Re: Beige G3 problems
On Dec 8, 11:04 am, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: Thanks a lot for your answer, Yersinia! I have following a similar thread a few days ago which mentioned pressing the CUDA switch and resetting the PRAM in a Beige G3. I went to my stored manuals and checked them. According to the original manual (available for download at Apple.com), you don`t need to reset the PRAM. I didn`t try as I was worried it may have been an electrical problem and thus didn`t want to get into more failed boots to avoid permament damage. Of course, the PRAM battery of this machine is original and 12 years old. It sat idle for five years and although it seemed to work, it has been started maybe five times since put out of storage a couple months ago. It is likely to be in bad condition. The machine was VERY dirty and looks like the original owner brushed the worst of dirt with a thin paintbrush! Maybe static damage to some components? To those who read about Apple voiding waranty on smoker`s machines, this particular computer was full of nicotine remains. The owner used to work a lot and had the machine in a tiny unventilated room, so all the smoke got into the machine and settled there. Thanks again, Gorka - Original Message - From: yersi...@cybernex.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Beige G3 problems Gorka writes, I have an old 233MHz beige G3 desktop I workin with at a hobby. last week I installed a trio of 128Mb SIMMs I bought through LEM Swap. I exchanged the old memory for the new one following the Apple instructions per the manual (and after checking through the net) and restarted the computer. hardware started, but got the bomb dialog telling me there was a prolem with some app and asking me for a secure reboot through the keyboard. At that time I had only an USB keyboard as my ADB one was at home. Today I finally got my old ADB keyboard, opnened the case again, reseated the memory and hit the power up buttom in the keyboard. ... to no avail. I got the three lights in the keyboard, the PSU started t whirl... and after a couple seconds the machie shut down. Opened it again, checked everything was OK, all the connections secure,put back the old memory SIMMs, closed and tried again to boot, getting the same results. The machine is a beige desktop, 233MHz G3, 128 + 64 + 32Mb SIMMs , one PCI slot with 2xUSB 1.1 and 2xFirewire 400, one 10Gb and one 40Gb HD and running Mac OS 9.1. The machine was recently resurrected after being unused for five years and it ran smoothly until the memory swapt. Any ideas? Maybe the PSU failed? Besides the memory SIMMs nothing else have been touched Ooooh, a Beige G3/233 Desktop! I had one of those! OK, down to business. Here's what I'd do if I still had my Beige and was in your position: You don't mention if you pressed the CUDA button when you installed the new memory, so I'd recommend reseating the RAM yet again and pressing the CUDA button. If that doesn't work, I'd zap the PRAM (hold down the cmd-opt-P-R keys while pressing the startup button. If that doesn't work, I'd go for an open firmware reset. To do this, hold down the cmd-opt-O-F keys while starting up. When you get the command line, type: 1. reset-nvram (hit enter) 2. set-defaults (hit enter) 3. resett-all (hit enter) If none of these things work, and, since you also mention that the Mac had worked fine but had also been unused for a long time -- I was just in this situation with another PPC Mac (the fact that it hadn't been used in a while), a Mini, and when the PRAM battery was replaced, it worked fine. So if none of the above work for you, your Beige's PRAM battery may need to be replaced. Also, older Macs like that sometimes act wonky if you don't rebuild theier desktops. If you get this Beige to boot again, I'd suggest a desktop rebuild too. (hold down apple-opt keys while booting, then tell it yes when it asks to rebuild the desktop). Good luck! ~Yersinia. The correct nvram reset commands are entered one line at a time pressing the [Enter] key at the end of each command line: reset-nvram reset-defaults reset-all The proper methods to reset the PRAM, NVRAM and CUDA are detailed at these Apple links: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379 http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1812?viewlocale=en_US Yersinia is correct about your PRAM battery being suspect. If you don't have a suitable multimeter or battery tester, one way to find out if the battery is any good is to remove it entirely, and try starting up without it. You system should boot, but you will receive an error message re time and date being wrong/needing to be set. Use the Apple Menu/Control Panel/Time and Date control panel to set the correct time zone, time and date. All will be well until you shutdown. At the next cold boot, you will get the Time and
Re: Beige G3 suddenly won't turn on
I am ready to conlcude that the power supply may have died as Jeff suggested. Since I last wrote in about this I pulled the PS cable from the MoBo and left the battery out for several days with a test lead shorting across the contacts in the holder. All PCI card are removed, the orignial 32Mb RAM stick is installed, the sound card and ROM were reseated. Then I pressed the cuda switch for a solid minute before inspecting the jumper settings again. I am looking for stock settings for PCI and main bus speed and added a 5x multiplier to get 333 MHz. The 350MHz zif from the BW should be happy with that. I still get only about one second of fan spin when I press the power button, then nothing. I guess this is not a lucky time for computer PSUs around here. I have two PC's both with PSU that appear to have died in the last 2 months. Is there a good way to test a power supply independent of the computer, with a voltmeter and the pinout diagram for instance Broos t...@io.com wrote: On Dec 3, 12:10 am, Bruce Godfrey bro...@verizon.net wrote: However, in my web surfing the topic today I realized that my attempt to reset the MoBo was not done correctly. I did not hold down the cuda button for a full 30-60 seconds. I have now pulled the battery, disconnected the power cable, shorted across the battery contacts, checked and found 3.6v in the battery, and am letting the computer sit for 24 hours or so. I also verified that I did not displace the PS choice jumper - still set for a Mac supply. Sometime tomorrow I will do a long press of the cuda switch and try this again. It may just be that your power supply died. Do you have an ATX power supply on hand which you could use for a test swap? I've had electronic components which were fine until I physically disturbed them, at which point they quit working because the power supply died--most notably VCRs, where I open them up and blow them clean and afterward the caps in the power supply give up. (Happily, Studio Sound Electronics sells VCR Power Supply repair kits. :-) ) The act of opening up the Beige, which involves rotating the power supply, may have jiggle something in an about-to-fail component. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 752126910 Your New Username Password
John, I am pretty sure that you did not send this to the G List. Can you check your outgoing mail just to make sure. The spammers are getting more aggressive on Google groups. They are starting to impersonate subscribed members and then posting to the group. This gets around moderation for new members so they can post to the group. Thanks, and let me know as soon as you can. Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com List Nanny G3-5 List On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:30 PM, John Musbach wrote: Hi grandpa thought this might be of interest. On 12/8/09, Loren Beck quintupledkt...@catsalut.net wrote: Acce pex ssRx pro aq vides Men’s He hua alth prod sd ucts to tr pcl eat ere it ctile dysf pow unction (ED). Cho der ose from all three FD jp A- appr kx oved ED pres brv crip owe tion medi ai cations: Via koh gra, Cia jg lis and Lev zyu itra. Only a small per fg cent fk age of men seek help for ED, alth mwo ough a lar mh ge num um ber of men expe nzh rience it in var rps ying deg cd rees. All three F hq DA-app nfh roved dru bc gs are pro ro ven to be eff qj ective in most hea wv lthy men. See Acces bkv sRx’s prod ir uct information pages for deta gsr ils about dos oh ages, dire mt ctions, side eff ivq ects, pre xbk cautions, freq axb uently ask ah ed ques ja tions, links to manu tq facturer web ki sites and patie ha nt/presc jy ribing infor bj mation. You can also acc cag ess aVia vbf gra, Ci lpd alis, Lev gq itra compa xig rison chart that sum vta marizes medi tdc cation info tn rmation for the thr wi ee ED d qj rugs in one cent aw ral loc djf ation. Via gig gra Silde zx nafil 50/100mg $1.42 Per P smj illMore info C nyq ia tm lis Tada et lafil 10/20mg $1.66 Per P ws illMore info Levi pts tra Vard ptz enafil 20mg $1.72 Per P llw illMore info -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Looking for Older Onyx
Hi Listers, Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me? Thanks! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
Dan writes, Aside -- Please do not invent quoting methods. Please quote text normally: use a at the beginning of each line quoted. Most email clients will do this automatically for you when you reply. Manually enclosing whole areas of text in angle-brackets does not make it obviously quoted to the eye. Nor is it automatically recognizable as quoted text by the mail client. And worse- it makes the Mac think there might be a URL in there, so it spends time trying to analyze it. U-HUH? I've been on LEM lists since 2003 and NOW there's a problem with how I post? The quoted comments in here method is how I saw it done on mailing lists (LEM and ones I'd been on in the mid and late 1990s) originally. I didn't invent it, I learned it from being on email lists. My emailer, Thunderbird, brings up a blank body with no quoting at all when I hit reply, so I paste in the text I'm replying to. I recall it being the same for my prior emailer, ClarisEmailer, as well. (I do this for ALL email, not just list email). Yes I've noticed the changes in how other posters post over time and I usually find it confusing, so I kept with what I originally learned so at least I can understand my own posts! LOL But, OK, if the quoted text all goes in here method actually confuses the Mac to think there's an URL, I'll just use quotation marks and not the brackets. (Or maybe I'll just paraphrase who I'm quoting so I don't have to worry about any kind of quotations!) See, now you're driving me to invent! Anyhow, back to Mac stuff, you said I could find out if my QS drive had spun down if there was less noise from the box, and that I should open the drive to hear it spin up. The answers to that are: 1. The QS has always been a nice quiet machine -- I almost never hear it at all. The only noisy component of my collection here is the external HD, which is on all the time so I can make immediate backups whenever I have to, and that thing is loud enough to make eveything else seem absolutely dead silent. 2. Respectfully, no, I can't open up the QS's drive. Remember I can't do anything mechanical, and even if I could, I'd hesitate about doing it with the QS powered on, which, for the drive to spin up or down, it would have to be. Right? Or maybe I'm just totally not getting this. And even so, if the machine is on, the HDs are good (I know they are) and the network is set up properly, if the drive did spin down/go to sleep while I wasn't using it, it would awaken/spin back up next time I accessed it, wouldn't it? Thanks for the instruction on Finder Preferences, Sidebar pane to get the QS to show the Network in the sidebar. It works great. :-) Mounting aliases of HDs from networked Macs seems to be pointless, though. I had the QS's HD Nucleolus mounted on the Mini and I made an alias of it. It worked, as in I could get in and at all the files by clicking on the alias, but it kept popping up the original real icon for the HD -- so why bother with the alias? And while I was able to fix the QS's Network settings since killing that bug (thank you for the lock-clicking in Security tip), The QS's other HD will still not remount on the Mini at all (it's greyed out when I go to select it), and the Mini will only occasionally and temporarily mount on the QS. (it disconnects!) Oh well, even though there are still these couple of minor issues, having the Mini up and running, and the network/KVM system AT ALL, is so vastly better than the way it was before, so perhaps I should just shut up and learn to live with the minor issues! Thanks, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Hi Listers, Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me? Thanks! ~Yersinia. Hi Yersinia See http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english/apps.html for all your Onyx needs... Best regards, Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 752126910 Your New Username Password
Really weird, indeed it looks like a slammer spoofed my email address. :-( On 12/9/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: John, I am pretty sure that you did not send this to the G List. Can you check your outgoing mail just to make sure. The spammers are getting more aggressive on Google groups. They are starting to impersonate subscribed members and then posting to the group. This gets around moderation for new members so they can post to the group. Thanks, and let me know as soon as you can. Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com List Nanny G3-5 List On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:30 PM, John Musbach wrote: Hi grandpa thought this might be of interest. On 12/8/09, Loren Beck quintupledkt...@catsalut.net wrote: Acce pex ssRx pro aq vides Men’s He hua alth prod sd ucts to tr pcl eat ere it ctile dysf pow unction (ED). Cho der ose from all three FD jp A- appr kx oved ED pres brv crip owe tion medi ai cations: Via koh gra, Cia jg lis and Lev zyu itra. Only a small per fg cent fk age of men seek help for ED, alth mwo ough a lar mh ge num um ber of men expe nzh rience it in var rps ying deg cd rees. All three F hq DA-app nfh roved dru bc gs are pro ro ven to be eff qj ective in most hea wv lthy men. See Acces bkv sRx’s prod ir uct information pages for deta gsr ils about dos oh ages, dire mt ctions, side eff ivq ects, pre xbk cautions, freq axb uently ask ah ed ques ja tions, links to manu tq facturer web ki sites and patie ha nt/presc jy ribing infor bj mation. You can also acc cag ess aVia vbf gra, Ci lpd alis, Lev gq itra compa xig rison chart that sum vta marizes medi tdc cation info tn rmation for the thr wi ee ED d qj rugs in one cent aw ral loc djf ation. Via gig gra Silde zx nafil 50/100mg $1.42 Per P smj illMore info C nyq ia tm lis Tada et lafil 10/20mg $1.66 Per P ws illMore info Levi pts tra Vard ptz enafil 20mg $1.72 Per P llw illMore info -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
Ted writes, See http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english/apps.html for all your Onyx needs... Thank you for the link, but I found that yesterday and downloaded the 1.8.5 one since it said Tiger, only it turned out to have a minimum system requirement of 10.4.3 (my Mini runs 10.4.2, yes, deliberately). Anyway, I just took a shot out of the blue and copied my Onyx 1.7.5 from the Quicksilver (even though that runs 10.4.11) to the Mini. It opened and while it seems to be taking a zillion years to do it (seriously, about half an hour: I started it and left it to run while I cooked and ate brunch), it's forcibly emptying the Trash like I told it to. Seems it's taking way too long to do this, though. Maybe I'll download the Panther version and see if that will run on the Mini. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
At 10:49 AM -0500 12/9/2009, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: The QS has always been a nice quiet machine -- I almost never hear it at all. The only noisy component of my collection here is the external HD, which is on all the time so I can make immediate backups whenever I have to, and that thing is loud enough to make eveything else seem absolutely dead silent. ah. I was hoping that was an easy way to tell if that drive was still spinning. The drives in my Power Macs each make individual sounds... Respectfully, no, I can't open up the QS's drive. Remember I can't do anything mechanical, No. I meant double-click on the volume's icon on the Mac's desktop! Not open the box. Unless it's already been done (so the data is cached by Finder), this will cause it to spin up. Mounting aliases of HDs from networked Macs seems to be pointless, though. I had the QS's HD Nucleolus mounted on the Mini and I made an alias of it. It worked, as in I could get in and at all the files by clicking on the alias, but it kept popping up the original real icon for the HD -- so why bother with the alias? The point of the alias is for it to be on your Mini's desktop when the shared volume is NOT mounted on the Mini. Then, instead of having to go into the Networks pane, waiting for the browser client to refresh things, then connect to the drive etc you just double-click on that alias and it mounts that volume immediately. Once it's mounted on your desktop, yes, there are two icons - the real thing and the alias, redundant in function. But again, when you dismount that shared volume the alias will still be there, to be used to get it back quickly. The QS's other HD will still not remount on the Mini at all (it's greyed out when I go to select it), and the Mini will only occasionally and temporarily mount on the QS. (it disconnects!) As a test, on the QS, Energy Saver system preferences, uncheck the spin down item. See if that fixes the availability issue. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 problems
Yersinia is correct about your PRAM battery being suspect. If you don't have a suitable multimeter or battery tester, one way to find out if the battery is any good is to remove it entirely, and try starting up without it. You system should boot, but you will receive an error message re time and date being wrong/needing to be set. Use the Apple Menu/Control Panel/Time and Date control panel to set the correct time zone, time and date. All will be well until you shutdown. At the next cold boot, you will get the Time and Date error again unless you install a new PRAM battery. The problem is the machine wasn`t booting at all! The machine boot stops after a couple seconds and then shuts down. I can give it a try, of course. As someone mentioned, I`ll try to clean the PSU with compressed air before. As far as I could tell, it had lots of dust inside. If you have the wrong RAM DIMM modules, you will hear the sound of breaking glass at strat-up instead of the normal start-up chord. The first time it booted after replacing the RAM hardware test was passed succefully, but got the bomb dialog when OS 9 loaded telling there was an app problem and the computer needed a safe restart from the keyboard. at that time I only an USB keyboard connected to the USB/FireWire PCI card which, of course, wasn`t working. It took me a week to try again with an ADB keyboard and them all of this happened Thanks for your suggestions! Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
On 09-12-2009 16:49, yersi...@cybernex.net, yersi...@cybernex.net, wrote: Hi Listers, Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me? Thanks! ~Yersinia. Hello Yersina, Well, I have the following Onyx versions on CD: 1.1.8 Aug. '03 1.2.7 Sept. '03 1.4.0 Dec. '03 1.5.0 Mar. '05 1.7.5 Oct. '06 1.8.5 Dec. '07 2.0.5b2 mar. '08 Just let me know which one you want to have. Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2 Praytell? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
Dan writes, Do not run the Panther version on Tiger. As with most maintenance/utility/tools - using older versions on a newer OS is rarely a good plan and could damage things! Until we find the right vers If you say what tasks you're trying to perform we can probably provide the Terminal commands to do it... My original reason for wanting Onyx on the Mini was because I had to force Empty Trash. Then I realized that although it's not a daily thing, I have liked having Onyx on the Quicksilver and occasionally run the cleaning and maintenance routines, so why not have it for the Mini too? Don't worry, I couldn't get the Panther version to even install on the Mini. Update: The version I had on the Quicksilver (I moved a copy over to the Mini) force emptied the Trash for me but I had to force quit it when I had it doing other cleaning things (sorry I can't recall which exactly) - I had set that up and let it run two hours or so while I went grocery shopping! But it was still going when I got back, and it just seemed so wrong that it should take that long. I don't recall it taking that long on the Quicksilver! Anyway, when I have time I'll open up Onyx and make a list of the things I do with it on the Quicksilver, which I'd like to do on the Mini. Thank you. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Ipod charging on G4
Does anyone know how long it should take my G4 gigabit ethernet to charge a first generation Ipod nano? Paul Riemerman -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
On 09-12-2009 22:24, Kris Tilford, ktilfo...@cox.net, wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2 Sorry Kris, but it was not me writing this. Please reread the involved messages carefully before writing things like these. Praytell? See above!! Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
You can't update the Mini to 10.4.11??? You can find it in the Apple archives downloads for updates!!! -Original Message- From: yersi...@cybernex.net Sent: Dec 9, 2009 10:49 AM To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for Older Onyx Hi Listers, Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me? Thanks! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: You can't update the Mini to 10.4.11??? You can find it in the Apple archives downloads for updates!!! IIRC, the mini is Yersinia's dedicated Sims computer and some of her add ons won't run on anything higher than 10.4.2. That is why it needs to stay there and she has a QS running 10.4.11. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Ipod charging on G4
greetings i have a 1 gen nano with that was replaced by apple with a new one. for overheating when charging and then it started to display a blue screen . i have a apple g4 500mhz and only takes about an hour or less to charge. you may have a bad battery. after about 20 min you should have a charge on it to where you can tell if its working or not . jim -Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of PAR Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: G-Group Subject: Ipod charging on G4 Does anyone know how long it should take my G4 gigabit ethernet to charge a first generation Ipod nano? Paul Riemerman -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 suddenly won't turn on
Bruce Godfrey wrote: I am ready to conlcude that the power supply may have died as Jeff suggested. snip= I guess this is not a lucky time for computer PSUs around here. I have two PC's both with PSU that appear to have died in the last 2 months. Is there a good way to test a power supply independent of the computer, with a voltmeter and the pinout diagram for instance There may be a house wiring problem if they were plugged in to the same wall outlet. Are you using a surge protector or battery back up? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
