Re: Style * NoHandles bug?

2002-09-17 Thread S. Anderson
On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 11:59:26AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
 On 13 Sep 2002 19:42:26 -0600, S. Anderson wrote:
  
  When I use Style * NoHandles in my .fvwm2rc, CursorStyle definitions
  using xpm don't work anymore, and the border width for windows is set 
  to 1 pixel. You can reproduce by putting just the following in your 
  .fvwm2rc:
  
  # start
  Style * NoHandles
  CursorStyle LEFT/home/sa/.fvwm/cursors/resize_side.xpm
  # end
 
 I think it worked this way always (2.2.x, 2.4.x).
 Without handles it is pretty difficult to determine where a corner
 and where starts and ends LEFT.
 
 If you want cursors on borders you may use this:
 
   Style * Handles
   BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles
 

ok, I assumed Style * NoHandles was supposed to do the same thing as
BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles, which is what I usualy use.

but, I still think there is some wierdness going on here,
for instance if you do this in FvwmConsole:

Style * BorderWidth 5
Style * NoHandles
CursorStyle LEFT  gumby
#or CursorStyle LEFT resize_side.xpm

Then the border cursors work for all existing windows, but when
you open any new windows, the border cursors don't work on the new
windows only.

Is this how its supposed to work?

thanks,
sa
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Compile Issues

2002-09-17 Thread Suzanne Skinner
Fvwm does not compile if Gnome hints and/or EWMH hints are disabled. The
attached patch fixes this.

Also, CFLAGS aren't working at all?

Also also, Fvwm fails to link if compiled without Xinerama, because of the
reference to XineramaQueryScreens (possibly others, haven't checked) in
FScreen.o. Perhaps if -O2 were working it would be safely optimized away...

Suzanne

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--- gnome.h.origTue Sep 17 01:35:59 2002
+++ gnome.h Tue Sep 17 01:35:59 2002
@@ -65,7 +65,7 @@
 #else
 
 #define GNOME_Init()
-#define GNOME_ProcessClientMessage(fwin, ev) 0
+#define GNOME_ProcessClientMessage(fwin) 0
 #define GNOME_ButtonFunc(eventp, w, fwin, context, action, Module)
 #define GNOME_ProxyButtonEvent(ev)
 #define GNOME_ShowDesks(eventp, w, fwin, context, action, Module)
--- ewmh.h.orig Tue Sep 17 01:35:58 2002
+++ ewmh.h  Tue Sep 17 01:35:58 2002
@@ -117,8 +117,8 @@
 /* ewmh_conf.c */
 
 /* ewmh_events.c */
-#define EWMH_ProcessClientMessage(x, y) 0
-#define EWMH_ProcessPropertyNotify(x, y)
+#define EWMH_ProcessClientMessage(x) 0
+#define EWMH_ProcessPropertyNotify(x)
 
 /* ewmh_icon.c */
 #define EWMH_DoUpdateWmIcon(x,y,z)


Re: Style * NoHandles bug?

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 11:54:29PM -0600, S. Anderson wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 11:59:26AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
  On 13 Sep 2002 19:42:26 -0600, S. Anderson wrote:
   
   When I use Style * NoHandles in my .fvwm2rc, CursorStyle definitions
   using xpm don't work anymore, and the border width for windows is set 
   to 1 pixel. You can reproduce by putting just the following in your 
   .fvwm2rc:
   
   # start
   Style * NoHandles
   CursorStyle LEFT/home/sa/.fvwm/cursors/resize_side.xpm
   # end
  
  I think it worked this way always (2.2.x, 2.4.x).
  Without handles it is pretty difficult to determine where a corner
  and where starts and ends LEFT.
  
  If you want cursors on borders you may use this:
  
Style * Handles
BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles
  
 
 ok, I assumed Style * NoHandles was supposed to do the same thing as
 BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles, which is what I usualy use.
 
 but, I still think there is some wierdness going on here,
 for instance if you do this in FvwmConsole:
 
 Style * BorderWidth 5
 Style * NoHandles
 CursorStyle LEFT  gumby
 #or CursorStyle LEFT resize_side.xpm
 
 Then the border cursors work for all existing windows, but when
 you open any new windows, the border cursors don't work on the new
 windows only.
 
 Is this how its supposed to work?

No, that's a bug.  When the CursorStyle command is issued, all the
cursors come back.

Bye

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Re: Compile Issues

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 01:54:56AM -0400, Suzanne Skinner wrote:
 Fvwm does not compile if Gnome hints and/or EWMH hints are disabled. The
 attached patch fixes this.
 
 Also, CFLAGS aren't working at all?

They should be working as usual.  I have disabled them in
configure because they often cause some tests to fail.  How did
you specify the flags?  When I run

  $ make CFLAGS=...

it works as it always did.

 Also also, Fvwm fails to link if compiled without Xinerama, because of the
 reference to XineramaQueryScreens (possibly others, haven't checked) in
 FScreen.o. Perhaps if -O2 were working it would be safely optimized away...

Fixed.

 --- gnome.h.orig  Tue Sep 17 01:35:59 2002
 +++ gnome.h   Tue Sep 17 01:35:59 2002
 @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@
  #else
  
  #define GNOME_Init()
 -#define GNOME_ProcessClientMessage(fwin, ev) 0
 +#define GNOME_ProcessClientMessage(fwin) 0
  #define GNOME_ButtonFunc(eventp, w, fwin, context, action, Module)
  #define GNOME_ProxyButtonEvent(ev)
  #define GNOME_ShowDesks(eventp, w, fwin, context, action, Module)
 --- ewmh.h.orig   Tue Sep 17 01:35:58 2002
 +++ ewmh.hTue Sep 17 01:35:58 2002
 @@ -117,8 +117,8 @@
  /* ewmh_conf.c */
  
  /* ewmh_events.c */
 -#define EWMH_ProcessClientMessage(x, y) 0
 -#define EWMH_ProcessPropertyNotify(x, y)
 +#define EWMH_ProcessClientMessage(x) 0
 +#define EWMH_ProcessPropertyNotify(x)
  
  /* ewmh_icon.c */
  #define EWMH_DoUpdateWmIcon(x,y,z)

Applied.

Bye

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CVS domivogt: * Various build fixes.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/09/17 04:26:50

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog 
fvwm   : cursor.c ewmh.h gnome.h 
libs   : FScreen.c 

Log message:
* Various build fixes.
* Fixed CursorStyle being applied to NoHandles windows.

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Re: Style * NoHandles bug?

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:04:12AM +0200, fvwm-workers wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 11:54:29PM -0600, S. Anderson wrote:
  On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 11:59:26AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
   On 13 Sep 2002 19:42:26 -0600, S. Anderson wrote:

When I use Style * NoHandles in my .fvwm2rc, CursorStyle definitions
using xpm don't work anymore, and the border width for windows is set 
to 1 pixel. You can reproduce by putting just the following in your 
.fvwm2rc:

# start
Style * NoHandles
CursorStyle LEFT/home/sa/.fvwm/cursors/resize_side.xpm
# end
   
   I think it worked this way always (2.2.x, 2.4.x).
   Without handles it is pretty difficult to determine where a corner
   and where starts and ends LEFT.
   
   If you want cursors on borders you may use this:
   
 Style * Handles
 BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles
   
  
  ok, I assumed Style * NoHandles was supposed to do the same thing as
  BorderStyle -- HiddenHandles, which is what I usualy use.
  
  but, I still think there is some wierdness going on here,
  for instance if you do this in FvwmConsole:
  
  Style * BorderWidth 5
  Style * NoHandles
  CursorStyle LEFT  gumby
  #or CursorStyle LEFT resize_side.xpm
  
  Then the border cursors work for all existing windows, but when
  you open any new windows, the border cursors don't work on the new
  windows only.
  
  Is this how its supposed to work?
 
 No, that's a bug.  When the CursorStyle command is issued, all the
 cursors come back.

Fixed.

Bye

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Re: Compile Issues

2002-09-17 Thread Ulrich Fahrenberg
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Dominik Vogt wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 01:54:56AM -0400, Suzanne Skinner wrote:

  Also, CFLAGS aren't working at all?

 They should be working as usual.  I have disabled them in
 configure because they often cause some tests to fail.  How did
 you specify the flags?  When I run

   $ make CFLAGS=...

 it works as it always did.

If I understand the True Gnu Way Of Doing Things right, configure
should read any CFLAGS (and CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS and ...) you have set
in your shell and write them to the appropriate Makefiles, such that
afterwards,

make CFLAGS=$CFLAGS

should be equivalent to simply saying

make

, and
make CFLAGS=aVerySpecialFlag

would be the same as

make CFLAGS=aVerySpecialFlag $CFLAGS

Of course there can be good reasons to disable CFLAGS recognition in
configure, but then things do not work the True Gnu Way anymore (which
is not A Bad Thing, but maybe it deserves to be mentioned in the
INSTALL file).

Just my 2c,
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Re: Compile Issues

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 12:44:03PM +0200, Ulrich Fahrenberg wrote:
 On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Dominik Vogt wrote:
 
  On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 01:54:56AM -0400, Suzanne Skinner wrote:
 
   Also, CFLAGS aren't working at all?
 
  They should be working as usual.  I have disabled them in
  configure because they often cause some tests to fail.  How did
  you specify the flags?  When I run
 
$ make CFLAGS=...
 
  it works as it always did.
 
 If I understand the True Gnu Way Of Doing Things right, configure
 should read any CFLAGS (and CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS and ...) you have set
 in your shell and write them to the appropriate Makefiles, such that
 afterwards,
 
   make CFLAGS=$CFLAGS
 
 should be equivalent to simply saying
 
   make

Well, if it's set in your shell, make inherits them automatically
unless you unset them between configure an make.

(testing)

But it doesn't work.  Autoconf seems to override the shell
settings.

 , and
   make CFLAGS=aVerySpecialFlag
 
 would be the same as
 
   make CFLAGS=aVerySpecialFlag $CFLAGS
 
 Of course there can be good reasons to disable CFLAGS recognition in
 configure,

Yes, there is a very good reason:  configure chokes on the -Werror
flag and produces more or less random test results.  This can be
hell to debug.  Maybe I can find a way to enable the original
CFLAGS again before they are placed in the Makefiles.

 but then things do not work the True Gnu Way anymore (which
 is not A Bad Thing, but maybe it deserves to be mentioned in the
 INSTALL file).

Bye

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CVS domivogt: * Enable the original CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS before generating the Makefiles.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/09/17 07:09:53

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog configure.in 

Log message:
* Enable the original CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS before generating the Makefiles.

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CVS domivogt: * Add a warning at beginning of man page that it's generated from .in file.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
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Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/09/17 07:30:02

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog configure.in 
fvwm   : fvwm.1.in 

Log message:
* Add a warning at beginning of man page that it's generated from .in file.

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CVS domivogt: * Allow using buttons other than first in transient FvwmWinList.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/09/17 08:41:51

Modified files:
.  : Tag: branch-2_4 NEWS 
modules: Tag: branch-2_4 ChangeLog 
modules/FvwmWinList: Tag: branch-2_4 FvwmWinList.c 

Log message:
* Allow using buttons other than first in transient FvwmWinList.

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CVS domivogt: * Allow using buttons other than first in transient FvwmWinList.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
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Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/09/17 08:42:00

Modified files:
.  : NEWS 
modules: ChangeLog 
modules/FvwmWinList: FvwmWinList.c 

Log message:
* Allow using buttons other than first in transient FvwmWinList.

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Expose events and menus

2002-09-17 Thread Olivier Chapuis
Hello,

I am not sure that the following problem is new, but I've just not
it (I am currently work on clipping the menu drawing). If the popdown
menu delay is very small, for example with

MenuStyle * PopdownImmediately [,PopupOffSet 0 50, PopupDelayed, PopupDelay 500]

then sometimes menus do not refresh correctly when one of its submenu
pop down. It seems to me that the Expose event that should generate
fvwm (or the server) when a menu pop down is not generated or taken in
account. To see this you should not use an Xserver with BackingStore
enabled.

Olivier
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Warning in .xsession-errors

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Naumann
Hello dear fvwm workers.
I'm a highly satisfied fvwm2 user.

Reproducably, I get the advice in .xsession-errors to report
a 'bug' (?). I don't know whats going on here and I see no
disturbance at all ('xept for the message in .xsession-errors).
So I paste it here:

[FVWM][GetWindowSizeHints]: WARNING Discard or Save Message - KMail window 
0x2a0348b has broken (max_width) size hints
Please send a bug report to the application owner,
you may use fvwm-workers@fvwm.org as a reference.
hint override = 0
flags = 23f
min_width = 419, min_height = 115, max_width = 418, max_height = 114
width_inc = 0, height_inc = -1073749792
min_aspect = 1088063394/1092065668, max_aspect = 140755152/-1073749624
base_width = 1093476281, base_height = 1095207832
win_gravity = 1


Again, I have no issue with this. I do not notice anything strange.
But if you need more information, feel free to contact me and I'm willing
to supply whatever you require.

Regards, Michael

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CVS migo fvwm-web: * regenerated man pages of 2.4.10

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: migo02/09/17 09:54:00

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog 
generated/manpages: FvwmAnimate.html FvwmAuto.html 
FvwmBacker.html FvwmBanner.html 
FvwmButtons.html FvwmCommand.html 
FvwmConsole.html FvwmCpp.html FvwmDebug.html 
FvwmDragWell.html FvwmEvent.html 
FvwmForm.html FvwmGtk.html FvwmIconBox.html 
FvwmIconMan.html FvwmIdent.html FvwmM4.html 
FvwmPager.html FvwmRearrange.html 
FvwmSave.html FvwmSaveDesk.html 
FvwmScript.html FvwmScroll.html 
FvwmTaskBar.html FvwmTheme.html 
FvwmWharf.html FvwmWinList.html 
focus-link.html fvwm-config.html 
fvwm-menu-desktop.html 
fvwm-menu-directory.html 
fvwm-menu-headlines.html 
fvwm-menu-xlock.html fvwm2.html 
fvwm24_convert.html fvwmbug.html 
fvwmrc_convert.html index.html xpmroot.html 
generated/perllib: FVWM::Constants.html FVWM::Event.html 
   FVWM::EventNames.html FVWM::Module.html 
   FVWM::Module::Gtk.html FVWM::Module::Tk.html 
   General::FileSystem.html General::Parse.html 
   index.html perllib2html tutorial.html 
Added files:
generated/manpages: FvwmConsoleC.pl.html FvwmPerl.html 
fvwm-bug.html fvwm-convert-2.2.html 
fvwm-convert-2.4.html fvwm-convert-2.6.html 
fvwm-perllib.html fvwm-root.html fvwm.html 
manpages2html 
Removed files:
generated  : run_man2html.sh 

Log message:
* regenerated man pages of 2.4.10
* replaced run_man2html.sh with a more maintanable perl script manpages2html
* some fixes and improvements in functionality (cross-links) and better colors
* added missing FvwmConsoleC.pl.html
* added new 2.5.x man pages (non-existing in 2.4.x), but they are not really
_ linked from anywhere except for maybe between themselves and from perllib
* updated perllib2html to match more or less manpages2html

I hope noone (Dan) objects these changes.

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Re: Warning in .xsession-errors

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 04:29:31PM +0200, Michael Naumann wrote:
 Hello dear fvwm workers.
 I'm a highly satisfied fvwm2 user.
 
 Reproducably, I get the advice in .xsession-errors to report
 a 'bug' (?). I don't know whats going on here and I see no
 disturbance at all ('xept for the message in .xsession-errors).
 So I paste it here:
 
 [FVWM][GetWindowSizeHints]: WARNING Discard or Save Message - KMail 
 window 
 0x2a0348b has broken (max_width) size hints
 Please send a bug report to the application owner,
   you may use fvwm-workers@fvwm.org as a reference.
 hint override = 0
 flags = 23f
 min_width = 419, min_height = 115, max_width = 418, max_height = 114
 width_inc = 0, height_inc = -1073749792
 min_aspect = 1088063394/1092065668, max_aspect = 140755152/-1073749624
 base_width = 1093476281, base_height = 1095207832
 win_gravity = 1
 
 
 Again, I have no issue with this. I do not notice anything strange.
 But if you need more information, feel free to contact me and I'm willing
 to supply whatever you require.

The application requested a minimum width of 419 pixels and a
maximum width of 418 pixels.  Although fvwm can handle this
situation well, it points out a bug in the application and should
be reported to the KMail developrs.  It usually has no effect for
the user.

Bye

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Re: Expose events and menus

2002-09-17 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 03:56:27PM +0200, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am not sure that the following problem is new, but I've just not
 it (I am currently work on clipping the menu drawing). If the popdown
 menu delay is very small, for example with
 
 MenuStyle * PopdownImmediately [,PopupOffSet 0 50, PopupDelayed, PopupDelay 
 500]
 
 then sometimes menus do not refresh correctly when one of its submenu
 pop down. It seems to me that the Expose event that should generate
 fvwm (or the server) when a menu pop down is not generated or taken in
 account.

Pending Expose events are eaten up in some places.  Try disabling
the flush_expose() and flush_accumulate_expose() calls in menus.c.

 To see this you should not use an Xserver with BackingStore enabled.

Or use a b/d gradient MenuFace.

Bye

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CVS migo fvwm-web: * small bug fix in index

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: migo02/09/17 11:07:32

Modified files:
generated/manpages: index.html manpages2html 
generated/perllib: perllib2html 
Removed files:
generated/manpages: FvwmConsoleC.html 

Log message:
* small bug fix in index
* removed unexisting man page

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Re: CVS migo fvwm-web: * regenerated man pages of 2.4.10

2002-09-17 Thread Dan Espen
FVWM CVS fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes:
 I hope noone (Dan) objects these changes.

I can't tell what part you want me to object to.

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CVS dane fvwm-web: * screenshots/index.html: Add link to freshmeat for CDEmu.

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: dane02/09/17 12:47:23

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog 
screenshots: index.html 

Log message:
* screenshots/index.html: Add link to freshmeat for CDEmu.

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CVS migo fvwm-web: * woops, fixed SYNOPSIS

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: migo02/09/17 13:03:55

Modified files:
generated/perllib: FVWM::Module.html 

Log message:
* woops, fixed SYNOPSIS

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CVS migo fvwm-web: * more fixes

2002-09-17 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: migo02/09/17 13:55:13

Modified files:
generated/perllib: FVWM::Module.html perllib2html 

Log message:
* more fixes

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Re: Compile Issues

2002-09-17 Thread Eric Gillespie
Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes:

 Yes, there is a very good reason: configure chokes on the
 -Werror flag and produces more or less random test results.
 This can be hell to debug.  Maybe I can find a way to enable
 the original CFLAGS again before they are placed in the
 Makefiles.

That is not generally sufficient, nor is setting the variables on
the make command line.  There is a reason for the standard
behavior.  If you have libraries installed outside the standard
search path (/usr), you need to set CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS before
running configure.  The most famous examples are /usr/X11R6 and
/usr/local (yes, i know most (all?) GNU/Linux distributions put
those on the standard search path, but that's just lunacy), but
there are also things like /opt and /usr/pkg (where NetBSD
packages are installed).

And no, it isn't generally sufficient for the configure script to
set the appropriate options itself.  That is necessary for the
standard options (-L and -I), but not sufficient because
sometimes platform- or site-specific settings are needed.  For
example, on NetBSD we always set an rpath with -Wl,-R, but on
Darwin the linker will explode since it has no -R option.
Configure scripts would be a mess if they had to handle this sort
of thing.

I say generally because, in my experience, it is not necessary
to set these variables with fvwm.  I think it's picking up
/usr/{X11R6,pkg}/{include,pkg} from the gtk-config script.  So
the above paragraph may not apply to Fvwm (someone not using the
Gtk stuff will have to comment), but it's good to keep in mind
anyway.  And it may be worth sticking with the standard behavior
so as not to violate the principle of least surprise, if for no
other reason.

As for the -Werror example, that is just user error.  There are
things you need to put into CPPFLAGS (defines and includes), and
there are things you can put in there that will break (code
generation or scanning flags).

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Re: FVWM: planning the 10th fvwm birthday event

2002-09-17 Thread Gregg Dameron
Maybe Mr. Nation could be persuaded to retract feeble and designate his
choice for a new word for F.  Failing that, how about a ballot, with
the FAQ 1.1 choices, plus write-ins (I like Foundry, myself) and a choice
of Keep the mystery.


fvwm-workers wrote:

 On the first of June, 2003, we will be celebrating fvwm's tenth
 birthday.  It may seem an eternity now, but the preparations will
 probably take much longer than I believe right now.  As fvwm is
 mostly about users, I'd like to invite everybody to help planning
 the Grand-Fvwm-Birthday-Event (tm).  I have collected a few vague
 ideas (o = maybe, * = must):

   * Publish some words about fvwm history.
   * Promote the event (magazines, announcement lists, newsgroups).
   * Finish the 2.6 release before that day.
   * Vamp up the web page for the event.
   o Find Robert Nation and get at least a statement from him.
   o Revive the fvwm logo contest a few months before the birthday
 and proclaim the winning logo on the birthday.
   o Create an IRC channel on that day.
   o Make a web page with photographs of the developers.

 Don't hesitate to post your suggestions, comments, offers for help
 or whatever you can think of.

 Although I posted this message on both, the fvwm and the
 fvwm-workers list, I would like to keep this discussion on the
 fvwm-workers mailing list to keep the noise on fvwm low.  Please
 reply to fvwm-workers.

 Bye

 Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Re: FVWM: planning the 10th fvwm birthday event

2002-09-17 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 17 Sep 2002 14:00:26 -0600, Gregg Dameron wrote:
 
 Maybe Mr. Nation could be persuaded to retract feeble and designate his
 choice for a new word for F.  Failing that, how about a ballot, with
 the FAQ 1.1 choices, plus write-ins (I like Foundry, myself) and a choice
 of Keep the mystery.

My choice is a recursive acronym. FVWM == FVWM's Virtual Window Manager.

Regards,
Mikhael.
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Re: planning the 10th fvwm birthday event

2002-09-17 Thread parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote fvwm-workers thusly...

 On the first of June, 2003, we will be celebrating fvwm's tenth
 birthday.  It may seem an eternity now

no kidding...

 (o = maybe, * = must):
 
   * Finish the 2.6 release before that day.

shouldn't that be an maybe item as that release will server nobody
if it would be only in name sake?  i would much prefer a stable
version (any of 2.[45].x) than the _necessary_ 2.6 ...

...of course, if the release just happen to be on the birthday, that
would be another thing.

  - parv

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