Re: Another RAM Question
Howdy, I went through some SDRAM DIMMs I had as spares and found some similar chips. They are not exactly the same, but I can almost certainly give you part of the information about your memory. The -8 is on PC100 memory modules and that makes sense for two reasons. 80 nanoseconds plus a little overhead would be right for a 100 MHz bus. And P2 chips only supported 2 bus speeds. Well, other bus speeds were supported, but depending on the specific chips, there were two maximum speeds. They were either 66 MHz or 100 MHz. My similar modules were made by Infineon in Germany. My similar modules are 64 meg DIMMs and have 8 chips. So, I would guess yours are 32 meg modules. The largest DIMMs I have seen P2 chipsets support were 128 MEG. So, I agree with the other assessment. Throw this away and get 256 meg PC133 modules for your G4. Good luck, Ralph On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:06 -0500, Stephen Conrad wrote: Ooops, up the end of the chip it says E04936 Board says this: 16-00640A Rev.A It is out of a Gateway Pentium II Siemens HYB39S63160AT-8 Germany A E814936 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
Thanks for the info . so do you think i should download the patch and try the drive again? I not going to update just yet to OS X as I was told that with the system older hardware I may have problems with using the older versions of the video software and I plan to use this system for doing video. I like to update the hardware like Memory and CPU and video cards but know that I will be limited to the G4 hardware. If Pioneer dives may be one choice could Sony be another ? Are there other brands I can use? I also looking at changing out one of the two or both hard drives (there are 2 IBM IDE Deskstars 60 gigs each) I like to see what i can get out of this box for a bit .. It bring back memories from working at Apple it was hell some time other time it was fun but when you have to fix system after system to get it out the door you get a bit tired. I can say I have personal worked on thousands of G3 G4 and iMacs (pre LCD) Thanks again for the info and by the way I always like the case of the G3 / G4 and was a lost why Apple just dropped them and wonder what ever happen to them. well i searched around and i was shocked to find out what had happen to the Case and what they are being used for now. be warned this is a bad end for such great case.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdliMYpVwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChN4WhWrJQo CC --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
Ha ha That is the funniest thing I have seen in a while. Windows users behold! If you are stressing about yet another BSOD, then Macs to the rescue once again. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 25 2008, CCorsair wrote: Thanks for the info . so do you think i should download the patch and try the drive again? I not going to update just yet to OS X as I was told that with the system older hardware I may have problems with using the older versions of the video software and I plan to use this system for doing video. I like to update the hardware like Memory and CPU and video cards but know that I will be limited to the G4 hardware. If Pioneer dives may be one choice could Sony be another ? Are there other brands I can use? I also looking at changing out one of the two or both hard drives (there are 2 IBM IDE Deskstars 60 gigs each) I like to see what i can get out of this box for a bit .. It bring back memories from working at Apple it was hell some time other time it was fun but when you have to fix system after system to get it out the door you get a bit tired. I can say I have personal worked on thousands of G3 G4 and iMacs (pre LCD) Thanks again for the info and by the way I always like the case of the G3 / G4 and was a lost why Apple just dropped them and wonder what ever happen to them. well i searched around and i was shocked to find out what had happen to the Case and what they are being used for now. be warned this is a bad end for such great case.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdliMYpVwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChN4WhWrJQo CC --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another RAM Question
Thanks! I'll just leave them in the PII. At least now I know (roughly) how much RAM it has in it. On 9/25/08, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I went through some SDRAM DIMMs I had as spares and found some similar chips. They are not exactly the same, but I can almost certainly give you part of the information about your memory. The -8 is on PC100 memory modules and that makes sense for two reasons. 80 nanoseconds plus a little overhead would be right for a 100 MHz bus. And P2 chips only supported 2 bus speeds. Well, other bus speeds were supported, but depending on the specific chips, there were two maximum speeds. They were either 66 MHz or 100 MHz. My similar modules were made by Infineon in Germany. My similar modules are 64 meg DIMMs and have 8 chips. So, I would guess yours are 32 meg modules. The largest DIMMs I have seen P2 chipsets support were 128 MEG. So, I agree with the other assessment. Throw this away and get 256 meg PC133 modules for your G4. Good luck, Ralph On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:06 -0500, Stephen Conrad wrote: Ooops, up the end of the chip it says E04936 Board says this: 16-00640A Rev.A It is out of a Gateway Pentium II Siemens HYB39S63160AT-8 Germany A E814936 -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another RAM Question
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: The -8 is on PC100 memory modules and that makes sense for two reasons. -75 is PC133. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW G3 Firewire
Hi. I know the blue and white G3 doesn't support target mode via firewire, but can it boot from firewire. I have the Tiger DVD restored to my firewire iPod which I use for fast installs, and wanted to install Tiger via this method on a blue and white G3. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3-5 posting delay issues
On Sep 25, 1:29 am, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent a response tonight to the thread Recent Finder Problem at 7:50 PM and received my own response at 11:55 PM, a 4 hour 5 minute delay. In between, I sent a response to Another RAM Question at 9:10 PM 9:39 PM and received both my replies in the exact same minute I sent them. What's the deal? I've noticed if I read G3-5 on the web- based Google Groups site I see quite a few postings from others that I've not received yet, some arriving hours later? I noticed the same problem on Maxlist too. A message showed up on the 23rd that I answered. then only today did it update along with a reply from tortoise on the 24th. It's very strange. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3-5 posting delay issues
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Bucky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed the same problem on Maxlist too. A message showed up on the 23rd that I answered. then only today did it update along with a reply from tortoise on the 24th. It's very strange. This sounds symptomatic of what one experiences when the nannies have secretly put you on moderation -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recent Finder Problem ... Just Busy Behind the Desktop Scene?
At 8:06 PM -0700 9/24/2008, Vic wrote: Yes, I've been getting that, too. On my last generation PowerBook, I've also had repeated kernel panics at the point after login when all the stuff is started. Looking in CrashReporter log tipped me to syslogd. Activity Monitor showed this process hogging 80-100% processor. This is not a new bug (just new to me), and has been documented since the testing versions of Leopard. The goog found me this page: http://www.spockboy.com/blog/archives/8 where I did: [snip] If syslog was hogging, you could have just run the standard maintenance scripts using a tool such as OnyX, instead of cutting off its knees. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recent Finder Problem ... Just Busy Behind the Desktop Scene?
At 7:06 PM -0400 9/24/2008, billycarmacs wrote: On two occasions, since upgrading to 10.5.5, my Finder seems to have gotten into something that keeps it terribly, Beachball Spinning, busy ... The spinning color wheel is presented when the app is waiting for some resource to become available. Today, I moved / installed a Seagate 80GB hard drive from my PowerPC 8500 PCI ATA channel into an External Oxford FW case I used to have a PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D drive in (but moved that one to my QS since it's internal one was failing ... both the same model from 2003) ... When it came up on the Desktop, I did a Get Info then my Finder just went into Busy Mode ... I could open and play iTunes things, open Mail and look around, but couldn't close them ... each got stuck being partially closed ... and then there's the spinning beachball when I navigate to the Desktop ... Take a look in system.log and console.log. There should be information there. Have Activity Monitor running, so you can get to it. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3-5 posting delay issues
At 11:38 AM -0400 9/25/08, Len Gerstel posted: As far as delays, the original poster is not on moderated status, therefore, the fault is most likely in gmail's or the original poster's servers (cox.net). Remember, gmail is still considered beta by Google, even though Google's definition of Beta is their own and not what most people consider the meaning to be. Folks need to expand the headers of incoming messages to see where the delay was. In Eudora, and perhaps other email apps as well, once the headers are expanded (Eudora's Blah Blah button in the upper left of a message opened in its own window), start reading the routing information from the _bottom_ upwards. With gmail delays, I have found 99.999% of the delays are within the google system itself and not out on the net relays or at the receiving ISP. Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Whenever I try to copy stuff from my Smurf to another HD on my network it says it cannot do it and gives an error code of -50 What does this mean and how do I correct it? How are you copying it? What OS is the 'other HD' on your network running? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW G3 Firewire
Hi Simon; Nothing beats Success Just trying to be sure that you didn't run into a hidden 'Gotcha'. With the Tiger Install available via Firewire, the DVD requirement probably wouldn't rear it's head, but I think I remember some 'Video card' requirements. Anyway, like I said, nothing beats 'Success' . Chuck D. On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Chuck I have installed Tiger on these machines before using a DVD. It has a new faster hard drive, a stack of RAM and a 350mhz processor. Tiger runs very smoothly indeed. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: BW G3 Firewire From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25/09/2008 15:23 On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I know the blue and white G3 doesn't support target mode via firewire, but can it boot from firewire. I have the Tiger DVD restored to my firewire iPod which I use for fast installs, and wanted to install Tiger via this method on a blue and white G3. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) Does your G3 support the 'Option Key' on startup, boot selector? If it does, then you probably can boot from the 'FireWire' port. However, the Tiger Image location, is only part of the boot problem. How is the G3 as far as required 'Tiger' hardware? Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3-5 posting delay issues
At 12:29 AM -0500 9/25/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: I sent a response tonight to the thread Recent Finder Problem at 7:50 PM and received my own response at 11:55 PM, a 4 hour 5 minute delay. Kris, please forward that received response to me - with FULL headers. Here's the pertinent Received headers from the copy I got. It shows no delay. (the final header, at my POP3 server) Received: by 10.90.102.2 with SMTP id z2cs4905agb; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (the first header, when you handed it to your SMTP server) Received: from [10.0.1.197] ([24.255.163.186]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Joqc1a00841coHU02oqc80; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -0400 (your Date header, created by your email cilent when it hit the SMTP server) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:50:36 -0500 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
Greetings all, A friend of mine kindly imported (to me in Norway) a Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128 MB video card from the US, for installation into my BW G3. However, I note that on the side of the package that it reads Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128MB VVOD RH NA NTSC 100-436014). I guess that the NA means North America and the NTSC is the North American TV standard (as opposed to the PAL standard elsewhere). So, to my question - will this care work here in Europe with my BW G3 original (European) monitor? I do not intend to hook it up to any regular TV. Alternatively, can one choose a PAL option with this card? TIA and cheers from Tromsø, Peter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
I suspect the NTSC part of the card's designation simply applies to a Super Video out connector. This would be for hooking your computer up to a regular, non-HD TV. I don't think you'll have a problem as long as don't try hooking up the S-Video port on the card. If you do, you'll have to use an NTSC TV as opposed to a European model. If that card doesn't have an S-Video out, I'm not sure why it's designated as NTSC. Eric On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Peter Mc Court wrote: Greetings all, A friend of mine kindly imported (to me in Norway) a Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128 MB video card from the US, for installation into my BW G3. However, I note that on the side of the package that it reads Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128MB VVOD RH NA NTSC 100-436014). I guess that the NA means North America and the NTSC is the North American TV standard (as opposed to the PAL standard elsewhere). So, to my question - will this care work here in Europe with my BW G3 original (European) monitor? I do not intend to hook it up to any regular TV. Alternatively, can one choose a PAL option with this card? TIA and cheers from Tromsø, Peter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
On 25 Set, 19:25, Peter Mc Court [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, A friend of mine kindly imported (to me in Norway) a Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128 MB video card from the US, for installation into my BW G3. However, I note that on the side of the package that it reads Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128MB VVOD RH NA NTSC 100-436014). I guess that the NA means North America and the NTSC is the North American TV standard (as opposed to the PAL standard elsewhere). So, to my question - will this care work here in Europe with my BW G3 original (European) monitor? I do not intend to hook it up to any regular TV. Alternatively, can one choose a PAL option with this card? Yes it will works. And you can also check on pcb if there is a pal/ ntsc jumper. Most of video cards got one --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
Many thanks Eric, Bruce and Duglia for your informative replies, and yes, Duglia, there is indeed an NTSC/PAL jumper on the PCB - Cheers - Peter On 25 Sep 2008, at 20:03, Eric Volker wrote: I suspect the NTSC part of the card's designation simply applies to a Super Video out connector. This would be for hooking your computer up to a regular, non-HD TV. I don't think you'll have a problem as long as don't try hooking up the S-Video port on the card. If you do, you'll have to use an NTSC TV as opposed to a European model. If that card doesn't have an S-Video out, I'm not sure why it's designated as NTSC. Eric On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Peter Mc Court wrote: Greetings all, A friend of mine kindly imported (to me in Norway) a Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128 MB video card from the US, for installation into my BW G3. However, I note that on the side of the package that it reads Mac Radeon 9200 PCI 128MB VVOD RH NA NTSC 100-436014). I guess that the NA means North America and the NTSC is the North American TV standard (as opposed to the PAL standard elsewhere). So, to my question - will this care work here in Europe with my BW G3 original (European) monitor? I do not intend to hook it up to any regular TV. Alternatively, can one choose a PAL option with this card? TIA and cheers from Tromsø, Peter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
On 25-09-2008 17:45, Gabriel Ginez, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Hope someone can help Which PM G4 are you talking about?? A Yikes, Sawtooth, GE, Cube, DA, QS or MDD?? Which OS?? Which videocard?? Which monitor?? Knowing this all, there will be someone who can help. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Peter Mc Court wrote: Many thanks Eric, Bruce and Duglia for your informative replies, and yes, Duglia, there is indeed an NTSC/PAL jumper on the PCB - Cheers - Peter Don't know if you got the card or the whole package with the manual, be aware that you can't use that one to drive all three video ports...you can choose any two of VGA/DVI, VGA/TV or DVI/TV. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
Thanks Jo Not sure what MDD is? If MDD means mirrored door drive than yes it is. Videocard = ATI OS= Vs 10.2.3 Monitor= Apple Studio Display 17 Hope someone out there can help me figure out this flickering monitor problem. Assistance is highly appreicated. Thanks again. -Gabe Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:15:08 +0200 Subject: Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On 25-09-2008 17:45, Gabriel Ginez, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Hope someone can help Which PM G4 are you talking about?? A Yikes, Sawtooth, GE, Cube, DA, QS or MDD?? Which OS?? Which videocard?? Which monitor?? Knowing this all, there will be someone who can help. Jo Hissel _ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Gabriel Ginez wrote: Not sure what MDD is? If MDD means mirrored door drive than yes it is. Videocard = ATI OS= Vs 10.2.3 Monitor= Apple Studio Display 17 Hope someone out there can help me figure out this flickering monitor problem. Assistance is highly appreciated. Sounds like a monitor going bad to me. Perhaps time for a widescreen LCD display? Also, why haven't you upgraded from 10.2.3 to 10.2.8? There were many video related updates in each of the individual updates within Jaguar, and the video update between 10.2.6 10.2.8 was one of the most important. I'd certainly grab the 10.2.8 Combo Update ASAP and get up- to-speed. Better yet, get Tiger 10.4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Hope someone out there can help me figure out this flickering monitor problem. Assistance is highly appreciated. Is your setup (hardware and/or software) new or has it be changed recently? Does it flicker all the time or only during certain operation (s)? Has an electromagnetic device (television, microwave oven, wireless phone, etc.) been place in close proximity? Flicker occurs when cold and/or after warmup? Does the ambient temperature affect the flicker? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Hope someone out there can help me figure out this flickering monitor problem. Assistance is highly appreciated. This is an excerpt from your ASD manual: The screen flickers. • The flickering could be caused by interference from a nearby power line, a fluorescent light, or an electrical device—for example, a radio, a microwave oven, or other computer equipment. Try relocating nearby electrical devices, or moving your computer and monitor. • If you have more than one monitor attached to your computer, the monitors might be interfering with one another. Move the monitors farther apart or set the monitors at an angle, so their screens are close and their back panels are farther apart. If you still see flickering after moving the monitors more than 16 inches apart, contact an Apple-authorized dealer or service provider. • Your monitor may flicker if you have chosen a resolution with a refresh rate of 60 hertz or below. You may be able to change to a resolution with a higher refresh rate using the Monitors Sound control panel. Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
It does seem to act up more when the temperatures rise. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:15:11 -0400 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Hope someone out there can help me figure out this flickering monitor problem. Assistance is highly appreciated. Is your setup (hardware and/or software) new or has it be changed recently? Does it flicker all the time or only during certain operation (s)? Has an electromagnetic device (television, microwave oven, wireless phone, etc.) been place in close proximity? Flicker occurs when cold and/or after warmup? Does the ambient temperature affect the flicker? Deaner _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3-5 posting delay issues
At 12:17 PM -0400 9/25/2008, Dan wrote: At 12:29 AM -0500 9/25/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: I sent a response tonight to the thread Recent Finder Problem at 7:50 PM and received my own response at 11:55 PM, a 4 hour 5 minute delay. Kris, please forward that received response to me - with FULL headers. Kris forwarded the headers to me. Of note is: Received: from yx-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.44.24]) by eastrmimpi05.cox.net [...] Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:55:51 -0400 Received: by yx-out-2122.google.com [...] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.192.1 [...]; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:51:02 -0700 (PDT) The lower header show when the relay received the message from Goggle Groups and began fanning it out to its destinations. The middle header, in my copy of the message, shows it immediately going to a Gmail server. In Kris', it went to a relay system called vx-out-2122 - but took several hours to get there. The higher header is where the message was handed to cox.net - one second later. So it looks like the delay was internal to Google, within their Groups infrastructure. vx-out was either down or too bogged to accept the message... Now much can be done about this, but we should probably watch to make sure messages aren't being lost. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: 10.2.8 Its running as I can see it Drag the file onto the icon for the other HD Ugh, that sux. I've only ever run into that error with samba shares, and it's because the share was messed up. FWIW it's a no brainer to try the fixgo to the 10.2 machine, stop the file sharing, restart the computer and re-share the drive. ON the other one, restart the computer and re-attach the shared Mac volume. This is what works with flaky samba shares, particularly on older macs. I've no clue whether this will work for afp shares, though. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
At 15:30 -0700 9/25/08, Bruce Johnson wrote: This is what works with flaky samba shares, particularly on older macs. I've no clue whether this will work for afp shares, though. With the introduction of 10.4 Apple disabled file transfer and sharing over the older version of afp that used AppleTalk either over twisted pair localtalk or AppleTalk over ethernet. It made it impossible to connect OS neXt to systems earlier than OS 8.5 without purchasing proprietary software from OpenDoor. In OS 8 or 9 and possibly OS 10.2 you have to enable AppleTalk over IP, internet protocol. It's a deliberate selection in a preference somewhere that has to be set and may not be the default in OS 10.2. Personally I have discovered the scp capability of Openssh which is delivered with essentially all versions of OS neXt. It works with a whole lot of boxes. But you do have to use a command line or a hand-written AppleScript. If scp doesn't work, think OS 7, curl will but it's not very secure. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
10.2.8 Its running as I can see it Drag the file onto the icon for the other HD On 9/25/08, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Whenever I try to copy stuff from my Smurf to another HD on my network it says it cannot do it and gives an error code of -50 What does this mean and how do I correct it? How are you copying it? What OS is the 'other HD' on your network running? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Has anyone had a flicker problem on their G4 Power PC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Gabriel Ginez wrote: It does seem to act up more when the temperatures rise. Based on the above info I think the internal fluorescent bulbs and/or the inverter may be failing. Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
Ok so if I want to use and burn with the Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-109 I need to Get Patchburn ? Is ther version of Patchburn for OS 9.2.2? I like to get a list of Known DVD/DVR that work with this systems this would help as I cn get drive at OEM price and just need a model# to order them from my shop. BTW if did give better details on the system here they are This is Power MAC G4 siver tower(not the Quicksilver) this is the digital audio model that was before the Quick silver the system was running OS 9.1.1 and has been updated the system has 256 megs of PC 133 ram 2 60 or 80 gig hard drives(have to check that again) both are IBM DeskStars I like to replace both or one with larger drives so i like Western Digital drives but not sure if current IDE will run on this bus on the motherboard . The system had Final Cut 2 and a ton of other video software I don't think would run under OS X. this system came with two keyboards one the stander one and one button clear mouse the other one set up for the video editing software. No flat screen (sigh) the Monitor is a big gread 19' monster I would have loved years again but now see it as some thing just too big and heavy the system was bought from BH Video about 5 years or so back and was use d like one to two time and then sat gathering dust..I blown tons off the system inside still clean very little dust The paid over $7 for the whole system(the shipping had to be a big part as it came to Calif from NY) I was give it to use to make videos and need that DVD drive back up and running the one tha came in it was super drive and a Pioneer model but I have had the time to get the model number. It worked once to burn the said and they never burnt another CD so no one knows when it died or why ..it power up but can not read ANY media. it ejects any CD/DVD put in it so I think read error on the head (early DVD drive wre very sensitive to movement) I don't know this model very well as it when into production after I left Apple here in Elk Grove but i know it was being back boxed her with the Cube( than i did get to play with in Black box it ws cool unit) I worked Night shift and got to see and lot and work on lot that is now some great stories.. the candy iMacs alone are a nightmare of stories.(something for later) the 733mhz CPU has the fan and i note clear plastic cover to better cool the CPU The 2 video cards are a stander 32 meg Nvida card and the second is a 32 Meg Matrox video card this is a stander card used by video editors and systems both PC and Mac. I like to replace on of both with cards that have more power and or memory . Other this is the 1.5 megs on the memory the true limit/ the are 3 slots and they're are 1gig PC133 and there was not at the time of this system production but I know the mac have gone on to out perform specs Ok thanks CC --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:54 PM, CCorsair wrote: Ok so if I want to use and burn with the Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-109 I need to Get Patchburn ? Only if you want to use the Apple-provided utility. If you want to use Toast, then (almost) all drives are supported without further action on your part. Is ther version of Patchburn for OS 9.2.2? No, just for 10.1/10.2 (obsolete, and no longer available for download), 10.3 (still available but not updated) and 10.4 (still available and possibly updated). Apple added just about every drive there is (or was) for 10.5. I like to get a list of Known DVD/DVR that work with this systems this would help as I cn get drive at OEM price and just need a model# to order them from my shop. BTW if did give better details on the system here they are DVR-109, DVR-110, DVR-111, for sure, and current model Lite-Ons, for sure. Probably current model Pioneers and Sonys, too. This is Power MAC G4 siver tower(not the Quicksilver) this is the digital audio model that was before the Quick silver the system was running OS 9.1.1 and has been updated the system has 256 megs of PC 133 ram 2 60 or 80 gig hard drives(have to check that again) both are IBM DeskStars A QS is a DA form-factor unit, but with many internal changes. QS processors may be installed in DAs (with a special cable), but DA processors may not be installed in QSes. Otherwise, one is graphite whereas the other is silver. Oh, the optical drive mount and the Zip drive mount are different (the DA uses the old BW/first Graphite method, the QS uses a method unique to it). I like to replace both or one with larger drives so i like Western Digital drives but not sure if current IDE will run on this bus on the motherboard . Both the DA and QS are amenable to the LBA48 property update method, using TERMINAL, and these updates (one for the HD bus, another one for the optical bus) are the same for both. As long as you don't do a reset-nvram your DA or WS will have large drive support. I have had such support on my lone remaining DA for more than six months and it never goes away as I have not done a reset-nvram in all that time. 750 GB drives are available in PATA, and you can install three such drives in either a DA or a QS. The current drives a very power-saving ... about 12 watts. Older ATA drives took much more power. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:31 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: I have the Pioneer ...109 and needed no extra drivers to burn CD/DVDs with 10.4.x Simple plug 'n play. Which is why I recommend -109, 110 and 111 drives. I have these in all my G4s and in one Intel (the other Intels have Lite-On). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
