Will Snow Leopard run on a PPC Mac? And question about Firefox
I have an older Mac Mini that has a PPC processor. I'm currently running the latest version of Leopard and I'm just wondering if Snow Leopard will run on this machine. I've heard it won't but you guys know more! Also, the latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my OS. Are there any other browsers out there that will run on Leopard? Thanks! Cheryl Tehachapi, CA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will Snow Leopard run on a PPC Mac? And question about Firefox
At 8:38 AM -0800 11/12/2011, cheryl wrote: Mac Mini that has a PPC processor. running the latest version of Leopard and I'm just wondering if Snow Leopard will run on this machine. Your Mini is dead-ended with Leopard. Snow Leopard is x86 only. In fact, dumping the powerpc code is what slimmed it down so much, which was one of its big selling points. Also, the latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my OS. Sure it is, sortof. You just need a 3rd party build. http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/ Are there any other browsers out there that will run on Leopard? Camino, SeaMonkey, Firefox, TenFourFox, iCab, etc... I'm still partial to Safari tho. - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will Snow Leopard run on a PPC Mac? And question about Firefox
Sent from my iPhone 4 On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:38 AM, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: I have an older Mac Mini that has a PPC processor. I'm currently running the latest version of Leopard and I'm just wondering if Snow Leopard will run on this machine. I've heard it won't but you guys No it won't unfortunately. Ppc support was removed as of snow leopard(bummer) however, thru Rosetta you can use ppc soft on an intel mac, not that is really useful to you. know more! Also, the latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my OS. Are there any other browsers out there that will run on Leopard Camino opera omnibrowser tenfourfox amongst others, although many browsers run on leopard, it's more the architecture that is a problem. Thanks! Cheryl Tehachapi, CA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Jesse St.John jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote: alright everyone i am using leopard 10.5.8 on a dp 1.25mhz mdd with 2 gigs of ram, any tweaks that you would suggest, any ways to go about kernel hacking and trimming my system? i cant really afford a g5 at the moment, and i dig the ppc arch, so i am using this up for what i am doing. im trying to make it ultra-snappy and everything that doesnt need to run or be loaded, needs to be killed. So any ideas? i have gotten a better video card( i have the adc variety 128meg radeon agp) updated mouse and keyboard and i am using some usb apple pro speakers(there shot). help please. ideas, things to read, anything This isn't Linux. People don't normally kernel hack OS X and rebuild their kernels. I suppose if you really wanted to, you could hunt down the Darwin source code and build a custom kernel with it. You'd probably be missing some key functionality, though, because I believe Apple kept quite a few proprietary bits to themselves. For stripping out unneeded languages, I believe Monolingual is the app. It breaks some commercial applications, though. There's also a utility to strip out the Intel code in Leopard, but I can't recall it's name at the moment. For improving performance, try adding some RAM (though you may be at the upper limit for that G4) and a bigger/faster hard drive. Make sure your Radeon supports Core Image for the best UI experience with Leopard. Radeon isn't enough - we also need the GPUs model number, usually something like 7500/9600/9800. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
This isn't Linux. People don't normally kernel hack OS X and rebuild their kernels. I suppose if you really wanted to, you could hunt down the Darwin source code and build a custom kernel with it. You'd probably be missing some key functionality, though, because I believe Apple kept quite a few proprietary bits to themselves. Sure they do. Custom kernels exist for ALL x86 versions of MacOS X. I am presently running mach_kernel_non-atom on my Shuttle SP35 which has a Pentium 4 541 processor. This proc supports EM64T and hyper-threading, but not SSE4. With mach_kernel_non-atom, I can run any version of Snow Leopard as this kernel is based upon the SL kernel which Apple is REQUIRED to deposit in the open source repository. SL believes I am running on a 3.2 GHz Core Solo, and SL is perfectly happy with that. I am presently running mach_kernel_atom.10.7.1 on my Supermicro Atom 330 Server. This proc also supports EM64T and H-T and also SSE4, but not certain features which make it a Core 2 Duo. With mach_kernel_atom.10.7.1, Lion and Server Lion believe they are running on a 1.6 Ghz Core 2 Duo. Others have hacked the kernels for older procs, and even for non-Intel procs. MacOS X kernel hacking is alive and well, just as OS hacking was alive and well in System/360 OS/360 (1965) through z/System z/OS (currently). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Sure they do. Custom kernels exist for ALL x86 versions of MacOS X. I am presently running mach_kernel_non-atom on my Shuttle SP35 which has a Pentium 4 541 processor. This proc supports EM64T and hyper-threading, but not SSE4. With mach_kernel_non-atom, I can run any version of Snow Leopard as this kernel is based upon the SL kernel which Apple is REQUIRED to deposit in the open source repository. SL believes I am running on a 3.2 GHz Core Solo, and SL is perfectly happy with that. I am presently running mach_kernel_atom.10.7.1 on my Supermicro Atom 330 Server. This proc also supports EM64T and H-T and also SSE4, but not certain features which make it a Core 2 Duo. With mach_kernel_atom.10.7.1, Lion and Server Lion believe they are running on a 1.6 Ghz Core 2 Duo. Others have hacked the kernels for older procs, and even for non-Intel procs. MacOS X kernel hacking is alive and well, just as OS hacking was alive and well in System/360 OS/360 (1965) through z/System z/OS (currently). In principle, I agree with you. It is possible to hack your kernel, it's just not commonly done for PPC. I used to build custom monolithic kernels all the time under Linux kernel 1.2, but the need diminished as more functionality was added to the kernel and the ability to use modules was added. I've also seen a *few* custom kernels on Hackintosh ISOs, but I've never had or felt the need to hack the kernel myself. I think DSDT hacking is more common, though again, it's not something I've had to do. Maybe I'm out of touch with the Hackintosh scene, but I really think Darwin PowerPC kernel hackers are few and far between. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
In principle, I agree with you. It is possible to hack your kernel, it's just not commonly done for PPC. I used to build custom monolithic kernels all the time under Linux kernel 1.2, but the need diminished as more functionality was added to the kernel and the ability to use modules was added. I've also seen a *few* custom kernels on Hackintosh ISOs, but I've never had or felt the need to hack the kernel myself. I think DSDT hacking is more common, though again, it's not something I've had to do. Maybe I'm out of touch with the Hackintosh scene, but I really think Darwin PowerPC kernel hackers are few and far between. DSDT hacking is an essential activity with Hackintoshes. There are as many distinct DSDTs are there are distinct mobos. And, even within an Intel Northbridge and Southbridge complement, each distinct mobo might require its own customized DSDT. Basically, you use Ubuntu Desktop to grab the unmodified DSDT and save it to a USB flash drive. You do not need to install Ubuntu to do this, just boot a temporary version, usually from a CD but with no hard drive. Once dsdt.aml has been written to a USB flash drive, you sneaker net that instance to a working version of an Intel-based MacOS X. Could be a real Mack, but it is more likely to be a Hack. Once on the Mack or Hack, you launch DSDTSE, ideally the 1.4.3 version which has the latest English commands (the developer is Brazilian) and the compare facility. THEN, you start to apply the numerous mods to support MacOS X. There are many usual ones, and also some special ones. With experience comes the facility to edit a DSDT by eye. Otherwise, and especially for a beginner, there are several Guides for DSDT editing. I wrote the one on AMI BIOS DSDT hacking. Others wrote the ones on Award BIOS DSDT hacking, but I revised and extended (and, yes, corrected) several of those. Then, you compile the dsdt thereby producing a new instance of dsdt.aml, and you use that with certain so-called kernel extensions (kexts) in order to boot and use MacOS X on a Hack. The process is by now well understood, and a new x86 product never brought up on MacOS X before can possibly be running MacOS X within 30 minutes. It took no more than that for my latest Hack, a Supermicro Atom 330 Server. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will Snow Leopard run on a PPC Mac? And question about Firefox
thanks for the info! On Nov 12, 8:47 am, Jesse jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone 4 On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:38 AM, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: I have an older Mac Mini that has a PPC processor. I'm currently running the latest version of Leopard and I'm just wondering if Snow Leopard will run on this machine. I've heard it won't but you guys No it won't unfortunately. Ppc support was removed as of snow leopard(bummer) however, thru Rosetta you can use ppc soft on an intel mac, not that is really useful to you. know more! Also, the latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my OS. Are there any other browsers out there that will run on Leopard Camino opera omnibrowser tenfourfox amongst others, although many browsers run on leopard, it's more the architecture that is a problem. Thanks! Cheryl Tehachapi, CA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
On Nov 11, 7:06 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] If you're ok with making future updates (system and app) more complicated, you can rip out unused languages and template files. That won't save you any cpu time, but it will save some disk space. ...As I recall, GarageBand's library is gigantic! [snip] Just last week via Secure Empty Trash I tossed everything with GarageBand and iMovie in the title. Freed up almost 6 gig disk space. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Hacking
As Eric stated before, hacking MacOSX's kernel is not something most people would suggest or think of doing to get more speed, specially the PPC Mac kernel. Some of my friends have modified faster ATI Radeon video cards, like the 9800Pro, or FireGL X3, or 800XT to work in the older AGP slot in your MDD G4 PowerMac and reflashed PC versions of those cards (which can be bought for much less) with a Mac bios file. I think that maybe the 800XT is the fastest video card you will be able to convert to use in your MDD G4 PowerMac and you already have the RAM maxed out at 2gb, so the only other thing I could suggest is to get a SATA controller card to use faster larger hard drives. Not sure what else I would suggest for speeding up MacOSX on your MDD 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac, but if you want some real speed from your OS on that computer, take a look at MorphOS2.7 at http://www.morphos- team.net/ or read about the Lightning OS at this article on OS News http://www.osnews.com/story/15209/ Lastly, I have the exact G4 PowerMac as yours and I ordered a Dual 1.42GHz G4 processor board to replace the Dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, which I am thinking of over-clocking to 1.5GHz or 1.67GHz. I think the Dual 1.42GHz stock Apple part with it's 2mb of L3 Cache over clocked is a better choice than a Sonnet Dual 1.8GHz with zero L3 Cache. Good luck with your speed up efforts on your MDD PowerMac and let me know what you decide to do. Messing around with older systems and trying to get the most out of them is a fun hobby. Regards, David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hacking
Messing around with older systems and trying to get the most out of them is a fun hobby. As is messing around with much, much NEWER systems, and getting them to work on the latest and greatest version of MacOS X. There is NO REASON to expect everyone to adopt the latest and greatest hardware from Apple, when Apple actually makes it SO EASY to run un-modified MacOS X on non-Apple hardware. Perhaps an unintended side-effect of its adoption of NeXT OS and its open source (legal) requirements. After all, the kernel originated at the University of California - Berkeley, NOT at NeXT or Apple or whomever. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see. So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? I should add that Safari works as well. I tested against a new, untouched account and had the same issue, as did my backup disk. Reinstalling SL fixed the issue, which is strange because it seems to have left everything intact - BOINC, LittleSnitch, etc... But it is good to know that a reinstall of SL is painless, unlike earlier versions of OS X. Tina -- Acceleron - HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr - iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm - PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia - Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
