Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: ok, new to the scsi thing as you might have guessed. it just seems to me that it's such a yesterday technology, why is it still in big demand? isn't sata better? (yes, I might just learn something here) Jeff I dunno look at this ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI and then look at the wikiPs for SATA and other interfaces as well as the external drive interface protocols. Then look at costs for modern SCSI drives. And if the prices don't scare you off pay your money and take your choice. SCSI was great for the PCI Macs. But those old drives got behind as things moved ahead. Tiger Direct seems to have sold off the last of their stock months ago. they are getting harder to find. I like the technology but SATA is good enough for end users on a budget. But if you get a deal on working drives and a Mac friendly interface card check your storage needs and alternatives against the cost. Just beware of wear and tear on used drives. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
Apple hasn't yet issued a security update for Tiger, so perhaps it's truly abandoned forever now? Leopard 10.5 Security Update 2010-004 includes the latest Flash and Shockwave players bundled inside. Evidently Apple thinks Adobe Flash Shockwave are such bad security risks that they need to force the issue and upgrade Apple users en masse. Tiger 10.4 users should probably download install the latest Flash Shockwave ASAP since Apple Adobe won't do it for you. It's a real shame that there isn't automatic updating for Adobe Flash. I hope HTML5 makes Flash obsolete. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OMG I NEED HELP!
I had Mac OS X 10.5.8 on my PM G4, and I updated it to the 2010-004 security update. Since I had 3 Os's on my PM G4, it automatically booted up into Mac OS X Jaguar, and it told me to restart. Now I can't fix leopard and it loads up with the frey apple logo and spinning wheel for like forever! -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
IDK how to flash a video card
I have been an expert on computers since the dawn of the DOS systems, and this is something i really am stumped on. I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 AGP with 256Mb DDR2 RAM AGP 8X, and it's a PC card. Can somebody show me step by step instructions to get it working on my PM G4 Sawtooth? I really am even now bugged by the Nvidia GeForce 4's performance with a measly 64Mb of RAM. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
SCSI may be older, but it is built on faster technology. SATA is a bit cheaper and a bit slower. I have the charts on my system. On my PM G4 sawtooth, I have 2 tested drives plugged in. One's a 320GB EDIE plugged in through SCSI through an SCSI to EIDE adapter, and the other is the same version of the HDD, only SATA. Here are the results during file transfer: SCSI Maxed out at 355MB/s SATA Maxed out at 278MB/s Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: 2TB SATAs on Seritek for my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz
From: billycarm...@verizon.net Currently have good success with a 1TB Seagate SATA and a Firmtek Seritek 1S2 SATA Controller on my Digital Audio Dual 533 OS X 10.5.8. Anyone have experience with the so-called energy efficient LP Seagate? http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST32000542AS/ Its 2TBs but shows as a 5900rpm drive. My other SATAs are 7200rpm. Since the SATA drives are so fast, would I notice the drop in rotational speed using for video capture work on my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under OS X 10.5.8? I feel yes, but wonder if anyone has used it. Trying to justify putting another $200 (SATA controller + 2TB HD) or so in my QS ... Thanks Probably not as it has a 32mb cache despite the difference in RPMs. At a rough guess I'd say a SATA 7200RPM drive with a 16mb cache would perform much the same as this drive with the 32mb cache ( depending on what you have in there already ) I'd look at drive benchmark tests at one of the PC sites but the best results as we know are in real world applications. http://www.barefeats.com/ usually has some good drive comparisons but this may be too new for them to have performed any benchmarks yet. Stewie _ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I had Mac OS X 10.5.8 on my PM G4, and I updated it to the 2010-004 security update. Since I had 3 Os's on my PM G4, it automatically booted up into Mac OS X Jaguar, and it told me to restart. Now I can't fix leopard and it loads up with the frey apple logo and spinning wheel for like forever! Reinstall and archiveLeopard. Then the update will follow. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
If the firmware hasn't been updated that may prevent installation. Tiger will require some level of update that may or may not be on the imac now. Here's the latest: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75130#English If it needs to be updated then you have to boot from OS 9 to do it. On Jun 16, 1:28 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: So it DOES have Firewire and a Tiger CD copy would work. Yes, since it has Firewire it's an SE version, and the optical drive is certainly at least a DVD ROM drive, so that means your Tiger Installer DVD should work as is for this iMac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IDK how to flash a video card
On 16/6/10 05:56, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have been an expert on computers since the dawn of the DOS systems, and this is something i really am stumped on. I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 AGP with 256Mb DDR2 RAM AGP 8X, and it's a PC card. Can somebody show me step by step instructions to get it working on my PM G4 Sawtooth? I really am even now bugged by the Nvidia GeForce 4's performance with a measly 64Mb of RAM. If you're familiar with dos that's the way to go for video card flashing - on an old windows pentium pc - boot it up in dos from a floppy boot - remove the boot floppy and insert the disk with the utilities for flashing and the rom(s). The dos utilities are Flashrom, Atiflash for ATI and Nvflash for Nvidia cards. Run the dos commands to flash the card bios - shutdown the pc and put the card in a mac. It can get a little more complicated depending on the card - some are definitely not flashable, some have hardware partial locks on the rom chip so a reduced rom is required - and for some Nvidia cards the mac rom may need editing to include some of the info from the pc version of the rom - bootstraps etc. Here's a general explanation though... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-general-flashing Nvflash is available here along with all the other utilities http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Utilities/BIOS_Flashing/NVIDIA/ Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
On Jun 15, 6:43 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? Prices are roughly what I have gleaned from the 'net. Acard AEC-6280M 2-Channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter : $70 US Mac OS8.5,OS9 and OSX Acard AEC-6293M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Acard AEC-6290M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Also the: AEC-6890M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built-in RAID capability. AEC-6880M 2-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. AEC-6895M 4-channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. AEC-6885M 4-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID capability. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 2TB SATAs on Seritek for my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Stewie de Young wrote: Probably not as it has a 32mb cache despite the difference in RPMs. At a rough guess I'd say a SATA 7200RPM drive with a 16mb cache would perform much the same as this drive with the 32mb cache ( depending on what you have in there already ) I'd look at drive benchmark tests at one of the PC sites but the best results as we know are in real world applications. http://www.barefeats.com/ usually has some good drive comparisons but this may be too new for them to have performed any benchmarks yet. Thanks ... how could I forget barefeats: http://www.barefeats.com/hard125.html My Seagate ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 interrnal to my DA Dual 533, shows a Quickbench of Read 90MB/s and Write 89MB/s for 100MB Extended Tests. Looks like the Seagate LP ST32000542AS 5900 clocks in at Read 116MB/s and Write 110MB/s for 1GB Extended Tests (special version of Quickbench I think) on a Mac Pro. Hopefully I'm taking the similar numbers off their findings correctly, maybe not ... Different environments for testing for sure. Will continue to investigate ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
Do you have to install drivers for a silicon image card? Where can you find drivers? I saw this card at newegg for $19: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132007 It has a Silicon Image 3512 chipset, but I haven't been able to find OS X drivers for it. On their website they only have drivers for the 3124 chipset. -sri On Jun 16, 12:55 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:28 AM, mlsimmons wrote: I was primarily looking at large storage, not necessarily bootable. Then go for a Silicon Image chipset card, they're reasonable on eBay or elsewhere, and have good drivers for OS X. If you need bootable, I recommend Firmtek. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
eSata / Optical drive possible?
what kind of eSata pci card do I need to have external optical drive function? Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue-ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? what about 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 4 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eSata / Optical drive possible?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: what kind of eSata pci card do I need to have external optical drive function? Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue-ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? what about 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 4 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 I have the same machine as you except mine's a Dual 2.7 6GB 10TB I have the same Firmtek card and Jive FIVE also. I did in the beginning haave a problem with the external port on the SATA card but it turned out to be the WD MyBook drive. After I got new drive enclosures I'm OK. I haven't tried an optical but I see no reason not to work. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 9:23 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: t...@io.com wrote: Does the Mini still have support for only one monitor? If they'd add dual monitor support (the video chip almost certainly supports it), I'd buy one in an instant. I don't need slots, but I want dual monitor support. Jeff Walther It's had dual monitor support for over a year now! Wow. Thanks. Now I guess I need to look at the old model and the new model and compare. I can probably figure this out at everymac.com, but if someone knows off the top of their head... how many models have had dual monitor support? Are we talking one model a year ago and the new one now, or has there been another rev. in between? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eSata / Optical drive possible?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:16 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: what kind of eSata pci card do I need to have external optical drive function? Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue-ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? what about 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 4 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 I have the same machine as you except mine's a Dual 2.7 6GB 10TB I have the same Firmtek card and Jive FIVE also. I did in the beginning haave a problem with the external port on the SATA card but it turned out to be the WD MyBook drive. After I got new drive enclosures I'm OK. I haven't tried an optical but I see no reason not to work. John, I haven't bought the optical drive yet, hoping to find someone that's been there already... Jeff ps. what in the world do you need 10TB for? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
At 9:37 PM -0700 6/15/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: ok, new to the scsi thing as you might have guessed. it just seems to me that it's such a yesterday technology, why is it still in big demand? IEEE-1394, aka Firewire, is a subtype of SCSI-3. SCSI-3 SPI, from 2003, btw, does 5120 Mbps (5.1 Gbps). Why nothing newer? Because HD tech hasn't caught up to those speeds yet! Sure, some drives are beginning to fake it with big buffers (caches), but that only improves performance in certain limited situations. isn't sata better? Right tool for the job... It all depends on the application. SATA is a very simple 1:1 interface. SCSI is a more intelligent/robust 1:many interface. Remember that SCSI came from the server world - where you need large numbers of drives, to offer real-time access to gigantic pools of data. In that world, you don't need to access every drive simultaneously with individual dedicated bandwidth. You just need access to any drive, at any time, and can share the available bandwidth. In a desktop/laptop computer, where you only need access to a couple of drives, SATA, like PATA before it, makes good sense. It's cheap, fast, and easy to cable up. Consider tho the cost of all the SATA cards if you wanted to connect more than a couple HDs... FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eSata / Optical drive possible?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:16 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: what kind of eSata pci card do I need to have external optical drive function? Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue-ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? what about 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 4 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 I have the same machine as you except mine's a Dual 2.7 6GB 10TB I have the same Firmtek card and Jive FIVE also. I did in the beginning haave a problem with the external port on the SATA card but it turned out to be the WD MyBook drive. After I got new drive enclosures I'm OK. I haven't tried an optical but I see no reason not to work. John, I haven't bought the optical drive yet, hoping to find someone that's been there already... Jeff ps. what in the world do you need 10TB for? I have all my software images, iTunes and DVD images, That's just the internal stuff for fast network access, I find external drives to be a PITA sometimes. My Stanley Steamer (PM G5 liquid cooled) is a real work horse with everyting SATA internal ealily rip and burn two at a time. A word to to wise, I would lean twoard Pioneer optical drives on the Macs I've had trouble with all the others. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
At 3:44 AM -0500 6/16/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: Apple hasn't yet issued a security update for Tiger, so perhaps it's truly abandoned forever now? Or the particular patches aren't applicable to the versions of the softwares in Tiger. The recent Safari 4.1 for Tiger, btw, included a boat load of security patches. Leopard 10.5 Security Update 2010-004 includes the latest Flash and Shockwave players bundled inside. Evidently Apple thinks Adobe Flash Shockwave are such bad security risks that they need to force the issue and upgrade Apple users en masse. Which latest? Exactly what version? (Adobe has put out several recently). Tiger 10.4 users should probably download install the latest Flash Shockwave ASAP since Apple Adobe won't do it for you. Flash 10.1.53.64 is ok, in that it fixes a number of security vulnerabilities and has an h.264 codec that performs a tad bit faster than the one in 10.0.x. But it is LESS stable than the last few 10.0.x releases. It's a real shame that there isn't automatic updating for Adobe Flash. Yes, it would be a good idea to force users to put poorly tested Adobe crap on their systems on a continual basis. sigh. It's good when a trusted company with a high quality product does auto-updating. IMO, that's a club that Adobe left a decade ago and has no interest in joining. I hope HTML5 makes Flash obsolete. It will, but it's going to take a few years. We can all do our part... Install a flash blocker and make sure you totally block flash-based ads. By blocking them, you are telling that web site and the ad company that Flash is unacceptable. They'll get the message as they see the stats and their revenue change. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
At 1:58 AM -0400 6/16/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I had Mac OS X 10.5.8 on my PM G4, and I updated it to the 2010-004 security update. Since I had 3 Os's on my PM G4, it automatically booted up into Mac OS X Jaguar, and it told me to restart. Now I can't fix leopard and it loads up with the frey apple logo and spinning wheel for like forever! Boot into Safe Mode (shift key held down) to force the full rebuild of the kernel cache. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IDK how to flash a video card
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 AGP with 256Mb DDR2 RAM AGP 8X, and it's a PC card. Can somebody show me step by step instructions to get it working on my PM G4 Sawtooth? I really am even now bugged by the Nvidia GeForce 4's performance with a measly 64Mb of RAM. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+flash+a+PC+video+card+for+a+Mac However, I'm not sure that an 8X card is compatible with the 2X slot in the Sawtooth; they take different voltages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port The sites you will find in that search above will probably answer your question. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
We can all do our part... Install a flash blocker and make sure you totally block flash-based ads. By blocking them, you are telling that web site and the ad company that Flash is unacceptable. They'll get the message as they see the stats and their revenue change. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Is there a Flash blocker that will work in all the browsers? Or do I need one for each? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
You need Click2Flash. On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:10 PM, john CARMONNE wrote: We can all do our part... Install a flash blocker and make sure you totally block flash-based ads. By blocking them, you are telling that web site and the ad company that Flash is unacceptable. They'll get the message as they see the stats and their revenue change. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Is there a Flash blocker that will work in all the browsers? Or do I need one for each? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan wrote:
At 9:37 PM -0700 6/15/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
ok, new to the scsi thing as you might have guessed. it just seems to me
that it's such a yesterday technology, why is it still in big demand?
IEEE-1394, aka Firewire, is a subtype of SCSI-3.
SCSI-3 SPI, from 2003, btw, does 5120 Mbps (5.1 Gbps).
Why nothing newer? Because HD tech hasn't caught up to those speeds yet!
Sure, some drives are beginning to fake it with big buffers (caches), but
that only improves performance in certain limited situations.
Actually, in the enterprise world, SCSI has given way to SAS ('Serial Attached
Storage') drives, but improvements in SATA have meant that, except for the most
demanding throughput needs, SATA has the bulk of the market.
Server grade SATA drives are available, and have, at least in our experience,
been pretty reliable. We've lost zero drives in our SAN since we started using
it three years ago, which is a BETTER service record than our old SCSI RAID box.
We still use a SCSI SAN on our Mail server system, but when that gets replaced
we're likely to replace it with a SATA SAN; we just can't justify the cost of a
SAS SAN. Our file servers (now at 6Tb and growing) all use a SATA SAN, and it's
proven very reliable and more than sufficient to keep up with I/O demands.
(and if you're dealing with large amounts of networked file server space, SAN
is head and shoulders ...and torso and hips and knees and ankles...above any
other solution out there. Need more space? add more drives to the SAN box or
buy another box and stuff it fulla drives. expand your volumes on the fly and
suddenly your serves think that their shared volumes are now twice as big...all
live, unless your %...@#!$@# backup software has a hidden 2TB limit for the
volume format that makes you have to nuke the new volume, reformat and restore
from tapefor two days...)
Frankly, I don't see any reason to invest in a SCSI solution on a standalone
system, or even most servers. If a bunch of SCSI drives and the expensive
controller fall into your lap, you'll see improvements in disk IO and if disk
IO is your bottleneck, you'll see an improvement in performance.
If your bottleneck ISN'T disk IO, then you've just invested in a very very
noisy space heater. 15K SCSI drives are hot and loud.
As for connecting a bunch of drives, if you have need of that much storage,
it's cheaper to get a FW800 RAID box and stuff it full of SATA drives letting
the box sort 'em out, or go bigtime, get a Fiber Channel card and connect it to
a SAN, but you're talking $5K minimum for that kinda setup.
If you're editing Ken Burns' latest opus, though, that's a worthwhile
investment.
Just remember with great disk capacity comes great backup needs. We just spent
$18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever
increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk
system.
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Re: Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:10 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: We can all do our part... Install a flash blocker and make sure you totally block flash-based ads. By blocking them, you are telling that web site and the ad company that Flash is unacceptable. They'll get the message as they see the stats and their revenue change. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Is there a Flash blocker that will work in all the browsers? Or do I need one for each? You need one for each browser. Click to Flash will work with Safari and other Webkit based browsers. Adblock wols with Firefox and (I think) Camino. Others I don't know. I stick to Safari for general purpose browsing needs, only use FF when something doesn't work in Safari, and there's no flash ads on the sites I use in FF; those are UA Intranet things. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
Just remember with great disk capacity comes great backup needs. We just spent $18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk system. When you say tape do you mean magnetic tape? or is that just a term for a backup device, I haven't seen a tape backup for fifteen years even on my CNC equipment because virtually no speed and unreliability. But that may pin me to lack of knowledge too.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: All in all continuing to make the H word we cannot use here more and more attractive. There's a place for both. Where absolute compatibility is required, over a great many applications, irrespective of performance, I use Product M. Where highest performance is required, over comparatively few applications, most of these being mission specific and mission critical, I use Product H. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
At 9:32 AM -0700 6/16/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan wrote:
IEEE-1394, aka Firewire, is a subtype of SCSI-3.
SCSI-3 SPI, from 2003, btw, does 5120 Mbps (5.1 Gbps).
Why nothing newer? Because HD tech hasn't caught up to those
speeds yet! Sure, some drives are beginning to fake it with big
buffers (caches), but that only improves performance in certain
limited situations.
Actually, in the enterprise world, SCSI has given way to SAS
('Serial Attached Storage') drives
SAS is a form of SSA - which is a flavor of SCSI-3. It's ability to
talk to SATA drives is done very eligantly, by encapsulating in SCSI
packets.
heh.
Gotta love that hum of an array of 15Krpm drives.
It takes tintinitis to a whole new level...
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Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
At 10:20 AM -0700 6/16/2010, john CARMONNE wrote: Just remember with great disk capacity comes great backup needs. We just spent $18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk system. When you say tape do you mean magnetic tape? or is that just a term for a backup device Real tape. A stationwagon full of tapes far exceeds the bandwidth of the Internet and the reliability of every other storage media. Also dirt cheap, per gb. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:20 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Just remember with great disk capacity comes great backup needs. We just spent $18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk system. When you say tape do you mean magnetic tape? or is that just a term for a backup device, I haven't seen a tape backup for fifteen years even on my CNC equipment because virtually no speed and unreliability. But that may pin me to lack of knowledge too.:-) Brand new HP MSL-2024 LTO-4 cassette tape system, holds 24 LTO-4 tapes capable of holding 1.6TB each (compressed). Backs up ~860 GB/hr. http://tinyurl.com/24vjxsw Tape still rules for backups; when I mentioned Disk-Disk I'm referring to our preferred systemof having another large SAN, backup the production volumes to the backup SAN, and then run the tape backups off of that. Much faster primary backups, sort of like a giant CCC backup, which makes for very fast restores, and keeps the production volumes at maximum availability longer. And then you get into the petabyte territory: http://www.arsc.edu/resources/silo.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: We just spent $18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk system. I would also be interested in appropriately vague and incomplete details about your tape backup. :-) Just curious. A non-profit I volunteer at has a Windows PC server which is (guessing) around 5 years or so old. I think it has 200 to 400 GB of SCSI attached storage. Like clockwork once a week their office secretary plops in the oldest of box of 5 or so backup tapes and backs up the drives. I believe they have been doing this since they got it. It is likely they have *never* replaced any of the tapes. One of these days those hard drives are going to die and then we'll find out whether or not they have actually backed up their server data. Or not. They have one other firm IT maintenance policy. Never, ever power off the server. Not even to apply Windows security updates. I have tried to warn them. I think the reaction was something along the lines of, H, that doesn't sound good ... OH LOOK! A KITTEN!. What'cha gonna do? So, anyway, I'm curious how folks who might actually want to preserve their data might approach this. ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, iJohn wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: We just spent $18K to upgrade our tape backup systems to (barely) keep up with our ever increasing file server space; we really need to spend $30K on a disk-disk system. I would also be interested in appropriately vague and incomplete details about your tape backup. :-) Just curious. A non-profit I volunteer at has a Windows PC server which is (guessing) around 5 years or so old. I think it has 200 to 400 GB of SCSI attached storage. Like clockwork once a week their office secretary plops in the oldest of box of 5 or so backup tapes and backs up the drives. I believe they have been doing this since they got it. It is likely they have *never* replaced any of the tapes. One of these days those hard drives are going to die and then we'll find out whether or not they have actually backed up their server data. Or not. They have one other firm IT maintenance policy. Never, ever power off the server. Not even to apply Windows security updates. I have tried to warn them. I think the reaction was something along the lines of, H, that doesn't sound good ... OH LOOK! A KITTEN!. What'cha gonna do? So, anyway, I'm curious how folks who might actually want to preserve their data might approach this. ;-) -irrational john Note from the starter of this fine thread: GREAT STUFF!! Jeff:-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Peter Haas wrote: Where absolute compatibility is required, over a great many applications, irrespective of performance, I use Product M. Where highest performance is required, over comparatively few applications, most of these being mission specific and mission critical, I use Product H. Where End User != hacker (in old school sense) go with a real Mac. While it's gotten VASTLY easier to set up a Hack, it's still very much a 'work ON your computer, not WITH your computer thing.', at least while getting it up and running, and if anything goes wrong. With a Mac, running System Updater is a normal course of action, with a Hack it can turn into a real 'adventure'. Example 10.6.4. Won't know what it breaks until it's pried apart and examined under a microscope. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
Peter Haas wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: All in all continuing to make the H word we cannot use here more and more attractive. There's a place for both. Where absolute compatibility is required, over a great many applications, irrespective of performance, I use Product M. Where highest performance is required, over comparatively few applications, most of these being mission specific and mission critical, I use Product H. I find both H and M very attractive. In the portable realm, I greatly prefer Product M, due in part to the unmatched hardware design and the fact that I can rely on it to just work. However, in the desktop realm, Product H is a much better option both in price and performance. My current H, which is over a year old, cost me less than what the current Mini would, and is still a superior machine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, iJohn wrote: Snip horror story So, anyway, I'm curious how folks who might actually want to preserve their data might approach this. ;-) Well, I learned that lesson WAY back when I first started sysadminning, my own 'My First Server' was a HP/Apollo HPUX box running Sybase database server, and backed up to a 1G DAT drive religiously, using tar. Then one day I accidentally dropped an important database table, and learned the hard way that tar does not back up open files. Like database data files, which are always open while the database is running. As Titus' dad used to say Betcha won't do THAT again! Sadly, this is how most places like this learn the lesson, the hard way. I'd try very hard to prevail upon them to at least invest in new sets of tapes and, suggest, gently that they practice restoring some files from backup, now, while everything is fine, so that they're not doing this for the first time when the system's gone down and people are screaming for their data, pounding on your door with pitchforks and torches. Pitchforks and torches are very distracting and not optimal for learning new things :-) That'll lead them right to the bad tapes, no doubt. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Security Update 2010-004 for Leopard 10.5
At 11:28 AM -0400 6/16/2010, Dan wrote: At 3:44 AM -0500 6/16/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: Leopard 10.5 Security Update 2010-004 includes the latest Flash and Shockwave players bundled inside. Evidently Apple thinks Adobe Flash Shockwave are such bad security risks that they need to force the issue and upgrade Apple users en masse. Which latest? Exactly what version? (Adobe has put out several recently). According to TidBITS, it's Flash Player 10.0.45.2, That's OLD and Vulnerable! Bad Apple, bad. IMO, giving us outdated vulnerable software is worse than giving us none. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
I hope others realize how humorous this Product M and H discussion is :P On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: Peter Haas wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: All in all continuing to make the H word we cannot use here more and more attractive. There's a place for both. Where absolute compatibility is required, over a great many applications, irrespective of performance, I use Product M. Where highest performance is required, over comparatively few applications, most of these being mission specific and mission critical, I use Product H. I find both H and M very attractive. In the portable realm, I greatly prefer Product M, due in part to the unmatched hardware design and the fact that I can rely on it to just work. However, in the desktop realm, Product H is a much better option both in price and performance. My current H, which is over a year old, cost me less than what the current Mini would, and is still a superior machine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
Well thats sound bad, weeks ago I have the same bad experience 2 times (lucky one)... But try the Start in Safe Mode this Way with your left hand (at the SAME TIME) three fingers over Key SHIFT, ALT (Apple Logo) and V push the Power ON (keep your fingers on until) and after few seconds your display turn black and the process of recover start...TAKE TIME ... a lot of information in your screen...if everything is goin OK your display need to show your MacOsx Desktop Picture if don't...start to remove every PCI card (Not the AGPGraphic Ok), printer or wherever is attach I include the 3 of the 4 stick of DDR (try to power ON with just 512). if still nothing happen well...Good luck On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.comwrote: I had Mac OS X 10.5.8 on my PM G4, and I updated it to the 2010-004 security update. Since I had 3 Os's on my PM G4, it automatically booted up into Mac OS X Jaguar, and it told me to restart. Now I can't fix leopard and it loads up with the frey apple logo and spinning wheel for like forever! -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
Somewhat on topic, I have question which I feel is a bit too simple to warrant a new thread. I recently noticed that the s-video input connector on my Beige's wings card has a few extra pin holes on it, such that you could connect an s-video cable in there or something else... Does anyone know what that something else is? A component video adapter? Some kind of proprietary QuickTake camera input? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eSata / Optical drive possible?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue- ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? Not on a Mac, there is no software support for Blu-ray playback in OS X. Remember, Steve Jobs said Apple was skipping Blu-ray because of the excessive licensing fees involved. what about 3rd party software? Yes, you must boot Windows directly if you want Blu-ray playback on your Mac. In the reverse scenario, there is the x264 project http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328 to place Blu-ray quality/compatible content onto normal DVD5 DVD9 discs (which can be played in a standard Blu-ray player). VLC is supporting this on Mac, so while you can't play a real Blu-ray disc on a Mac, you can play a DVD5 or DVD9 standard DVD with Blu-ray quality/ compatible content on a Mac if it's been created with x264 codec. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eSata / Optical drive possible?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Is there anybody out there who has successfully gotten a sata blue- ray drive in an external esata enclosure to work? Not on a Mac, there is no software support for Blu-ray playback in OS X. Remember, Steve Jobs said Apple was skipping Blu-ray because of the excessive licensing fees involved. what about 3rd party software? Yes, you must boot Windows directly if you want Blu-ray playback on your Mac. In the reverse scenario, there is the x264 project http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328 to place Blu-ray quality/compatible content onto normal DVD5 DVD9 discs (which can be played in a standard Blu-ray player). VLC is supporting this on Mac, so while you can't play a real Blu-ray disc on a Mac, you can play a DVD5 or DVD9 standard DVD with Blu-ray quality/compatible content on a Mac if it's been created with x264 codec. Ok, so much for blue-ray. another question, what about esata with DVD-DL in an external inclosure? two magic words: esata 5.25 enclosure with any compatible superdrive in it? any experience? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:52 PM, James Chapel wrote: I recently noticed that the s-video input connector on my Beige's wings card has a few extra pin holes on it, such that you could connect an s-video cable in there or something else... Does anyone know what that something else is? AFAIK there are two types of s-video, a rarer 7-pin version, and a more common 4-pin version that's the same physical configuration as Apple ADB. I believe the Wings card has the 7-pin s-video rather than the 4-pin. I've never used the s-video of a Wings card, although the 7- pin port is backwards compatible with a 4-pin cable. This means you must have TWO 7-pin devices to use a 7-pin cable, but you can use a 4- pin cable with any combination of 4-pin 7-pin devices. The 7-pin is slightly higher quality I believe, but not really necessary, which is why it's more rare than the common 4-pin. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: But try the Start in Safe Mode this Way with your left hand (at the SAME TIME) three fingers over Key SHIFT, ALT (Apple Logo) and V push the Power ON (keep your fingers on until) and after few seconds your display turn black and the process of recover start...TAKE TIME ... a lot of information in your screen... Starting in safe mode requires pressing just the shift key. Starting in Verbose Mode, requires pressing the command and V keys. You did both. IF pressing just the Shift key, keep pressing it until you see the spinnie starting up, -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Sadly, this is how most places like this learn the lesson, the hard way. I'd try very hard to prevail upon them to at least invest in new sets of tapes and, suggest, gently that they practice restoring some files from backup, now, while everything is fine, so that they're not doing this for the first time when the system's gone down and people are screaming for their data, pounding on your door with pitchforks and torches. Pitchforks and torches are very distracting and not optimal for learning new things :-) I would but I fear I have no credibility with them. I did try about a year and 1/2 ago to get them to try to make some steps towards more rational sys admin. I thought I had convinced them to reboot the server on a work day when they were routinely closed to the public so they could apply the pending Windows server security updates. However, when the day rolled around I was told the reboot had been vetoed. Why? Well, because of what the young fellow with the BA in Human Resources who had tried to deal with IT stuff had told them before he left for another job. He told them that they should Always leave the server running. Never turn it off. They viewed not rebooting their Windows server as a prudent move that would save them from potential trouble. A Why take the chance? sort of thing. Seriously. I think that they view maintaining computers in much the same way that many of us maintain the plumbing in our homes. Use it but otherwise ignore it until it stops working. Then pay an exorbitant amount of money to a professional to come out on a Sunday and fix it. Will they be pissed when it hits the fan? Sure. But I think this is just how the world works from their perspective. One of those things that like the weather you really can't do much about and just have to live through. As I said, they are a non-profit funded by donations. I hate to see the money wasted. But I also don't know how to reason with people who view maintenance as what you pay someone to fix after you have pushed a system to failure. :-( Oh, well. I digress ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
Interesting. Well, that answers the majority of my questions. Any luck with the Rage 128 + DVD Kris? On Jun 16, 1:25 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:52 PM, James Chapel wrote: I recently noticed that the s-video input connector on my Beige's wings card has a few extra pin holes on it, such that you could connect an s-video cable in there or something else... Does anyone know what that something else is? AFAIK there are two types of s-video, a rarer 7-pin version, and a more common 4-pin version that's the same physical configuration as Apple ADB. I believe the Wings card has the 7-pin s-video rather than the 4-pin. I've never used the s-video of a Wings card, although the 7- pin port is backwards compatible with a 4-pin cable. This means you must have TWO 7-pin devices to use a 7-pin cable, but you can use a 4- pin cable with any combination of 4-pin 7-pin devices. The 7-pin is slightly higher quality I believe, but not really necessary, which is why it's more rare than the common 4-pin. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
this is bad. I used leopard assist to install leopard o my computer, and when i booted up into the leopard installer, it said that my HDD with leopard on it has bad sectors. The area which had bad sectors was quarantined into a different sector, and now, i lost all my data. My backups were on that hdd too. What a bummer. Yeah, thanks ALOT Mac OS X Jaguar! next time i'll consider installing you on a gabage can and see if you can crash that! G. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: this is bad. I used leopard assist to install leopard o my computer, and when i booted up into the leopard installer, it said that my HDD with leopard on it has bad sectors. The area which had bad sectors was quarantined into a different sector, and now, i lost all my data. My backups were on that hdd too. What a bummer. Yeah, thanks ALOT Mac OS X Jaguar! next time i'll consider installing you on a gabage can and see if you can crash that! G. Data Rescue 3 will I think save your butt. Also why use Leopard assist? CCC does it for me. You must have a somewhat modern machine? Or you're posting on a Windbloze If so I'm sorry too. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Dual 1GHz Quicksilver won't sleep!
I brought home a Quicksilver from work for use on my wife's desk. It won't sleep, despite setting it to do so. When I select *sleep* from the Apple Menu, it pretends to sleep for a beat, then wakes up, eyes wide open and hard drive spinning, not to mention that famous Quicksilver fan noise. I believe this machine burns 345 watts or so. Outside of shutting down after use, what's a mother to do? -- Michael Emery There is no bad music, only bad performances. -- Ornette Coleman -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
DVD drive ?
We've been using our iBook G4 DVD drive to watch Netflix DVDs. Never a problem. Until now. It plays most all DVDs but we've had three Ken Burns National Parks Disc 4 fail. All exactly the same. Plays the if you copy you'll be punished warning then nothing no menu We did have some skipping problems so I tried a cleaning disc from Radio Shack, but it also never produced any menus and could be ejected only by rebooting the iBook. Not sure if it did anything but other DVDs are presently playing fine. Go figure. Wondering if this might be a sign of drive failure. Comments appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD drive ?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: We've been using our iBook G4 DVD drive to watch Netflix DVDs. Never a problem. Until now. It plays most all DVDs but we've had three Ken Burns National Parks Disc 4 fail. If you look at the responses on the page link below, you'll see a whole bunch of people saying the EXACT same problem. They all say that Ken Burns' National Parks discs 1-3 play fine, but discs 4-6 won't play. It must be a problem with the discs because there are too many people with different hardware having exactly the same issue. http://vanlandw.com/archives/178/comment-page-1 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dual 1GHz Quicksilver won't sleep!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Michael Emery wrote: I brought home a Quicksilver from work for use on my wife's desk. It won't sleep, despite setting it to do so. When I select *sleep* from the Apple Menu, it pretends to sleep for a beat, then wakes up, eyes wide open and hard drive spinning, not to mention that famous Quicksilver fan noise. I believe this machine burns 345 watts or so. Outside of shutting down after use, what's a mother to do? -- Michael Emery Check what PCI cards are installed. Maybe one of them doesn't support Sleep. Any peripherals attached? Maybe one is drawing power off a USB bus, or something of that nature, and won't let it stay in Sleep. See what is running in the background ... something like that might keep it from sleeping. Something trying to access the internet. Leave the KB and Mouse alone, after Sleep. That will wake it up (but you probably already knew that). Maybe others can help ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD drive ?
On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Plays the if you copy you'll be punished warning then nothing no menu Some DVDs, particularly those which are released through Sony/ Columbia/TriStar, but occasionally through others, but almost never through Warners (they are the good guys, in this specific respect) have badly authored menus. One way of getting around these flawed DVDs is to use the SKIP key to bypass the offending chapter. Usually, those chapters last 13 or so seconds, and if you initiate the SKIP well before the drive gets hung, you will automatically go onto the next chapter, which is often the main menu. An alternative is to rip the DVD and then selectively burn individual DVDs which have one chapter, namely the functional chapter which could have been selected if you could get past the badly authored chapter. After ripping, TOAST will often let you burn a selected set of chapters, usually one for each of the main programs which are on the DVD, and one for each of the supplementary chapters, such as the infamous FBI Warning. You can experiment by turning off all the supplementary chapters, but turn on just the main chapters, which could be only one, but might be four for a dual-layer DVD which has four one-hour episodes. For PBS shows, an episode is usually 55 minutes long, but some PBS versions of English TV programs can be as little as 45 minutes for a so-called one-hour episode. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OMG I NEED HELP!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: The area which had bad sectors was quarantined into a different sector, and now, i lost all my data. My backups were on that hdd too. Never, EVER EVER treat a partition on the same drive as a 'backup'. You essentially had two copies of all your eggs in that one basket. Don't call it a backup, don't think of it as a backup and you won't get burned. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
