have the courage to do it are not forgotten. 

 

It can also help to document the things that are unfolding, the violations o

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Marcus Daniels]

Well, sorry to be negative, but salaries for librarians in Santa Fe are about 
half what they are cities of equivalent size in states like Oregon or 
California.  That shows about how seriously New Mexico takes libraries.   There 
is barely any money for digital content, never mind spaces to create the kind 
of stable work environments that would be needed for, say, young software 
developers (e.g. of limited means from, say, Pojoaque or Espanola) to develop 
experience.   SFPL terminals turn over every hour.   And a lot of their patrons 
are homeless people that just need some physical shelter from the cold.  SFPL 
at the main branch does have an optical drop now, but I believe it isn’t in use 
yet because they can’t afford to finish the installation.  I agree libraries 
could serve this role, but it would require leadership at the library level and 
substantial broad investments, not just a few expensive toys like 3-D printers. 
  There also need to be trained people available to help patrons use machines 
like that, and individuals responsible for fixing the machines, or calling in 
the vendors when the machines break, and so on.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:42 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

From the first-mile list comes an interesting innovation effort proposed by 
Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-NM.

For those of us in NM, it should be indicative of Trump's ability to work with 
others, i.e. just how bad is his narcissistic personality disorder.

   -- Owen


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Lujan: Libraries + Innovation

http://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2017/01/lawmaker-public-libraries-can-boost-american-innovation/134518/

President-elect Donald Trump's technology agenda is largely opaque, but at 
least one member of Congress has a message for his administration: ideas for 
cutting-edge technology often comes from the grassroots.

“Innovation may have a national or even global impact but like politics, the 
process of innovation is inherently local,” Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., said 
during an Information Technology and Innovation Foundation event on Capitol 
Hill on Wednesday. The government needs to think of creative ways to “provide 
resources to the innovators ... across the country," he added.

Lujan advocated for establishing maker-spaces in public libraries, potentially 
outfitting them with small-scale manufacturing equipment such as 3-D printers, 
that are accessible to businesses, researchers and the nearby community. 
Because public libraries already exist across America, "including the rural 
parts, where we still don’t have bandwidth capacity," they could become hubs 
for technological development outside Silicon Valley, he said.

Lujan, who co-founded the House Technology Transfer Caucus, singled out this 
and a few other innovation-themed recommendations for Trump's administration 
mentioned in a report from the ITIF and the Brookings Institution.

He also advocated for creating an Energy Department-based nonprofit that could 
dole out funds to transition technology out of federal research labs and into 
the marketplace. Lujan said he's working on legislation that would encourage 
Energy to promote partnerships with local economic development groups including 
maker-spaces.

Other specific recommendations mentioned in the report include encouraging 
student entrepreneurship and increasing research and development tax credit 
generosity.


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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Grant Holland]

te: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?


But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis? 
I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep,

when added to the rest of the stress he will be / has been under,
will make him go away.  But it's not likely for the same reasons
Steve cites that blame and stigma won't really work on him.

I suppose if we could really confirm that he's a particular type
of narcissist, then we could build models of what he may or may
not do and choose actions based on their expected efficacy.  But
because, almost by definition, everyone who willingly runs for
President is a narcissist of some sort or other and to differing
extent, that diagnosis isn't helpful.

Listening to the confirmation hearings is more helpful, I think. 
Take note of all the (many) issues where Trump and his appointees

express diametrically opposite positions.  Focus on those
fissures.  At best, his administration will shatter.  At worst,
the more distance you can put between the incompetent Cheeto and
the competent people surrounding him, the more likely we'll end up
with a Bush2 or a late-stage-Reagan ... maybe not good, but not
catastrophic.

On 01/11/2017 03:34 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a
narcissistic person on your site. A narcissist cares only for
himself. The policy of Trump boils down to "I'm great and you're
not unless you are like me, myself and I, you loser". There is no
way how he can make the country great again. As Paul Krugman said
America will turn into some form of authoritarianism, into a
Trumpistan nightmare at best.
> Mr. Trump does not only have a brand, he *is* a brand, a brand
that says "I'm great". If you stay in this Trump hotel you are
great. If you play on this Trump golf course you are great, too.
But it is just a facade. It is based on lies, and there is nothing
behind the shiny facade except emptiness. Therefore he seems to
hit back immediately if someone damages his image and his brand,
because he ceases to exist if his image is destroyed. He and his
brand have become undistinguishable.
> Marketing is no way to make America great again, Google has
already an OS for ads, and the American corporations excel in
marketing, especially the fast food chains. What will he do, build
a Trump hotel in every city, a Trump golf course in every national
park? This would be a total Trumpistan nightmare. Better than the
nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a future...


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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Owen Densmore]

>From the first-mile list comes an interesting innovation effort proposed by
Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-NM.

For those of us in NM, it should be indicative of Trump's ability to work
with others, i.e. just how bad is his narcissistic personality disorder.

   -- Owen


-- Forwarded message --
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Lujan: Libraries + Innovation

http://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2017/01/lawmaker-public-
libraries-can-boost-american-innovation/134518/

President-elect Donald Trump's technology agenda is largely opaque, but at
least one member of Congress has a message for his administration: ideas
for cutting-edge technology often comes from the grassroots.

“Innovation may have a national or even global impact but like politics,
the process of innovation is inherently local,” Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M.,
said during an Information Technology and Innovation Foundation event on
Capitol Hill on Wednesday. The government needs to think of creative ways
to “provide resources to the innovators ... across the country," he added.

Lujan advocated for establishing maker-spaces in public libraries,
potentially outfitting them with small-scale manufacturing equipment such
as 3-D printers, that are accessible to businesses, researchers and the
nearby community. Because public libraries already exist across America,
"including the rural parts, where we still don’t have bandwidth capacity,"
they could become hubs for technological development outside Silicon
Valley, he said.

Lujan, who co-founded the House Technology Transfer Caucus, singled out
this and a few other innovation-themed recommendations for Trump's
administration mentioned in a report from the ITIF and the Brookings
Institution.

He also advocated for creating an Energy Department-based nonprofit that
could dole out funds to transition technology out of federal research labs
and into the marketplace. Lujan said he's working on legislation that would
encourage Energy to promote partnerships with local economic development
groups including maker-spaces.

Other specific recommendations mentioned in the report include encouraging
student entrepreneurship and increasing research and development tax credit
generosity.


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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Eric Charles]

The comparison of Meryl Streep to Klemperer or von Galen seems more
baffling to me than the original conversation. As some on social media have
been pointing out, she stood in a room full of like minded people, and
spoke their collective mind, with no risk to her career or her person. She
didn't say anything not being chanted from the rooftops by hundreds of
thousands of other people, and said publically, by prominent celebrities
and members of the press every day.

Are we really worried Meryl will be disappeared in the coming weeks, and
gassed? Are we worried she will be hit with false charges, arrested without
trial, and have her properties become forfeit to the state? Are we even
worried she might be blacklisted and never act again? And even if she did,
are we worried she won't be able to get by in this world and support her
family with the $75 million she already has? Those are honest questions.

Maybe I'm very confused about what "courageous" means. I would consider the
average BLM marcher, or women's march participant, more courageous. They
could be attacked by police or counter protesters, they could be
arrested, they could be fired from their jobs, they could become ostracized
by their communities, etc. Heck, Jill Stein got herself arrested at
Standing Rock and hardly anyone seemed to notice. I'm not saying Meryl
didn't give a good speech, or that it was unimportant, but I honestly
wonder what risk we really think she faces as a result of that speech,
which leads us to dub her act so courageous, and to compare it to the
actions of the other individuals mentioned.



---
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Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps
<echar...@american.edu>

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:

> Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of
> the few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a
> bishop in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his sermons he
> criticized that the Nazis were killing innocent disabled people. The
> program was named T4. The Nazis let him live because he was too popular
> among the people.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen
>
> Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo  (the secret
> state police) in concentration camps and died. In St. Hedwig's cathedral in
> Berlin many of those are mentioned on memorial plagues. While it may be
> futile to resist, those who have the courage to do it are not forgotten.
>
> It can also help to document the things that are unfolding, the violations
> of human rights, the corruption, and the injustice. In Dresden there was a
> Jewish professor Victor Klemperer who covered the actions of the Nazi
> regime in his diaries and journals. He was an important witness of all the
> injustice that happened.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com>
> Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
> But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis?  I admit
> that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to
> the rest of the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go away.
> But it's not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and stigma
> won't really work on him.
>
> I suppose if we could really confirm that he's a particular type of
> narcissist, then we could build models of what he may or may not do and
> choose actions based on their expected efficacy.  But because, almost by
> definition, everyone who willingly runs for President is a narcissist of
> some sort or other and to differing extent, that diagnosis isn't helpful.
>
> Listening to the confirmation hearings is more helpful, I think.  Take
> note of all the (many) issues where Trump and his appointees express
> diametrically opposite positions.  Focus on those fissures.  At best, his
> administration will shatter.  At worst, the more distance you can put
> between the incompetent Cheeto and the competent people surrounding him,
> the more likely we'll end up with a Bush2 or a late-stage-Reagan ... maybe
> not good, but not catastrophic.
>
> On 01/11/2017 03:34 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> > Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic
> person on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of
> Trump boils down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me,
> myself and I, you loser". There is no way how he can make the country great
> again. As Paul Krugman said America will turn into so

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Eric Charles]

Jochen,
So much of that exists by default though. I find it distasteful to see the
president's picture in post offices and the governors' pictures at the
department of motor vehicles. If Trump has his pictures there, but they are
five times bigger, I won't be significantly more distasteful. And if I
drive to Yellowstone, and it says "Welcome to The Trump Yellowstone
Experience", it won't give me nightmares. To the extent that it is
tasteless, it is also inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. At
least, it won't worry me on anything like the magnitude of worry some seem
to be experienced while noting that the nuclear football follows him
around. And, as I said, to the extent that his pride is locked into people
thinking highly of The Trump Presidency Experience, one would expect a
functional narcissist to be ruthless in ensuring that things went in ways
that would continue to garner public adoration which generally (but not
always) means running the country as well as possible.

To the extent that, as you say, "Marketing is no way to make America great
again", it is hard to view Obama's Peace Prize as anything other than
marketing at this point, and many seemed to think at the time that the he
had somehow made us great before even entering office. Marketing has
(unfortunately) been an increasingly important part of the job for a long
time now, and if it something that is going to be done, it doesn't bother
me that it will now being done more openly.


---
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Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps
<echar...@american.edu>

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:

> Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic
> person on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of
> Trump boils down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me,
> myself and I, you loser". There is no way how he can make the country great
> again. As Paul Krugman said America will turn into some form of
> authoritarianism, into a Trumpistan nightmare at best.
>
> Mr. Trump does not only have a brand, he *is* a brand, a brand that says
> "I'm great". If you stay in this Trump hotel you are great. If you play on
> this Trump golf course you are great, too. But it is just a facade. It is
> based on lies, and there is nothing behind the shiny facade except
> emptiness. Therefore he seems to hit back immediately if someone damages
> his image and his brand, because he ceases to exist if his image is
> destroyed. He and his brand have become undistinguishable.
>
> Marketing is no way to make America great again, Google has already an OS
> for ads, and the American corporations excel in marketing, especially the
> fast food chains. What will he do, build a Trump hotel in every city, a
> Trump golf course in every national park? This would be a total Trumpistan
> nightmare. Better than the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a
> future...
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Eric Charles <eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com>
> Date: 1/11/17 22:08 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
> This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of
> analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular
> strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those
> third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's
> narcissism to effectively feed off of the success of the country (which he
> seems quite willing to do), things will probably go quite well. To the
> extent that he is able to look at Putin and say "Who care's what you think?
> I'm president of the U.S., which is doing great by the way, terrific, and
> you are at the top of a crumbled empire," I don't think there is any risk
> of reaching for the football. A nuclear bomb wouldn't be good for the stock
> market, wouldn't help real estate prices, wouldn't help convince Ford to
> move that factory to the U.S., where Trump could do a ribbon cutting in
> front of an adulating crowd.
>
> People keep saying that he is quick to anger, holds grudges, goes on the
> attack to much, but, frankly, we are mostly talking about tweets here. Has
> he ever bought a company just to fire someone? Is there an implication he
> has ever had people killed who were suing him (something well within his
> financial means)? Has he started a company to bankrupt someone else in the
> same niche who pissed him off? Are we really afraid he will go from tweet
> to nuclear launch with no escalation in between? What past history
> of escalation do we have 

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Jochen Fromm]

Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of the 
few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a bishop 
in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his sermons he criticized that 
the Nazis were killing innocent disabled people. The program was named T4. The 
Nazis let him live because he was too popular among the people. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen
Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo  (the secret 
state police) in concentration camps and died. In St. Hedwig's cathedral in 
Berlin many of those are mentioned on memorial plagues. While it may be futile 
to resist, those who have the courage to do it are not forgotten. 
It can also help to document the things that are unfolding, the violations of 
human rights, the corruption, and the injustice. In Dresden there was a Jewish 
professor Victor Klemperer who covered the actions of the Nazi regime in his 
diaries and journals. He was an important witness of all the injustice that 
happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer
-J.

 Original message From: glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> Date: 
1/12/17  02:07  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally 
ill? 

But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis?  I admit that 
I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to the rest of 
the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go away.  But it's not 
likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and stigma won't really work 
on him.

I suppose if we could really confirm that he's a particular type of narcissist, 
then we could build models of what he may or may not do and choose actions 
based on their expected efficacy.  But because, almost by definition, everyone 
who willingly runs for President is a narcissist of some sort or other and to 
differing extent, that diagnosis isn't helpful.

Listening to the confirmation hearings is more helpful, I think.  Take note of 
all the (many) issues where Trump and his appointees express diametrically 
opposite positions.  Focus on those fissures.  At best, his administration will 
shatter.  At worst, the more distance you can put between the incompetent 
Cheeto and the competent people surrounding him, the more likely we'll end up 
with a Bush2 or a late-stage-Reagan ... maybe not good, but not catastrophic.

On 01/11/2017 03:34 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic 
> person on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of Trump 
> boils down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me, myself and I, 
> you loser". There is no way how he can make the country great again. As Paul 
> Krugman said America will turn into some form of authoritarianism, into a 
> Trumpistan nightmare at best. 
> Mr. Trump does not only have a brand, he *is* a brand, a brand that says "I'm 
> great". If you stay in this Trump hotel you are great. If you play on this 
> Trump golf course you are great, too. But it is just a facade. It is based on 
> lies, and there is nothing behind the shiny facade except emptiness. 
> Therefore he seems to hit back immediately if someone damages his image and 
> his brand, because he ceases to exist if his image is destroyed. He and his 
> brand have become undistinguishable.
> Marketing is no way to make America great again, Google has already an OS for 
> ads, and the American corporations excel in marketing, especially the fast 
> food chains. What will he do, build a Trump hotel in every city, a Trump golf 
> course in every national park? This would be a total Trumpistan nightmare. 
> Better than the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a future...


-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Jochen Fromm]

Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic person 
on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of Trump boils 
down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me, myself and I, you 
loser". There is no way how he can make the country great again. As Paul 
Krugman said America will turn into some form of authoritarianism, into a 
Trumpistan nightmare at best. 
Mr. Trump does not only have a brand, he *is* a brand, a brand that says "I'm 
great". If you stay in this Trump hotel you are great. If you play on this 
Trump golf course you are great, too. But it is just a facade. It is based on 
lies, and there is nothing behind the shiny facade except emptiness. Therefore 
he seems to hit back immediately if someone damages his image and his brand, 
because he ceases to exist if his image is destroyed. He and his brand have 
become undistinguishable.
Marketing is no way to make America great again, Google has already an OS for 
ads, and the American corporations excel in marketing, especially the fast food 
chains. What will he do, build a Trump hotel in every city, a Trump golf course 
in every national park? This would be a total Trumpistan nightmare. Better than 
the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a future...
-J.

 Original message From: Eric Charles 
<eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> Date: 1/11/17  22:08  (GMT+01:00) To: The 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: 
[FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? 
This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of 
analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular 
strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those 
third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's 
narcissism to effectively feed off of the success of the country (which he 
seems quite willing to do), things will probably go quite well. To the extent 
that he is able to look at Putin and say "Who care's what you think? I'm 
president of the U.S., which is doing great by the way, terrific, and you are 
at the top of a crumbled empire," I don't think there is any risk of reaching 
for the football. A nuclear bomb wouldn't be good for the stock market, 
wouldn't help real estate prices, wouldn't help convince Ford to move that 
factory to the U.S., where Trump could do a ribbon cutting in front of an 
adulating crowd. 
People keep saying that he is quick to anger, holds grudges, goes on the attack 
to much, but, frankly, we are mostly talking about tweets here. Has he ever 
bought a company just to fire someone? Is there an implication he has ever had 
people killed who were suing him (something well within his financial means)? 
Has he started a company to bankrupt someone else in the same niche who pissed 
him off? Are we really afraid he will go from tweet to nuclear launch with no 
escalation in between? What past history of escalation do we have to suggest 
that is a thing to worry about? And, in the mean time, might we not get some 
countries to the bargaining table based on the perception that Trump won't rule 
nuclear launch out, who might not be dealing with us otherwise? 
If we are lucky, we have an effective narcissist on our side. If we are unlucky 
we have a reasonably competent businessman, in way over his head. Either way, 
I'm not worried he'll launch a nuke in week 2. 


---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?
Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there i

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Marcus Daniels]

A better example might be something like the ACA.  The ACA required Obama to 
make compromises, expend political capital, and play a longer game all while 
taking constant abuse for it.   Or deciding how to balance national and global 
interests in places like Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan.   Tasks that are 
analytical and calculated and in the interest of the many aren’t always popular 
decisions at first.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of 
analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular 
strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those 
third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's 
narcissism to effectively feed off of the success of the country (which he 
seems quite willing to do), things will probably go quite well. To the extent 
that he is able to look at Putin and say "Who care's what you think? I'm 
president of the U.S., which is doing great by the way, terrific, and you are 
at the top of a crumbled empire," I don't think there is any risk of reaching 
for the football. A nuclear bomb wouldn't be good for the stock market, 
wouldn't help real estate prices, wouldn't help convince Ford to move that 
factory to the U.S., where Trump could do a ribbon cutting in front of an 
adulating crowd.

People keep saying that he is quick to anger, holds grudges, goes on the attack 
to much, but, frankly, we are mostly talking about tweets here. Has he ever 
bought a company just to fire someone? Is there an implication he has ever had 
people killed who were suing him (something well within his financial means)? 
Has he started a company to bankrupt someone else in the same niche who pissed 
him off? Are we really afraid he will go from tweet to nuclear launch with no 
escalation in between? What past history of escalation do we have to suggest 
that is a thing to worry about? And, in the mean time, might we not get some 
countries to the bargaining table based on the perception that Trump won't rule 
nuclear launch out, who might not be dealing with us otherwise?

If we are lucky, we have an effective narcissist on our side. If we are unlucky 
we have a reasonably competent businessman, in way over his head. Either way, 
I'm not worried he'll launch a nuke in week 2.



---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm 
<j...@cas-group.net<mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:
I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand:

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

-Jochen





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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Jochen Fromm]

What's the point of diagnosing him? Protest. Resistance. Revelation. Isn't it 
alarming enough that the country is sliding into an authoritarian state? It is 
even worse if the president is mentally ill. I have never participated in a 
demonstration, but if this would happen here, I would demonstrate every day I 
could afford. In a country with thousands of nuclear weapons an evil president 
can do much more harm than a good president can do good. He can ruin the whole 
world and tumble into the abyss, dragging the whole world with him.
-J.

 Original message From: Carter Charbonneau <zcart...@gmail.com> 
Date: 1/11/17  17:10  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity 
Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president 
mentally ill? 
http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/
Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?
On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?
Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
-Jochen





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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Eric Charles]

This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of
analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular
strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those
third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's
narcissism to effectively feed off of the success of the country (which he
seems quite willing to do), things will probably go quite well. To the
extent that he is able to look at Putin and say "Who care's what you think?
I'm president of the U.S., which is doing great by the way, terrific, and
you are at the top of a crumbled empire," I don't think there is any risk
of reaching for the football. A nuclear bomb wouldn't be good for the stock
market, wouldn't help real estate prices, wouldn't help convince Ford to
move that factory to the U.S., where Trump could do a ribbon cutting in
front of an adulating crowd.

People keep saying that he is quick to anger, holds grudges, goes on the
attack to much, but, frankly, we are mostly talking about tweets here. Has
he ever bought a company just to fire someone? Is there an implication he
has ever had people killed who were suing him (something well within his
financial means)? Has he started a company to bankrupt someone else in the
same niche who pissed him off? Are we really afraid he will go from tweet
to nuclear launch with no escalation in between? What past history
of escalation do we have to suggest that is a thing to worry about? And, in
the mean time, might we not get some countries to the bargaining table
based on the perception that Trump won't rule nuclear launch out, who might
not be dealing with us otherwise?

If we are lucky, we have an effective narcissist on our side. If we are
unlucky we have a reasonably competent businessman, in way over his head.
Either way, I'm not worried he'll launch a nuke in week 2.



---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Carter, 

 

Well, fair question.  My basic premise here is that if one  understands a bad 
situation, one can take steps to ameliorate it.  My mood is to retreat into 
philosophy for the next 4 years.  At my age,  I don’t really expect to survive 
them, in any case, so that is a very comfortable place to go.  But what ABOUT 
the grandchildren?   So, what can I do?  Well, one thing I can do is convince 
Merle that this isn’t an ordinary political situation.  That mean and dumb 
(Pence) really would be better than smart and delusional (Trump).  

 

Nick 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carter Charbonneau
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:30 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

Are you actually going to make different predictions than you did before this 
occurred to you?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

C.  explanation ==> prediction ==>control N

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','friam-boun...@redfish.com');> ] On Behalf Of 
Carter Charbonneau
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','friam@redfish.com');> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/

Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?

On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@cas-group.net');> > wrote:

I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

 

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

 

-Jochen

 

 

 



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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[glen ☣]

Awesome contribution, Steve!  There's so much to both agree and argue with, I 
simply must indulge.

I think there's more substance to the "peaceful transition of power" rhetoric 
than we're all giving credit, here.  Yes, each new President can destroy the 
world.  And leaving the selection of people to wield such power up to such a 
Rube Goldberg machine like our money-is-speech constitutional republic 
semi-democracy is very scary.  But none of this implies, in any way, that we 
should buy into the rampant over-diagnosis of every little behavioral trait as 
a disease.  (Gee, I like my coffee black... I must be have black-coffee-liking 
syndrome.)  People wonder why we have a health care crisis ... it's partly 
because our knowledge (both scientific and engineering (including medicine)) is 
like a fractal.  It's intricate and you can follow any path for your entire 
life.  And many paths are very weakly justified, if at all.  (Fake news is 
nothing more than part of the same phenotype as pseudo-science and quackery.)  
We design and prescribe drugs for every little trait.  We extract and 
re-package molecules to sell as "vitamins" and supplements.  We scoff at chop 
grinders and establish our tribe with our burr grinders.

In the end, there are only 2 types of us: Type_1) those who have faith in 
things like the Singularity or God and Type_2) those of us who relish the 
bubbling cauldron of stew we live in.  I pride myself on my ability to switch 
modes, much like I take pride in my willingness to defend (however 
incompetently) things like Post Modernism when all my friends start trashing 
it. >8^)

The reigning advice is: Don't freak out.  Type_1's: find the things you can do 
to reify your Deity, given the current state, and do them.  Type_2's: Scoop up 
a fresh ladle and enjoy, because you'll be dead soon.

And finally, having Trump as president will either _falsify_ or validate our 
recent pop culture trends (e.g. heaping meritless reward on things like 
Kardashians; isolating out fetishizing singular phenomena, while ignoring their 
context like we idolize singers and ignore the back-up band; distilling and 
extreme-dosing things like resveratrol, etc.).  I welcome the opportunity to 
test my hypothesis that cultural phenomena like Big Brother, Survivor, American 
Idol, Shark Tank, and The Apprentice are vapid wastes of time and energy.  If 
Trump is successful (even if _only_ because he's constrained by the deep 
state), my hypothesis will be weakened (dramatically).  But if he fails in a 
serious way (impeached, nukes the world, etc.), then my hypothesis will have 
more justification than it currently has.



On 01/11/2017 08:34 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> Unfortunately It would appear that blame and stigma are not effective with 
> our president elect who is a brand, who is an empire, who is an icon of 
> narcissistic abuse of others.  I would also appear that he would not accept, 
> much less seek treatment.  I believe this is what makes him "Teflon"... his 
> complete denial (or unawareness) of there being a problem.   "The right way, 
> the wrong way, the Trump way" prevails.  Our new "Narcissist in Chief" is 
> about to take his throne, and as long as he has many subjects to worship him, 
> he will remain there.
> 
> While "the Donald" IS the imminent delivery mechanism of our (potentially 
> devastating) undoing,  it is his myriad supporters from many (expected and 
> not) walks of life who might need treatment or stigmatization.   The "elites" 
> and "bleeding heart liberals"  would be the ones under equal scrutiny about 
> now, had "the Hillary" squeeked into office he way the Donald did.
> 
> I believe we are a nation (world) at risk of collapsing under our own 
> Neuroses.  I offer the Buddhist concept that we all see the world as we 
> choose to, roughly in one of the four categories: "World as Battleground;  
> World as Trap;  World as Lover; World as Self".   I have aligned myself 
> modestly with the "elites and bleeding hearts" to the extent that they tend 
> to choose the latter 2 over the former and avoid the "self righteous right" 
> and "knee jerk conservatives" for *their propensity* to frame everything as 
> Battleground and Trap.  My support of Hillary and Obama broke down where they 
> lapsed too far into Battleground/Trap.
> 
> I hope that the "Million Woman March" coming up carries more of the 
> Lover/Self than the Battleground/Trap.  Women (and many others) have good 
> reason to see the Trump Ascendency as a Trap and a Call to Arms, but I 
> believe confrontation alone only propagates the problem.
> 
> After a bad trauma, radical debridement or cauterization, even amputation are 
> often called for.  Ultimately it is the wound/surgery aftercare and systemic 
> support that returns the patient to vital health.   The "make America Great 
> Again" crowd do not nurture nor support, it just isn't in their kit.  The 
> nurturers of our culture need to remain ready to do 

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Steven A Smith]

Carter -

I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion.

   /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should
   address these questions directly. Taking a determinist
   consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We
   should blame and stigmatize people for conditions where blame and
   stigma are the most useful methods for curing or preventing the
   condition, and we should allow patients to seek treatment whenever
   it is available and effective.
   /

Unfortunately It would appear that blame and stigma are not effective 
with our president elect who is a brand, who is an empire, who is an 
icon of narcissistic abuse of others.  I would also appear that he would 
not accept, much less seek treatment.  I believe this is what makes him 
"Teflon"... his complete denial (or unawareness) of there being a 
problem.   "The right way, the wrong way, the Trump way" prevails.  Our 
new "Narcissist in Chief" is about to take his throne, and as long as he 
has many subjects to worship him, he will remain there.


While "the Donald" IS the imminent delivery mechanism of our 
(potentially devastating) undoing,  it is his myriad supporters from 
many (expected and not) walks of life who might need treatment or 
stigmatization.   The "elites" and "bleeding heart liberals"  would be 
the ones under equal scrutiny about now, had "the Hillary" squeeked into 
office he way the Donald did.


I believe we are a nation (world) at risk of collapsing under our own 
Neuroses.  I offer the Buddhist concept that we all see the world as we 
choose to, roughly in one of the four categories: "World as 
Battleground;  World as Trap;  World as Lover; World as Self".   I have 
aligned myself modestly with the "elites and bleeding hearts" to the 
extent that they tend to choose the latter 2 over the former and avoid 
the "self righteous right" and "knee jerk conservatives" for *their 
propensity* to frame everything as Battleground and Trap.  My support of 
Hillary and Obama broke down where they lapsed too far into 
Battleground/Trap.


I hope that the "Million Woman March" coming up carries more of the 
Lover/Self than the Battleground/Trap.  Women (and many others) have 
good reason to see the Trump Ascendency as a Trap and a Call to Arms, 
but I believe confrontation alone only propagates the problem.


After a bad trauma, radical debridement or cauterization, even 
amputation are often called for.  Ultimately it is the wound/surgery 
aftercare and systemic support that returns the patient to vital 
health.   The "make America Great Again" crowd do not nurture nor 
support, it just isn't in their kit.  The nurturers of our culture need 
to remain ready to do what we do as the self-limiting (but possibly 
huge) damage comes to it's logical conclusion.


Carry On,
 - Steve


http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/

Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?

On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" > wrote:


I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists
here you might be interested too?

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to
be fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not
only become a brand, but is nothing but a brand:

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality
disorder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html



2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive
Internet troll

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump



3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to
be fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a
clear need for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him,
which is obviously some form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly
more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep personality
disorder is not harmless at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias


The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings
now, as the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US
has about 2000 nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a
soldier with the nuclear football following the president at all
times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football


-Jochen

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Carter Charbonneau]

Are you actually going to make different predictions than you did before
this occurred to you?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> C.  explanation è prediction ècontrol N
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','friam-boun...@redfish.com');>] *On Behalf
> Of *Carter Charbonneau
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','friam@redfish.com');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
>
> http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/
>
> Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?
>
> On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@cas-group.net');>> wrote:
>
> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
>
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
>
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Nick Thompson]

Merle, 

 

I would find the premises of your response comforting, if I shared them.  But 
the premise of the Jochen’s original post is that he is REALLY crazy.  As in 
delusional, impulsive, paranoid, given to angry rages, un-restrained by such 
considerations as nuclear annihilation.  “What do I need with a country; I’ve 
got my bunker and my girls.”  

 

In the context of the REALLY crazy, the “ordinary-crazy” might seem quite 
refreshing.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:04 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

Some of Obama's foreign policy adventures did great harm to this country.

 

One of the biggest problems with promoting impeachment is that Vice-President 
Pence is a much smarter, more dangerous potential leader. 

 

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Hi, Jochen, 

 

I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and nobody 
bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he cannot do 
anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution.  He then promotes 
riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” imposition of martial law.  
Or, he turns to foreign policy and gets into a lovers spat with Putin and 
reaches for the football.  

 

The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who were as 
afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  Well, nothing bad 
happened because of Obama.  

 

The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to start.  There 
are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally this week, and in 
Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may prevent Trump from doing 
anything legislatively,  it surely does address the existential crisis that 
lurks beyond these early frustrations.  

 

According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent by a 
majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  But notice 
that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if anything, loonier than 
he is, so I very much doubt that any of them would vote to remove him.  Maddis, 
perhaps, but that’s about it. 

 

Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, and a crazy 
President has enormous power to make the country pay for trying. 

 

I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would take the 
kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will back down when he 
sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But what if he’s not a 
rational man?  What then?

 

Nick 

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> >
Subject: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

 

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikiped

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Nick Thompson]

C.  explanation ==> prediction ==>control N

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carter Charbonneau
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/

Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?

On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net 
<mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

 

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

 

-Jochen

 

 

 



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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Carter Charbonneau]

http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/

Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?
On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm"  wrote:

> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Grant Holland]

Jochen, Nick,

I have the same concerns. Thx for speaking up.

Grant


On 1/11/17 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:


Hi, Jochen,

I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and 
nobody bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he 
cannot do anything domestically because … alas …. of the 
constitution.  He then promotes riots in the streets followed by the 
“reluctant” imposition of martial law.  Or, he turns to foreign policy 
and gets into a lovers spat with Putin and reaches for the football.


The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who 
were as afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  
Well, nothing bad happened because of Obama.


The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to 
start.  There are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally 
this week, and in Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may 
prevent Trump from doing anything legislatively,  it surely does 
address the existential crisis that lurks beyond these early 
frustrations.


According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent 
by a majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  
But notice that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if 
anything, loonier than he is, so I very much doubt that any of them 
would vote to remove him. Maddis, perhaps, but that’s about it.


Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, 
and a crazy President has enormous power to make the country pay for 
trying.


I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would 
take the kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will 
back down when he sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But 
what if he’s not a rational man?  What then?


Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 



*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen 
Fromm

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 


*Subject:* [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here 
you might be interested too?


Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be 
fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only 
become a brand, but is nothing but a brand:


1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive 
Internet troll

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be 
fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear 
need for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is 
obviously some form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a 
self-serving bias, and such a deep personality disorder is not 
harmless at all.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, 
as the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 
2000 nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the 
nuclear football following the president at all times. What could go 
wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

-Jochen




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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Merle Lefkoff]

Some of Obama's foreign policy adventures did great harm to this country.

One of the biggest problems with promoting impeachment is that
Vice-President Pence is a much smarter, more dangerous potential leader.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, Jochen,
>
>
>
> I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and
> nobody bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he
> cannot do anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution.  He
> then promotes riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” imposition
> of martial law.  Or, he turns to foreign policy and gets into a lovers spat
> with Putin and reaches for the football.
>
>
>
> The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who were as
> afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  Well, nothing
> bad happened because of Obama.
>
>
>
> The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to start.
> There are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally this week,
> and in Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may prevent Trump
> from doing anything legislatively,  it surely does address the existential
> crisis that lurks beyond these early frustrations.
>
>
>
> According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent by
> a majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  But
> notice that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if anything,
> loonier than he is, so I very much doubt that any of them would vote to
> remove him.  Maddis, perhaps, but that’s about it.
>
>
>
> Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, and a
> crazy President has enormous power to make the country pay for trying.
>
>
>
> I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would take
> the kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will back down
> when he sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But what if he’s
> not a rational man?  What then?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
> Fromm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
>
> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
>
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
>
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

The Permian extinction is a good reference point. During these extinction
disappeared almost all the species in the oceans and almost three of four
terrestrial vertebrate species, almost all the insects and many species of
microorganisms. Maybe Trump will be a disaster, but I am sure that he will
not do it better than Permian extinction. At least he needs to ensure to
mantain some of his buildings standed up.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, Jochen,
>
>
>
> I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and
> nobody bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he
> cannot do anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution.  He
> then promotes riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” imposition
> of martial law.  Or, he turns to foreign policy and gets into a lovers spat
> with Putin and reaches for the football.
>
>
>
> The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who were as
> afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  Well, nothing
> bad happened because of Obama.
>
>
>
> The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to start.
> There are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally this week,
> and in Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may prevent Trump
> from doing anything legislatively,  it surely does address the existential
> crisis that lurks beyond these early frustrations.
>
>
>
> According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent by
> a majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  But
> notice that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if anything,
> loonier than he is, so I very much doubt that any of them would vote to
> remove him.  Maddis, perhaps, but that’s about it.
>
>
>
> Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, and a
> crazy President has enormous power to make the country pay for trying.
>
>
>
> I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would take
> the kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will back down
> when he sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But what if he’s
> not a rational man?  What then?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
> Fromm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
>
> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
>
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
>
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Jochen, 

 

I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and nobody 
bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he cannot do 
anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution.  He then promotes 
riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” imposition of martial law.  
Or, he turns to foreign policy and gets into a lovers spat with Putin and 
reaches for the football.  

 

The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who were as 
afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  Well, nothing bad 
happened because of Obama.  

 

The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to start.  There 
are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally this week, and in 
Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may prevent Trump from doing 
anything legislatively,  it surely does address the existential crisis that 
lurks beyond these early frustrations.  

 

According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent by a 
majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  But notice 
that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if anything, loonier than 
he is, so I very much doubt that any of them would vote to remove him.  Maddis, 
perhaps, but that’s about it. 

 

Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, and a crazy 
President has enormous power to make the country pay for trying. 

 

I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would take the 
kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will back down when he 
sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But what if he’s not a 
rational man?  What then?

 

Nick 

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

 

I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you might 
be interested too?

 

Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be fascinated 
and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become a brand, but 
is nothing but a brand: 

1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump

3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be fulfilled. 
Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need for instant 
retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some form a 
narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep 
personality disorder is not harmless at all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as the 
commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000 nuclear 
weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear football 
following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

 

-Jochen

 

 

 


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