Re: Hard drive plate and screw
On May 30, 7:54 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know how to get the screws out? As of now only the center hard drive plate can be removed the others are stuck with the damaged screw heads. Use a sharp edged tool like a small chisel to score a nock from the screwdriver slot to the edge of the screw head. Then, use a small hammer and the edge of a flat blade screwdriver to drive the damaged screw around and around until it comes loose. Be careful placing the edge of the screwdriver blade in the nock that you created so that it will push against the nock instead of slipping out. You might want to use the chisel instead of a flat blade screwdriver since it already fits the nock you made. Be sure that any screw that you use as a replacement has fine threads instead of coarse threads. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
From: Kyle Hansen On 5/30/09 2:56 PM, Alexander MacLeod twocor...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Jeff Smith smith.b.j...@gmail.com wrote: I am between a used 15'' PowerBook G4 1.67Ghz with 2gb ram for around 700 - 800 with 10.4 or a new 15'' MacBook 2Ghz with 2gb ram for around 1200. What about the basic $999 White MacBook? It's the only MacBook that still has a firewire port, which is very important, to me at least. I think that buying any PPC-based Mac at this point is of dubious value. Once Snow Leopard comes out, Apple is officially leaving PPC architecture behind. Also, you can run Windows on the Intel-based Macs (if you must), and boot from USB 2.0 devices as well. I'd go with the White MacBook. Just my $.02. Alex I am an Apple Certified Technician and I agree with Alex. Forward compatibility will be much more in terms of value down the line than the initial investment. I am an Apple Prohibited Person (one expressly forbidden to work on other people's computers with my rough how's your father' ways) and I agree with Alex too if you have the money. If you are making websites for commercial purposes, important to check how they look on what most people have, namely Windows IE 6, 7 and now 8. You can do this on an Intel Mac with Win installed too. I do it by having a cheap winbox just to my left on the floor here and connecting it to one of my screens (which I can switch between digital (the Mac) and VGA (the winbox). PowerPC G5 towers are still a bit pricey anyway. For me, I would rather spend my dough on a G4 MDD or a not-top-of-range G5 PPC with a massive 23 or 24 screen - but that's me. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
i am agree with jonas... if you need real elegant machine i go powerbook 15... if you have budget go mac book pro 15 inch... i do not recommend white book line screen size, firewire, resolution... 2009/5/31 Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com I would go with the PPC PowerBook. I had a 1.83GHZ Core 2 Duo macbook and sold it for a PB 1.67GHZ High-Rez. You can get soo much more out of the powerbook: PowerBook 1.67GHZ DL Superdrive FW 400, 800 DVI out S-Video out Bigger Screen Most of these things, the new macbook won't have. Granted the macbook will be faster, it just won't have as much features as the powerbook. -Jonas On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Will S willsc...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, get the macbook you'll notice a world of difference in terms of value and speed. While the G4 will do everything you want its a dying architecture. Also, did apple officially say PPC macs wont be compatible with Snow Leopard? I'm reasonable sure that Apple has never said anything officially about the requirements for Snow Leopard. It has for a long time been widely speculated that PPC will be left behind with the release of Snow Leopard. As far as I can tell this speculation is based on two things . The developer versions of Snow Leopard only run on MacIntel machines. Second thing is Apples talk of cleaning up the code and making it small fast. I'd say that does tilt the odds to Apple removing the PPC code. However if they wanted to they could make a version that runs on PPC . We should know for sure fairly soon. -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
Put it this way,if PPC is supported I will honestly eat my hat. What are the requirements for 10.5?is it G4 800MHz and up?that's IIRCwhat's the next stepping stone from there?I guess it's G5 and up but really I can only see it leaving PPC behind entirely. just my 2pence :) regards Iain - Original Message From: Jim csf...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2009 12:33:16 AM Subject: Re: PowerBook or MacBook Agreed, get the macbook you'll notice a world of difference in terms of value and speed. While the G4 will do everything you want its a dying architecture. Also, did apple officially say PPC macs wont be compatible with Snow Leopard? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard drive plate and screw (and more screws)
On May 30, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: I just noticed that the G4 Gig-e Mac I have has a problem with 2 of the hard drive plates. You know the metal plates that you attach the hard drives to and then in turn attach these plates inside the bottom of the G4 case. Each plate has one screw that keeps it in place inside the case. I noticed that the screw for 2 of the plates has been damaged. The head of each screw has been damaged to the point where no screw driver bit could ever snugly fit into it to allow you to unscrew the plate. Anyone know how to get the screws out? As of now only the center hard drive plate can be removed the others are stuck with the damaged screw heads. The rear-most drive mount, the one which accepts two drives in a stacked configuration, requires special thin head screws. The screws themselves have a #6-UNC thread, which is a coarse thread (UNC means Unified National Coarse; there are indeed UNF threads, Unified National Fine). The threads are NOT fine, which on a Mac generally means M3-0.5, metric, 3.00mm dia., 0.50mm thread pitch. Optical and Zip drives are the only drives within the desktop and mini-tower series of 60x, G3 and G4 Macs which are mounted using metric fasteners. The hard drives are always mounted using #6-32 UNC (Imperial) fasteners. These thin head fasteners are quite special, and were made for Apple to its specifications. The single-high drive carrier can use conventional head #6-32 UNC screws; it is only the two-high drive carrier which requires the special thin head screws, and even then, these special screws are necessary only when mounting the drive from below. If mounting the drive from the sides, then conventional #6-32 UNC screws may be used. Now, the drive carrier itself is mounted to the base of the mini- tower by screws which _appear_ to be the same as the drive mounting screws, but _these are not the same_; these are M3.5-0.6, metric, 3.50mm dia., 0.60mm thread pitch. M3.5-0.6 fasteners were adopted by Apple in 1984, with the introduction of the very first Mac, the 128K. However, in the very same year, 1984, the M3.5-0.6 fastener size was abandoned as a standard by those countries which endorsed, or mandated metric standards. Consequently, most M3.5-0.6 fasteners are custom made for Apple. No one else that I am aware of uses M3.5-0.6 fasteners in their products. Historically, M3.5 is just about the same diameter as #6, so an M3.5 fastener has just about the same shear strength as a #6 fastener. However, in the post-1984 metric standards, there is no standard fastener size between M3 and M4, and M3 has too low a shear strength, while M4 has too great a shear strength, for many mounting applications. Hence, although it may be archaic, from a metric perspective, to use #6 fasteners for hard drives, this size is still the standard, world-wide. Now, as to the PCI/AGP/PCI-E card mounting screws ... The world-wide standard is also #6-32 UNC. However, in order to keep its products as all-metric as was possible, Apple deviated from the card mounting standard and used M3.5-0.6 fasteners there, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard drive plate and screw
On 31/05/09 5:02 AM, ron ronstei...@mac.com wrote: On May 30, 7:54 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know how to get the screws out? As of now only the center hard drive plate can be removed the others are stuck with the damaged screw heads. Use a sharp edged tool like a small chisel to score a nock from the screwdriver slot to the edge of the screw head. Then, use a small hammer and the edge of a flat blade screwdriver to drive the damaged screw around and around until it comes loose. Be careful placing the edge of the screwdriver blade in the nock that you created so that it will push against the nock instead of slipping out. You might want to use the chisel instead of a flat blade screwdriver since it already fits the nock you made. Be sure that any screw that you use as a replacement has fine threads instead of coarse threads. Thanks! I'll try it today. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
What about a used or refurb MacBook? That would reduce the price difference. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
On May 30, 5:56 pm, Alexander MacLeod twocor...@gmail.com wrote: What about the basic $999 White MacBook? It's the only MacBook that still has a firewire port, which is very important, to me at least. I think that buying any PPC-based Mac at this point is of dubious value. Once Snow Leopard comes out, Apple is officially leaving PPC architecture behind. Also, you can run Windows on the Intel-based Macs (if you must), and boot from USB 2.0 devices as well. I'd go with the White MacBook. Just my $.02. And the early 2009 2.0 GHz model which includes both Firewire and Superdrive is now in closeout at Smalldog Electronics for $899.99. Likely other vendors will be doing the same thing. Apple just made a speed bump on this entry level machine. http://www.smalldog.com/product/73058 Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 upgrade opinions welcomed
The procedure on a Sawtooth was a bit odd, but hopefully you won't have to deal with a programmer's button on a Gigabit. I think the procedure is the same on a Gigabit, and probably on a Digital Audio model, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On May 30, 5:56 pm, Alexander MacLeod twocor...@gmail.com wrote: What about the basic $999 White MacBook? It's the only MacBook that still has a firewire port, which is very important, to me at least. I think that buying any PPC-based Mac at this point is of dubious value. Once Snow Leopard comes out, Apple is officially leaving PPC architecture behind. Also, you can run Windows on the Intel-based Macs (if you must), and boot from USB 2.0 devices as well. I'd go with the White MacBook. Just my $.02. And the early 2009 2.0 GHz model which includes both Firewire and Superdrive is now in closeout at Smalldog Electronics for $899.99. Likely other vendors will be doing the same thing. Apple just made a speed bump on this entry level machine. http://www.smalldog.com/product/73058 The thing is that the recent speed bump is well worth the extra $100. It includes a better processor, but more importantly the Nvidia 9400M integrated graphics, which is far superior to the previous Intel graphics engine. It's got a bigger hard drive, and a faster system bus, too. Alex --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard drive plate and screw
- Original Message From: ron ronstei...@mac.com To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:02:42 AM Subject: Re: Hard drive plate and screw On May 30, 7:54 pm, Arnel Tuazon wrote: Anyone know how to get the screws out? As of now only the center hard drive plate can be removed the others are stuck with the damaged screw heads. Use a sharp edged tool like a small chisel to score a nock from the screwdriver slot to the edge of the screw head. Then, use a small hammer and the edge of a flat blade screwdriver to drive the damaged screw around and around until it comes loose. Be careful placing the edge of the screwdriver blade in the nock that you created so that it will push against the nock instead of slipping out. You might want to use the chisel instead of a flat blade screwdriver since it already fits the nock you made. Just a variation on what ron said: I used a hacksaw blade (w/out the saw) to carefully saw or file a groove in the offending screw that fastens the drive carrier to the floor of chassis. Be sure to use a damp paper towel or vacuum to remove any metal fillings. This was on a BW but the same would apply to a G4. Then I used a flat blade screw driver to loosen the screw. In this case was I was able to reuse the screw as long as I did not over torque it. I'm assuming you are referring to the screw that attaches the the drive carrier to the floor of the G4. If you can't save the bunged screw you may be able to get away with some other screw with the appropriate diameter and pitch without the special thin head design as Peter so precisely described. I seem to recall replacing such screw with a flat head or maybe a round head screw and to my surprise it allowed enough space to mount the drive with little or no problems. I could be wrong about this but it may be worth a try. Or, if you are not moving the G4 around a lot just a piece of duck tape may be enough in lieu of the screw. Be sure to use the super stick variety (locally know as EB Green) but available internationally under many other names. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
On 5/30/09 9:29 PM, Will S willsc...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Agreed, get the macbook you'll notice a world of difference in terms of value and speed. While the G4 will do everything you want its a dying architecture. Also, did apple officially say PPC macs wont be compatible with Snow Leopard? I'm reasonable sure that Apple has never said anything officially about the requirements for Snow Leopard. It has for a long time been widely speculated that PPC will be left behind with the release of Snow Leopard. Ok. I didn't want to have to do this but (NDA)... I heard from someone who heard from someone (repeat 50 times) who heard from someone that works at Apple that the new OS curently named Snow Leopard will only run on Intel based hardware. If *I* were buying I would get the Intel based machine if I wanted to run the new OS. PPC is dead. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
On 5/31/09 7:44 AM, Iain Thornton iain_thorn...@btinternet.com Broadcast into the ether: Put it this way,if PPC is supported I will honestly eat my hat. God having signed my Non Disclosure Agreement is really making me mad right now I AGREE WITH IAIAN. Put it that way. Get it. ;-) Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
I tried and failed to find a way with Safari 3. Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
I tried and failed to find a way with Safari 3. Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Tony; Try exporting from Camino to Safari. Open Safari and Camino. In Camino Chose File/Export. Chose Safari in the Where Box and Safari in the Format Box. Click Export. Then shutdown and restart Safari. This works in Safari 4 and Camino 1.6.6 HTH, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
Ernie, it grays out Safari -- whether it's running or not -- so I can't choose it in the Where box. No idea why. --Tony Camino 1.6.7 Safari 4 (which Software Update keeps trying to serve with the same 19 mb update over and over...?) 10.4.11 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
Ernie, it grays out Safari -- whether it's running or not -- so I can't choose it in the Where box. No idea why. --Tony Camino 1.6.7 Safari 4 (which Software Update keeps trying to serve with the same 19 mb update over and over...?) 10.4.11 Hi Tony; Try this: From Camino export Bookmarks to Desktop. Use Safari to Import file from Desktop. HTH, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
