Apple inside?

[Scotty]

Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for
mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad.   Now I am wondering
if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of
eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for their computers instead of
looking to Intel or IBM for CPUs.  If they did those with Intel Macs
could eventually find themselves in the same boat as us diehards that
are still using PPC Macs.   Just a thought.  I mean now that they have
a company that makes procs for mobile devices it does not seem like a
big leap at least for their MacBook laptops.  Has anyone else been
wondering about that?

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Re: Apple inside?

[Brian Christmas]

On 24/10/2010, at 5:19 PM, Scotty wrote:

 Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for
 mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad.   Now I am wondering
 if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of
 eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for their computers instead of
 looking to Intel or IBM for CPUs.  If they did those with Intel Macs
 could eventually find themselves in the same boat as us diehards that
 are still using PPC Macs.   Just a thought.  I mean now that they have
 a company that makes procs for mobile devices it does not seem like a
 big leap at least for their MacBook laptops.  Has anyone else been
 wondering about that?

Doesn't matter a darn whether they start making their own desktop chips or use 
advances from Intel. In 5-8 years time people will be buying dirt cheap used 
Core 2 duo Macs from this era, and complaining that they won't run the latest 
software. It's a cut and dried argument, either you can afford to keep up, or 
you can't. The end of this race is a long way  away yet.

Regards

Santa

And what, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
And it is this..
Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged with numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
find
itself
innumerably

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Re: Apple inside?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Scotty daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for
 mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad.   Now I am wondering
 if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of
 eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for their computers instead of
 looking to Intel or IBM for CPUs.  If they did those with Intel Macs
 could eventually find themselves in the same boat as us diehards that
 are still using PPC Macs.   Just a thought.  I mean now that they have
 a company that makes procs for mobile devices it does not seem like a
 big leap at least for their MacBook laptops.  Has anyone else been
 wondering about that?
 _



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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.comwrote:

 Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
 hard drive, eh?

 Bill


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Re: Apple inside?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Everything that has occurred in Silicon Valley in the last couple of
decades also occurred in the 1850s. Anyone who thinks that wild-ass high
tech venture capitalism is a late-20th-century California phenomenon needs
to read about the maniacs who built the first transatlantic cable projects.
The only things that have changed since then are that the stakes have gotten
smaller, the process more bureaucratized, and the personalities less
interesting.

Neal Stephenson  Mother Earth, Mother Board 1996 for Wired

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Re: Apple inside?

[Dan]

At 11:19 PM -0700 10/23/2010, Scotty wrote:

Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for
mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad.


In ?2008?, Apple bought PA Semi, a company that *designs* chips. 
Like Apple, they don't fabricate (make) anything - that work is all 
farmed out to companies such as Foxconn.


The first result of this collaboration is the A4 SoC (System On a 
Chip).  The SoC contains a licensed ARM Cortex-A9 processor, an ARM 
Mali GPU (graphics processor), a memory controller, and some other 
things -- all on the *one* chip.  The big dealio is its size and its 
low low low power usage.


Now I am wondering if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple 
has any intention of eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for 
their computers instead of looking to Intel or IBM for CPUs. [snip] 
Has anyone else been wondering about that?


This speculation has been circulating for months, ever since Apple 
bought PA Semi.


L'Jobs has stated over and over that Apple will NOT be beholden to 
any other company, period.


When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce 
faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by 
switching to Intel's new Core architecture.


Now Intel is dropping the ball -- their so-called low-power offerings 
are awful.  In addition to being power pigs, Intel has bolted on 
their own horribly slow graphics processors.  Yea, right - like Mac 
users will want laptops with shorter battery lives and lower gaming 
frame rates.  heh.  It was shortly after announcing those products 
that Apple bought PA Semi.


Apple using the A4 in iPod, iPad, and iPhone is, essentially, a 
phaser barrage across Intel's bow.  The race is on:  If Intel fixes 
their offerings, then maybe Apple will stick with 'em.  Maybe.  If 
Apple and PA Semi manage to speed up the A4, then they'll be perfect 
for the MB, MBA, and MBP fairly soon.


... Notice please last week's MBA refresh.  So much of the MBA is 
updated, and yet it's using the same old stale Core 2 Duo processor! 
Why?  Because Intel's new laptop chips are garbage.


I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 
portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops.  OS X and iOS merged (Lion 
being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86.  yum.


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Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Scotty]

Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.

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Re: Apple inside?

[James Therrault]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote:


At 11:19 PM -0700 10/23/2010, Scotty wrote:

Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for
mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad.


In ?2008?, Apple bought PA Semi, a company that *designs* chips.  
Like Apple, they don't fabricate (make) anything - that work is  
all farmed out to companies such as Foxconn.


The first result of this collaboration is the A4 SoC (System On a  
Chip).  The SoC contains a licensed ARM Cortex-A9 processor, an ARM  
Mali GPU (graphics processor), a memory controller, and some other  
things -- all on the *one* chip.  The big dealio is its size and  
its low low low power usage.


Now I am wondering if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple  
has any intention of eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for  
their computers instead of looking to Intel or IBM for CPUs.  
[snip] Has anyone else been wondering about that?


This speculation has been circulating for months, ever since Apple  
bought PA Semi.


L'Jobs has stated over and over that Apple will NOT be beholden to  
any other company, period.


When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce  
faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by  
switching to Intel's new Core architecture.


Don'tcha mean G5?


Now Intel is dropping the ball -- their so-called low-power  
offerings are awful.  In addition to being power pigs, Intel has  
bolted on their own horribly slow graphics processors.  Yea, right  
- like Mac users will want laptops with shorter battery lives and  
lower gaming frame rates.  heh.  It was shortly after announcing  
those products that Apple bought PA Semi.


Apple using the A4 in iPod, iPad, and iPhone is, essentially, a  
phaser barrage across Intel's bow.  The race is on:  If Intel fixes  
their offerings, then maybe Apple will stick with 'em.  Maybe.  If  
Apple and PA Semi manage to speed up the A4, then they'll be  
perfect for the MB, MBA, and MBP fairly soon.


... Notice please last week's MBA refresh.  So much of the MBA is  
updated, and yet it's using the same old stale Core 2 Duo  
processor! Why?  Because Intel's new laptop chips are garbage.


I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4  
portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops.  OS X and iOS merged  
(Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86.   
yum.


Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with  
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM  
or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other  
Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have  
proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to  
clock speed supporting multiple cores.


Just my 2¢ worth...

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[James Therrault]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Scotty wrote:


Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.



I'm not sure but I did have a 7,200 rpm 60GB drive installed into an  
old 466MHz a few years ago.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Jeff Bequette]

On Oct 23, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Vic vma...@gmail.com wrote:

On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:

  Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
  hard drive, eh?

  Bill

 http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium 
...

  m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?

I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an  
old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it  
could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was  
akin to Vaporware)



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I remember looking at a whopping 10mb external HD for my Mac 512ke,  
maybe a Cider?  cost was north of $1000, which could be why I kept  
doing the floppy shuffle.




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Re: Apple inside?

[Dan]

At 5:07 AM -0600 10/24/2010, James Therrault wrote:
When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce 
faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by 
switching to Intel's new Core architecture.


Don'tcha mean G5?


The roadmap called for both the G4 and G5 to progress.  The G5 was 
really targeted toward desktop and server type machines, that had the 
available power and room for giant heat sinks.  The G4 (7450) was the 
laptop chip that stalled out hard.


Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with 
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM 
or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other 
Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have 
proven fruitful.


hah.  No way would Big Blue ever license the Power architecture to 
the likes of Intel or AMD


Apple had little to do with things, back in the day.  It was the IBM 
/ Motorola / Freescale collective that was designing and producing 
the chips.  Their sales to Apple were so trivial that Apple basically 
had no influence.  Ultimately, they went in the direction best for 
them...  IBM put their efforts in the real Power chips. 
Moto/Freescale went for the embedded processor market.  And Apple 
switched to the lemming platform.


Power technology is now way up there with regards to clock speed 
supporting multiple cores.


Yea.  We call that Defeat Snatched From The Jaws of Victory.  ... 
which of course brings us back the old argument of wanting that 
robust build of OS X, that runs on Intel x86, AMD x86, ARM, and Power.


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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

   I have an 80G in one of mine, but I think it might only be 125G??? I know 
this is the max in an old G4 Tower built around the same time period... I have 
followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with higher then 120G... 




-Original Message-
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Subject: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.

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Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are 
going...

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[John Carmonne]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:33 AM, James Therrault wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Scotty wrote:
 
 Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
 366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.
 


I belive it's 128 GB I have a 100 in my Wallstreet 300.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP




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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[william Bowles]

On 24 Oct 2010, at 12:33, James Therrault wrote:



On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Scotty wrote:


Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.



I'm not sure but I did have a 7,200 rpm 60GB drive installed into an  
old 466MHz a few years ago.



I think its the old 120 gb limit.

the max ive ever put in one is 100 gb still had to partition it though

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Re: Apple inside?

[James Therrault]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Dan wrote:


At 5:07 AM -0600 10/24/2010, James Therrault wrote:
When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce  
faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by  
switching to Intel's new Core architecture.


Don'tcha mean G5?


The roadmap called for both the G4 and G5 to progress.  The G5 was  
really targeted toward desktop and server type machines, that had  
the available power and room for giant heat sinks.  The G4 (7450)  
was the laptop chip that stalled out hard.


Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with  
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither  
IBM or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with  
other Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD  
could have proven fruitful.


hah.  No way would Big Blue ever license the Power architecture to  
the likes of Intel or AMD


Apple had little to do with things, back in the day.  It was the  
IBM / Motorola / Freescale collective that was designing and  
producing the chips.  Their sales to Apple were so trivial that  
Apple basically had no influence.  Ultimately, they went in the  
direction best for them...  IBM put their efforts in the real Power  
chips. Moto/Freescale went for the embedded processor market.  And  
Apple switched to the lemming platform.


But if you look back at the original IBM/Motorola/Apple alliance, the  
only partner that fulfilled it's obligations/promises was Apple. IBM  
was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips and IBM and  
Motorola continuously squabbled over things like ALTIVEC etc. The PS2  
effort was a failure and chip speeds/attributes began to lag behind  
Intel/AMD.


Most of the earlier PPC chips were made and (co-designed) by IBM/ 
Motorola and were made right here in Austin at a brand spankin' new FAB.


Eventurally and partly due to the ALTIVEC squabble, IBM took over  
most G4 production and I believe virtually all of the G5 work. It is  
during the G5 era that Motorola spun off its semiconductor business  
which is now known as freescale.  (AMD did the same with Spansion, we  
have both in Austin).


When I look at things, I tend to think big picture. I see a lot of  
opportunities missed.



Power technology is now way up there with regards to clock speed  
supporting multiple cores.


Yea.  We call that Defeat Snatched From The Jaws of Victory.  ...  
which of course brings us back the old argument of wanting that  
robust build of OS X, that runs on Intel x86, AMD x86, ARM, and Power.


You bet!  Such a build may exist but...  Does Apple see the opportunity?

sigh

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Re: Apple inside?

[schaffpa]

- Original Message - 
From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Apple inside? 


On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: 


 I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 
 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops. OS X and iOS merged 
 (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86. 
 yum. 

Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with 
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops. Neither IBM 
or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other 
Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have 
proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to 
clock speed supporting multiple cores. 

Just my 2¢ worth... 

JT 

(Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.) 8^P 

AMD does not do PPC. Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for laptops, 
was sound. It let them compete with PCs. 

It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint. 
Intel is undeniably better at that! 

As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I understand 
the move to Intel. 

Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing. Let the good times 
roll... 

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Re: Apple inside?

[Daniel Stewart]

Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more
wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move.  They only did it
to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4
because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were
loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty
much to it's limit.  The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but
it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped
too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
not push back a release date on new laptops.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM,  schaf...@comcast.net wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple inside?


 On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote:


 I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4
 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops.  OS X and iOS merged
 (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86.
 yum.

 Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with
 regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM
 or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other
 Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have
 proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to
 clock speed supporting multiple cores.

 Just my 2¢ worth...

 JT

 (Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.)  8^P

 AMD does not do PPC.  Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for
 laptops, was sound.  It let them compete with PCs.

 It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint.
 Intel is undeniably better at that!

 As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I
 understand the move to Intel.

 Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing.  Let the good
 times roll...

 - Peter




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Re: Apple inside?

[JoeTaxpayer]

I've been in the industry for 26+ years.
It's rare to see a leap that's outside the bounds of Moore's law.
The geometry of semiconductors moves in small increments, 1/4 micron,
200nm, 180nm, 120nm, 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, 32nm you get the idea.
Most vendors have hit a bit of a wall in terms of performance as
measured by speed, and have started the multi core, Intel, PA Semi
(bought by Apple), Cavium, Freescale (the manufacturer formerly known
as Motorola Semiconductor).
I am open to the discovery of a new technology that does this, whoever
has this breakthough will be rich, indeed, as will their
shareholders.
Somewhere in the world there are a million software writers drooling
all over themselves for such a thing.

On Oct 24, 2:40 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:

 CPU magazine claims that next year a technology and logic combination will
 be released that will be 1000 times as fast and blow everything out of the
 water.

 CPU has never let me down on a prediction despite the constant skepticism
 here.

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Re: Apple inside?

[Alex Barnes]

 (snip) Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more
 wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move.  They only did it
 to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4
 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were
 loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty
 much to it's limit.  The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
 solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
 anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but
 it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped
 too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
 not push back a release date on new laptops. (snip)
The switch to Intel was a smart move because it enabled the Macs to dual boot 
Windoze and in turn it brought in a lot of sales. Also, I like the Intel CPUs 
because even the weakest ones were faster than the G5s. My 13 MBP has 
wy better benchmarks than the last Powermac G5. 
On Oct 24, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more
 wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move.  They only did it
 to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4
 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were
 loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty
 much to it's limit.  The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
 solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
 anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but
 it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped
 too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
 not push back a release date on new laptops.
 
 On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM,  schaf...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple inside?
 
 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 
 I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4
 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops.  OS X and iOS merged
 (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86.
 yum.
 
 Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with
 regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM
 or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other
 Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have
 proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to
 clock speed supporting multiple cores.
 
 Just my 2¢ worth...
 
 JT
 
 (Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.)  8^P
 
 AMD does not do PPC.  Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for
 laptops, was sound.  It let them compete with PCs.
 
 It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint.
 Intel is undeniably better at that!
 
 As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I
 understand the move to Intel.
 
 Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing.  Let the good
 times roll...
 
 - Peter
 
 
 
 
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Re: Apple inside?

[Daniel Stewart]

The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2
duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance and I don't know many
Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to and
there are emulators that would have run XP or the Vista virus on the
PPC platform if you absolutely insist on it.  Ultimately Apple ended
up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote:
 (snip) Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more
 wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move.  They only did it
 to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4
 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were
 loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty
 much to it's limit.  The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
 solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
 anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but
 it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped
 too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
 not push back a release date on new laptops. (snip)
 The switch to Intel was a smart move because it enabled the Macs to dual boot 
 Windoze and in turn it brought in a lot of sales. Also, I like the Intel CPUs 
 because even the weakest ones were faster than the G5s. My 13 MBP has 
 wy better benchmarks than the last Powermac G5.
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more
 wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move.  They only did it
 to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4
 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were
 loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty
 much to it's limit.  The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
 solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
 anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but
 it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped
 too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
 not push back a release date on new laptops.

 On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM,  schaf...@comcast.net wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple inside?


 On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote:


 I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4
 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops.  OS X and iOS merged
 (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86.
 yum.

 Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with
 regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM
 or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other
 Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have
 proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to
 clock speed supporting multiple cores.

 Just my 2¢ worth...

 JT

 (Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.)  8^P

 AMD does not do PPC.  Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for
 laptops, was sound.  It let them compete with PCs.

 It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint.
 Intel is undeniably better at that!

 As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I
 understand the move to Intel.

 Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing.  Let the good
 times roll...

 - Peter




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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Everything that has occurred in Silicon Valley in the last couple of
decades also occurred in the 1850s. Anyone who thinks that wild-ass  
high
tech venture capitalism is a late-20th-century California phenomenon  
needs
to read about the maniacs who built the first transatlantic cable  
projects.
The only things that have changed since then are that the stakes  
have gotten

smaller, the process more bureaucratized, and the personalities less
interesting.


go find The Victorian Internet for a nice hostory of that time

http://tomstandage.wordpress.com/books/the-victorian-internet/


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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



CPU magazine claims that next year a technology and logic  
combination will
be released that will be 1000 times as fast and blow everything out  
of the

water.

CPU has never let me down on a prediction despite the constant  
skepticism

here.



Citation please. I'd like to see what they're talking about.

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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:


The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water  
but
it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience  
jumped

too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
not push back a release date on new laptops. (snip)
The switch to Intel was a smart move because it enabled the Macs to  
dual boot Windoze and in turn it brought in a lot of sales. Also, I  
like the Intel CPUs because even the weakest ones were faster than  
the G5s. My 13 MBP has wy better benchmarks than the last  
Powermac G5.


Apple moved to Intel because they finally had a partner big enough to  
produce large numbers of cutting edge CPUS  and do so with Apple as a  
major customer in mind.


Apple is now one of Intel's top 5 customers. They were never more than  
a sideline to Motorola or IBM. The Cell CPU wouldn't have made much  
difference as a laptop cpu; if it did, MS would have come out with a  
portable XBox a long time ago.


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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote:


Ultimately Apple ended
up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.


yeah, record-breaking profits, stock at stratospheric highs, a  
complete rejuvenation of the platform and more Macs sold than ever in  
their history.


Dell stockholders could only WISH to 'pay such a price'

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Re: Apple inside?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Apple inside?
Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N
From:James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Dan wrote:
 Eventurally and partly due to the ALTIVEC squabble, IBM took over
 most G4 production and I believe virtually all of the G5 work.

Wasn't IBM holding on to the G3 – making it faster and faster, while Motorola 
developed AltiVec, which IBM didn't see the need for?

The G4 alias PowerPC 74xx is all Motorola, while the G3's alias PowerPC 7xx 
were from IBM and Motorola. With the G5's alias PowerPC 970 which are all IBM 
the page turned – and Motorola's chip production became Freescale. They still 
make G4 offsprings (like the e600), and IBM dropped the PowerPC and 
concentrated on their POWER technology.

 It is
 during the G5 era that Motorola spun off its semiconductor business
 which is now known as freescale.

Yes, exactly.

 (AMD did the same with Spansion, we
 have both in Austin).

I've to look into this.
You're not talking about the Geode embedded CPUs, whose development was 
stopped? At least so I've read a few years ago.


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Apple inside?

[daniel . stewart743]

Apple went with Intel in a premature attempt to boost laptop sales which was 
their second best seller after ipods.  The Cell procssor would have been perfct 
for laptops which why the made one specifically for that purpose.  I have no 
idea how an xbox has anything to do with PPC based laptop.  It was a bad move.  
Of course they are top clients with Intel.  Intel is not even close to being in 
the same league as Big Blue.  

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:

 The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC
 solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then
 anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water  
 but
 it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience  
 jumped
 too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could
 not push back a release date on new laptops. (snip)
 The switch to Intel was a smart move because it enabled the Macs to  
 dual boot Windoze and in turn it brought in a lot of sales. Also, I  
 like the Intel CPUs because even the weakest ones were faster than  
 the G5s. My 13 MBP has wy better benchmarks than the last  
 Powermac G5.

Apple moved to Intel because they finally had a partner big enough to  
produce large numbers of cutting edge CPUS  and do so with Apple as a  
major customer in mind.

Apple is now one of Intel's top 5 customers. They were never more than  
a sideline to Motorola or IBM. The Cell CPU wouldn't have made much  
difference as a laptop cpu; if it did, MS would have come out with a  
portable XBox a long time ago.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Her use of the conversational alternatives reminds me that were rich  
text to
be legitimized on LEM we could use text formatting such as font or  
color to
intercut and clarify for those who are challenged by comparing the  
response

to the original.


I can tell you've never gotten a 'rich' text email from someone who  
used a font you didn't have and it ends up rendiring as one line of 3- 
point type...or the last entry here http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email


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Re: Apple inside?

[Daniel Stewart]

Bruce I was talking about how things were perceived when it was
revealed that they would have had a far better product if they had
waited and your comments are misleading since the vast majority of
Apple's record sales and stock increases over the last several years
have been generated almost entirely by sales of the many incarnations
of the ipod not computers.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 Ultimately Apple ended
 up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.

 yeah, record-breaking profits, stock at stratospheric highs, a complete
 rejuvenation of the platform and more Macs sold than ever in their history.

 Dell stockholders could only WISH to 'pay such a price'

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:40 PM, John Callahan wrote:

Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about  
IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read  
thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer.  
Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the  
Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies  
have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone  
enlighten me please.


Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Yes, because the world ALWAYS changes.

What everyone seems to forget that this was a sneak preview of  
features that were the splashiest. Apple got a load of criticism that  
10.6 was short on features, even though it was a huge upgrade from the  
standpoint of performance and internal, under the hood stuff.


This also represents a integration of iOS elements back into the Mac  
OS. I predict that many of these features will be like Dashboard or  
Spaces: some folks never run them, some folks couldn't live without.  
(in my case: one of each...I never use Dashboard, couldn't live  
without Spaces).


Apple moving to the App Store was a business no-brainer. The longer- 
term implication that all the naysayers immediately leapt to is that  
this will be the ONLY means of getting apps on the Mac despite Job's  
explicit denial of that in the keynote neglects the reason for  
exclusivity in the iPhone apps store: To make sure nothing can screw  
up the basic phone functionality and to ensure that the iPhone doesn't  
crash, something far more important in the limited resource  
environment of the iPhone than the Mac.


Note: the iTunes store is NOT the only place to get video or music for  
the iPod and iPhone.


And no, Apple is not going to reverse itself and backport to the G5's,  
any more than Apple would back port OS X to the 68k (even though it  
originally started there).


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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Peter Haas]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with  
higher then 120G...


120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software  
supports a drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).



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Re: Apple inside?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Apple inside?
Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N
From:Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com
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 The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2
 duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance

The Core 2 Duo was a real performance boost comparted to the PowerPC G4 which 
was stuck at 1.5 GHz. I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz is possible 
without overclocking – altough I'm not sure if they aren't overclocked by 
default? Anyway, with the G4 stalled at speed/performance and the G5 running 
too hot and being too power hungry – Intel was the best move at this time.

If you don't believe it, search some for some benchmarks.

Don't go comparing a Quad G5 which is the most expensive desktop/workstation 
you can get to an Intel MacBook!

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/08/mac-performance-august-2007/

Geekbench scores:
2012  MacBook Air (2008), Intel Core 2 Duo P7500 1.6 (2 cores)
2064  Power Mac G5 “Late 2005” G5 2.3DC (2 cores)

You can see that the lamest Intel Core 2 Duo (in a low-power portable 
variant!) is at the level of the 2nd in line high performance desktop model 
from 2005/2006. Two years later the power that you get with a G5 in an ultra-
thin Notebook – all thanks to Intel.

Geekbench scores:
3290  Power Mac G5 “Late 2005” Dual-G5 2.5DC “Quad” (4 cores)
3855  Mac Pro (2006) Intel Xeon 5130 2.0 (4 cores)

The top-of-the-line G5 is outperformed by the weakest of the Intel-based Mac 
Pro's. Doesn't this say it all?

BTW, some more Geekbench scores:
 951  Power Mac G5 (2003) G5 1.6 (1 core) – /Geekbench score 1000/
1165  Power Mac G4 FW800 (2003) G4 Dual-1.42 (2 cores) – /fastest stock G4/
2295  MacBook (2006) Intel Core Duo 1.83 (2 cores)  – /slowest MacBook/
1015  PowerBook 2005() G4 1.67 (1 core) – /fastest PowerBook/

The lamest Core Duo (NOT Core *2* Duo) is faster than the fastest PowerBook 
ever was. And all that within one year (2005-2006)! Okay, the PowerBook has 
only one core, but the MacBook is even as fast with only one core (2295÷2=1146 
which is better than 1015). All this with the same requirements: low power 
consumption, low heat emission.

Do I have to go on?

 I don't know many
 Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to

I have a lot of friends who run Windows next to Mac OS X. Remember, an 
Operating System is not all by itself – it is merely the platform from which 
applications launch. If you need to work with a Windows application (or game, 
although rarely a need as such) you are happy that this is possible so easily… 
natively… officially… without third party emulators…

 there are emulators that would have run XP or the Vista virus on the
 PPC platform if you absolutely insist on it.

Emulation is always slow. Running a virtualization software on the other hand 
is almost as fast as if the operating system was running natively. Actually it 
is running natively, but in a window on your desktop. Well, Windows in a 
virtualization software on an Intel Mac is always faster as in an emulation 
software on a PowerPC Mac.

Some software can do both: emulation and virtualization.

With Intel Macs you have to emulation a PowerPC to run Classic applications. 
Sheepshave can do this, although I hear it is not that easy and sometimes 
unstable.

Anyway, since most Intel Macs are performing so well, this emulation results 
in native speed compared to a real PowerPC. Amazing, isn't it?

 Ultimately Apple ended
 up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.

Yes, made them have the best financial quarter in their history. They are rich 
now.

Who knows what might be Apples situation if they had still PowerPCs in their 
computers?


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


p.s. the newest Geekbench results:
http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

I took a video project  to the talent's home tonight. They brought  
out an

early Intel Mac laptop.
The files were Quicktime. The small resolution overview played fine.  
The
wide screen HQ files were only 1024 wide or so but played haltingly.  
Yuck!


And streaming video off youtube was a joke. I do not mess with the  
machines
of others. But there are 5 year old PCs that would not flinch at  
this. If it
had been my machine I would have been very embarrassed. And Apple  
should be

ashamed.



Huh? How in the hell should APPLE be embarrassed by something screwed  
up on some random person's laptop? Are you implying that no Apple  
laptop of similar vintage can run streaming video?


An Intel Mac !  And too messed up to cut the mustard. Owned by the  
wife of a
highly placed professor with access to a department IT guy. And  
Apple Care

too boot.



Without even SEEING the machine, I'll wager it was a first gen Macbook  
with (places envelope to head a' la the great Karnak) 512 megs of RAM,  
running Tiger.


And sorry to burst your bubble about 'access to a department IT guy',  
but 90% of the 'department IT guy's out there are MSCE types who  
couldn't give a crap about some professor's laptop.


The ONLY reason our college has Mac support at ALL is me, and it's  
pure happenstance that I work where I work, because I had some  
experience programming, a teensy bit of database experience and a  
willingness to dive into terra incognita to port the College's  
financial and alumni databases from Ingres running on a Mini-Vax to a  
'modern' Sybsase 4 system running on a HP/Apollo minicomputer.


At the time we were limited to 4 macs on the network, because that's  
the minimum client pack Novell sold for Macs. In fact I was once  
officially reprimanded for providing Mac support.


ALL of the Mac growth on our systems has come from the ground up, from  
the users, and even with my work, or official policy is 'Mac support  
is ad-hoc; you're mostly on your own'. This is pretty much typical for  
the vast majority of campus IT.


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Re: Apple inside?

[Peter Haas]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote:


IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips


There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC.

Usually sold as part of IBM's AIX products.

Much as Apple's Network Server products supported AIX.

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell
Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N
From:Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
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I have an 80G in one of mine, but I think it might only be 125G???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing
128 GiB ≈ 137.4 GB


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Apple inside?

[Peter Haas]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz is possible
without overclocking – altough I'm not sure if they aren't  
overclocked by

default?


1.42 was the fastest chip which Freescale (successor to Motorola) was  
making in the end.


The 1.8s or any others faster than 1.42 were indeed overclocked by  
default.



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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote:

Apple went with Intel in a premature attempt to boost laptop sales  
which was their second best seller after ipods.  The Cell procssor  
would have been perfct for laptops which why the made one  
specifically for that purpose.  I have no idea how an xbox has  
anything to do with PPC based laptop.


The Xbox now runs on a variant of the Cell CPU. The Playstation 3 runs  
the Cell, too.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Ashgrove]

On Oct 24, 3:34 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 (in my case: one of each...I never use Dashboard, couldn't live  
 without Spaces).

That makes two of us. I started using Desktop Manager in Tiger before
Leopard even reared its spotted head, and was very grateful when Apple
added the multiple simultaneous desktops to the OS via Spaces. It is a
multitasker's dream come true.

I have Dashboard disabled in all my Macs except my only Intel. I have
zero use for it, other than decoration. But I know people who really
use a lot of widgets all the time, so YMMV.

Felix

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[John Carmonne]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Peter Haas wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
 
 I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with higher 
 then 120G...
 
 120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software supports a 
 drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).
 
I have an ATA/IDE 160 GB in a TiBook 500 I use speed tools to over come the 128 
GB limit. There are some open firmware commands that are supposed to it it but 
I was never able to make that method work for me :-)

http://www.speedtools.com/ATA6.html


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Peter Haas]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:56 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

There are some open firmware commands that are supposed to it it  
but I was never able to make that method work for me :-)


The so-called LBA48 property may be added persistently (meaning it  
is available at boot-time) on some desktops (generally, most graphite  
Macs).


Essentially, this provides the supported models with the same  
functionality as the QS 2002 and all later PPC Macs have.


There are three different scripts and each machine can use but two of  
them, one for the HD bus and another for the optical bus.





http://www.speedtools.com/ATA6.html


Speedtools works only after booting has been completed (because it is  
a kernel extension), but it is a more general solution for those who  
can accept an after-boot solution.


Speedtools works on G3 Macs, too.

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Tina K.]

On 2010/10/24 04:05, Scotty so eloquently wrote:

Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?


I put a 120 GB drive in a Tangerine iBook and it worked fine without 
partitioning it.


Tina

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Re: Apple inside?

[Tina K.]

On 2010/10/24 00:35, Brian Christmas so eloquently wrote:

The end of this race is a long way  away yet.


The finish line is constantly being moved, there is no end.

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Re: Apple inside?

[James Therrault]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:47 AM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote:



- Original Message -
From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
 but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops.  Neither IBM
or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other
Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have
proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to
clock speed supporting multiple cores.

Just my 2¢ worth...

JT

(Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.)  8^P

AMD does not do PPC.


No but they could have under a subcontract.  It's done all the time.


Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for laptops, was sound.   
It let them compete with PCs.


It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful  
footprint.  Intel is undeniably better at that!


As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but  
I understand the move to Intel.


Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing.  Let the  
good times roll...


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Re: Apple inside?

[Joshua Juran]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haas wrote:


On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote:


IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips


There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC.


I think he meant OS/2.

Josh


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Re: Apple inside?

[James Therrault]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:


On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haas wrote:


On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote:


IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips


There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC.


I think he meant OS/2.

Josh



Yes I did...

AIX was in use on Macs way before the PPC days.  I remember a  
developer using it in 1990...


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Re: Apple inside?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote:

 
 AIX was in use on Macs way before the PPC days.  I remember a developer using 
 it in 1990...

 AIX is IBM's proprietary frankenunix, you're thinking of A/UX, which was 
Apple's port of System V:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX


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Re: Apple inside?

[Joshua Juran]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


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Subject: Re: Apple inside?
Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N
From:Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com
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The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2
duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance


The Core 2 Duo was a real performance boost comparted to the PowerPC  
G4 which
was stuck at 1.5 GHz. I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz  
is possible
without overclocking – altough I'm not sure if they aren't  
overclocked by

default?


My recollection from the WWDC 2006 presentation is that multiple cores  
have gone mainstream as an alternative to increasing clock speed.   
Whereas a small increase in performance costs you a large increase in  
power consumption and heat generation, a reduction in performance  
(maybe 10 or 20%) cuts the heat and power in half -- at which point  
you can afford a second core, so overall performance is increased  
(provided you can keep both cores busy).



Anyway, with the G4 stalled at speed/performance and the G5 running
too hot and being too power hungry – Intel was the best move at this  
time.


If you don't believe it, search some for some benchmarks.

Don't go comparing a Quad G5 which is the most expensive desktop/ 
workstation

you can get to an Intel MacBook!


I can confirm that a Core Duo iMac easily outperforms a dual G5 tower,  
compiling a large application in gcc on OS X.  I suspect that the  
PowerPC implementation of Mach-O is less efficient than both the Intel  
implementation and CFM.



I don't know many
Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to


Argument from ignorance.  I don't like Windows either, but let's stick  
to the real world.


With Intel Macs you have to emulation a PowerPC to run Classic  
applications.
Sheepshave can do this, although I hear it is not that easy and  
sometimes

unstable.


Confirmed.  Stability and setup difficulty are among the issues  
affecting SheepShaver's usability.


Anyway, since most Intel Macs are performing so well, this emulation  
results

in native speed compared to a real PowerPC. Amazing, isn't it?


SheepShaver may be faster for some I/O-intensive operations, but for  
CPU-bound tasks a real machine performs better.  (At least for now.)   
68K emulators, on the other hand, are orders of magnitude faster than  
the original hardware.



Ultimately Apple ended
up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.


I wonder to whom they look that way, besides yourself.

Again, I like PowerPC more than Intel, but that doesn't mean switching  
was the wrong choice for Apple.  For one thing, the entire clock speed  
war is now irrelevant, since Mac OS X and Windows run on the same chips.


Yes, made them have the best financial quarter in their history.  
They are rich

now.


It's hard to argue with results like that.

Josh


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Re: Apple inside?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2
 duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance and I don't know many
 Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to and
 there are emulators that would have run XP or the Vista virus on the
 PPC platform if you absolutely insist on it.  Ultimately Apple ended
 up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price.
 _


The first IntelMac(MacIntel ?) I ever saw was running Windows to run
Photoshop. I asked the Graduate assistant what he thought of Mac OS. He said
he never used it.

Since then I see a LOT of Macbooks around campus. And most are running
Winblows. a large number of young new buyers don't give a fig about mac OS (
sad but true) .  They don't understand what an intuitive OS is. And I cannot
blame them as OS X stretches ever closer to MS bloat staus. They expect an
OS to run a lot of things at once nad know nothing of CPU load, system
resource management or anything else we learned from having 16 bit , 16 MHz
machines with 2 MB of RAM expanded from 500KB.

Put things in folders? free up RAM? Turn off unused apps. Nah !

Why is this thing SO slow ? What a POS ! I hate Macs ! I used to hear all of
these in various media classes. My tongue has a deep groove in it from
restraining my outbursts of profanity ! ( Nothing to them as the F bomb is
considered polite speech. In fact some of them use it so much it becomes
meaningless. When every 3rd word starts out f___ it is mearly a drone.

So Mac users using  Winblowz disturbs you ? Being around a University where
there  is a MAC store will make you apoplectic.,






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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

   I kind of figured that was the case or someone would have put a bigger one 
in it I'm sure... 




-Original Message-
From: Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com
Sent: Oct 24, 2010 3:38 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell


On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with  
 higher then 120G...

120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software  
supports a drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).


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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

Hey John,
   Can it be done on a Clamshell??? 




-Original Message-
From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell


On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Peter Haas wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
 
 I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with higher 
 then 120G...
 
 120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software supports a 
 drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).
 
I have an ATA/IDE 160 GB in a TiBook 500 I use speed tools to over come the 
128 GB limit. There are some open firmware commands that are supposed to it it 
but I was never able to make that method work for me :-)

http://www.speedtools.com/ATA6.html


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP




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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:



 What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
 The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?

 I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old
 ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an
 HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)

 _

Amigas at first had no HD. But expensive adapters soon emerged.
They took for the most part SCSI which was later built in to some models.
ISA and Zorros slots could run IDE cards. HDs were very expensive. My first
used A500 bought in 1993 had a 40 MB in a big box that housed the interface
also. and also had a RAM expansion in between the HD and the console.
Ungainly but not bad when you got used to it. Then models with slots came.
There are even USB adapters now.

A so called COmmodore 64 is reemrging. A console PC really.

Tandy/Radio Shack models called CoCos ( Color Computers ) used tape drives.
I think it is only in the last ten years their adherents have developed
drive interfaces.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 wrote:


 On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

  Her use of the conversational alternatives reminds me that were rich text
 to
 be legitimized on LEM we could use text formatting such as font or color
 to
 intercut and clarify for those who are challenged by comparing the
 response
 to the original.


 I can tell you've never gotten a 'rich' text email from someone who used a
 font you didn't have and it ends up rendiring as one line of 3-point
 type...or the last entry here http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email

 -



You mentioned that before Bruce. but you work in a University environment
where people get creative. Out here most people have most of the common
ones. Linux users have even more judging by my Debian variant.( I am a sad
and reluctant Linux user at best)

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Richard Gerome]

 The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the "Tandy Apple Clone" ... Never knew they made others too???-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Oct 25, 2010 1:37 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interesting Vintage Website

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:

What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?

The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers? I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)

_Amigas at first had no HD. But expensive adapters soon emerged.They took for the most part SCSI which was later built in to some models. ISA and Zorros slots could run IDE cards. HDs were very expensive. My first used A500 bought in 1993 had a 40 MB in a big box that housed the interface also. and also had a RAM expansion in between the HD and the console. Ungainly but not bad when you got used to it. Then models with slots came. There are even USB adapters now.

A so called COmmodore 64 is reemrging. A console PC really.Tandy/Radio Shack models called CoCos ( Color Computers ) used tape drives. I think it is only in the last ten years their adherents have developed drive interfaces.

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