Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
Here's a real head-scratcher. At least for me. Out of the blue, my dual 867 MDD G4 has become impossible to wake from sleep. *Display* sleep! I've long since abandoned putting the hard drives to sleep, between previous problems with (since fixed by replacing) the power supply and fear of the PCI USB card issue, so I only sleep the displays -- in this case a 17 ADC Studio Display and a 19 Viewsonic digital flat panel, both off an ATI Radeon 9600. I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity via the Energy Saver control panel. I've never experienced any problems before, but suddenly within the past few days it's been impossible to wake it with a key press or wiggle of the (wired) Mighty Mouse. And I've had no choice but to shut it down via the APC UPS, wait a few moments, and then start it up again. I've noticed no other hiccups, anomalies, slowdowns, blackouts or other strange behavior. I'm lost. Help??? --Bill Wilson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
Digital Bill wrote: Here's a real head-scratcher. At least for me. Out of the blue, my dual 867 MDD G4 has become impossible to wake from sleep. *Display* sleep! I've long since abandoned putting the hard drives to sleep, between previous problems with (since fixed by replacing) the power supply and fear of the PCI USB card issue, so I only sleep the displays -- in this case a 17 ADC Studio Display and a 19 Viewsonic digital flat panel, both off an ATI Radeon 9600. I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity via the Energy Saver control panel. I've never experienced any problems before, but suddenly within the past few days it's been impossible to wake it with a key press or wiggle of the (wired) Mighty Mouse. And I've had no choice but to shut it down via the APC UPS, wait a few moments, and then start it up again. I've noticed no other hiccups, anomalies, slowdowns, blackouts or other strange behavior. What I have found is that when the computer blanks the display (display sleep) and then fails to wake from is that it is due not to any problem with display sleep but due to the computer crashing / locking up and it simply happens while the display is asleep. The first thing you can try is to attempt to access the computer via the network once it has failed to wake up. The best way this would be done is via SSH or VNC (ideally both). But you can also try it using AppleShare or web browsing. An alternative is to disable the display sleep and see if the computer hangs up. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on an MDD (FW800) running 10.4.11
On Oct 17, 6:58 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 17, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Classic on an MDD (FW800) running 10.4.11 Date: Samstag 17 Oktober 2009N From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net To: g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com If not able to use another Mac to transfer via CCC a copy of OS 9, then as Kris suggested, this should be the only route. With CCC you could only copy a complete installation of Mac OS (any version) to a new (and preferably empty) partition. But the normal installation routine installs Mac OS 9 side-by-side with Mac OS X on the same partition. This cannot be accomplished via the CCC way. I always install Classic on a separate partition, and have properly partitioned the hard drive installing the OS 9 drivers. Use Kris' suggestion: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243#English I would prefer you not argue points ... I'm only making suggestions based on 30 years experience. If you/they don't care for the suggestion, fine. Good luck ... I'm through with this thread. Thank you all for your suggestions. Many of them seem helpful. While the 500MB dmg that Kris suggested is downloading, I wanted to give you a quick update. If you're not interested in things that don't work, read no further. :) I'm aware that the FW800 model of the MDD won't boot OS 9. When I bought the machine from eBay, I didn't know it was a FW800. I was both glad and sad that it was. Glad because it was more of a machine than I thought I was buying, but sad because I knew this model couldn't boot OS 9. Not really a big deal though. I don't really have any Mac software to speak of, and no real need to boot to OS 9. I didn't ever think it would really be a problem. To be honest, I don't remember ever using Classic on this machine prior to my reinstalling OS X. I did reconfirm that the drive still has the OS 9 drivers installed. I half-way thought the OS 9.2.1 CD would boot. I know the machine can't boot OS 9, but who says the CD is actually booting with OS 9? It was worth a try. Mac User #330250 said that he just did the OS 9 install from the Finder. When I try that, since I can't boot the disc, I get an error about not being able to modify the files in the System Folder because the disc is write protected. I assumed it was talking about the CD. Idea... Copy the files from the CD to a folder on my Desktop and do the install from there. That still didn't work. I still got the same error. I ejected the CD. Then I started getting a notification that the install needed to modify files in my System Folder on the hard drive. I clicked the Update button. No dice. Classic looks like it wants to boot (i.e. I get the Happy Mac and then the big Mac OS 9 splash screen then an error saying this can only be done from the original media and not if copied to another drive). Oh, and Startup Disk and Classic (in System Preferences) don't see the copied System Folder as a valid startup disk. Bummer. Well, my download is down. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again for all of the great input. Lonnie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on an MDD (FW800) running 10.4.11
On Oct 18, 2009, at 3:35 AM, lrbarrios wrote: Well, my download is down. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again for all of the great input. I'm interested in how Kris' idea goes. Sounds interesting. Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On 18/10/2009, at 7:01 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: Date: Sat, Oct 17 2009 11:46 pm From: Digital Bill Out of the blue, my dual 867 MDD G4 has become impossible to wake from sleep. *Display* sleep! I've long since abandoned putting the hard drives to sleep, between previous problems with (since fixed by replacing) the power supply and fear of the PCI USB card issue, so I only sleep the displays -- in this case a 17 ADC Studio Display and a 19 Viewsonic digital flat panel, both off an ATI Radeon 9600. I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity Gee, that's a long time! via the Energy Saver control panel. I've never experienced any problems before, but suddenly within the past few days it's been impossible to wake it with a key press or wiggle of the (wired) Mighty Mouse. And I've had no choice but to shut it down via the APC UPS, wait a few moments, and then start it up again. Have you tried simply removing the power from, say, the LCD screen and waiting a minut, and switching back on? Some LCD screens get their knickers in a twist re sleep and need to be reset. Also look at the settings for this in your LCD buttons on th monitor. I've noticed no other hiccups, anomalies, slowdowns, blackouts or other strange behavior. Ah well, then you better first run Disk Utility through the drive. Next, if you can, Disk Warrior to rebuild. And make some checks on RAM I'm lost. Help??? --Bill Wilson -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Weird Epilogue: Talked to the ATT Tier Two support people (the competent ones they diligently try to keep you from reaching). Ultimately, he concluded that for some reason, Thunderbird wasn't recognizing the presence of my username and therefore was internally rejecting my username/password combination. Eventually I correctly guessed why. For some reason, a few years ago another Tier Two rep fixed a connection problem by changing the username in my email client from (myname)@sbcglobal.net, to (myname) %sbcglobal.net. Counterintuitive to me, but it worked with it and it didn't work without it. Now, for whatever reason, it didn't work until it was changed back to @. Apparently Thunderbird looked for the properly spelled username with @, didn't find it, figured the username was incorrect, and generated the boilerplate error message. At least for the moment, instant fix. Thank you again, Dan, for all your help. The transcript of this discussion speeded the diagnostic process considerably. Gracias, Tony On Oct 14, 11:47 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:17 PM -0700 10/13/2009, tonycd wrote: 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms [etc] Ok It's not Thunderbird - if the prefs etc were foo, it would be failing all the time. It's not your DNS - that translation (the dig) was good. It's not your path to Yahoo's servers - the traceroute is ok. That brings us back to the original error message: The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. I just hit that SMTP server cluster directly, using telnet. Most of my attempt succeeded in connecting and getting the server's first response. But quite a few failed! So the problem is Yahoo's server is refusing connections now and then. This is the type of thing that Yahoo should have noticed and fixed fairly quickly. but sigh. At this point the best thing to do would be for you to send a message to your ISP. Give them that error message. Tell them that DNS lookups and a traceroute seems fine - that the problem is that the server itself is not always responding. Because this is a contracted/outsourced service, it may take a while to fix... IN the mean time You might want to switch to a more reliable provider. My fav these days is Gmail... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
No Script
OK, I am gonna finally mess with this FF Add-on because for some reason (this has not happened until recently) some script from yahooips.com is causing FF to ask me the old continue or stop script question. How do I block scripts from this domain when I install No Script? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 4:50 am, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity Gee, that's a long time! FWIW, the screen saver (RSS Visualizer) kicks in at 15 mins.; display sleep kicks in at about 45 mins. If it matters, the G4 is networked to my wife's iMac (Tiger 10.4.11 on the G4, Leopard on the iMac). I futzed with the Energy Saver prefs on the G4, shut down the Epson printer on the iMac (shared from the G4), and killed an app or two we had open on both machines at the same time. I invoked the screen saver as normal and went to bed, and this morning it work from sleep with a touch of the mouse. It has since slept again and once more awoke without a problem by just lightly touching the mouse. Corrupted prefs, perhaps? Fussy about the USB printer being open and in the Dock of the iMac? Irritable because an app was open on both machines at the same time? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Digital Bill wrote: On Oct 18, 4:50 am, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity Gee, that's a long time! FWIW, the screen saver (RSS Visualizer) kicks in at 15 mins.; display sleep kicks in at about 45 mins. If it matters, the G4 is networked to my wife's iMac (Tiger 10.4.11 on the G4, Leopard on the iMac). I futzed with the Energy Saver prefs on the G4, shut down the Epson printer on the iMac (shared from the G4), and killed an app or two we had open on both machines at the same time. I invoked the screen saver as normal and went to bed, and this morning it work from sleep with a touch of the mouse. It has since slept again and once more awoke without a problem by just lightly touching the mouse. Corrupted prefs, perhaps? Fussy about the USB printer being open and in the Dock of the iMac? Irritable because an app was open on both machines at the same time? I would suspect the USB device. Then the network connectivity being active. Also, just guessing, but Screen Saver and then Sleep? might that be throwing things off? maybe not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 1:45 pm, Digital Bill wlwdes...@mindspring.com wrote: morning it work from sleep with a touch of the mouse. It has since Ummm... make that it AWOKE from sleep. And just to make this extra post worth it, I should point out that I mentioned the iMac on the network because, if it matters, I have Wake for Ethernet network administrator access selected in the Wake Options of Energy Saver. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
need schematics
Hi, Does anyone know where I can get a download of schematics for Apple Monitor mod. G090H A2M6020 ? If I have schematics I can get them fixed. Wm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I would suspect the USB device. I mentioned this because if I shut down my QS Dual 2002 under 10.5.7, having my USB/MIDI keyboard connected and turned on, and then try to Startup without the Keyboard on, I get a kernal panic. Probably due to a state change relative to USB from the previous session. Hope this may add insight into your issues. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
