Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Richard Gerome]

Hey Wallace, Well said!!! I started out with a 1993 Performa 475 I bought used in 1996, it had a modoem you had to put your phone on to get online back then and sometimes it would take as long as 3hrs... I wasn't able to get a new one till Sears closed out their Apple Computers and sold them for 1/2 price in 2001 I bought my first and only brand new G3 366 Indigo Clamshell, paid $1100 after taxes for it and I am still using it after reworking it to get it to run Tiger now!!! I bought a used G4 1G processor and 1G memory TiBook in 2008 for $300 in a little beatup condition from craigslist and after checking ebay for parts to bring it back to new condition and tricking it out with faster HD and Super Dive and brandnew screen for another $225 I am almost ready to run Leopard on it, I just got a Disc tonight for $20 but I think I will run Tiger for as long as I can before I install it!!! The Clamshell, I use out on the road in coffee shops and such and it still atracts a lot attn from people and they can't believe I'm running Tiger in it and using my Sprint Broadband even though Sprint says I need 750 processor, it only has 466mhz with 576mb!!! Us poor people have to get creative and keep them going, I have some serious health issues and the computer has helped me out a lot with them for the past 11yrs so I will do what ever I can to surf the net!!!  Thanks to this group and other web surfing I can do a lot with my old computers now!!!   One thing I have learned about the Apple people today is they are starting to use there technoligy like a drug (Tech Pushers)... My computer is not a toy like others with their iPhones, iPods, iPod Touches and iPads... How can they go online with one of them anyway??? I can't even see the screens let alone whats on them...P.S. Oh yeah my car is 22yrs old with almost 350,000 miles on it with original eng and trans!!! Still gets me all over the country pulling a 19' 1966 Avion camper!!!-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
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Subject: Re: IS the world about to change ?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM, glen  wrote:




>
>From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 

When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds, Goldberg and McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver headaches whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired , tired, tired i say. ( and the shouting masses behind me) I want an affordable mac that will do the job and be upgradeable in increments as I can afford them. 

At one time a used 7xoo filled that need. but the old clunker hasn't the horsepower to pull the tall gears of modern software even slowly.And saying it again for the upteenth time, Apple now actively working to break the balls of even much more recent machines demoralizes troupes more well heeled than I. so what chance do I have?

Being poor does not seem to translate well even on Low End Mac pages ( If they are so poor why do they have or want computer? (TO USE AS TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY SO THEY WONT BE SO DAMNEDLY POOR !  THAT'sWHY !) [apologies to the sensitive. But one needs to shout when communications are not heard.

LOW END to me means poor.People too poor to afford new computers.People too poor to afford costly repairs.People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.If poor is not translatable then NEW END Mac would be a good place rather than being tortured by the rants of the relatively indigent.

Fear Apple? That is not the subject. Asking Apple for some GD slack is more like it. Asking The Steve for a crumb from the table. Appealing to his beginnings.Get it ? -- 

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Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going...



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Thanks, Bruce.

[Max]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll get on them right away.  I did check
with Comcast and my download speed is supposed to be at around 15
Mpbs, so that shouldn't be a problem.  Will therefore check out the
other possibilities you mentioned.

Tray

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Vic]

On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon  wrote:
> On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, "Bill Brown"  wrote:
>
> > Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
> > hard drive, eh?
>
> > Bill
>
> >http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium...
> > m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29
>
> I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school for
> computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
> revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
> the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.

When I was in school, we had a hard drive - the size of a washing
machine.  The disk was replaceable and about 3 feet in diameter.
Capacity? 1 megabyte...
V Mabus

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Chance Reecher]

I like the way everyone keeps complaining about not being able to watch 
the Keynote... Apple does have an H.264 "Apple Events" podcast in 
iTunes, you know.


On 10/22/10 8:36 PM, Jeff Bequette wrote:


It was kinda annoying I could watch the speech on the iPhone, but not 
on my Mac...


Jeff




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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:59 PM, glen  wrote:

>
>
>
> >
> >From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
>
>
> When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds, Goldberg
> and
> McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver
> headaches
> whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired ...
>
> LOW END to me means poor.
>
> People too poor to afford new computers.
> People too poor to afford costly repairs.
> People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.
>
> Fear Apple? That is not the subject.
> Get it ?
>
> -
>
> Nah,
>
> The make do's is what what life is about. Since I done the do's all my life
> (not
> just computers) , I don't know what I would do without them.  --Seriously
> consider it; they make  life worthwhile.
>
>
Evidently "When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds,
Goldberg and
McGivering get very old and tiresome." mean nothing to you. 64 years of it
means  I'm SICK of it to me.

>
> I have lost two loved one's during the last year (stroke and cancer) and
> going
> though that  makes you really wonder what is important on this planet.
>
> OK "fear Apple" is a bad choice of words; "don't care"  would have been
> better
> choice of words.
>
> As far "poor" goes, I just received my first meager SS check this month.
> Still
> wonder if I can pay the heating bills. I live in New England. Sorry if I
> set you
> off. I do appreciate your concerns.  --glen
>
> PS rants are OK by me --well within reason. -- ;)
>

Fair enough Glen. Hope you find a way to supplement your income.

But The Steve only wants to help the already affluent.




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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Jeff Bequette]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Dan wrote:


At 3:24 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is


I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or bad.

People want laptops that are more rugged and have better battery  
life.  Currently, the HD is a problem - it is fragile and a power  
pig.  So replacing it with SSD makes sense.


WRT the life of the device... Remember, these machines use Intel  
parts - so they are simply not designed to have a life beyond 3  
years or so.  For the *average* user that is overstocked with RAM,  
paging to the SSD will be minimal.  And since those users only do a  
trivial amount of photo editing...  probably the SSD will be ok, at  
least for the life of their AppleCare contract.



At 3:30 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the  
thread about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and  
hurting low enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the  
NANO cycles etc. Much more important that you poor people concerned  
about how you can make money if Apple keeps up their S*it!
SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you  
indigent B77tard!


The discussion of SSD vs HD is legit - it's going to be a BIG part  
of Lion's "standard" environment.


Threads drift.  Get over it.

- Dan.
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for my 2 cents, after using an iPhone and my kids newer Macbook Pro, I  
like the finger sweep and find myself sometime reaching to the screen  
to enlage items with the finger spread.  Of course soon realize  
doesn't work with this mac.  As for keeping up with the Jones's I have  
a 2004 DP G5 1.8 that has reached its system limit, but still does  
everything I need it to do.  I am debating upgrading  to a (used) 2009  
Mac Pro to keep up my kids (Daddy! it won't work!) but am willing to  
wait while the dust settles from the latest announcements.  It was  
kinda annoying I could watch the speech on the iPhone, but not on my  
Mac...


home user with a few thumb drives, SSD cards and older macs.

Jeff


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[glen]

>
>From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 


When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds, Goldberg and 
McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver headaches 
whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired ...

LOW END to me means poor.

People too poor to afford new computers.
People too poor to afford costly repairs.
People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.

Fear Apple? That is not the subject. 
Get it ?

-

Nah,

The make do's is what what life is about. Since I done the do's all my life 
(not 
just computers) , I don't know what I would do without them.  --Seriously 
consider it; they make  life worthwhile. 


I have lost two loved one's during the last year (stroke and cancer) and going 
though that  makes you really wonder what is important on this planet.

OK "fear Apple" is a bad choice of words; "don't care"  would have been better 
choice of words.

As far "poor" goes, I just received my first meager SS check this month. Still 
wonder if I can pay the heating bills. I live in New England. Sorry if I set 
you 
off. I do appreciate your concerns.  --glen

PS rants are OK by me --well within reason. -- ;)









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Re: Lacie disappearance

[joan]

Have used Disk Warrior to no avail. Now trying Bill's suggestions.

On Oct 21, 5:28 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 3:53 PM -0700 10/21/2010, joan wrote:
>
> >Have just reorganized my office and in the process of cord management,
> >unplugged the LaCie and Maxtor backup HD's accidentally. Nowthey don't
> >show up on the desktop. Any suggestions?
>
> Repair them with Disk Utility.
>
> - Dan.
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Re: Lacie disappearance

[joan]

Oh I'm so sorry that I haven't responded! I couldn't figure out why I
didn't see my post in the Topic summary. So I came back to the group
and now see your suggestions. I'll try what I can and get back. thanks
so much!


On Oct 21, 4:58 pm, Bill Connelly  wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:53 PM, joan wrote:
>
> > Have just reorganized my office and in the process of cord management,
> > unplugged the LaCie and Maxtor backup HD's accidentally. Nowthey don't
> > show up on the desktop. Any suggestions?
> > G4 Quicksilver dual 867 w/ 2 GB Ram
>
> Did you shut everything down, then restart with the externals powered  
> up first?
>
> Maybe try a PRAM reset if that doesn't work, and/or Starting up in  
> Single User mode, then restart in regular mode.

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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

>>> 
>>> The problem with this scenario is that for one, you can't "see" what your 
>>> doing and the other problem is that when you play "full screen"  the DVD 
>>> player automatically by default chooses the "main" monitor which, in my 
>>> case is in the office
>> 
>> Could "Screen Sharing" be used to some advantage?
>> 
> 
> On the same machine? nope. Jeff

I suspect he means via a laptop in the LR to control the desktop on the office.



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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Arnel Tuazon]

On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, "Bill Brown"  wrote:

> Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
> hard drive, eh?
> 
> Bill
> 
> http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&ut
> m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school for
computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.


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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can't you just drag the DVD player window to the second monitor? When it's 
>>> there you should be able to tell it 'full screen' and it'll fill the 
>>> current screen it's on, I'd think.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> The problem with this scenario is that for one, you can't "see" what your 
>> doing and the other problem is that when you play "full screen"  the DVD 
>> player automatically by default chooses the "main" monitor which, in my case 
>> is in the office
> 
> Could "Screen Sharing" be used to some advantage?
> 

On the same machine? nope. Jeff

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Bill Brown wrote:

> Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
> hard drive, eh?
> 
> Bill
> 
> http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29


We have the guts of a drive like that laying about here, it's literally built 
like a tank. The case even has a one-way valve to connect it to a vacuum to 
depressurize it after construction. It's also got a four-digit serial number.

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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Bill Connelly]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:



Can't you just drag the DVD player window to the second monitor?  
When it's there you should be able to tell it 'full screen' and  
it'll fill the current screen it's on, I'd think.





The problem with this scenario is that for one, you can't "see" what  
your doing and the other problem is that when you play "full  
screen"  the DVD player automatically by default chooses the "main"  
monitor which, in my case is in the office


Could "Screen Sharing" be used to some advantage?

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Interesting Vintage Website

[Bill Brown]

Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
hard drive, eh?

Bill

http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

The problem with this scenario is that for one, you can't "see" what  
your doing


The trick here is to get an old laptop and use Teleport 1.0.2 to  
control the other Mac. I use a clamshell with 10.4.11 to control my G5  
from several rooms away. I orient the displays in Teleport so that  
they touch only on diagonal corners which keeps the cursor trapped  
unless I specifically go to the special "teleport" corner. Here's a  
link to Teleport:



You might also be able to do something with a bluetooth keyboard and  
mouse, but I think this will be problematic at the range you're  
talking about? Teleport works and can allow a nearly useless old  
laptop to control any newer more powerful Mac.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Doug McNutt]

At 17:38 + 10/22/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote, or perhaps quoted 
someone:
I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or bad.

*** From a recent question posted on the AppleScript mailing list - which I 
trimmed quite a bit.

I've written a pretty extensive Quicktime editing script.. Everything works 
when I run the app just fine, I can select one or several source movies with my 
choose file with prompt.., etc, the script just chunks along happily.

I can't drop files onto the app. Dragging a QT movie does't activate the app in 
the finder, it doesn't select, nothing.

*** An answer from a knowledgeable regular poster:

Try saving the script in a new app file, and make sure you don't remove the 
.app extension.

And that's in a current Apple OS X system that is still declared "UNIX 
underneath". It comes from Next, Inc. which was likely unable to use 
Apple-patented ideas before Apple bought it.

UNIX does not now, and never has, used filename extensions in the OS. They are 
sometimes used by applications, such as gcc, but never required. Executable 
files are distinguished by an x in the permissions.

Apple was once proud of its freedom from required filename extensions. The 
really good idea was a file system that handled resource forks and type/creator 
codes. That AppleScript application should have type APPL and a unique creator 
code maintained in the file system. The codes would be initially in a BNDL 
resource for use by an installer or first use.

How in the world can we have regressed so far? Applications are not recognized 
by Finder so they can have files dropped on them unless they have a .app 
extension in the name of the file? How DOS can you get?  Can DOS-like be 
responding to customer desires? That is a "bad" customer desire, dammit.

The OS NeXt finder has to be told to show filename extensions which are hidden 
by default. Is that consistent with requiring extensions? In 10.3 .app 
extensions are not shown even if you ask for them.

But then, my AAPL is doing fine, thank you.
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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
> 
>> Here's my problem.. I have my powermac w/24" monitor located in the 
>> office then I have another "smaller" 19" monitor I'd like to watch 
>> video's off of in the living room. Both are connected to the powermac (G4 
>> MDD)... is there a way to "select" the front room monitor to play movies on? 
>> I've tried the "mirror displays" feature, but it seriously messes with 
>> screen resolution on the powermac? Jeff
> 
> 
> Can't you just drag the DVD player window to the second monitor? When it's 
> there you should be able to tell it 'full screen' and it'll fill the current 
> screen it's on, I'd think.
> 
> 

The problem with this scenario is that for one, you can't "see" what your doing 
and the other problem is that when you play "full screen"  the DVD player 
automatically by default chooses the "main" monitor which, in my case is in the 
office...I think I might have a fix though. I simply "change which monitor 
is the main monitor" in display pref's and then operate the front room monitor 
by remote IR plugged into the PowerMac. It's a good thing I live in a mobile 
home where the office is just one wall away from the living/front room:-) Jeff

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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

> Here's my problem.. I have my powermac w/24" monitor located in the 
> office then I have another "smaller" 19" monitor I'd like to watch 
> video's off of in the living room. Both are connected to the powermac (G4 
> MDD)... is there a way to "select" the front room monitor to play movies on? 
> I've tried the "mirror displays" feature, but it seriously messes with screen 
> resolution on the powermac? Jeff


Can't you just drag the DVD player window to the second monitor? When it's 
there you should be able to tell it 'full screen' and it'll fill the current 
screen it's on, I'd think.


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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
> 
>> Here's my problem.. I have my powermac w/24" monitor located in the 
>> office then I have another "smaller" 19" monitor I'd like to watch 
>> video's off of in the living room. Both are connected to the powermac (G4 
>> MDD)... is there a way to "select" the front room monitor to play movies on? 
>> I've tried the "mirror displays" feature, but it seriously messes with 
>> screen resolution on the powermac? Jeff
>> 
> What video card and video card connectors do you have? and how is each 
> monitor connected? Which OS X?
> 

Leopard 10.5.8, 2xDVI-I  (one stock DVI & one with adapter on the ADC Connector 
making a DVI connection) one monitor per port. video card is a Nvidia Geforce4 
MX 64mb
Hope that helps. Jeff

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Re: choosing the monitor?

[Bill Connelly]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

Here's my problem.. I have my powermac w/24" monitor located in the  
office then I have another "smaller" 19" monitor I'd like to  
watch video's off of in the living room. Both are connected to the  
powermac (G4 MDD)... is there a way to "select" the front room  
monitor to play movies on? I've tried the "mirror displays" feature,  
but it seriously messes with screen resolution on the powermac? Jeff


What video card and video card connectors do you have? and how is each  
monitor connected? Which OS X?


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Illirik Smirnov  wrote:

> This is the reason that I really don't care about new Apple products.
> I use what I use, and when something of mine breaks I look for the
> thing that does what it used to do in the nicest, cheapest, and
> fastest way possible. New apple products don't do things that my old
> Apple (and other manufacturers) products do faster, nor nicer, nor
> cheaper.
>

Illrik

When Apple's changes effect that use of your old Mac you will know it. And I
think that will be soon if you do much work on it and it calls home.


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choosing the monitor?

[Jeffrey Engle]

Here's my problem.. I have my powermac w/24" monitor located in the office 
then I have another "smaller" 19" monitor I'd like to watch video's off of in 
the living room. Both are connected to the powermac (G4 MDD)... is there a way 
to "select" the front room monitor to play movies on? I've tried the "mirror 
displays" feature, but it seriously messes with screen resolution on the 
powermac? Jeff

Jeff Engle
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Dan  wrote:

>  At 3:24 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is what this thread is about and not the
> fact that I was inspired by " LION" and Apple/Jobs going deep to the dark
> side is what this is about
>
>
> I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or bad.
>
> People want laptops that are more rugged and have better battery life.
> Currently, the HD is a problem - it is fragile and a power pig.  So
> replacing it with SSD makes sense.
>
> WRT the life of the device... Remember, these machines use Intel parts - so
> they are simply not designed to have a life beyond 3 years or so.  For the
> *average* user that is overstocked with RAM, paging to the SSD will be
> minimal.  And since those users only do a trivial amount of photo
> editing...  probably the SSD will be ok, at least for the life of their
> AppleCare contract.
>
>
> At 3:30 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread
> about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low
> enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much
> more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make money
> if Apple keeps up their S*it!
>
> SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent
> B77tard!
>
>
> The discussion of SSD vs HD is legit - it's going to be a BIG part of
> Lion's "standard" environment.
>
> Threads drift.  Get over it.
>
> - Dan.
>
>

Yeah talk about drives are THAT important.  Fiidling while Rome burns. The
sky is falling and I am looking for opinions of how fast and what the impact
radius of these Apple dictates changes might be and you want to remark in
the color of the dust.
Sure go ahead. No way I can stop you.

Talk about a figure - ground schism! Sheesh!

Even after someone tried to spin off the drive discussion in a courteous LEM
user term compliant way.

I can get over top posting. But thread hijackers and thread invaders still
piss me off.
Get over it.






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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Illirik Smirnov]

This is the reason that I really don't care about new Apple products.
I use what I use, and when something of mine breaks I look for the
thing that does what it used to do in the nicest, cheapest, and
fastest way possible. New apple products don't do things that my old
Apple (and other manufacturers) products do faster, nor nicer, nor
cheaper.

On 10/22/10, Dan  wrote:
> At 3:24 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is what this thread is about and not the
>> fact that I was inspired by " LION" and Apple/Jobs going deep to the dark
>> side is what this is about
>
>
> I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or bad.
>
> People want laptops that are more rugged and have better battery life.
> Currently, the HD is a problem - it is fragile and a power pig.  So
> replacing it with SSD makes sense.
>
> WRT the life of the device... Remember, these machines use Intel parts - so
> they are simply not designed to have a life beyond 3 years or so.  For the
> *average* user that is overstocked with RAM, paging to the SSD will be
> minimal.  And since those users only do a trivial amount of photo
> editing...  probably the SSD will be ok, at least for the life of their
> AppleCare contract.
>
>
> At 3:30 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>
>> Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread
>> about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low
>> enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc.
>> Much more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make
>> money if Apple keeps up their S*it!
>>
>> SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent
>> B77tard!
>
>
> The discussion of SSD vs HD is legit - it's going to be a BIG part of Lion's
> "standard" environment.
>
> Threads drift.  Get over it.
>
> - Dan.
>
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>
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Dan]

Title: Re: IS the world about to change
?


At 3:24 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
wrote:
Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is what
this thread is about and not the fact that I
was inspired by " LION" and Apple/Jobs going deep to the
dark side is what this is about

I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or
bad.

People want laptops that are more rugged and have better battery
life.  Currently, the HD is a problem - it is fragile and a power
pig.  So replacing it with SSD makes sense.

WRT the life of the device... Remember, these machines use Intel
parts - so they are simply not designed to have a life beyond 3 years
or so.  For the *average* user that is overstocked with RAM,
paging to the SSD will be minimal.  And since those users only do
a trivial amount of photo editing...  probably the SSD will be
ok, at least for the life of their AppleCare contract.


At 3:30 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
wrote:
Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can
do with your turning the thread about the complexities of Apple going
to the dark side and hurting low enders from the real meaning of SD
versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much more important that you poor
people concerned about how you can make money if Apple keeps up their
S*it!

SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics
don't you GET it you indigent B77tard!

The discussion of SSD vs HD is legit - it's going to be a BIG
part of Lion's "standard" environment.

Threads drift.  Get over it.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
>> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
>>> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
 fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta 
> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
>> > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
>> > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
>> > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
>> > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a
>> well-
>> > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).
>>
>> Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
>> purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.
>>
>> The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
>> Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
>> 
>>
>
>
> Uh, will they run LION ?
>  _
>


 Frickin' DUH !

>
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>

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>>>
>>
>> Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread
>> about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low
>> enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much
>> more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make money
>> if Apple keeps up their S*it!
>>
>> SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent
>> B77tard!
>>
>
> Who you callin' an indigent!
>
>>
>>

Apologies to all for turning this important thread about memory storage into
an irrelevant bunch of BS.
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
>> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
>>> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta 
 wrote:

> On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
> > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
> > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
> > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a
> well-
> > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).
>
> Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
> purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.
>
> The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
> Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
> 
>


 Uh, will they run LION ?
  _

>>>
>>>
>>> Frickin' DUH !
>>>

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>>>
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>>
>
> Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread
> about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low
> enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much
> more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make money
> if Apple keeps up their S*it!
>
> SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent
> B77tard!
>

Who you callin' an indigent!

>
>>
>>
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
>> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta wrote:
>>>
 On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
 > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
 > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
 > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
 > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a
 well-
 > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).

 Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
 purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.

 The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
 Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
 

>>>
>>>
>>> Uh, will they run LION ?
>>>  _
>>>
>>
>>
>> Frickin' DUH !
>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>
> HEY ! Dude don't be so offensive ! I will report you to a Nanny !
>

Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread
about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low
enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much
more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make money
if Apple keeps up their S*it!

SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent
B77tard!

>
>
>
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
>>> > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
>>> > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
>>> > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
>>> > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a well-
>>> > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).
>>>
>>> Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
>>> purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.
>>>
>>> The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
>>> Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>> Uh, will they run LION ?
>>  _
>>
>
>
> Frickin' DUH !
>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>
HEY ! Dude don't be so offensive ! I will report you to a Nanny !



> Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
>
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <
fluxstrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta wrote:
>
>> On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
>> > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
>> > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
>> > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
>> > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a well-
>> > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).
>>
>> Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
>> purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.
>>
>> The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
>> Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
>> 
>>
>
>
> Uh, will they run LION ?
>  _
>


Frickin' DUH !

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>
>
>
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sri Gupta wrote:

> On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> > translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
> > reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
> > the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
> > finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a well-
> > built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).
>
> Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
> purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.
>
> The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
> Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.
> 
>


Uh, will they run LION ?


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is what this thread is about and not
the factthat I was inspired by " LION" and Apple/Jobs going deep to
the dark side is
what this is about

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Sri Gupta]

On Oct 21, 9:46 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> translation, not anytime soon.  tho' a mechanical device, a HD's
> reliable life is still more than one order of magnitude greater than
> the best (most expensive) SSD currently available.  SSD's have a
> finite number of read/write cycles that just doesn't compare to a well-
> built HD (quantum, seagate, maxtor).  

Quantum sold their hard drive division to Maxtor in 2001.. who were
purchased lock, stock and barrel by Seagate in 2006.

The big HD manufacturers left are Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi,
Fujitsu, Toshiba, and Samsung.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM, glen  wrote:

>
>
>
> >
> >From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
>
> >>
> Content with prettier eye candy sells ideas If you cannot keep up with the
> current "style" your content looks flaky and suspect. Think here of
> mimeographed
>
> political flyers when Xerox came out. The medium in itself is a semaphore
> subtexting and toning whatever it expresses.
>
> Rather than the democratizing effect that personal computers should have,
> if you
>
> cannot keep up financially your ability to put a message out is
> compromised.
>
> Your comments about the struggle on the street level I can well identify
> with.
> Steve jobs has lost touch with the needs of the masses he sought in the old
> days.
> >>
>
> Well, the mimeograph analogy is not the best but does serve a an example of
> waning technology.
>
> In the early 70's my political friends and I produced 2 & 3 color political
> flyers on a mimeograph. Xerox was a rather low quality black and white
> substitute at at that time. Even the Gestetner mimeo techs were amazed at
> what
> we could do with their machines and took samples of our work to their
> regional
> office. We were doing duotones on a mimeograph. It took Xerox another 30
> years
> to get a decent color copier. --And we were hard pressed to buy food in
> those
> days.
>
> I guess the point, is that if we are creative enough we will find solutions
> to
> the latest technological advances we are faced with regardless of our
> budget (or
> lack of). I have no fear of Apple or any other corporate giant. Just deal
> with
> it!! --glen
>

When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds, Goldberg and
McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver
headaches whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired , tired, tired i say. ( and
the shouting masses behind me) I want an affordable mac that will do the job
and be upgradeable in increments as I can afford them.
At one time a used 7xoo filled that need. but the old clunker hasn't the
horsepower to pull the tall gears of modern software even slowly.

And saying it again for the upteenth time, Apple now actively working to
break the balls of even much more recent machines demoralizes troupes more
well heeled than I. so what chance do I have?

Being poor does not seem to translate well even on Low End Mac pages ( If
they are so poor why do they have or want computer? (TO USE AS TOOLS TO MAKE
MONEY SO THEY WONT BE SO DAMNEDLY POOR !  THAT'sWHY !) [apologies to the
sensitive. But one needs to shout when communications are not heard.

LOW END to me means poor.

People too poor to afford new computers.
People too poor to afford costly repairs.
People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.

If poor is not translatable then NEW END Mac would be a good place rather
than being tortured by the rants of the relatively indigent.

Fear Apple? That is not the subject. Asking Apple for some GD slack is more
like it. Asking The Steve for a crumb from the table. Appealing to his
beginnings.

Get it ?







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