Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
It reminds me of what my sophomore History through Film teacher said when I used Saving Private Ryan as the subject of my report on propaganda films: Sometimes, its fun to be all countercultural and stuff and do things differently, but sometimes everyone does it one way for a good reason. To each his own, but Leopard is just beyond the capabilities of even the fastest G3 to run with any sense of fluency; there's a reason Apple lets you install 10.4 on em but not 10.5. I see the point of running 10.5 on, say, a G4 100MHz below the limit with capable RAM and video card (esp. if you can't live without spaces and stacks, like me), but 10.5 is kinda silly. It'll be like your 6100 (although stick a Sonnet G4 in it and see what happens with OSX; I'd love to see someone try and put 10.5 on it). Will it work? Yes. Well enough to do it for any reason besides because I can? No. Illirik Smirnov On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/23/12 4:18 PM, Illirik Smirnov at illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and yes, but I think that it's probably a better idea to XPostFacto in retail 10.5.8 in if you REALLY want Leopard, and I see no reason why you want it on a G3. It *will* run poorly. I keep either OS9 or 10.3 on all of my G3s (which is a small sample size, seeing as how all I have is an iMac G3 and a Clamshell to go with it). A 350-400+MHz G3 running OS9 is a capable machine, on 10.3 its slow but usable, on 10.4 it's barely usable; I can't imagine it running well in 10.5. But I like some challenges and experiments...;-) I remember back in 2001 that many people said it would be practically impossible to install and use Mac OS 9.1 on a PowerMac 6100 I had at the time. Well, I've installed... And it worked. Slowly, but anyway, I could use iTunes, broadband internet and CD burning (and also a 1024x768 video resolution trough the AV card). I put the brave 6100 (upgraded with a Sonnet G3 processor that many times refused to work properly...) into retirement in 2006, between other things because there was no way to install Mac OS X on it. ;-P -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
I concur 100%. My 1996 PowerMac 7600 with a G4 Sonnet 1000 MHz, IDE HD connected to internal IDE card and plenty of RAM screams with OS 9, but when I boot off OS X it can barely keep the pace of a modest Wallstreet 233MHz. I beleive it is pointless being able to install whatever OS on whatever Mac when it takes days to startup and weeks to pull down menus. Sent from my iPad On 27/lug/2012, at 23:40, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: It reminds me of what my sophomore History through Film teacher said when I used Saving Private Ryan as the subject of my report on propaganda films: Sometimes, its fun to be all countercultural and stuff and do things differently, but sometimes everyone does it one way for a good reason. To each his own, but Leopard is just beyond the capabilities of even the fastest G3 to run with any sense of fluency; there's a reason Apple lets you install 10.4 on em but not 10.5. I see the point of running 10.5 on, say, a G4 100MHz below the limit with capable RAM and video card (esp. if you can't live without spaces and stacks, like me), but 10.5 is kinda silly. It'll be like your 6100 (although stick a Sonnet G4 in it and see what happens with OSX; I'd love to see someone try and put 10.5 on it). Will it work? Yes. Well enough to do it for any reason besides because I can? No. Illirik Smirnov On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/23/12 4:18 PM, Illirik Smirnov at illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and yes, but I think that it's probably a better idea to XPostFacto in retail 10.5.8 in if you REALLY want Leopard, and I see no reason why you want it on a G3. It *will* run poorly. I keep either OS9 or 10.3 on all of my G3s (which is a small sample size, seeing as how all I have is an iMac G3 and a Clamshell to go with it). A 350-400+MHz G3 running OS9 is a capable machine, on 10.3 its slow but usable, on 10.4 it's barely usable; I can't imagine it running well in 10.5. But I like some challenges and experiments...;-) I remember back in 2001 that many people said it would be practically impossible to install and use Mac OS 9.1 on a PowerMac 6100 I had at the time. Well, I've installed... And it worked. Slowly, but anyway, I could use iTunes, broadband internet and CD burning (and also a 1024x768 video resolution trough the AV card). I put the brave 6100 (upgraded with a Sonnet G3 processor that many times refused to work properly...) into retirement in 2006, between other things because there was no way to install Mac OS X on it. ;-P -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: My 1996 PowerMac 7600 with a G4 Sonnet 1000 MHz, IDE HD connected to internal IDE card and plenty of RAM screams with OS 9, but when I boot off OS X it can barely keep the pace of a modest Wallstreet 233MHz. This isn't correct. I own a 7600 with a 450 MHz G4 and it handles OS X 10.4.11 a LOT better than a 233 MHz Wallstreet. It can play most internet steaming video smoothly, and can almost play 1080p HD video. AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). I don't believe any 600 MHz G4 was ever manufactured for the PCI Macs, so the limit would probably be 500 MHz unless you have one of the ZIF PCI cards that will accept a rare 600 MHz ZIF CPU. The key to running OS X on old-world Macs is a fast video card and max RAM. I use flashed PC VisionTek Xtasy Radeon 9100 64MB with the modified Mac Radeon 8500 ROM. There are some better cards, I believe the Radeon 9800 PCI might be best, or perhaps the nVidia GeForce FX6200 256MB? The 7600 max's out at 1 GB RAM (8x128MB). It also helps to have OS X on a RAID 0 striped pair. A 233 MHz Wallstreet is useless for OS X. A max'd out 7600 is possibly useful still, but the cost of making it useful is past the sweet spot and makes no sense economically. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html ;-) Sent from my iPad On 29/lug/2012, at 17:08, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: My 1996 PowerMac 7600 with a G4 Sonnet 1000 MHz, IDE HD connected to internal IDE card and plenty of RAM screams with OS 9, but when I boot off OS X it can barely keep the pace of a modest Wallstreet 233MHz. This isn't correct. I own a 7600 with a 450 MHz G4 and it handles OS X 10.4.11 a LOT better than a 233 MHz Wallstreet. It can play most internet steaming video smoothly, and can almost play 1080p HD video. AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). I don't believe any 600 MHz G4 was ever manufactured for the PCI Macs, so the limit would probably be 500 MHz unless you have one of the ZIF PCI cards that will accept a rare 600 MHz ZIF CPU. The key to running OS X on old-world Macs is a fast video card and max RAM. I use flashed PC VisionTek Xtasy Radeon 9100 64MB with the modified Mac Radeon 8500 ROM. There are some better cards, I believe the Radeon 9800 PCI might be best, or perhaps the nVidia GeForce FX6200 256MB? The 7600 max's out at 1 GB RAM (8x128MB). It also helps to have OS X on a RAID 0 striped pair. A 233 MHz Wallstreet is useless for OS X. A max'd out 7600 is possibly useful still, but the cost of making it useful is past the sweet spot and makes no sense economically. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). There is in fact an 800MHz G4 that Sonnet manufactured (I have one in my 7300), and PowerLogix manufactured a 1GHz G3 card which I had nothing but trouble with. These are probably double-pumping the bus or some other trick to deal with the multiplier limitation. That said, I have not been pleased with OS X's performance on beige Macs, even upgraded, even Gossamer G3s. I prefer to run OS 9 on those machines. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. -- Frank Zappa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html Aha, so you have the 1GHz version of the 800MHz I have. How does it work for you? I had trouble with the 1GHz G3 I used to use, but I have had better luck with Sonnet cards. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Point to ponder: without sponges, how much deeper would the ocean be? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
If the whole system is well tuned it runs fine, under OS 9. But not that faster than the G3 it had before. Now the Carrier ZIF is into an 8600 with a G3 350 MHz and the performace are quite similar. All these card are a true nightmare and as soon as you add memory or cards, or even HDs the stability decreases. Once I got rid of the SCSI for HD, though, the whole system gained stability. By todays standards the SCSI dogma was really painful! I managed to install OS X, 10.3 and probably also 10.4, but I kept having random crashes so that my Mac basement G4 became a blue and white G3 upgraded to G4 with another sonnet thing. Basically most of my Mac basement Macs are heavily upgraded: http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Macintosh_Classic_XLR8d.html Sent from my iPad On 29/lug/2012, at 21:38, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html Aha, so you have the 1GHz version of the 800MHz I have. How does it work for you? I had trouble with the 1GHz G3 I used to use, but I have had better luck with Sonnet cards. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Point to ponder: without sponges, how much deeper would the ocean be? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html Nice try! Instead of this supposed photo, please give any link to an actual Sonnet product that supports a 1 GHz G4 with an L2 L3 cache on a PCI PowerMac such as the 7600. I do not believe any such product exists. And also explain how you get a 20x bus ratio. We've had these fake postings before, the guy with the photos of System Profiler showing his Snow Leopard on a PPC Mac, etc. So tell us the name of the Sonnet card you're using, and provide a link to any review of that product showing it supports 1 GHz operation in a 7600. Also, that 3dfx graphics card would be a total dog in OS X, even slower than the built-in video, so I can understand why you complain about OS X on this 7600. With an OS X supported Radeon card, and PCI Extreme to enable Quartz Extreme acceleration (there's even Core Image acceleration for GeForce PCI), you'd be having a MUCH better time in OS X. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html Nice try! Instead of this supposed photo, please give any link to an actual Sonnet product that supports a 1 GHz G4 with an L2 L3 cache on a PCI PowerMac such as the 7600. I do not believe any such product exists. And also explain how you get a 20x bus ratio. We've had these fake postings before, the guy with the photos of System Profiler showing his Snow Leopard on a PPC Mac, etc. I don't know the specific card he is using (ZIF?), but here is the 800MHz G4 my 7300 uses. http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/crescendo_g4_pci/crescendo_pci_g4_800.html -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- All science is either physics or stamp collecting. -- Ernest Rutherford -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I don't know the specific card he is using (ZIF?), but here is the 800MHz G4 my 7300 uses. Yes, a ZIF card would seem to be the only possibility, if you could find the rare 1 GHz G4 ZIF. http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/crescendo_g4_pci/crescendo_pci_g4_800.html Yes, I forgot about this card. It's drawback is the 4-to-1 backside bus ratio. A 400 MHz card with a 2-to-1 backside bus runs nearly as fast because of this limitation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: eMessage Archiver
On 24 Jul 2012, at 02:33:09 PDT, Barry Levine wrote: Has anyone used this Filemaker runtime developed by John Carlsen for archiving emails? -- The original versions worked well back when Claris EM@ailer was my mail app of choice. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/crescendo_g4_pci/crescendo_pci_g4_800.html Yes, I forgot about this card. It's drawback is the 4-to-1 backside bus ratio. A 400 MHz card with a 2-to-1 backside bus runs nearly as fast because of this limitation. Now *you're* the one who's going to have to provide numbers. :P While I definitely agree the 800MHz card is hobbled because of the bus ratio, I would strongly contest it being *half* as fast. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: For Your Eyes Only --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/crescendo_g4_pci/crescendo_pci_g4_800.html Yes, I forgot about this card. It's drawback is the 4-to-1 backside bus ratio. A 400 MHz card with a 2-to-1 backside bus runs nearly as fast because of this limitation. Now *you're* the one who's going to have to provide numbers. :P While I definitely agree the 800MHz card is hobbled because of the bus ratio, I would strongly contest it being *half* as fast. And here's two sets of benchmarks to prove it. First, http://forums.macworld.com/index.php?/topic/14339-crescendo-pci-g4-800mhz-benchmarks/ This is a user comparison to a 450MHz XLR8 card in a PowerTower Pro. Second, http://eshop.macsales.com/Reviews/Framework.cfm?page=/Benchmarks/sonnet800/page2.html The 7300 with the G4/800 (the setup I'm using) is clearly faster -- sometimes almost double -- than the 7300 with a G4/450. Now, in fairness, tests that are bus-bound clearly suffer compared to real G4s depending on the test, but that's not the comparison we're making here. Interestingly, in raw processor performance in Macbench, the 7300 beat the Luxo iMac G4/800. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegcaps awound? - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
Nice try! Instead of this supposed photo, please give any link to an actual Sonnet product that supports a 1 GHz G4 with an L2 L3 cache on a PCI PowerMac such as the 7600. I do not believe any such product exists. And also explain how you get a 20x bus ratio. We've had these fake postings before, the guy with the photos of System Profiler showing his Snow Leopard on a PPC Mac, etc. So tell us the name of the Sonnet card you're using, and provide a link to any review of that product showing it supports 1 GHz operation in a 7600. Also, that 3dfx graphics card would be a total dog in OS X, even slower than the built-in video, so I can understand why you complain about OS X on this 7600. With an OS X supported Radeon card, and PCI Extreme to enable Quartz Extreme acceleration (there's even Core Image acceleration for GeForce PCI), you'd be having a MUCH better time in OS X. first link: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/jun06/061606.html second link: http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12t=7600 third link: http://www.welovemacs.com/ppcg410002m.html final link, Sonnet leaflet: http://www.sonnettech.com/publicfiles/pdfs/pdf_datasheets/cpci_datasheet.pdf As soon as I have time I'll send the picture of my stuff. Ben Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
On 29/lug/2012, at 17:08, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). I don't believe any 600 MHz G4 was ever manufactured for the PCI Macs, so the limit would probably be 500 MHz unless you have one of the ZIF PCI cards that will accept a rare 600 MHz ZIF CPU. Later G4 chips had 20:1 bus ratio. http://www.mail-archive.com/pci-powermacs@mail.maclaunch.com/msg29153.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
