Re: why is this MDD overheating?
-- Original message -- Subject: why is this MDD overheating? Date:Mittwoch 30 Dezember 2009N From:Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Ok, before I begin, here's the specs. Dual 1.25 MDD 2gb ram, 200gb, leopard 10.5.8 Last night I pulled the power supply and cleaned it like I've done a couple times before and reinstalled it. Only this time, the main fan, which I figured I'd clean too while I was at it, accidentally got put in backwards (yes, I did that..) well, obviously it didn't take but about 4 minutes to overheat and smell like burnt plastic and shut down (sleep mode).. then I forced a shut down and opened the machine to find the fan in wrong. Well, here's where it gets interesting... I flipped the fan around, and powered it up, starts off fine, normal fan noise (rpm) then as I watch, istat is telling me a slow increase... it's climbing, climbing... past 150f... fan kicks up another notch .. 160f sounds like the fan is full throttle at this point... this is with very little or no load on the CPU (itunes, mail) then I power down, and figured I'd put a fresh application of thermal grease on the processors. still the same problem/result? how do I get this back down to 130f-140f where it was? what possible damage could I have done to this poor MDD? your turn... thanks in advance. Jeff I had got a heavily used MDD Dual 1.0 GHz and found that the fans where at a very high speed all the time. Working with the MDD was possible and I never had shut-downs. Only in summer, when the ambient temperature was higher, the MDD would suddenly put itself out at heavier workloads, I'm certain due to overtemperature of the processors. I then replaced the thermal compound between the processor and the heat sink. And this was the solution. The fans suddenly where at lower speeds all the time, and the processor core temperatures where lower. How old is the thermal compound on your processors? Maybe you should replace it. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ID's and multiple SCSI busses
At 7:17 PM -0800 12/30/2009, Bruce Godfrey wrote: Might it be that this is just too many things all claiming to be at ID 7? Each SCSI bus (real or virtual) has its own addressing. They do not collide. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ID's and multiple SCSI busses
SCSI probe is very similar, yes. The ATTO card, a UL3D, has two busses. Broos Stewie de Young wrote: Doesn't SCSI Probe do much the same thing ? http://scsiprobe.mac.findmysoft.com/ So you only have one ATTO PCI SCSI card but two are showing up ? Stewie Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:17:21 -0800 From: bro...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: ID's and multiple SCSI busses This is an offshoot from the thread I previously started about setting up SCSI HD in B/W. I found a reference to a freeware control panel for OS 9, I think in a post on an Apple tech forum. This control panel is called Mt. Everything and is supposed to be the last word in SCSI handling under OS9. So I downloaded and tried it out while booted into OS 9. What it displays is a list of the SCSI ID's, 1-15, and what is present at each one. You can select an item and open a pop-up window with information about it. What I see is interesting. The list is empty except for ID 7. At 7 you see the following: BUS: Apple Virtual Bus 0 Apple Computer Motherboard 1 ATTO PCI card 2 ATTO PCI card Getting further information on each of these items shows that the SCSI ID of the Bus Controller in each case is 7. From the Mt. Everything readme: On a Blue White PowerMac G3 and more recent models you'll end up in both an empty Motherboard bus ID 0 and an empty Virtual Bus. This is not an error in Mt. Everything: Current Mac OS software fakes an onboard SCSI bus (probably for compatibility reasons) even if there is no hardware for an onboard bus. Might it be that this is just too many things all claiming to be at ID 7? Broos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Check out Domain Radar NOW! A world FIRST in property search has arrived! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ID's and multiple SCSI busses
Dan wrote: At 7:17 PM -0800 12/30/2009, Bruce Godfrey wrote: Might it be that this is just too many things all claiming to be at ID 7? Each SCSI bus (real or virtual) has its own addressing. They do not collide. - Dan. Thanks for confirming that Dan. That is what I thought. At this point my only choices for troubleshooting seem to be to find a known good cable and drive I can borrow and try out. Broos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New SD camera card reader
Hello again, Stewie- Well, I got one of those SD card readers. I works fine in OS 9 X. Took a month to get it though. From Hong Kong. Good deal, cheap. -Michael On Nov 26, 2:10 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: If the SD card is the only card you use then all you need is one of thesehttp://cgi.ebay.com/SDHC-SD-USB-2-0-Memory-Card-Reader-for-2GB-4GB-8G... I paid $2 for mine + post then bought another for my Powerbook. Small, simple, fast ( well as fast as USB2.0 will allow anyway ). Stewie Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:41:33 -0800 Subject: New SD camera card reader From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com My Dazzle card reader seems to have gone the way of all card readers. It won't mount or do anything though it shows up in system profile and not disk utility with my card inserted. These things seem to be about the cheapest cheepo-built peripheral I've ever shopped for. Can I get some recommendations for shopping for a new one? Oh, I'll use it for Mac OS 9 and X too! Thank you! -Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Looking to move this spring? With all the lastest places, searching has never been easier. Look now!http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire ports stop working? - iTunes query
I don't know if this would help??? But I found something out by accident with my Clamshell iBooks... I bought a graphite and white 466 for parts because I wanted to upgrade my indigo and white 366 to 466 by swapping the motherboard but before I swapped them I got the graphite and white working and when I went to plug in my iPod it would only charge, it wouldn't mount and I thought the firewire port was the problem??? I have 2 Indigo clamshells and they worked great one of them was already upgraded to the 466 board and I wanted to do the other one too!!! So I decided I would live without the firewire port and I swapped them out, low and behold the firewire port worked so I figured it had something to do with the info on my HD that mounted it and when I put the 366 into the graphite and white one it didn't mount... I figured I could only boot my iPod from only 2 or 3 different computers, the only ones it will work in are my 2 clamshells and my Titanium Powerbook... It won't work in my friends clamshell but his iPod does (and his works in one of mine) and it won't work in my daughters clamshell either??? I was thinking Apple did this to protect iTunes and copying music??? So after reading this thread I figured I would share this too!!! -Original Message- From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net Sent: Dec 30, 2009 11:16 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Firewire ports stop working? - iTunes query On 12/30/09 9:56 PM, Dana Collins of dlcatft...@verizon.net sent On 12/30/09 8:18 PM, Stewie de Young of stewies...@hotmail.com sent Some pertinent links here http://www.wiebetech.com/whitepapers/FireWirePortFailures.php http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1534543 Stewie Thank you for the links, Stevie. Most helpful. -Dana As a follow up to this, an indirect but related issue - testing my FireWire ports, I discovered that none of my FW syncing cables (I used with my 3rd and 4th gen. iPods) worked (I could charge, but not sync). One cable going bad is anticipated, but all three at once? Reestablishing contact to the FW ports did not change the non-syncing issue. My guess is iTunes 9.x has cut FW syncing support. Can anybody confirm this suspicion if true? Thanks, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Screensaver?
Hi, I installed OS 9 on my G3, maxed out the memory and it works great! Free computer, free software, what I need is: How do you get the screensaver to work, or is there one, or do I have to download something that is missing, or what?? Thank you from a duh user. Gary -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screensaver?
On 12/31/09 5:08 PM, Gary Conrad of kc7...@gmail.com sent Hi, I installed OS 9 on my G3, maxed out the memory and it works great! Free computer, free software, what I need is: How do you get the screensaver to work, or is there one, or do I have to download something that is missing, or what?? Thank you from a duh user. Gary Hi Gary, No such thing as a duh question or answer when it comes to computers, imho. OS 9 traditionally did not ship with a native screen saver (as OS X does), but there were several 3rd party solutions, some of them quite elegant. Generally they acted as small applications that you would put in you Control Panels folder or Startup Items - it would launch at start up, but engage only on cue (when you told it to according to your preferences set-up). I seem to recall, towards the end of the OS 9 era, that many created theirs using Macromedia Director (a precursor to Flash). Maybe there are some sites still around doling out such OS 9 goodies. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screensaver?
I use BlackWatch on my OS9 boxes :) http://homepage.mac.com/thecloud/blackwatch.html On Dec 31, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Gary Conrad wrote: Hi, I installed OS 9 on my G3, maxed out the memory and it works great! Free computer, free software, what I need is: How do you get the screensaver to work, or is there one, or do I have to download something that is missing, or what?? Thank you from a duh user. Gary -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoying on-screen windows after startup
Kris, an excellent suggestion, and I thank you for it. Unfortunately, to my own surprise, that wasn't the problem in this case. Kasey, this happens after the OS boots. It puts them on the otherwise normal desktop, just as they'd be if I actually wanted them there. Except I... uh... er... don't. On Dec 30, 3:08 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:10 PM, tonycd wrote: Having these two windows congest the screen on every start is annoying. How do I snuff them? A good place to start is to go to System PreferencesAccounts and highlight the ~user account and go to Login Items to see what applications daemons are launching at login. Likely you'll see the OS 9 classic program listed. You highlight any you don't want and use the - button to delete them from the Login Item startup list. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screensaver?
On Dec 31, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Gary Conrad wrote: Hi, I installed OS 9 on my G3, maxed out the memory and it works great! Free computer, free software, what I need is: How do you get the screensaver to work, or is there one, or do I have to download something that is missing, or what?? http://www.pure-mac.com/screensaver.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
