Sawtooth P1 burnout advice

[Bill Christensen]

Update:

The power supply itself checks out.  Voltage is good for all pins, 
including the blackend ones.

I'll check various other components separately on another machine 
(processor, RAM, cards), but assuming those are working does anyone 
here know how to diagnose a mobo?


original msg
--

Hi all,

Looks like I have a problem with one of my 'teeth.

It wasn't powering up properly - would start to come on then die 
before any drives came up - and in the process of looking for the 
problem (suspected power supply) I found that three pins on the P1 
power connector are blackened. All are +5 volt (pins 6, 19, and 20) 
according to 
.

Which is the more likely culprit, the power supply or the 
motherboard?  I don't want to risk blowing my spare power supply, or 
the dual 1gig processor on the board for that matter, by cooking 
something further.  I see no other obvious signs of trouble.  No 
charred parts or places where smoke has escaped.

Obviously I need to dig around and find my meter (I think I hid it 
from my 7 year old last time I put it away and now don't remember 
where) to see if the existing ps is still functional.  And i'll 
probably swap the processor for an old 450 single and put the 1gig in 
a different sawtooth to test it.  Any other suggestions on how to 
proceed?

Thanks.
-- 
Bill Christensen


Green Building Professionals Directory: 
Sustainable Building Calendar: 
Green Real Estate: 
Straw Bale Registry: 
Books/videos/software: 

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: AGP 400Mhz Upgrade Options

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 3, 2008, at 2:54 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> What processor upgrade options are available for my PowerMac G4  
> 400Mhz AGP.
>
> I know I can max the RAM to 2GB, but ultimately a faster processor  
> would
> bump the speed. I know they came in 400/450/500Mhz so I could just  
> find a
> 500Mhz chip, but are there any further upgrades available?

Third party, you can go up to to dual 1.8Ghz. 

Of course, you have to be certifiably insane to spend $700 upgrading a  
$50 computer :-)

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs



--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: something weird network preferences

[B]

On 3 oct, 10:48, Charles Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:11 AM, B wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi
>
> > I work on PB 867mhz, 1 ghz ram.  I connected to internet via DHCP and
> > a router, sometimes, when I am outside of my home, I connected with
> > the internal modem.
> > Something weird happens when i open network preferences.  I have this
> > message : network preferences are change by an other application.  I
> > click OK and then the message reappear.  Every time I click OK the
> > message is back.  I can do nothing to make that message dissapear.  I
> > have to force to quit.  I can't see what application cause that.
> > Any idea
> > Thank you
>
> The answer to your problem can be found in:
> "Re: Problem since Security Update 2008-0006PPC", Posted September  
> 30,2008 7:33:15 AM EDT, by Jack Sparrow
>
> HTH
>
> (it does work)
>
> Chuck D.

Thank you very much.
It's exactly what I experienced.  I'll give it a try and sorry i
missed this thread.

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: something weird network preferences

[Charles Davis]

On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:11 AM, B wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I work on PB 867mhz, 1 ghz ram.  I connected to internet via DHCP and
> a router, sometimes, when I am outside of my home, I connected with
> the internal modem.
> Something weird happens when i open network preferences.  I have this
> message : network preferences are change by an other application.  I
> click OK and then the message reappear.  Every time I click OK the
> message is back.  I can do nothing to make that message dissapear.  I
> have to force to quit.  I can't see what application cause that.
> Any idea
> Thank you

The answer to your problem can be found in:
"Re: Problem since Security Update 2008-0006PPC", Posted September  
30,2008 7:33:15 AM EDT, by Jack Sparrow

HTH

(it does work)

Chuck D.

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

something weird network preferences

[B]

Hi

I work on PB 867mhz, 1 ghz ram.  I connected to internet via DHCP and
a router, sometimes, when I am outside of my home, I connected with
the internal modem.
Something weird happens when i open network preferences.  I have this
message : network preferences are change by an other application.  I
click OK and then the message reappear.  Every time I click OK the
message is back.  I can do nothing to make that message dissapear.  I
have to force to quit.  I can't see what application cause that.
Any idea
Thank you
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: G4 startup problems UPDATE!

[Pix4work]

Thank you for your input. Not knowing how to properly identify a
retail Tiger disc, I was sold a grey OSX disc. That indeed may be a
source of the install problems. I am wondering if it's the only reason
the machine will not power up; perhaps Apple has some info doc's on
the subject. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

On Oct 2, 4:09 pm, insightinmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Terry Hirsch wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Greetings,
>
> > I have a G4 DP 500 Mhz., 512 mgs. RAM, ATI Rage 128 Pro video card  
> > and a Western Dig. 20 GB drive. OSX 10.4.9 was installed along with  
> > "bonus" software when I bought the machine off eBay last year.  
> > Recently, just out of nowhere a dialog boxed popped up asking for a  
> > password to my system. Not having one, I contacted the previous  
> > owner who couldn't come up with anything that worked. So, I bought  
> > a retail version of Tiger 10.4 (eBay) and began reinstalling OSX  
> > and that is when various problems began. First of all, the OSX disc  
> > didn't want to install an older version of the OS and several tries  
> > later, it finally accepted a reinstall onto the secondary drive. I  
> > went online and updated it to 10.4.11 along with other files Apple  
> > included and thought I was nearing completion. When I next tried to  
> > install the OS disc on the primary drive, using Erase & Install,  
> > then trying Update several times, the machine kept blowing out the  
> > install after almost completing the process. (I let it check the  
> > install disc for errors just to make sure the disc wasn't faulty.)  
> > The install OSX disc puts up a message to the effect of 'try the  
> > installation again' with a "Restart" button flashing on & off. Just  
> > to check things out, I ran a "Command - V" request at startup and  
> > found a message of the "ATI Rage ndrv old" and said it 'referred to  
> > the registry for updating'. Also, a "Apple PMU::PMU forced  
> > shutdown, cause= -122" was revealed...So, after checking the  
> > meaning of this error message through Apple's online support, it  
> > looks like the power supply MAY be starting to fail. Are there any  
> > more tests I can do to check the power supply? I was hoping to  
> > reinstall the OS and upgrade to a faster machine.
>
> > UPDATE: The front panel power "ON" button only glows briefly, then  
> > goes out; is this a reliable symptom of a failed power supply unit?  
> > I also changed the logic board battery, for what it's worth. Any  
> > help would greatly appreciated.
>
> > Terry
>
> Isn't the ATI Rage Pro 128 an old card to be using with Tiger? might  
> that cause issues with installation?
>
> I tried to use eMac CDs of Tiger on a QS 2002, and needed to hack the  
> OSInstall.dist file to accept the QS as a valid machine. Otherwise it  
> acted like what you were describing ... nearly complete ... and "Try  
> Again". After the hack, I only installed the base system, and that  
> went to an external FW HD. After updating that to 10.4.11, I used  
> CarbonCopyCloner to move it to other machines ... but all of them had  
> an ATI Radeon 7000ME in them. The QS had an agp ATI Radeon 9800Pro.
>
> I would try re-seating the PCI and AGP(?) cards, and maybe even re-
> seat the ATA cables and their power plugs, being careful not to break  
> anything like fragile wiring.
>
> psu-s can be seen 
> at:http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html?
> gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA
>
> although I haven''t bought any from them yet.
>
> Wish I knew more ...
>
> Good luck.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

RE: Drive order on desktop

[diane]

At 10:15 PM +0100 10/2/08, Simon Royal wrote:
>Diane
>
>Have a look under the 'View' menu in finder, select 'Show View Options'.
>
>Select 'Keep Arranged By' and select 'Name'.
>
>Should keep things arranged, always keeps my boot drive at the top, 
>even if my other drive is named something that is lower 
>alphabetically than my boot.


That does seem to work, providing one does it on all boot drives  ;-)

Thanks!

Diane

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: AGP 400Mhz Upgrade Options

[dc]

Check the uni-n # to see if it will support a dual processor. If yes
the dual 500 MHz from a Gig-E will fit right in with no mods needed.
It will be the cheapest upgrade. It will run Tiger easily, I have one
running Leopard but that is borderline on the DP 500.

On Oct 3, 5:54 am, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> What processor upgrade options are available for my PowerMac G4 400Mhz AGP.
>
> I know I can max the RAM to 2GB, but ultimately a faster processor would
> bump the speed. I know they came in 400/450/500Mhz so I could just find a
> 500Mhz chip, but are there any further upgrades available?
>
> Simon
>
> ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears

[Simon Royal]

Hi

I have had a number of iMac G3s and these smell terrible of burning. I changed 
the plastics on one recently and whilst testing it afterward smelt so bad of 
burning plastic I thought I had done something wrong.

But my sons iMac G3 smells just as bad.

Simon

--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
From: Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03/10/2008 11:19


Actually come to think of it (or smell of it) my wife's old G3 iBook started
to smell like B.O. after it was serviced for a new hard drive.  That was
about 2 years ago and it still stinks when you boot it up.  I'm thinking
it's the hard drive because the logic board was replaced twice from two
different service centers and the stink is still there.  Kinda like the
episode of Seinfeld when Jerry's car started to smell bad after the valet
drove it.







--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears

[Arnel Tuazon]

Actually come to think of it (or smell of it) my wife's old G3 iBook started
to smell like B.O. after it was serviced for a new hard drive.  That was
about 2 years ago and it still stinks when you boot it up.  I'm thinking
it's the hard drive because the logic board was replaced twice from two
different service centers and the stink is still there.  Kinda like the
episode of Seinfeld when Jerry's car started to smell bad after the valet
drove it.



--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

AGP 400Mhz Upgrade Options

[Simon Royal]

Hi

What processor upgrade options are available for my PowerMac G4 400Mhz AGP.

I know I can max the RAM to 2GB, but ultimately a faster processor would 
bump the speed. I know they came in 400/450/500Mhz so I could just find a 
500Mhz chip, but are there any further upgrades available?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.



--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a 
group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on 
Power Macs.
The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette 
guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en
Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---