Re: Shhh!! CS 2
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Shhh!! CS 2 Date:Tuesday, 08. January 2013 From:Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Anyway, this is 7 year old software that won't run on newer Macs, so they really have almost nothing to lose. Acrobat Pro 8 is for Mac OS X 10.4.3 or newer and Macs with G3, G4 or G5 processors or Intel processors. It is reported to run on OS X 10.8. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. No Key requested, just the serial number from the Adobe web site. Great! But... I don't get it. Adobe has built themselves such a crap reputation over the past few years. They've become synonymous with the phrase security vulnerability and their inability to fix other bugs and such... For Adobe to release this old software for free is a Very Good Thing. A wonderful thing! They should be blithering about this to the news media, patting themselves on the back. For once, Adobe does a Good Thing!! But nooo? They're denying it while doing it? Why would they do that? What has happened to their corporate culture that would cause this to happen? I just don't get it. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. No Key requested, just the serial number from the Adobe web site. Great! But... I don't get it. Adobe has built themselves such a crap reputation over the past few years. They've become synonymous with the phrase security vulnerability and their inability to fix other bugs and such... For Adobe to release this old software for free is a Very Good Thing. A wonderful thing! They should be blithering about this to the news media, patting themselves on the back. For once, Adobe does a Good Thing!! But nooo? They're denying it while doing it? Why would they do that? What has happened to their corporate culture that would cause this to happen? I just don't get it. The general consensus around the net is that since Adobe was shutting down the activation servers for CS2, this was SUPPOSED to be given out only to current CS2 customers so they could still use their software. Once this was out in the wild, Adobe is (theoretically) smart enough to know that there are no take backs on the net. My thought is that while they might not admit the mistake, they are going to leave it up and hope for the drug dealer model. The first one is free... Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. Which version of the CS2 package is this? Looks like there's xtra apps in the Premium, over the Standard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Suite Thx, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Shhh!! CS 2 Date:Wednesday, 09. January 2013 From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com According to Forbes and other sources: Adobe has shut down the activation servers, but they're NOT giving anything away for free. The packages provided for download now require a registration key, instead of reaching for the server. Said key is ONLY available to *existing* CS2 customers. True. Adobe: /While this might be interpreted as Adobe giving away software for free, we did it to help our customers./ So, they did it due to their existing CS2 customers. But that is only the cause for the provided download page. Now that it is available, and without restrictions (not even a Adobe ID is required), and that it is comming from Adobe itself, the result is that it is a free giveaway. The truth is that they cannot take it back. It’s out there now. People are using it. It’s not what was intended, but it’s what happend. And even Adobe has to accept that. In fact, they did accept it! Before it was spread on varioud blogs and news sites, the restriction was that you had to have and login with an Adobe ID. After it went out of control and everybody started to download CS2, the site was temporary unavailable, I guess due to overstessing the servers. But when they had it sorted out and put it back, the need for an Adobe ID was removed. Everybody can download it now. So what is it then? It is free for download. It has to be said thou that restrictions apply: 1) No support. 2) Not upgradeable. 3) It is not explicitly provided as free by Adobe, even thou that is the result. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. No Key requested, just the serial number from the Adobe web site. Great! But... I don't get it. Adobe has built themselves such a crap reputation over the past few years. They've become synonymous with the phrase security vulnerability and their inability to fix other bugs and such... For Adobe to release this old software for free is a Very Good Thing. A wonderful thing! They should be blithering about this to the news media, patting themselves on the back. For once, Adobe does a Good Thing!! But nooo? They're denying it while doing it? Why would they do that? What has happened to their corporate culture that would cause this to happen? I just don't get it. What are you going to do to protest their bad decisions if you need an image editing program? What other program is there? That's why they let it happen. They can make bad decisions and you'll still buy their product, because it's ubiquitous. I will say that even with their crap reputation, though, they are at least semi-interested in rebuilding it. Offering CS6 as a subscription wound up being less of a PR black hole than originally predicted. Sure, it's got some annoying stuff with the licensing, but it's better than the licensing stuff they offered for CS5... Isaac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: That Thin Line
On Dec 30, 2012, at 9:33 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Dec 30, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Jim Scott wrote: You didn't say, but I'm guessing it's a 17 iMac. That particular form factor is notorious for LCD failure, which begins with one row of stuck pixels and progresses to the point where there are so many rows they can't be counted, Here's an alternative to throwing out a good Mac, HiRez screens too. http://www.realmacmods.com/uni4.html For $160 this seems a fine answer... fun project and I don;t throw the useful thing out ... except the old dead screen... (maybe I'll mail it back to Apple...!) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Shhh!! CS 2 Date:Wednesday, 09. January 2013 From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com But... I don't get it. Adobe has built themselves such a crap reputation over the past few years. They've become synonymous with the phrase security vulnerability and their inability to fix other bugs and such... For Adobe to release this old software for free is a Very Good Thing. A wonderful thing! They should be blithering about this to the news media, patting themselves on the back. For once, Adobe does a Good Thing!! But nooo? They're denying it while doing it? Why would they do that? What has happened to their corporate culture that would cause this to happen? I just don't get it. It was an accident. And, if you think it through, actually it’s quite bad: people will be using this “free” CS2 without further support. Malware will have an easy play using security holes in Acrobat 7 and 8, and the users will not receive security fixed because Acrobat 7/8 is now End-of-Life. That’s propably also one reason for Adobe to not shout it from the rooftops. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
Well, just went to: http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html To see what else was on the page, and it redirects to the main Creative Suite page, touting CS6. Maybe they ARE doing a silent take back. If you are smart or devious enough to find the released version of CS 2 on the net, you probably can find a newer version also. If you aren't, no harm, no foul, you can still buy the current version. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. No Key requested, just the serial number from the Adobe web site. Great! But... I don't get it. Adobe has built themselves such a crap reputation over the past few years. They've become synonymous with the phrase security vulnerability and their inability to fix other bugs and such… You mis-spoke slightly: Adobe Acrobat has built the company a crap reputation. There's a divide in Adobe between the creative apps (Photoshop, InDesign, Premiere, etc) and the business end (Acrobat). Go read some of John Welch's rants on Adobe over the years http://www.bynkii.com Also, when they decided that Flash was their sekrit weppin to kill Javascript and HTML5 and .Net and so built it into every damn thing they make, the ongoing hackfest that is Acrobat Reader started. Once upon a time a PDF file was a document. Now it's an executable, too…. For Adobe to release this old software for free is a Very Good Thing. A wonderful thing! They should be blithering about this to the news media, patting themselves on the back. For once, Adobe does a Good Thing!! But nooo? They're denying it while doing it? Why would they do that? What has happened to their corporate culture that would cause this to happen? I just don't get it. Scene: upper level meeting in San Jose: IT manager: Running those old authentication servers for ten-year-old software that doesn't run on any modern computers is costing us money. We should shut them down. Legal:We can't, if we shut those down, we will cause those customers to suddenly lose their working software. We'll be sued. IT Manager (under his breath): damn lawyers… OK, then we'll post the required authorization keys for CS2 owners to download. Legal :Works for me. IT Manager to underling: Legal has said go. Make it so, number one! Telephone chain down the line to Code Monkey #32. CM32: What? You want me to post CS2 online for download? Ooookay, its' ancient, who would want something like that? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
At 11:07 AM -0500 01/09/2013, Len Gerstel wrote: Once this was out in the wild, Adobe is (theoretically) smart enough to know that there are no take backs on the net. My thought is that while they might not admit the mistake, they are going to leave it up and hope for the drug dealer model. The first one is free... Yea. but... A simple blog posting that says oops, ok, well, enjoy folk's it's free! would generate good will that they could trade upon for a year or two! But n... right now they look like idiots that can't even competently do what they intended to do. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking the freebie. I'm downloading! I'm just astonished at the Defeat, snatched from the jaws of Victory aspect of this debacle and their total failure to fix it. Aside... I'm on FiOS 15/5 service. The CS2 download is currently pegging at 15.22 Mbps, on my QuickSilver. I think this is the first time in maybe a year I've had so few streams so easily peg my pipe. Good job Adobe! :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Isaac Smith smith...@sprynet.com wrote: What are you going to do to protest their bad decisions if you need an image editing program? What other program is there? Graphic Converter Gimp Pixelmator Acorn Seashore And those are just off the top of my head. Photoshop is the 800 pound gorilla of the bunch, but it's far, far from the only player in the game. The same holds true for any of Adobe's apps. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:16 PM -0800 01/08/2013, glen wrote: Just installed Illy CS2 on a this computer which is not my work computer with CS installed. No CS on this Mac and no problems. Which version of the CS2 package is this? Looks like there's xtra apps in the Premium, over the Standard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Suite Thx, - Dan. Looking at the install manual, it looks like the Standard. They mention a second Extras folder for the Premium installation. Also on the page was GoLive CS2 and Photoshop Elements, along with the pc versions of above along with Premiere Pro 2.0 for windows. Len hmmm, I wonder if the wayback machine scraped that page and is storing it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
At 11:34 AM -0500 01/09/2013, Len Gerstel wrote: hmmm, I wonder if the wayback machine scraped that page and is storing it? It's still working, not redirecting, for me. And I took a scrape with the s/n's. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Shhh!! CS 2
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Shhh!! CS 2 Date:Wednesday, 09. January 2013 From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 11:34 AM -0500 01/09/2013, Len Gerstel wrote: hmmm, I wonder if the wayback machine scraped that page and is storing it? It's still working, not redirecting, for me. And I took a scrape with the s/n's. - Dan. If you go from here, you’ll get to the download page for your language: http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html It seems to me, that Adobe has decided to keep it that way – with serial numbers. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
Just got a nice deal on a Mac Pro 3,1 (Early 2008) 2 x 3.0MHz with Intel Xeon 5400 series (Harpertown) processors. What type of testing might I run, to exercise the various parts? Is there an Apple Hardware Test or Service Diagnostics that I could get a hold of? I have run Geekbench, and am trying to compare the details of the results with others on the benchmark site, but its a bit tedious hunting down the data for comparison (still working on it). I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard (currently running 10.5.8), and hope to compare some results there as well. Basically want to know everything is working correctly. Suggestions welcomed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard Skip straight to Mountain Lion. Basically want to know everything is working correctly. First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
If you do get a new OS weather it be Snow Leopard or better do a total clean of the HD by erasing it first and if it takes the new OS without a problem you should be good to go!!! Also I would max out the memory too. I think this computer is maxed at 4G??? Not sure if it will take more??? -Original Message- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Sent: Jan 10, 2013 12:58 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard Skip straight to Mountain Lion. Basically want to know everything is working correctly. First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... “Choose love and peace above all other options. Commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its expressions, and surrender all judgment to God. --- Dr. David R. Hawkins -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
