Re: Running a G4 Mac, off Open Firmware.

[Charles Davis]

On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Mullin9 wrote:

>
> Is it possible to run a G4 Mac, without an OS, or a working HDD, by
> using "Open Firmware"?
> I did a few things
> "open cd" open the CD tray.
> "macboot" boots up the Mac.
>
> can I use the "Open Firmware" as an OS, the way I used
> text (command line) linux years ago.?
>
> Thank You
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That depends on what you are willing to accept as 'running'.

'Open Firmware'IS a FORTH operating system.
There are FORTH resources available on-line --- try GOOGLE

To give yourself a tantalizing look at what may be possible, at the  
OF prompt, enterwords (return)

You will have to have at least started to look into FORTH, to make  
much sense, but there is a lot that can be done.

Also, check 'Open Firmware' in Apple's Documentation archives.

HTH  Chuck D.

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Re: With apologies to Prince...

[Mark]

Dennis Myhand wrote:
> Bruce Johnson wrote:
>   
>> This is what it sounds like, when drives die...
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>
> Thanks, Bruce.  My hardware students have been complaining that there is 
> never any examples of what a bad HD sounds like.  Now we have something 
> besides that crashing sound they call music to listen to.  Peace, Dennis
>
>   

Actually, a couple of those samples had a nice beat.

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Running a G4 Mac, off Open Firmware.

[Mullin9]

Is it possible to run a G4 Mac, without an OS, or a working HDD, by
using "Open Firmware"?
I did a few things
"open cd" open the CD tray.
"macboot" boots up the Mac.

can I use the "Open Firmware" as an OS, the way I used
text (command line) linux years ago.?

Thank You
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Re: How do I access Mailboxes?

[Charles Davis]

On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:02 AM, old newbie wrote:

>
>
>
> Brian Christmas wrote:
>> On 15/11/2008, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On my G3, I dutifully add mailboxes to keep my messages in order,  
>>> but
>>> apart from the In, Out, Trash Drafts, and Sent,
>>> I can't find the mailboxes.
>>> Those five are available by using the top bar and clicking "show"  
>>> from
>>> the drop-down.
>>> The Mailboxes icon  alongside the Get Mail icon does nothing at all.
>>> I'm sure I have tried every link, icon, etc. without success.
>>
>>
>> G'day
>>
>> What mail client are you using?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SantaI am using Mail, which is, I think, Apple's default client.

The rest of YOUR mailboxes, are in your Users/(your user name)/ 
Library/Mail/...

HTH

Chuck D.

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Re: With apologies to Prince...

[Dennis Myhand]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> This is what it sounds like, when drives die...
> 
> 
> 

Thanks, Bruce.  My hardware students have been complaining that there is 
never any examples of what a bad HD sounds like.  Now we have something 
besides that crashing sound they call music to listen to.  Peace, Dennis

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With apologies to Prince...

[Bruce Johnson]

This is what it sounds like, when drives die...



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Re: How do I access Mailboxes?

[Brian Christmas]

On 16/11/2008, at 3:02 AM, old newbie wrote:

>
>
>
> Brian Christmas wrote:
>> On 15/11/2008, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On my G3, I dutifully add mailboxes to keep my messages in order,  
>>> but
>>> apart from the In, Out, Trash Drafts, and Sent,
>>> I can't find the mailboxes.
>>> Those five are available by using the top bar and clicking "show"  
>>> from
>>> the drop-down.
>>> The Mailboxes icon  alongside the Get Mail icon does nothing at all.
>>> I'm sure I have tried every link, icon, etc. without success.
>>
>>
>> G'day
>>
>> What mail client are you using?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SantaI am using Mail, which is, I think, Apple's default client.


G'day

On my iMac, 10.5.5, new mailboxes are added using the plus (+) sign at  
the bottom left of the Mail app window.

Is this what you're after?

Regards

Santa


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Re: How do I access Mailboxes?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 15, 2008, at 9:02 AM, old newbie wrote:

>>
>> SantaI am using Mail, which is, I think, Apple's default client.

Your mailboxes are in your users Library/Mail folder.

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Re: How do I access Mailboxes?

[old newbie]

Brian Christmas wrote:
> On 15/11/2008, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > On my G3, I dutifully add mailboxes to keep my messages in order, but
> > apart from the In, Out, Trash Drafts, and Sent,
> > I can't find the mailboxes.
> > Those five are available by using the top bar and clicking "show" from
> > the drop-down.
> > The Mailboxes icon  alongside the Get Mail icon does nothing at all.
> > I'm sure I have tried every link, icon, etc. without success.
>
>
> G'day
>
> What mail client are you using?
>
> Regards
>
> SantaI am using Mail, which is, I think, Apple's default client.
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Re: See You Later...

[Al Poulin]

On Nov 15, 2008, at 4:05 AM, g3-5-list group wrote:

> == 1 of 2 ==
> Date: Fri, Nov 14 2008 2:06 pm
> From: Anne Keller-Smith
>
>
> Heyas, Count me among the confused!
>
> I am on here due to my 733 G4 but recently bought a new 2Ghz iMac for
> my son.
>
> But I don't know what it is, exactly, LOL!

Anne, it can help to compare the info you put in your signature below  
with the info at lowendmac's web site beginning at this page which  
puts things in perspective.  You seem to have the latest Penryn (April  
2008) version:
http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml
>
> BTW, the Macintel list does not have as many posts as this but it's a
> good list, great advice so far.

The Macintel list is really not for you, but you may find something  
interesting on occasion.  It is better to subscribe to the iMac List:
http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml

>
> But now
> that they've decided to take the plunge for Tiger, they are calling me
> twice a day to see if I've procured them the disks.

Have you sorted out whether your parent's iMac has an optical drive  
that will read DVDs?  You are looking for something in the profiles  
info that says DVD, not just CD-RW.
>
>
> Is there a Parents list? This would have many somewhat insane
> subscribers.

You and a few others may wish to no end.

Al Poulin


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Re: G4 startup problems UPDATE!

[k l]

i have tiger with no problem on da 466 mhz - but i had some ramchips that
had to be replaced when upgrading to 10.3.9 or the installer would make the
same spit out before ready install or variation of the same depending on
what os version was installed, some would not even boot.
k

2008/10/3 Pix4work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> Thank you for your input. Not knowing how to properly identify a
> retail Tiger disc, I was sold a grey OSX disc. That indeed may be a
> source of the install problems. I am wondering if it's the only reason
> the machine will not power up; perhaps Apple has some info doc's on
> the subject. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> On Oct 2, 4:09 pm, insightinmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Terry Hirsch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Greetings,
> >
> > > I have a G4 DP 500 Mhz., 512 mgs. RAM, ATI Rage 128 Pro video card
> > > and a Western Dig. 20 GB drive. OSX 10.4.9 was installed along with
> > > "bonus" software when I bought the machine off eBay last year.
> > > Recently, just out of nowhere a dialog boxed popped up asking for a
> > > password to my system. Not having one, I contacted the previous
> > > owner who couldn't come up with anything that worked. So, I bought
> > > a retail version of Tiger 10.4 (eBay) and began reinstalling OSX
> > > and that is when various problems began. First of all, the OSX disc
> > > didn't want to install an older version of the OS and several tries
> > > later, it finally accepted a reinstall onto the secondary drive. I
> > > went online and updated it to 10.4.11 along with other files Apple
> > > included and thought I was nearing completion. When I next tried to
> > > install the OS disc on the primary drive, using Erase & Install,
> > > then trying Update several times, the machine kept blowing out the
> > > install after almost completing the process. (I let it check the
> > > install disc for errors just to make sure the disc wasn't faulty.)
> > > The install OSX disc puts up a message to the effect of 'try the
> > > installation again' with a "Restart" button flashing on & off. Just
> > > to check things out, I ran a "Command - V" request at startup and
> > > found a message of the "ATI Rage ndrv old" and said it 'referred to
> > > the registry for updating'. Also, a "Apple PMU::PMU forced
> > > shutdown, cause= -122" was revealed...So, after checking the
> > > meaning of this error message through Apple's online support, it
> > > looks like the power supply MAY be starting to fail. Are there any
> > > more tests I can do to check the power supply? I was hoping to
> > > reinstall the OS and upgrade to a faster machine.
> >
> > > UPDATE: The front panel power "ON" button only glows briefly, then
> > > goes out; is this a reliable symptom of a failed power supply unit?
> > > I also changed the logic board battery, for what it's worth. Any
> > > help would greatly appreciated.
> >
> > > Terry
> >
> > Isn't the ATI Rage Pro 128 an old card to be using with Tiger? might
> > that cause issues with installation?
> >
> > I tried to use eMac CDs of Tiger on a QS 2002, and needed to hack the
> > OSInstall.dist file to accept the QS as a valid machine. Otherwise it
> > acted like what you were describing ... nearly complete ... and "Try
> > Again". After the hack, I only installed the base system, and that
> > went to an external FW HD. After updating that to 10.4.11, I used
> > CarbonCopyCloner to move it to other machines ... but all of them had
> > an ATI Radeon 7000ME in them. The QS had an agp ATI Radeon 9800Pro.
> >
> > I would try re-seating the PCI and AGP(?) cards, and maybe even re-
> > seat the ATA cables and their power plugs, being careful not to break
> > anything like fragile wiring.
> >
> > psu-s can be seen at:
> http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html?
> > gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA
> >
> > although I haven''t bought any from them yet.
> >
> > Wish I knew more ...
> >
> > Good luck.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
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