Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Freitag 22 Januar 2010N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 9:08 PM +0100 1/21/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: I've just made an old G3 BW working again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working with it, in other words: it is slow. Why? What did you do to it? My 300-MHz Smurf handles files just as fast as my 1.5 GHz PB G4, and my housemate's x GHz AMD Windoze machine. Safari displays pages almost as fast as they do too. Iffa your Smurf is slow, then you messed something up. Might well be. I installed Tiger using my G4. I did all the updates and installed everything System Update was offering (including iTunes 9.0.2). I've then put the HDD into the G3 BW and it booted fine and as far as I can see it runs all the software (I haven't tried iTunes yet and maybe I never will) without any errors or system hangs. Additional software is: Microsoft Office:Mac 2004 GIMP 2.6.6 OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 Scribus 1.3.5.1 and some additional (system) tools: Stuffit Expander 13.0.3 7zX 0.7.1 VLC 0.9.10 (the newer 1.0.3 requires Leopard...) Open XML File Format Converter 1.1.3 (for Office:Mac 2004) OnyX 1.8.5 muCommander 0.8.4 Carbon Copy Cloner 3.2.1 Adobe Reader 9.2 (I yet have to update to 9.3!) Bean 2.4.2 Smultron 3.1.2 (newest requires Leopard) 0xED 1.0.7 DOSBox 0.7.3 Burn 2.3 (the G3 build) the (mandatory) internet stuff: Mozilla Firefox 3.5.2 (as I'm writing this 3.6 is out) Camino 2.0.1 Flash Player 10.0.42.34 Shockwave Player 11.5.2.602 Little Snitch 2.1.4 (THIS may slow things down) Transmission 1.54 (newest requires Leopard or even Snow Leopard) TeamViewer 4.1.6886 (I'm occationally helping out friends) I'm also using some 3rd party drivers (kext, kernel extensions): ATIcellerator II 1.0.6b NTFS-3G 2004.04.04 with MacFUSE HPIJS 3.9.2 (updated HP printer drivers for CUPS, by the Linux Foundation) and the Wester Digital external HDD software for My Passport. I've skipped Windows Media Components for Quicktime 2.3.0.14, since the 350 MHz G3 won't be able to play WMV files anyway. Any hint on that? What should or should I not do to make it *feel* faster? When I say that it's slow I'm comparing it to my G4 Dual-800 which is feeling responsive. The G3 BW 350 MHz lets me wait a lot, e.g. when I start typing I can see the letters on the screen one or two seconds later until it finished loading (the HDD is working a lot), thereafter it starts acting normal i.e. without delay. This is even so when it already finished loading = sitting there for some time waiting for me doing something with it. This starts right after boot-up when the login screen (for the password) is displayed. I type the password, and the stars * are displayed a second later, sometimes it also doesn't take my Enter key for confirmation and keeps me waiting to hit enter again. Don't get me wrong on this -- I'm very happy with my BW. I love the idea that it is older than a decade and still being useful for me. I use it for writing texts and spreadsheets mainly, and for that it suffices for me. I have to say though that Word and Excel 2004 are a little bit faster than OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 (the latest) is. OpenOffice is just too big and slow, takes a minute or two to even start. Internet browsing feels a lot slower too compared to the Dual-QS. But that was expected. The speed is okay for what I do. Watching YouTube videos isn't a good idea though, as almost 23 out of 24 frames are skipped (subjective feeling, don't let me quote a reliable source on this!). Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. cite? All my Macs, that run System 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Panther, and Tiger, are still running. They didn't suddenly gak the other day. It's not that they would have stopped working. Why should an old system suddenly stop working? No. I meant that Tiger users don't get any more updates, especially security updates. And most newer software (take Smultron for example, a simple editor) doesn't support Tiger anymore. You may think what's wrong using the older version? You've got a point here. Actually, nothings wrong with that. It is just a fact. The only thing I don't feel comfortable with is using older browsers or older versions of Java and JavaScript, but also Adobe Reader and off course Flash Player. I'd also add Quicktime-like software like the VLC Video Player to this list. They've just fixed some serious bugs in Adobe Reader that did affect the Mac OS X version as well as the Windows and UNIX version. I don't recall reading, that possible exploints will be Windows-only. http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-02.html I highly recommend using the newest
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
One more angle: I like to type stuff in silence. Now where do you find a silent computer these days, and a notebook at that? My 15-y old Powerbook 1400 (with G3 processor upgrade) has a 1GB compact flash card for a hard drive, and it doesn’t have a fan. It runs on Mac OS 8.6, just enough for simple browsing, so I can use google mail (in simple html mode) and e.g. type this reply. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:51 PM -0800 1/21/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general. I've seen information about Apple no longer providing parts for PowerPC-based Mac repairs, in some cases. But as for no longer supporting Tiger? Please provide specific citations. I'm thinking that's just general rumour or something. Some Apple software requires 10.5 or better, iWork for example. This is not a good example. iWork '09 does not require 10.5 or better: http://www.apple.com/iwork/systemrequirements.html It works just fine on my PowerMac G4 under OS 10.4.11 OOPS, bad reading on my part. Sorry. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Samstag 23 Januar 2010N From:Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com One more angle: I like to type stuff in silence. Now where do you find a silent computer these days, and a notebook at that? My 15-y old Powerbook 1400 (with G3 processor upgrade) has a 1GB compact flash card for a hard drive, and it doesn’t have a fan. It runs on Mac OS 8.6, just enough for simple browsing, so I can use google mail (in simple html mode) and e.g. type this reply. My experience is different, since all the Macs I have make a lot of noise. The most silent Power Mac I own is the G5 Late 2005 which has liquid cooling (even though it is the 2.0 GHz single processor (Dual Core) model -- I've read contrary information at everymac.com about the cooling system). The most silent computer I have is the IBM ThinkPad R51 from 2004. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Freitag 22 Januar 2010N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com OpenSSL CVE-ID: CVE-2009-3555 Available for: Mac OS X v10.5.8, Mac OS X Server v10.5.8, Mac OS X v10.6.2, Mac OS X Server v10.6.2 Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may capture data or change the operations performed in sessions protected by SSL While this is applicable to all implementations of SSL (it's a direct protocol failure), I'm not finding or hearing of any code that takes advantage of it on a Mac. I don't think that this is at all architecture specific. Every secure page (https://...) could be affected by it, and it doesn't matter if you're sitting in front of a PowerPC-based Mac, an ALPHA-based DEC, or an x86 (Intel/AMD)- based PC, as long as you direct your browser to an SSL encrypted page, and this very browser utilizes the operating systems capabilities to manage SSL. Mac OS X and almost all UNIXes use OpenSSL for this job. All are affected. On every architecture. That is how I understand it. But maybe I'm wrong again. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
For me, the answer is simple: My G4 PPC works perfectly and runs the software that I need at an acceptable speed. An added advantage is that my G4 can still boot into OS 9 when needed and I can connect my old SCSI hard drives easily too. I have several friends that insist on buying the latest and the greatest from Apple or various software vendors. I, on the other hand, am happy with what I have. My only complaint with my G4 is that it is a little jerky when I watch videos on the internet...voice and video are a little out of sync. My wife has a G5 iMac, and I have an Intel based laptop that one of my schools issued meboth are very fast and very slickbut neither Mac makes me envious. So, in short, I will upgrade when I have to but probably not before. Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
At 2:45 PM -0800 1/22/2010, John Niven wrote: Like all good rumor there is truth in some of this. Semiconductor line widths have become so small that the operating voltage has had to be reduced constantly to combat leakage and NBTI effects. Having a overvoltage condition is VERY hazardous to a cpu's life. We in the semiconductor industry [...] Are smart enough to put diodes and such in there to protect the chips from such conditions. And besides, the power managers in products such as Macintosh are designed so they just can't crank out so much power as to fry the chips etc. My experience is that today's cpu degrade very noticeably through stress. I would not expect today's cpu's to have the same longevity as in the past. Good enough for the market? Maybe. If by today's cpu's [sic] you mean Intel's products (processors, and other chips), then I agree. They're simply not designed for long life, and then there are quality control issues... However, I would have expected that these systems were designed to be fail-safe i.e. the default condition is the voltages start at a safe maximum and the fans are full on. Exactly. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 9:30 AM At 2:45 PM -0800 1/22/2010, John Niven wrote: Like all good rumor there is truth in some of this. Semiconductor line widths have become so small that the operating voltage has had to be reduced constantly to combat leakage and NBTI effects. Having a overvoltage condition is VERY hazardous to a cpu's life. We in the semiconductor industry [...] Are smart enough to put diodes and such in there to protect the chips from such conditions. And besides, the power managers in products such as Macintosh are designed so they just can't crank out so much power as to fry the chips etc. http://www.semiconductor.net/article/205454-NBTI_A_Growing_Threat_to_Device_Reliability.phphttp://www.semiconductor.net/article/205454-NBTI_A_Growing_Threat_to_Device_Reliability.php We DO have circuits to protect against ESD, but I'm talking about much subtler conditions that lead to performance degredation of the transistors themselves. The practical upshot is the speed of the parts degrades, so since thats fixed by the clock, the cpu will eventually malfunction, happening first when it is hot. We have to sell the parts at a lower rated speed to allow a Useful life before the speed is no longer met. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?
On Jan 22, 10:49 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Disk Utility can work with and produce all three, which you use is determined by your eventual output needs. Thank you Bruce and all others for your clarification. Sounds like for my needs it makes little difference I like the sound of the Master .cdr though Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 22, 2:46 pm, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date: Freitag 22 Januar 2010N From: Da'Birdman sa...@defalcos.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I've seen a lot of good, well thought-out replies on this: They work well for my needs, It's what I can afford, or even, perhaps, They're fun to upgrade and play with. (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing here.) But, no one has asked the obvious question, Why would anyone join a group dedicated to Power PC G machines and ask why you are still using them? Duh! If you didn't have a reason, wouldn't you just move on to a Mac Mini (I own two, but still love my Power PC's) or an iMac and leave this group? I'm not trying to flame on here, but I just think it's odd that a G-List member would question the reasons for owning and working on the very kinds of machines the list is dedicated to. I mean, I wonder why there are people still working with System 6, but obviously they have their own reasons. I wouldn't join the group and then question why they are doing it. It just seems a bit odd to me. Does it seem strange to anyone else? Would it have made sense to ask this question in another group? Would, for example, the Intel-Group have answers to such a question? Perhaps so, but apparently nobody else thought that this was odd other than me, so I'm guessing this was the right place to pose your questions. To explain myself: 1) I am not a native speaker, so the language barrier may be an issue. I don't think so. Your English is better than a lot of Americans! :-) 2) I started using Macs of any kind about two years ago. So my knowledge of Macs is very new to me, but old (in lack of a better word I cannot cum up with right now) to others. 3) I recently got some older Power Macs, got infected by their design and them being different, e.g. NOT Windows and NOT Intel. You're beginning to answer your own questions, then! 4) I come from a Linux background. Updates come regularly and Linux can be used on old machines as well as on new machines. But the point is, as long as you go with supported distros and supported open source software projects, you'll always recieve updates and security fixes. But no Linux distros come from the manufacturer of the hardware. Apple has a financial incentive to move people up to new hardware. The Linux distros don't. 5) I've just finished installing Mac OS X and I'm working with it a little bit now. I like Mac OS X and in my oppinion starting with Mac OS X 10.3 Panther it is really a great and reliably operating system. I think Tiger is the ultimate OS for Power PC G Machines, but it does love ram. Is your Blue White maxed out at 1024 megs of ram? It makes a noticeable difference in performance, and even though it is not intuitive, I find Tiger performs noticeably faster than Panther. 6) Now I'm looking at it -- with the Linux background -- and come to see that Panther really isn't safe anymore. And that is not the worst. If I use Panther, I cannot use a lot of free software that I would like to use (like Firefox, VLC, OpenOffice, and so on). What good is an operating system without applications? That's like buying the I'm a PC (and I'm cheap!) But, of course, then you have to buy a bunch of programs to run on your new, stripped PC. These would have been included in the more expensive Mac. Where's the value now? As for as the inability to run the free software on the older G Machines, I think you just have to bite the bullet and go with Tiger and load the computers up with lots o' ram. 7) A lot of people replied that they are using old software that runs quite happily on their Power Macs (and not at all on Intel-Macs). Well, my situation is different since I don't have and never had older Mac software. But, this does explain why they are using the older G machines. You asked - they answered. 8) And last but not least -- I wanted to ask you G-users what you are using your Power Macs for. And if you don't experience the same difficulties regarding software as I do. No? Then I'm sorry. Maybe it is the language, or I'm just crazy. If you run Tiger, I think you'll find fewer issues, at least for the time being. Of course, it'll just be a matter of time before a lot of the freeware out there will require Intel and Leopard, Snow Leopard or OS 10.7 (Garfield?). Either way I want to thank you all for your participation and your time. I really appreciate it. I've read a lot about people using Macs since decades and running their old but still functional software on them. I've read that people would like newer Macs but the money issue stand between wanting and getting. And I've read that I shouldn't tell people what the are gonna do or not do (for which I still feel responsible and I'd like to apologise). No apology necessary.
Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?
On Jan 22, 10:49 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Disk Utility can work with and produce all three, which you use is determined by your eventual output needs. Thank you Bruce and all others for your clarification. Sounds like for my needs it makes little difference I like the sound of the Master .cdr though Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
The used Apples I bought had the classic programs taken off. I tried to add them again but couldn't . They only worked partially. Apple works was great though when it worked. -- From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:37 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? For me, the answer is simple: My G4 PPC works perfectly and runs the software that I need at an acceptable speed. An added advantage is that my G4 can still boot into OS 9 when needed and I can connect my old SCSI hard drives easily too. I have several friends that insist on buying the latest and the greatest from Apple or various software vendors. I, on the other hand, am happy with what I have. My only complaint with my G4 is that it is a little jerky when I watch videos on the internet...voice and video are a little out of sync. My wife has a G5 iMac, and I have an Intel based laptop that one of my schools issued meboth are very fast and very slickbut neither Mac makes me envious. So, in short, I will upgrade when I have to but probably not before. Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
It's was the same when people asked, Why don't you just throw away that IIsi? The IIsi can still run MS Word 4, boots up quicker than any PPC and Intel Mac I know of and if you can still find a use for the thing then it ain't dead. Surfing the web with it is tricky, but it was my main computer up until 1999 when I bought a BW. I use it with my special needs students running old edu software that is simple and way better (IMO) than what's currently out there for the newer systems. Also with 64MB, playing Marathon is still a hoot. As for the G's, as stated above and others have mentioned they are not dead until people can't find any use for them. With all these newer versions of the same apps, what other bells and whistles do you need to write a letter or a novel or make a card? E-mail is still text based and never needed any fancy graphics (although Jobs would like you to think otherwise). JPEG's and Gif's and PNGs can still be viewed by older PPC's. I can still view most web sites (unless they're frickin' IE specific! DAMN Winbloze IT at work) and surfing the internet will become more dangerous? For PPC Macs? Since when? Anyway if you want your BW to run faster simply upgrade the processor (o/c it if you want to 600 max.) and max out the RAM. Mine runs Tiger quite efficiently and it's used more for entertainment and storage. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark mjsteph...@everestkc.net wrote: I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. Go right ahead...your system will run Tiger just fine! -- Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Samstag 23 Januar 2010N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 11:59 AM +0100 1/23/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: Why? What did you do to it? My 300-MHz Smurf handles files just as fast as my 1.5 GHz PB G4, and my housemate's x GHz AMD Windoze machine. Safari displays pages almost as fast as they do too. Iffa your Smurf is slow, then you messed something up. Might well be. I installed Tiger using my G4. I did all the updates and installed everything System Update was offering Do you use Dashboard? If not, disable it (with OnyX). It's chewing up 40 MB real memory. Yes, Dashboard is disabled. I don't use it so I have it disabled on all my Macs (except the G5 -- it really doesn't matter there). Check to see how much cpu time Spotlight's indexing is chewing (md* processes). You may find your system is much more responsive if you disable the indexing. (Search this LEM list for the details of using the mdutil commands to do it). I'll do so as soon as I'm in the office again next week. Thanks for the hint. (including iTunes 9.0.2). iTunes performance is pretty much a total embarrassment to Apple. That being said, while 9 is required to talk to much of the iTunes Store now, the offical version for G3 systems is 8.2.1. I knew that iTunes 9 is no longer officially for the G3s, but I didn't care at the time of installation as I thought I'll not be using it much anyway. I prefer much slimmer applications for listening to music, but the real reason is that in the office it is not really possible for me to have music on anyway. GIMP 2.6.6 GIMP is nice. I prefer GraphicConverter 5.9.5 on the Smurf. I'll check it out. But I'm guessing that GraphicConverter isn't free... I won't be buying additional software. I'm using graphics software so rarely that it wouldn't be worth the investment. OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 Slow on any sub-GHz system. AppleWorks kicks its butt. All my documents are OpenDocument now. Besides OpenOffice I don't know which other applications truely supports this. I'm willing to wait for the application to start just to get compatible documents. The same is true for Microsoft Office:Mac 2004 -- which is by the way the only software I bought (second hand) for the Mac. Stuffit Expander 13.0.3 Known to clobber Finder's performance, and cause so many other problems... StuffIt is pretty much crapware these days. Make it go away. Thanks. But how? Do I just drag it to the pin? Carbon Copy Cloner 3.2.1 Update this. I thought it was the newest version. I'll check. Adobe Reader 9.2 (I yet have to update to 9.3!) If you don't need Reader for something specific, use Preview instead. Reader is typical Adobe crapware - it's full of security holes etc. I read somewhere that Preview is using xpdf code, which has security issues for its own too. (Meaning that some issues affect xpdf only, while others affect Acrobat only.) Anyway, Preview is slimmer, true. I'm having Adobe Reader installed for compatibility reasons though. I sometimes have to work with PDFs, including PDF forms and I'm not sure wether Preview supports it all. Burn 2.3 (the G3 build) Nice build of ffmpeg therein; I use it often (t'was easier than building my own copy). But then I use Sizzle to create the DVD itself - much better control etc. I'll check out Sizzle. I've Burn only for this one time when I really need to burn an optical media (propably a CD)... ...Performance tip: Transcoding is very cpu intensive, which can really slow your system's response time. So I get the process going, then renice it to +10. This essentially lowers its priority, so the system will kick it to the curb faster when I start using the Mac for other things. When I walk away from my Mac, I'm careful to sleep the display or at least put the mouse in the screen saver off corner. I'd rather the cpu time was given to ffmpeg or Sizzle than the screen saver. sudo renice +10 pid I'll keep that in mind, but it's not applicable to me. I always shut my BW down completely. I noticed that when putting it to sleep, part of the fans keep working (the power supply?) and this is a no-go situation. I don't know if the power supply is original or not. (You remember I got this G3 BW as a present and it was not working at all at first, so I'm happy with it anyway.) Mozilla Firefox 3.5.2 (as I'm writing this 3.6 is out) Camino 2.0.1 Flash Player 10.0.42.34 Shockwave Player 11.5.2.602 Be sure to install a Flash blocker in your browsers. Amazing how fast the web becomes when Flash is put under tight control!!! I'm using NoScript in Firefox. But Flash is not the friction here: I also installed AdBlock Plus with some filters -- Firefox takes over 3 minutes to start with even one or two filters active. The ad filters
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
At 11:58 AM -0700 1/23/10, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark You could even do a little poking around and install Leo on there and it would run fine. :D (Leo takes a workaround for under 876MHz G4's, but dual 533MHz might even be faster then an 876MHz...) Tiger will likely run faster for you than Panther on that machine. I have a near identical DA. Leopard should work as well, but it may be a little slower than Tiger. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 MHz G4
(Quote) On 1/23/10 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 of macuser330...@gmx.net sent Full ACK. Consider the QS option for you (buying a used one for around 100 Dollars with no HDDs and no RAM makes your upgrade easy -- you'd just go for the CPU speed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 (end Quote) Hi Andreas, No, the QS (and the DA before it) need PC 133 RAM - 512Mb sticks x3 for a max RAM capacity of 1.5 Gig (it is the only downgrade of the QS/DA to the Sawtooth - the Sawtooth has 4 Ram slots so you could actually max at 2 Gig RAM in it). Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On 1/23/2010 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: If you want to reuse parts like memory, you're much better off with the Dual-1 GHz Quicksilver, or even a Dual-800 (like mine!). Beware that the Quicksilver 2002 is the first to support large hard drives 128 GB (system board Rev. B). Full ACK. Consider the QS option for you (buying a used one for around 100 Dollars with no HDDs and no RAM makes your upgrade easy -- you'd just go for the CPU speed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Okay, this brings up another question... let's say I did that: would the HD from my current Sawtooth (with all the apps that came with it, many of which do not have any physical media for reinstalling) work as-is in a faster QS? In a Windows world, this doesn't normally work - a pulled hard drive from an older machine would (usually!) require a wiped drive and a full reinstall of the OS and any applications because the OS generally doesn't natively recognize a major hardware change without tossing its cookies, and once you've got this fresh OS now all the apps need put back in. I'd hate to lose half the stuff in this pleasantly reliable old Sawtooth in the changeover (I know the DRIVE would function - it's the software I'm concerned with). Does this work differently in Macs? Anna -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 4:47 PM, A.McCullough wrote: On 1/23/2010 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: If you want to reuse parts like memory, you're much better off with the Dual-1 GHz Quicksilver, or even a Dual-800 (like mine!). Beware that the Quicksilver 2002 is the first to support large hard drives 128 GB (system board Rev. B). Full ACK. Consider the QS option for you (buying a used one for around 100 Dollars with no HDDs and no RAM makes your upgrade easy -- you'd just go for the CPU speed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Okay, this brings up another question... let's say I did that: would the HD from my current Sawtooth (with all the apps that came with it, many of which do not have any physical media for reinstalling) work as-is in a faster QS? In a Windows world, this doesn't normally work - a pulled hard drive from an older machine would (usually!) require a wiped drive and a full reinstall of the OS and any applications because the OS generally doesn't natively recognize a major hardware change without tossing its cookies, and once you've got this fresh OS now all the apps need put back in. I'd hate to lose half the stuff in this pleasantly reliable old Sawtooth in the changeover (I know the DRIVE would function - it's the software I'm concerned with). Does this work differently in Macs? Anna Just install the hard drive and boot it up most items will be noticeably faster. There is no stumbling because of the upgraded CPU that I've ever seen. John Carmonnewtmm Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, A.McCullough wrote: Okay, this brings up another question... let's say I did that: would the HD from my current Sawtooth (with all the apps that came with it, many of which do not have any physical media for reinstalling) work as-is in a faster QS? In a Windows world, this doesn't normally work - a pulled hard drive from an older machine would (usually!) require a wiped drive and a full reinstall of the OS and any applications because the OS generally doesn't natively recognize a major hardware change without tossing its cookies, and once you've got this fresh OS now all the apps need put back in. I'd hate to lose half the stuff in this pleasantly reliable old Sawtooth in the changeover (I know the DRIVE would function - it's the software I'm concerned with). Does this work differently in Macs? Yes, this does work differently in a Mac. Windows installs a custom system for each computer, and generally it can't be moved from one computer to another unless the two computers are physically identical. Macs install a unitary system that normally is bootable on all Macs. There are some exceptions, but these normally only involve specific hardware extensions, and your Sawtooth is NOT a model that would have a restricted set of extensions. You should be able to move your Sawtooth HD into a QS or any other Mac that can take it without issues. You can easily clone (a special type of copy) an old HD onto a new HD. Or, if you have installer discs you can install a clean system on a new HD and then use the application Migration Assistant to migrate over all the extra programs from the old HD. If your Mac only has one HD, you could probably add a 2nd without removing the original. There are many options on a Mac, many more than on a Windows PC. The two are very different, with the Mac being more user friendly. If you don't have any install discs, cloning your old HD onto a new one would be your best option, and you'd do this with a program such as Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper!. If you don't have installer discs, I'd strongly recommend keeping two bootable HDs so that if you need to run a disk repair program you can boot the alternate HD and repair the other one using Disk Utility. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Well I use them mostly as a hobby, I just was given a pre imac all in one G3 266 and it works great! I can put all my old OS 9 games on it Arne -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On 1/23/2010 8:03 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Yes, this does work differently in a Mac. Windows installs a custom system for each computer, and generally it can't be moved from one computer to another unless the two computers are physically identical. Macs install a unitary system that normally is bootable on all Macs. There are some exceptions, but these normally only involve specific hardware extensions, and your Sawtooth is NOT a model that would have a restricted set of extensions. You should be able to move your Sawtooth HD into a QS or any other Mac that can take it without issues. You can easily clone (a special type of copy) an old HD onto a new HD. Or, if you have installer discs you can install a clean system on a new HD and then use the application Migration Assistant to migrate over all the extra programs from the old HD. If your Mac only has one HD, you could probably add a 2nd without removing the original. There are many options on a Mac, many more than on a Windows PC. The two are very different, with the Mac being more user friendly. If you don't have any install discs, cloning your old HD onto a new one would be your best option, and you'd do this with a program such as Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper!. This is excellent news, thank you! I am familiar with SuperDuper already, having cloned the Sawtooth's original 20-gig drive onto the 40 gig that resides in it at the moment (I did keep the original 20 gig as a backup) - I found it to be a most painless process :) I DO have the OS Tiger install discs ( bought those a while ago), and in fact, I chipped in on the purchase of a set of Leopard discs - a friend and I bought a five-license set when Leopard first came out) so that if I could update the Sawtooth enough to run it, I already have a legal way to go that route as well. However, as is being made clear to me, perhaps just replacing the Sawtooth itself might be better than upgrading its processor. You've just brought up an option with which I am not familiar - Migration Assistant?? Hm, something else to look into :) I am still curious, though (always!!) - what upgrade paths DO exist for the Sawtooth by way of processor speed (apart from the monetary considerations, I'm still interested in learning about it)? Thanks very much for your very helpful response!! Anna McCullough -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Lost hd space - where did it go?
Lost hd space - where did it go? Cleaning up no longer needed stuff, emptied 8 Gb partition - all gone - yet info shows 2.6 Gb, trash has been emptied. At a loss for where and what is still using 2.6 Gb? Any ideas will be helpful. G4 450 MHz box with OS 8.1-9.2, X 10.2.8. AGP Graphics on a card. Both are connected by 4 port LinkSys BEFSR41. 20 Gb hd in 8Gb and 12Gb partitions, 470 Mb, Zip, fd, DVD/cd Drive, all are Apple branded. === -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Lost hd space - where did it go?
Jonas, try erasing the free space there's a button for that in the erase tab of disk utility. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com On Jan 23, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Lost hd space - where did it go? Cleaning up no longer needed stuff, emptied 8 Gb partition - all gone - yet info shows 2.6 Gb, trash has been emptied. At a loss for where and what is still using 2.6 Gb? Any ideas will be helpful. G4 450 MHz box with OS 8.1-9.2, X 10.2.8. AGP Graphics on a card. Both are connected by 4 port LinkSys BEFSR41. 20 Gb hd in 8Gb and 12Gb partitions, 470 Mb, Zip, fd, DVD/cd Drive, all are Apple branded. == = -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Lost hd space - where did it go?
On Jan 23, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Jonas, try erasing the free space there's a button for that in the erase tab of disk utility. I think the term free space in the Disk Utility/partition world means unused space that isn't formatted or partitioned. Once a HD has been partitioned free space changes meaning, it means the part of the partition that isn't in use. In this case, I think you meant that he should erase the partition, which would release any hidden files that are eating up the 2.6 GB he's missing. If you can't erase the entire partition, the program Disk Inventory X gives a graphical representation of the contents of a HD or partition with the area of each file proportional to its size so that you can quickly glance at it and see which files are eating up all the space. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?Winblowz connection
Every Winter we see one or more topics like this make 100 or more posts. Luckily this one is on topic and there is no Nanny whiplash or shutdown needed. Best of all everyone is in a comfort zone. Way ta go Listers ! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
g5 question
what powermacs where liquid cooled? where all late 05 powermac g5s liquid cooled? thanks roger -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g5 question
On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:47 PM, roger d wrote: what powermacs where liquid cooled? where all late 05 powermac g5s liquid cooled? thanks roger -- You might find info here: http://www.mactracker.ca/ Free download. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 MHz G4
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 MHz G4 Date:Sonntag 24 Januar 2010N From:Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On 1/23/10 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 of macuser330...@gmx.net sent Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Hi Andreas, No, the QS (and the DA before it) need PC 133 RAM - 512Mb sticks x3 for a max RAM capacity of 1.5 Gig (it is the only downgrade of the QS/DA to the Sawtooth - the Sawtooth has 4 Ram slots so you could actually max at 2 Gig RAM in it). I knew that. But doesn't the QS *take* PC100 RAM as well? While this will include a slight speed decreese it will make the purchase of RAM-DIMMs optional. Right? I've used PC100 DIMMs _and_ PC133 DIMMs in my Quicksilver 2001 733 MHz without a problem. System Profiler shows which type of DIMM you're using. Saying that I have to include that the very same Quicksilver didn't take an identical DIMM -- it just ignored it and showed the memory bank as being empty -- while the other DIMM was recognized normally. That was PC133 RAM by the way and the DIMMs has serial numbers in sequenze. It was and is a mystory to me. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g5 question
-- Original message -- Subject: g5 question Date:Sonntag 24 Januar 2010N From:roger d stink...@ptd.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com what powermacs where liquid cooled? where all late 05 powermac g5s liquid cooled? You may also look at everymac.com: I have a Late 2005 2.0 GHz Dual-Core model Power Mac G5 that is liquid cooled. At least it seems so to me. (There is the sticker inside it that warns about visible fluid leaks... Also it is very silent conpared to my G4s.) According to everymac.com this very model should be having fans only: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_dual_2.0.html quote ...it is divided into four different thermal zones with nine computer- controlled fans for optimum cooling. /quote (end of 4th paragraph) About the Early 2005 2.7 GHz Dual G5: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html quote ...this model adds a liquid cooling system that replaces the traditional heat sink. /quote And the Late 2005 Quad (Dual-2.5 GHz Dual Core): http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_quad_2.5.html quote ...this model adds a liquid cooling system that replaces the traditional heat sink. /quote Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Samstag 23 Januar 2010N From:kimtoufectis kimtoufec...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com This questions has plainly drawn a great deal of interest and discussion...I commented once already, but looking over more recent posts here's another reason: the G4 lamp base iMac is one of the really elegant designs for a desktop computer, astonishing when introduced and still remarkable in its elegance. I liken it to the Philco tube television of another generation... How true... Some of these older Macs are just beautifully designed. I've been thinking about getting a Cube myself lately, but they are too expensive to me for what they deliver in performance. And then I think about it -- that I don't really need it -- so I don't buy one. I've still got the G3 BW which I like a lot so my needs are fulfilled. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Sonntag 24 Januar 2010N From:Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM, captarne arnechristian...@gmail.comwrote: Well I use them mostly as a hobby, I just was given a pre imac all in one G3 266 and it works great! I can put all my old OS 9 games on it Arne I mainly use my 8600/200 as storage but every once in a blue moon I play a game on it. My Smurf sees the same usage (I really gotta get my iTunes stuff off of it) My only other PMs (5400/180 and 5260/100) both have issues I have yet to fix. Neither seems to want to show me anything (on one the message says it cannot find a boot volume and the other has some problem I cannot recall). If I get them working they'll be for games most likely What games are you playing? Due to my background I don't have even one single Mac game. I have a dozen DOS games though, and I was wondering if I could play one of those on my new G4 BW with 350 MHz. So I installed DOSBox and launched my favorite game Ultima Underworld, but it is unplayable on the G3 BW due to its performace. Works well on the Quicksilver and on the G5. So I'm wondering: I _really don't_ wont to inverst any more money on this. I already did too much for what I do with my older Macs. Are there any free Mac games out there that will play nicely on my G3 BW? I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger if that matters. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
