Re: Video card install
Date: Tues, Sep 22 2009 4:18 pm From: Jim McGee Hey folks- Getting ready to replace the video card in my Quicksilver 867 (single, pre 2002) and want to make sure that it is done properly. Present card: Rage 128 Pro (16 mb) Replacement:nVidia 5200, AGP (128 mb) Please advise as to the recommended procedure. Turn off your machine, open it, put the power cord back in (the wall socket to off position though) and have everything ready. Touch the metal part of the QS (not any electronics!). Handle both cards by the edges only (just look and don't touch the electronic looking bits). Gently rock the existing resident length-wise till it feels a bit loose and pull straight up then. Reverse action for replacing. Press firmly in. Close up and that's about it. The rest is easy enough when you start up, check your monitor control panel and screens for the correct res and set up. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM
Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, MacTracker isn't telling me anything and a google search is less than helpful. Which Macs can this RAM be used in? PC2700U-25330 HYMD264646B8J-J AA 512MB DDR 333MHz CL2.5 start at 15 and go up to 17 iMac. both 200 and 184 pin listed. take this time frame/processor speeds and check the others. and Apacer 96ME0311A PO# M010998A 7P.G1346.A4FH1L8025 (small sticker) also try here http://usa.apacer.com/us/products/DRAM_Modules.htm http://usa.apacer.com/us/products/search_result.asp == MT8LSDT1664AG-10EB1 is Micron 128MB PC100 SDRAM Memory made for desktop computer systems. Part Number: MT8LSDT1664AG-10EB1 Manufacturer: Micron Size: 128MB Type: PC100 SDRAM CL2, single sided easy same - mactracker 350-700 mhz imacs bw towers and G4 thru 500 mhz includes cube you can check from here... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
I need to move my internal hard drives, including the start-up drive from a G4 dual 867mHz to a G4 1.25mHz. They are from the same line, August 2002. I have made a clone of the start-up as a back-up copy. Can I just move the hard drives from the 867 to the 1.25, and boot up the 1.25, or is there some intermediate step I'm unaware of? (The 867 is working, but the power supply is going, and it was cheaper to buy this used 1.25) I plan to keep the 867 for parts. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video card install
On 23/9/09 07:40, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Turn off your machine, open it, put the power cord back in (the wall socket to off position though) and have everything ready. Touch the metal part of the QS (not any electronics!). Handle both cards by the edges only (just look and don't touch the electronic looking bits). Gently rock the existing resident length-wise till it feels a bit loose and pull straight up then. Reverse action for replacing. Press firmly in. Close up and that's about it. The rest is easy enough when you start up, check your monitor control panel and screens for the correct res and set up. -- dorayme My quicksilver had an agp spring lock which latches into the corresponding hooked piece on the card - the hooked bit with no pins. You will need to put pressure on the plastic spring to free the card and slide it out. When you put the new card in the spring lock will click into place and hold it firmly in place.mine has now snapped off due to my being heavy handed with it - I don't miss it though. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
Date: Tues, Sep 22 2009 6:48 pm From: i...@sajego.net I'm moving to a much smaller apartment in March, and I won't have space for both a TV and a monitor, so I'm trying to figure out how to make one work as both. Especially if it has speakers, the simplest is to plug in a set-top HD digital TV box (they come in at under $(Aust)39 here in Australia. They are very small in footprint, (like a Mac mini about). Be nice if your monitor has an S-Video port or other common one these days besides the VGA or DVI (which latter you can leave plugged in to your computer). How small is the apartment? Have you seen Being John Malkovich? http://www.imdb.com/media/rm479959296/tt0120601 g -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On 9/23/09 6:38 AM, Mel wrote: I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result === That is a different question. All 'my' Apps worked in all the G4s but that does not mean all the original questioner's Apps will work. There might be Apps that will work on one G4 but not another according to the configurations and Specs of the two different machines. As for transferring just the Apps, I have not tried that. I prefer to use CCC to make complete backups. --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 6:06 AM On 9/23/09 6:38 AM, Mel wrote: I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video card install
On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Jim McGee wrote: Hey folks- Getting ready to replace the video card in my Quicksilver 867 (single, pre 2002) and want to make sure that it is done properly. Present card: Rage 128 Pro (16 mb) Replacement:nVidia 5200, AGP (128 mb) Please advise as to the recommended procedure. Thanks in advance, Jim McGee Is this from a G5? Has it been hacked to work in a G4? The drivers are already installed in X, so none are needed. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Both are MDD dual G4 from this line: CPU CPU: PowerPC 7455 G4 CPU Speed: 2x867 MHz/2x1.0 GHz/2x1.25 GHz FPU: integrated Bus Speed: 166 MHz Data Path Width: 64 bit Address Width: 32 bit ROM: 1 MB ROM + 3 MB toolbox ROM loaded into RAM RAM Type: PC2700 DDR Minimum RAM Speed: 333 MHz Onboard RAM: 0 MB RAM slots: 4 Maximum RAM: 2.0 GB Level 1 Cache: 32 kB data, 32 kB instruction Level 2 Cache: 256 kB on-chip, 1:1 Level 3 Cache: 1 MB DDR SDRAM per-processor, 1:4 (2 MB for 2x 1.25 GHz) Expansion Slots: 4 64-bit 33 MHz PCI, 1 4x AGP (filled) Video Video Card/Chipset: ATI Radeon 9000 Pro VRAM: 64 MB Max Resolution: all resolutions supported Video Out: VGA/DVI, ADC Storage Hard Drive: 60/80/120 GB ATA Bus: Ultra ATA-100 Optical Drive: 24x/8x/4x/6x/2x/1x CD-RW/DVD-R Input/Output USB: 2 Firewire: 2 Audio Out: 2x stereo 16 bit mini, Pro Speaker Audio In: stereo 16 bit mini Speaker: mono Networking Modem: 56 kbps Ethernet: 10/100/1000Base-T Airport: optional card Miscellaneous Family: PowerMac G3/G4/G5 Codename: P57 Gestalt ID: 406 Power: 338 Watts Dimensions: 17 H x 8.9 W x 18.4 D Weight: 42 lbs. Minimum OS: 9.2.2 Maximum OS: 10.5.6 Introduced: August 2002 Terminated: Late 2004 What I would like to do is move all my drives, including the boot-up drive, from the 867 to the 1.25. The 867 is currently running Leopard. The 1.25 has a 160G boot-up drive currently running Tiger. I would remove the 160G drive from the 1.25 and replace it with my 500G boot-up drive from my 867. Is this possible? Would I create some issues if I try? Mira On Sep 23, 7:38 am, Mel mll...@yahoo.com wrote: If the OS is comparable for both CPUs, it seems that you can make the mechanical transfer of the HD and boot without incident. I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s but none newer than a DA. E.G. Swapping a boot HD from a DP DA to a Sawtooth and vice versa. Anyone have a different experience? Mel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
Your problem is a bit more fundamental; your G4 simply does not have the horsepower to play HD content. Elgato recommends a dual G5 as the minimum hardware for HD. That's bare minimum. I realize that it must hurt, but technologically speaking, all PowerPC Macs are obsolete and falling further behind every day. Don't throw precious money into the black hole of futilely trying to keep equipment that is unsupported - because it just can't meet modern demands - updated. I would strongly recommend an intel Mac; any intel Mac should be adequate, including the early Minis. Personally, I used a 2006 24 iMac with the Elgato Hybrid and EyeTV software and was deliriously happy with it. I replaced it only because it died under warranty and they gave me a new iMac as a replacement. You can pick up these older iMacs these days starting at $1,000; less for the 20 inch models. I really understand that this might be too much of a stretch, but the early Minis should be within your budget. On Sep 22, 7:48 pm, i...@sajego.net i...@sajego.net wrote: I'm moving to a much smaller apartment in March, and I won't have space for both a TV and a monitor, so I'm trying to figure out how to make one work as both. I have a dual 1Ghz MDD that I'm planning to fix up, but that doesn't have the built-in USB 2.0 that the EyeTV specs call for, just a USB 2.0 PCI card. Has anybody run an EyeTV through PCI USB 2.0? What were your results? What video card were you using? With how much VRAM? I'm trying to figure out how much money I need to put together for upgrades, above and beyond the 26 monitor/TV. Or would I be better off buying a G5? Any and all help/suggestions appreciated. Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson Norfolk, NE 68701 i...@sajego.net ebay: stonesingersales (319/100%) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
On Sep 22, 5:58 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: I saw a post awhile back where someone was trying to interface an old apple monitor to a newer VGA card. Was there any resolution to that? Does anyone make an adapter for the old monitors for use with the VGA standard sockets? I know they made adapters to go from the old mac computers to use with the VGA Monitors. Never seen where they went the other way around though. If you're looking for an adapter to connect the HD-15 (three rows totaling 15 pins) of a VGA video card to the DB-15 (not actually a DB but it's common usage, two rows totaling 15 pins) of an old Mac monitor, you might try Griffen Technology. I think they're at griffentech.com or maybe griffontech.com.They used to sell a good one but it was a little pricey--up around $15 each. On the other hand, they're not all that easy to find any more, so that may be your best option. Adapters going the other way are still common. I have a box of about 30 of them still after selling a few score. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:42 AM, mkehoe wrote: I need to move my internal hard drives, including the start-up drive from a G4 dual 867mHz to a G4 1.25mHz. They are from the same line, August 2002. I have made a clone of the start-up as a back-up copy. Yep, no issues at all. The drive in my current laptop has been in two machines, my pismo then my TiBook, in my desktop in three. 7600- Beige G3 - Gig Ethernet. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 9/23/09 6:38 AM, Mel wrote: I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? In my case all apps worked...a HD is a 'total brian transplant' and OS X is truly universal install, all drivers for all supported systems are included, although this has changed with the advent of Snow Leopard. Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? Yes and no. Serial numbers, etc etc will have to be re-entered, since that info tends to live in preference files or Application support folders in ~Library and /Library. iTunes, (and possibly other applications) uses the MAC address of the built-in ethernet for authentication of a computer, you'll have to re- register your computer with iTunes to play protected media. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Nestamicky wrote: Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? iTunes, (and possibly other applications) uses the MAC address of the built-in ethernet for authentication of a computer, you'll have to re- register your computer with iTunes to play protected media. Make SURE you De-Authorize the old computer before removing the HD. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Nestamicky wrote: Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? iTunes, (and possibly other applications) uses the MAC address of the built-in ethernet for authentication of a computer, you'll have to re- register your computer with iTunes to play protected media. Make SURE you De-Authorize the old computer before removing the HD. Only if you're at your 5 computer limit, or you're selling the old one. You can do what I did, and deauthorize all computers, then re- authorize 'em. IIRC Apple limits you to one mass deauthorization per 6 calendar months. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac 233mhz tiger? how?
At 10:16 AM -0700 9/23/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I've got a 233mhz imac sitting here on my desk... the old puck mouse, 160mhz ram. currently running mac os 9.0... I' never played with these old guys, Is there a way to load tiger on it via another mac? Jeff Connect the iMac to another Mac via firewire Target Disk Mode then use CCC to slam the system over. But... with only 160 MB RAM (I'm guessin you ment MB not MHz), Tiger probably won't boot. I think it needs at least 256 MB... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac 233mhz tiger? how?
At 10:50 AM -0700 9/23/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: No firewire...on this imac. Ah. Then (memory issue notwithstanding) you have to disk swap or do a real install. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
On 23-09-2009 00:58, Gus, gusr...@comcast.net, wrote: I saw a post awhile back where someone was trying to interface an old apple monitor to a newer VGA card. Was there any resolution to that? Does anyone make an adapter for the old monitors for use with the VGA standard sockets? I know they made adapters to go from the old mac computers to use with the VGA Monitors. Never seen where they went the other way around though. Well, I strongly believe you mean the topic How do I run an old monitor on sawtooth started by Brian Christmas on Nov. 17, 2008. He was looking for such an adaptor, but couldn't find it in Australia. At that time I had several of these laying around and only one still in use (and even till now to connect a ColorSync 20-inch to a VooDoo-3 in my PM 9699/350). Till around 2 yrs ago I used 2 of these adaptors to connect 2 ColorSync's 20-inch to a Sawtooth. Never had/have any problems. Well and after sending one to Brian Christmas he told me the adapter also works well with him. I know they are hard to find now. But last week I saw still several in a small local (Amsterdam, NL) Apple Service Station. They sell them for € 15 (= US$ 21,85 today). And perhaps I also have still one in my Old Mac Mass. Have to dig. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote: Bruce others - I appreciate your comments. This is the first time I am changing from one computer to another. I want to make sure I understand about the process of authorization. This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps will just work. Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY. Its point being that it limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought from the iTunes Store. And it recognizes those computers with enough intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you move the HD. So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then move the HD, then authorize the new. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Correct? Mira On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote: Bruce others - I appreciate your comments. This is the first time I am changing from one computer to another. I want to make sure I understand about the process of authorization. This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps will just work. Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY. Its point being that it limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought from the iTunes Store. And it recognizes those computers with enough intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you move the HD. So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then move the HD, then authorize the new. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
I moved a boot drive with 10.4 server on it from a single 533MHZ digital audio to a dual 1GHZ xserve, and then a dual 1.33GHZ xserve and it booted right up. -Jonas On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Correct? Mira On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote: Bruce others - I appreciate your comments. This is the first time I am changing from one computer to another. I want to make sure I understand about the process of authorization. This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps will just work. Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY. Its point being that it limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought from the iTunes Store. And it recognizes those computers with enough intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you move the HD. So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then move the HD, then authorize the new. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac 233mhz tiger? how?
On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: The 233MHZ didn't have firewire. The easiest way would to use xpostfacto. I have used it to run a few different os's on beige g3's. While I have run 10.4 on 128MB ram it runs slow. Definitely max out the ram. Even if you only run 10.3. That would be the best thing to run, because you wouldn't even have to use xpostfacto. -Jonas On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:50 AM -0700 9/23/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: No firewire...on this imac. Ah. Then (memory issue notwithstanding) you have to disk swap or do a real install. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. ok... skipping the os x install at this point. but one question... can I plug this 233mhz into my G5 (leopard) via ethernet and exchange files between OS 9 and OS X? J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:37 PM, mkehoe wrote: Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Yep. Make sure you don't take the extra step of dropping the hard drive onto the concrete floor like I did one time. :-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Here is a suggestion that I believe will be better for you. Have you considered buying a used second HD. If you do, install it as a slave in your current CPU. Use CCC to clone it. Restart and reboot holding down the option key. When the arrow appears, click on the slave drive and continue the boot process. It should boot your CPU. When it does, shut it down and RR which ever HD you choose to the other CPU, remembering, if you choose the slave drive to RR to convert it into a master. Then boot from that other HD. It should work. Mel --- On Wed, 9/23/09, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote: From: mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 12:37 PM Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Correct? Mira On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote: Bruce others - I appreciate your comments. This is the first time I am changing from one computer to another. I want to make sure I understand about the process of authorization. This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps will just work. Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY. Its point being that it limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought from the iTunes Store. And it recognizes those computers with enough intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you move the HD. So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then move the HD, then authorize the new. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Mel wrote: Here is a suggestion that I believe will be better for you. Have you considered buying a used second HD. If you do, install it as a slave in your current CPU. Use CCC to clone it. Restart and reboot holding down the option key. When the arrow appears, click on the slave drive and continue the boot process. It should boot your CPU. When it does, shut it down and RR which ever HD you choose to the other CPU, remembering, if you choose the slave drive to RR to convert it into a master. Then boot from that other HD. It should work. Whaa? What you've described is just rebooting to a different drive in the same system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:37 PM, mkehoe wrote: Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Yep. Make sure you don't take the extra step of dropping the hard drive onto the concrete floor like I did one time. :-) I thought we all had to do that once. It was some sort of requirement. You notice they never drop on foam padding or even carpet, only on concrete. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac 233mhz tiger? how?
Yeah just plug them into the same router or use a cross over cable. Just make sure that you have file sharing setup on both. And the user info for both -Jonas On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: The 233MHZ didn't have firewire. The easiest way would to use xpostfacto. I have used it to run a few different os's on beige g3's. While I have run 10.4 on 128MB ram it runs slow. Definitely max out the ram. Even if you only run 10.3. That would be the best thing to run, because you wouldn't even have to use xpostfacto. -Jonas On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:50 AM -0700 9/23/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: No firewire...on this imac. Ah. Then (memory issue notwithstanding) you have to disk swap or do a real install. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. ok... skipping the os x install at this point. but one question... can I plug this 233mhz into my G5 (leopard) via ethernet and exchange files between OS 9 and OS X? J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Make sure you don't take the extra step of dropping the hard drive onto the concrete floor like I did one time. :-) I thought we all had to do that once. It was some sort of requirement. You notice they never drop on foam padding or even carpet, only on concrete. What got me is that it landed perfectly *on edge*, from desk height, and stayed there. All it ever did was make a sort of SKKKSSSHHHSKKKSHHH grinding noise after that... did that, 15 years ago...old 20MB drive right off my desk, hit hard enough to leave a dent in the metal. it was in the middle of writing data when it happened. got an error on that file but the drive still worked. Last I checked the drive still works, that was a few years ago, gathering dust in my attic now. -sam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Make sure you don't take the extra step of dropping the hard drive onto the concrete floor like I did one time. :-) I thought we all had to do that once. It was some sort of requirement. You notice they never drop on foam padding or even carpet, only on concrete. What got me is that it landed perfectly *on edge*, from desk height, and stayed there. All it ever did was make a sort of SKKKSSSHHHSKKKSHHH grinding noise after that... I don't know how mine landed, cursing makes it hard to make observations. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Yes indeed that is what I suggested. Test it first in the G4 after cloning to see if it boots. If it does, then make the RR. --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:34 PM On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Mel wrote: Here is a suggestion that I believe will be better for you. Have you considered buying a used second HD. If you do, install it as a slave in your current CPU. Use CCC to clone it. Restart and reboot holding down the option key. When the arrow appears, click on the slave drive and continue the boot process. It should boot your CPU. When it does, shut it down and RR which ever HD you choose to the other CPU, remembering, if you choose the slave drive to RR to convert it into a master. Then boot from that other HD. It should work. Whaa? What you've described is just rebooting to a different drive in the same system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: Your problem is a bit more fundamental; your G4 simply does not have the horsepower to play HD content. :) I was rapidly coming to that conclusion. I realize that it must hurt, but technologically speaking, all PowerPC Macs are obsolete and falling further behind every day. Don't throw precious money into the black hole of futilely trying to keep equipment that is unsupported - because it just can't meet modern demands - updated. I don't know that I would use the word obsolete, because for many functions they work just fine. It just happens that my needs have exceeded their abilities-- :) something i knew would happen eventually, I just didn't think it would happen so soon! Personally, I used a 2006 24 iMac with the Elgato Hybrid and EyeTV software and was deliriously happy with it. I replaced it only because it died under warranty and they gave me a new iMac as a replacement. You can pick up these older iMacs these days starting at $1,000; less for the 20 inch models. I really understand that this might be too much of a stretch, but the early Minis should be within your budget. An early mini would be cheaper, but I need FW800 and there's no way to add it. A BTO 2.0GHz/4GB/320GB mac mini and a 26 Samsung HDTV will run me about $1300--which beats out pretty much any similarly spec'd imac I've seen so far. The only question is will the 256MB of VRAM have enough oomph to run the TV? Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson Norfolk, NE 68701 i...@sajego.net ebay: stonesingersales (319/100%) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
Right, I have a monitor that is on a Beige G3 that I want to connect to a VGA connector on a BW G3. So, I need to go from VGA to the four pin Apple Monitors. On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 23-09-2009 01:26, Chance Reecher, cnrtechh...@gmail.com, wrote: Are we talking about the ADC port (digital) or the Apple monitor connector (analog)? There are simple little pin adapters for the latter that are very cheap. As for converting a VGA signal to ADC, a signal conversion has to occur, not just a connector adaption. I think there was an adapter made for this, but it cost over 250$. In that case, just get a DVI videocard and the Apple ADC to DVI adapter and save yourself at least 100$. Sorry, but I strongly believe you didn't understand Gus's question. He was talking about an old Mac monitor with DB-15 connection to a VGA-card in a Mac. See also my answer to his question. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video Driver Question.
they had some 7000 mac drivers at the AMD site. http://www.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDHomePage.aspx On Sep 22, 2:41 pm, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: Small correction: I just found a nice review of this card, which also says that the drivers come on a CD with the card. Look here:http://www.giantmike.com/reviews/radeon7000.html Good luck! Geke --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video Driver Question.
Okay... I must have been thinking ISA cards.. I remember now that the ISA cards are 32/64.. Least in my Blue and white. all the pictures are tiny and I cant really get a good look to see how wide it is. The review I was looking at says that it will work in a beige after 10.1.4. which will be fine. Anyways... Thanks for sticking with me as I loose my mind.. LOL Gus. On Sep 23, 7:40 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Sep 23, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Gus wrote: Looking at the picture on the website. It looks like the Radeon 7000 card is an PCI 32 bit card. The Beige G3 has 16 bit PCI slots. Is the card dual 16/32 bit compatible? The Beige can use any Mac ROM PCI video card. The only cards that are incompatible are PCI cards with PC ROMs (PC terminology uses BIOS instead of ROM, but they're both simply the firmware stored on a flash EEPROM). Many of the PC ROM cards can be flashed to a Mac ROM so that they will work in a Mac. (see MacElite forums for ROMs guides). There is some difference between new world and old world Macs, such that the GeForce FX5200 PCI that will support QE and CI in a new world Mac such as the BW or Yikes will not support these in an old world Mac such as the Beige or a PPC PowerMac. The Beige will support QE using PCI Extreme 3.1 with any QE compatible card, which means all Mac ROM Radeon cards and some nVidia cards. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
wait.. the old four pin was RGB.. the monitor is a DB-15.. isn't that what they called them?? And the VGA/SVGA is what the Blue and White uses... Anyways.. I have a DB-15 Monitor and I want to hook it up to the VGA port of the BW. On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: Right, I have a monitor that is on a Beige G3 that I want to connect to a VGA connector on a BW G3. So, I need to go from VGA to the four pin Apple Monitors. On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 23-09-2009 01:26, Chance Reecher, cnrtechh...@gmail.com, wrote: Are we talking about the ADC port (digital) or the Apple monitor connector (analog)? There are simple little pin adapters for the latter that are very cheap. As for converting a VGA signal to ADC, a signal conversion has to occur, not just a connector adaption. I think there was an adapter made for this, but it cost over 250$. In that case, just get a DVI videocard and the Apple ADC to DVI adapter and save yourself at least 100$. Sorry, but I strongly believe you didn't understand Gus's question. He was talking about an old Mac monitor with DB-15 connection to a VGA-card in a Mac. See also my answer to his question. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
On 23 Sep 2009, at 18:23:13 PDT, Gus wrote: wait.. the old four pin was RGB.. the monitor is a DB-15.. isn't that what they called them?? And the VGA/SVGA is what the Blue and White uses... Anyways.. I have a DB-15 Monitor and I want to hook it up to the VGA port of the BW. On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: Right, I have a monitor that is on a Beige G3 that I want to connect to a VGA connector on a BW G3. So, I need to go from VGA to the four pin Apple Monitors. On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 23-09-2009 01:26, Chance Reecher, cnrtechh...@gmail.com, wrote: Are we talking about the ADC port (digital) or the Apple monitor connector (analog)? There are simple little pin adapters for the latter that are very cheap. As for converting a VGA signal to ADC, a signal conversion has to occur, not just a connector adaption. I think there was an adapter made for this, but it cost over 250$. In that case, just get a DVI videocard and the Apple ADC to DVI adapter and save yourself at least 100$. Sorry, but I strongly believe you didn't understand Gus's question. He was talking about an old Mac monitor with DB-15 connection to a VGA- card in a Mac. See also my answer to his question. --- --- Well, then, as I said yesterday: I have a couple kicking around. I think they were intended to mate an Apple notebook with a VGA connector to an external Apple monitor. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
Sounds like what I need... email me.. gusr...@comcast.net On Sep 23, 8:29 pm, Ken Daggett kadagg...@verizon.net wrote: On 23 Sep 2009, at 18:23:13 PDT, Gus wrote: wait.. the old four pin was RGB.. the monitor is a DB-15.. isn't that what they called them?? And the VGA/SVGA is what the Blue and White uses... Anyways.. I have a DB-15 Monitor and I want to hook it up to the VGA port of the BW. On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: Right, I have a monitor that is on a Beige G3 that I want to connect to a VGA connector on a BW G3. So, I need to go from VGA to the four pin Apple Monitors. On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 23-09-2009 01:26, Chance Reecher, cnrtechh...@gmail.com, wrote: Are we talking about the ADC port (digital) or the Apple monitor connector (analog)? There are simple little pin adapters for the latter that are very cheap. As for converting a VGA signal to ADC, a signal conversion has to occur, not just a connector adaption. I think there was an adapter made for this, but it cost over 250$. In that case, just get a DVI videocard and the Apple ADC to DVI adapter and save yourself at least 100$. Sorry, but I strongly believe you didn't understand Gus's question. He was talking about an old Mac monitor with DB-15 connection to a VGA- card in a Mac. See also my answer to his question. --- --- Well, then, as I said yesterday: I have a couple kicking around. I think they were intended to mate an Apple notebook with a VGA connector to an external Apple monitor. Kenhttp://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adapter for the OLD Monitors with use with VGA card.
Looking at ebay, it seems all that is advertised is the adapter to hook the old Beige computers up to VGA monitors. Nothing to hook the old DB-15 monitors to a HD-15 card. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
Date: Wed, Sep 23 2009 2:46 pm From: i...@sajego.net On Sep 23, 2009, at 7:17 AM, dorayme wrote: Date: Tues, Sep 22 2009 6:48 pm From: i...@sajego.net I'm moving to a much smaller apartment in March, and I won't have space for both a TV and a monitor, so I'm trying to figure out how to make one work as both. Especially if it has speakers, the simplest is to plug in a set-top HD digital TV box (they come in at under $(Aust)39 here in Australia. They are very small in footprint, (like a Mac mini about). Be nice if your monitor has an S-Video port or other common one these days besides the VGA or DVI (which latter you can leave plugged in to your computer). I've been thinking about going with a Samsung 26 TV, I thought you wanted to save space and go with what you have. I suggested a set-top box because they are small in footprint, cheap and have the tuner you need.) which will run me about $400+tax USD, which will definitely have speakers and I can get locally. When you say set-top box, do you mean like an digital to analog converter box? Or are you talking about something else? Maybe you don't have them in US? In Australia, TV is moving away from analog and the free to air stations are broadcasting in Digital and HD Digital. To receive the signals on an old analogue TV many people use a set top box to receive the digital and deliver to the TV. But they are also good to deliver to LCD digital monitors. They have tuners that are like the tuners in modern digital TVs. But if you *already have* a monitor, a tuner is all you need more. The arial you rig up, the speakers too from ports in the back of the set top boxes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-top_box -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Bulk] Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:44 PM, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Maybe you don't have them in US? In Australia, TV is moving away from analog and the free to air stations are broadcasting in Digital and HD Digital. The TV conversion to broadcasting in digital happened in the United States on June 12 of this year. So, yes, we are familiar ... and depending on where you live also frustrated ... with the converter boxes. The problem with connecting the converter boxes I've seen here to a monitor is matching the boxes outputs to the monitors inputs. Many of the most inexpensive converter boxes don't support any type of video out other than RF, usually on US VHF channels 3 or 4. Those converter boxes which do provide video and audio lines out, do so in ways that can't necessarily be be used with a monitor. Composite video with stereo audio is typical. Some (fewer) also provide S-video out. While many of the recent analog TVs here will have inputs for those formats, it's not a given that you'd find them on your LCD monitor. While there are monitors that provide those inputs, there are also more than a few that don't. Interesting idea though. The converter boxes certainly are cheap enough if they can work for you. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Clark Martin wrote: I thought we all had to do that once. It was some sort of requirement. You notice they never drop on foam padding or even carpet, only on concrete. Now of course there is the on purpose power up drive , quicky pull power and drop on floor/ The noise is fun. We had a bunch of under 1 gig hospital content drives to erase/destroy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Elgato EyeTV on a G4?
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:44 PM, dorayme wrote: I've been thinking about going with a Samsung 26 TV, I thought you wanted to save space and go with what you have. I suggested a set-top box because they are small in footprint, cheap and have the tuner you need.) What I have is an ancient RCA 20 analog TV which at the moment serves no purpose beyond occasionally playing DVDs, ( though if I can find a way to use it as an external monitor for my MBP, I would be exceedingly happy) and a 17 MultiScan CRT Monitor. I was going to ditch both of those and replace them with either an LCD TV or an LCD monitor. There isn't anyplace with multiple different monitors on sale here where I can go check them out, but I can go to the local WalMart and look at a variety of different TVs. I saw the Samsung there, and it seemed to have the best picture. If anyone out there has any recommendations for either a TV or a monitor with built in speakers, I can use all the help I can get! which will run me about $400+tax USD, which will definitely have speakers and I can get locally. When you say set-top box, do you mean like an digital to analog converter box? Or are you talking about something else? Maybe you don't have them in US? In Australia, TV is moving away from analog and the free to air stations are broadcasting in Digital and HD Digital. To receive the signals on an old analogue TV many people use a set top box to receive the digital and deliver to the TV. But they are also good to deliver to LCD digital monitors. They have tuners that are like the tuners in modern digital TVs. But if you *already have* a monitor, a tuner is all you need more. The arial you rig up, the speakers too from ports in the back of the set top boxes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-top_box Yup yup! Around here they call them converter boxes. mmmkay. So essentially the difference between a TV and a monitor with speakers is the tuner, so it'd be the monitor plus set-top box vs a TV. :) I think I begin to see where I'm headed. Thanks! Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson Norfolk, NE 68701 i...@sajego.net ebay: stonesingersales (319/100%) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
