Re: Spillage on keyboard - broken beyond repair?
The more modern the (Apple) keyboard, the harder it is to strip it down to clean it. If you have a glued together one, they want you to buy a new one and be more careful in future! That solution will certainly work. But in the real world, we grudge paying £50 or so for a keyboard. There are look-alike USB keyboards out there which will do the job and the Windoze key seems to map as an Apple key, although from memory non-Apple keyboards are not good for those special commands that you want to use in the boot sequence for single user mode and suchlike. Other group members can probably give informed knowledge about this. In the past it has been suggested that keyboards will generally survive careful treatment in a dishwasher, and this will often fix them. Somehow I don't think this technique would work that well on Andreas' model. I have one of those domestic small domestic steam cleaners, that puts out a jet of pressurised steam.I'm SPECULATING that this might be good for older keyboards, but the temperature might be too much for the components! Any of the group got any experience trying this? IN THEORY I reckon a jet of steam would give a very thorough flush, to remove dust and stickiness. The problem with sealed keyboards would be ensuring adequate drainage of the gunk and then ultimately, the clean condensed water, since you want to REMOVE the contaminants, rather than just MOVE-ing them around inside the keyboard. Perhaps an airline would help to remove bulk of undrained water before drying in a warm place for a couple of weeks? Possibly a discreetly and VERY CAREFULLY DRILLED drain hole underneath!? I don't own this style of keyboard, so I am not* au fait *as to this possibility! Thing is, it's probably borked anyway, so a reasonable subject for research! I wouldn't fancy the job of removing all keys, etc - (clear clean bench and floor, with retaining bunds, and a scan or photocopy of the keyboard placed on a tray before putting everything removed in its place on the paper might save anguish!) But a somewhat Sisyphean task to try one's patience to the utmost, and you'd have to test it very thoroughly before putting it back together, IN CASE you didn't get one vital key fixed. Clingfilm wrapping a keyboard is a quick-and-dirty way of protecting one if you HAVE to do something in a hostile environment! Good luck. Dan. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:42:55 PM UTC, Mac User #330250 wrote: Hi! Yesterday I spilled some juice all over my Apple Keyboard. It is the Aluminium USB version. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard#Apple_Keyboard_.28109_keys.29 It is model A1243 introduced in 2007; System requirements were back than Mac OS X 10.4.something; in the store it’s now 10.6.something… After unplugging it I washed it using water, but the juice was in so deep that I feared I won’t get it all out without enought water, so I put it under running water. I inverted it and allowed it to try for about 20 hours. I later found that 24 to 48 hours would have been better: http://guides.macrumors.com/Spilled_Liquid_On_My_Mac_or_Keyboard The good news: the built-in USB hub works. The bad news: the keyboard doesn’t. Not one keypress was recognized by the system. I tried to find a solution on YouTube, like how to open it, but I cannot find a good video that would help. Most videos deal with how to clean the individual keys rather than how to open it. Did I plug it in too early? Could it really be broken beyond repair? All suggestions are wellcome… Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD
Yes, just done some Googling.unfortunately none of my (4! - including one none-worker just bought for spares) Mirror Doors came with their restore CDsnothing on the Apple site in terms of downloads of this 'special' OS9. guess I'm gonna have to use one of the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE - a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic - Dan. On Apr 30, 5:58 am, Ken Daggett kadagg...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Apr 2012, at 21:30:28 PDT, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote: The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK. I also tried my iMac DV OS9 disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger am I missing something obvious here? --- I believe that the MDD requires a special version of OS9 (OS 9.2.2) that shipped with the machine. There ways around this that involve the boot ROM. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Getting OS9.1 onto MDD
I've just been playing with my dual 1.GHz MDD, currently with 512 memory (until I find my stock pile!). I want to set this up with a drive booting OS9 natively, and also to be able to use Classic in OSX Tiger. I partitioned an 80GB drive as 60/20, with a view to installing OS9 on one and Tiger on the other. I installed Tiger on the second partition successfully, and did the updates. I then put my OS9.1 cd in, and this loads, but clicking on either 'install' button tells me I already have OS 9.1 installed, and to update it to 9.2. It then tells me that the version of QuickTime is out of date and then says that Classic cannot update files in system Folder on Mac OS 9.1 because the disk is read only, Trying to install an app that requires Classic, on the Tiger partition tells me that Classic is NOT installed. So then I thought I'd try and install OS9 on a separate hard drive. Using the OS9 cd does not give me this option though from Tiger, and putting a Leopard drive in there also will not let me install OS9 onto the separate drive! So then I thought I'd try booting from cd with just the empty drive in..but after the bong I get nothing and nothing on the display either. I'm using Apple Display monitor on ADC connector, and I also plugged in a VGA monitor thru an adapter to the DVI connector but still no video, (just in case I was for some reason not getting video on the ADC monitor but ) So then I firewired my original iPod which has a copy of Tiger on it. This started up the MDD. I then copied the system folder from the CD onto the empty hard drive. In 'System Preferences' going to 'Startup disk' shows OS9 as a boot option. However selecting this as startup disc does not (as I really expected) boot OS9! As I've currently got the Leopard disc in there I can't check whether Classic will launch from the OS9 system folder but I suspect not. If I were to CCC the drive from my PDQ onto the empty drive in a firewire external box (since I have a PCMCIA FW card for the PDQ) would that then boot the MDD perhaps? The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK. I also tried my iMac DV OS9 disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger am I missing something obvious here? Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well tonight I decided to reinstall Tiger on the drive that the G5 shipped with, since I hadn't really done much with that in terms of installing software, having concentrated on the Leopard that I had put on the second HD and though the seller had done a clean and sensible install of OSX, I still prefer setting the OS myself. So I wiped the drive and installed Tiger from my install DVD. I then just went to software update and let that all happen and - after the usual multiple updates and restarts,, lo and behold - my internal firewire 400 ports were now working perfectly! So you were right Kris - it WAS a software issue! I shall now do the combined update on the Leopard drive and report back! I'm really pleased to have what is my second fastest Mac fully operational again. I got this G5 quite cheap because it had been dropped or fumblehanded and so its feet are a little bent and the lower fold sticks out a bit at the bottom rear under the access panel, so bidding on it was (as I had hoped!) not enthusiastic and I only had to pay £71 for it, and was able to collect from the seller, rather than having it shipped. So another nice little Low End Mac for the collection! As to Internet sharing - OK I've got a router somewhere that I've not got around to playing with yet, which is the obvious solution, but I find sharing my internet using fireWire has a certain appeal to the geek in me, and I've had success in the past with this, using my 1GHz G4 iMac for long Skype conversations with a friend while browsing on one of my eMacs. Cheers Kris - thanks for sharing your expertise. Dan. here's a prediction - I'm going to send this now and I'll probably get a message saying that the session has timed out and I need to resendand I'll do that and probably get a double post! Ok, it appears you are trying to share an internet connection from the MDD to the G5 via the FW800? I'm still thinking you've got a software issue regarding the FW400 because normally if the built-in were fried, the PCI cards would still function normally. After you add the PCI card, you have to open up System PreferenceNetwork so that the new Firewire network ports are recognized and added by the System into the network system software. Once they show up in Network Preferences Pane, then you can share an internet connection over them, but prior to being recognized and added in Network they'll be invisible and dead for Internet Sharing or any other TCP/IP over Firewire operations. further thought anyone? I'd reinstall those Combo Updates on both Macs, and see what happens. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well still no success with FW400 on the G5. Kris, I downloaded the update, but I'm somewhat loath to use it as I don't think it's an OS issue: I have both Tiger on the drive it came with, and Leopard on the SATA drive I put in. FW400 works in neither - if it worked in tiger but not Leopard then I would obviously try this. I recently found a cheap generic FW400 in a box so I've tried that in place of the Belkin FW400/800 card I had in there.. (I've used one of these cheapo PC FW cards before in my Macs and they work fine in G4's) and again it shows up in System Profiler as a firewire card with driver installed., but will not talk to anything, although it powers the device (Griffin FireWave again). I just tried launching the G5 in Target Disk mode. With the FireWave plugged in via adapter to the FW800 socket, and a FW400 cable from the FireWave to my MirrorDoor G4 running Leopard, the G5 does not show up as a Target. System Profiler on the MD sees it as an unknown device.with manufature as 'AAPL. I then restarted the G5 and its System Profiler sees the G4 as a Macintosh attached to the FireWave. I have internet sharing enabled on both machines but the G5 tells me straight away that I am not connected to the internet when I launch Software Update. However this could be a red herring, as I always seem to have to futz around to get this to work!) I have just tried FW800 cable connecting the two machines, and TDM works fine, using the G5 as Target. Curious! (but not unexpected, as this was how I originally installed Leopard on the G5. (Internet connection sharing still doesn't happen though. More futzing required for that I guess!) further thought anyone? Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well still no success with FW400 on the G5. Kris, I downloaded the update, but I'm somewhat loath to use it as I don't think it's an OS issue: I have both Tiger on the drive it came with, and Leopard on the SATA drive I put in. FW400 works in neither - if it worked in tiger but not Leopard then I would obviously try this. I recently found a cheap generic FW400 in a box so I've tried that in place of the Belkin FW400/800 card I had in there.. (I've used one of these cheapo PC FW cards before in my Macs and they work fine in G4's) and again it shows up in System Profiler as a firewire card with driver installed., but will not talk to anything, although it powers the device (Griffin FireWave again). I just tried launching the G5 in Target Disk mode. With the FireWave plugged in via adapter to the FW800 socket, and a FW400 cable from the FireWave to my MirrorDoor G4 running Leopard, the G5 does not show up as a Target. System Profiler on the MD sees it as an unknown device.with manufature as 'AAPL. I then restarted the G5 and its System Profiler sees the G4 as a Macintosh attached to the FireWave. I have internet sharing enabled on both machines but the G5 tells me straight away that I am not connected to the internet when I launch Software Update. However this could be a red herring, as I always seem to have to futz around to get this to work!) I have just tried FW800 cable connecting the two machines, and TDM works fine, using the G5 as Target. Curious! (but not unexpected, as this was how I originally installed Leopard on the G5. (Internet connection sharing still doesn't happen though. More futzing required for that I guess!) further thought anyone? Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. Hi Kris: Agreed, but I've still got power to my FW400's - just not data. I could understand if a fuse blows when a plug is mal-inserted - and I thought these fuses are designed to reset (?) - or does the short FUBAR the (FW chip?) so it will not send and receive data? The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. from the console log (since there isn't that much time to focus on and read the verbose boot!) I see the following message appearing twice kernel FireWire (OHCI) TI ID8025 PCI now active, GUID 000f2e011ee8;max speed s800 which I presume is once for the internal FW800, and then again for the PCI card I've just plugged my FireWave in, firstly to the onboard FW800 socket, and then to the PCI card, and it shows up in system profiler both times, and I've just plugged my FireWire speakers in to that and they work nicely.. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? I have tried safe boot and that hasn't resolved it. Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? I shall go to the Apple site and download it. BTW is it me or has the Apple site s l o w e ddow n since it's been supplying Lion online? When I was going through the update process on this machine, a file of a mere 80MB was coming down at what felt like dial-up speed, It's now telling me 29 minutes for 759MB. BTW aoplogies for the previous triple post - it was Google wot done it, I only sent it once! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. Hi Kris: Agreed, but I've still got power to my FW400's - just not data. I could understand if a fuse blows when a plug is mal-inserted - and I thought these fuses are designed to reset (?) - or does the short FUBAR the (FW chip?) so it will not send and receive data? The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. from the console log (since there isn't that much time to focus on and read the verbose boot!) I see the following message appearing twice kernel FireWire (OHCI) TI ID8025 PCI now active, GUID 000f2e011ee8;max speed s800 which I presume is once for the internal FW800, and then again for the PCI card I've just plugged my FireWave in, firstly to the onboard FW800 socket, and then to the PCI card, and it shows up in system profiler both times, and I've just plugged my FireWire speakers in to that and they work nicely.. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? I have tried safe boot and that hasn't resolved it. Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? I shall go to the Apple site and download it. BTW is it me or has the Apple site s l o w e ddow n since it's been supplying Lion online? When I was going through the update process on this machine, a file of a mere 80MB was coming down at what felt like dial-up speed, It's now telling me 29 minutes for 759MB. BTW aoplogies for the previous triple post - it was Google wot done it, I only sent it once! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Moribund G4 iBook - and will the DVD drive fit in my MacBook?
On Jul 27, 3:02 am, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote: I've been given an iBook G4 to look at. This was apparently working fine then 'died'. It is a 1.2GHz, with 256MB memory, 80GB hd and combo drive. Try an Open Firmware set immediately after pushing the power button: Hold down Command, Option, O and F (you may need to wait a good long while for the grey screen to come up). Hi Jim thanks for your quick reply. Tried this straight away - only getting round to replying now due to being at work etc! Whether the grey OF screen comes up or not, after a reasonable wait, type these three lines, hitting Return at the end of each: set-defaults (return) reset-nvram (return) reset-all (return) Nothing on screen, although once I caught a little grey flicker. After the third Return, the iBook may well chime and restart. If not, try the same procedure while putting some pressure on the case in the lower left corner of the keyboard (to see the video chip has broken solder joints). If after several attempts the screen doesn't light up or you get no chime, yep, the logic board's toast. But if you get a chime and hear hard drive activity, you may be looking at a broken LVDS or inverter cable, so wiggle the screen open and closed to see if that gets anything going. No change after trying this a couple of times. I haven't tried the 'pressure application' ye. I will try this tomorrow when I getr back from work.t A shame because the machine is in very nice condition - indeed a lot better than my very scruffy mid 2007 MacBook, which I got for a very good price due to the optical drive being dead! I use external FW drives with the MacBook, but does anyone know if the optical drive from the iBook is physically and electronically compatible with the MacBook one? I know I could just by a new optical but I'm a guy who likes recycling where possible. Nope, a MacBook requires a slim 9.5 mm optical drive, which means no drive from an iBook or PowerBook will fit. Been dere, done dat too. Sigh oh well thanks for answering that one! If I can't get it to go I'll see if she wants to sell the rather nice Power Siupply, which I assume will be OK for my two G3 Powerbooks.? I haven't put my multimeter across it yet, but it seems to be the same size chunky connector. All the best, Dan. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Moribund G4 iBook - and will the DVD drive fit in my MacBook?
I've been given an iBook G4 to look at. This was apparently working fine then 'died'. It is a 1.2GHz, with 256MB memory, 80GB hd and combo drive. When turned on there is no 'bong', and no illumination of the display (although when I tried it yesterday after removing the battery for 24 hours (saw this recommended on another forum!), there was background illumination visible (a lighter shade of dark grey!), but on turning off and starting again, the display again showed no sign of life. The battery seems to charge OK I tried resetting PRAM - but presumably since it doesn't POST and bong, it wouldn't recognise the keystrokes. It won't go into Target Disk Mode, presumably for the same reason. The caps lock LED illuminates, but I imagine that's just showing that the keyboard is getting power. Just for the heck of it I plugged my first gen iPod in to see if the OSX on there would kick start it. Also I plugged an external monitor in, and no video apparent on that. I'm kind of assuming that the logic board has just fallen over and died for whatever reason. A shame because the machine is in very nice condition - indeed a lot better than my very scruffy mid 2007 MacBook, which I got for a very good price due to the optical drive being dead! I use external FW drives with the MacBook, but does anyone know if the optical drive from the iBook is physically and electronically compatible with the MacBook one? I know I could just by a new optical but I'm a guy who likes recycling where possible. Look forward to all comments and suggestions. Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: jumper settings on optical drives
Interesting info thanks peterh... Just to close this thread, (although it seemed too have died anyway!) I was having a problem with the new DVD drive tray fouling the gap in the MDD case, (I had done all testing with the cage loose and accessible, and the MDD opened to the elements). As it was a one- piece tray it was a question of Dremelling it or the case (both of which I was loath to do). anyway got a DVD drive BNIB at a car boot sale on Sunday with a detachable tray front...installed that and now the 'eject' icon correctly shows both drives, and works properly (the new one is a Speedy H16X - shows generic drivers installed under Disk Burning in System Profiler). Not tried burning yet but it works perfectly now as a R1 DVD drive for my movies! It is jumpered as slave and the other as master. Dan On Feb 3, 3:56 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I did try drive 0 as slave and 1 as master - no change, also both as cable select - no difference. Is it perhaps a firmware issue, either with the G4 or the non-Apple drives perhaps? Early optical drives installed by Apple preferred Master, even though the optical cable is indeed of the Cable Select type. These drives would not work as Slave, just as the early Zips installed by Apple preferred Master, too, which is why the early Beige G3s had SCSI Zips, if the Zip option was chosen by the customer. Or, Apple ordered special versions of Zips which WOULD work as Slaves, until Iomega finally fixed their flawed drives. Today, drives are a commodity, and there is very little difference between them ... all are dual-layer burners and all will work properly as Master, Slave or Cable Select, as is required by the customer, and at the customer's sole option. The optical (and HD) bus cable is Cable Select for the simple reason that the firmware is using H-P's patented method of detecting the presence of a drive, detecting the drive's performance characteristics, and programming the host bus adapter appropriately. However, after POST, the machine does not use Cable Select, it uses Master and Slave. Interested readers can consult US Pat 6,523,071 for the details, which teaches how a specific drive can be placed into a reset state, interrogated, and the host bus adapter (the Mac itself, in this case) can be programmed to best handle the drive. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
jumper settings on optical drives
Hi Group: When I got my dual 1.2GHz MDD a few months ago, I found it had two optical drives fitted, although only the upper one was functional. Clicking the 'open drive' icon showed one drive: the button always opened the top one and sometimes the lower one would open too. As I had it out of service today to install my newly acquired SCSI card (and that's another story - showed up in Profiler but no OSX drivers available), I decided to replace the non-functioning drive. I removed the drive cage, and then I noticed that both drives were jumpered as 'Master'. Ahah! I thoughtthat's why drive 1 isn't working, so I jumpered it as slave and restarted the machine. And suddenly I had two DVD drives showing when I clicked on the open Drive button.and reacting individually.Great I thought, but drive 1 still wouldn't recognise any optical media I put in it. So pretty obviously borkedpossibly a non-operative laser...the drive is a Sony combo drive dated October 2003 so quite likely to have expired. Having an old DVD ROM that came out of my dead Sawtooth, I decided to try that. Jumpered as 'Slave' I fitted it and tried a reboot. No joy, and I no longer had two drives showing in the drive open button. But I did have another DVD ROM that I had bought BNIB from a thrift shop some months ago. That went in, showed up in System Profiler as a Lite-on DVD SHD - 16P1S rev. GS07, but again was not showing on the button, and I could only open it by pressing the 'open' button on the front of the drive. But when I put a DVD in I got the 'Assign Region Code screen, so that was set to R1, because I have quite a few of those, and since the machine has the 128MB GeForce Ti Graphics card (what a monster: straddles the PRAM battery and runs the length of the machine!) driving a 21 Mac CRT monitor, it's excellent for media (and I have a choice of MacPro speakers or LaCie Firewire speakers so it sounds OK too!). It plays perfectly, and will open by ejecting the disc from the Desktop. I watched my just-bought In the heat of the night (twice: second time with commentary - that's why I like R1 discs!): I then ripped it with Mac the Ripper, and that file plays absolutely perfectly with VLC. This new drive doesn't show in Disk utility either, but the other drive (TSST corp CD/DVDW TS-H552U rev. US06) does and (almost) always has worked fine. I don't know if it's relevant, but I got an unopened copy of iLife 08 last week, and the DVD of that would NOT mount on this machine (tried 3 or 4 times, including after a reboot - sounded like it was spinning up then down again: the iWork trial CD; also brand new, opened fine, as did two different movie DVD's) although this iLife DVDworked perfectly on my G4 iMac So any thoughts as to what may be going on here? I tried resetting PRAM on the off chanceI know clutching at a straw!...obviously no difference, and also tried a safe boot in case it was a cache issue: again zilch! Running 10.5.8 with 2GB memory, and two 160 GB hard drives, one original one new.. I did try drive 0 as slave and 1 as master - no change, also both as cable select - no difference. Is it perhaps a firmware issue, either with the G4 or the non-Apple drives perhaps? Hoping someone here has a solution to this little mystery. Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to test PRAM battery?
On Feb 2, 10:55 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011/02/02 15:53, J.M.P.Hissel so eloquently wrote: On 02-02-2011 21:14, Yersinia,yersi...@myfairpoint.net, wrote: and you buy a new one that tests good (with a voltmeter) No, a voltmeter is useless! You'll need a battery-tester (10/15 $/€ ?)! I believe Jo is correct. A voltmeter tests the voltage at no load, once a load is put on the battery the voltage will drop. A proper battery tester should give more accurate results. Tina -- Yes batteries do have a finite (though fairly long - i.e several years) shelf life (especially if kept somewhere cool), during which they can lose some of their available energy, due to internal discharge currents, and, though they will often test OK with a multimeter, when you put a load on them the voltage can drop significantly, especially if the load is drawing significant current. (like a filament bulb or a big radio). A PRAM battery is only supplying a few micro-amps when the computer is powered off - that's why they last for years - especially if that computer spends a lot of time on or sleeping - but since many batteries of we LEM'ers are using machines older than five years then original ones will be getting wheezy and breathless (metaphorically) - I bought 10 PRAM batteries at a good discount a year ago and have used about 6 in machines already (buying them one at a time is waaay too expensive). Those ten-for-2 dollars coin cells on a card can be a false economy too - they often don't last anything like as long as branded ones - bear in mind they are often produced where the duff leaky capacitors that plagued the 1.2GHz eMacs were made - and finally, yes I've had problems with multimeters giving false readings when THEIR batteries start to drop below 1.2 volts - really you need another multimeter to check your multimeter batteries ;)} I once tested two worn out batteries that 'read' 2volts each - until I tried them on another testmeter with good batteries and THEN they showed their true worth at 0.9 volts! Dan in Wales, UK -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: help, i'm going deaf!
Hi Jeff Daile. What have you got the Skype volume control set at? If it was set very low then you would have to turn up the system volume up to be able to hear Skype calls. I normally have my Skype volume control about halfway, and system volume about 3/4 and this works. HTH, Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: help, i'm going deaf!
Hi Jeff Daile. What have you got the Skype volume control set at? If it was set very low then you would have to turn up the system volume up to be able to hear Skype calls. I normally have my Skype volume control about halfway, and system volume about 3/4 and this works. HTH, Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I boot a quicksilver off an internal SCSI drive?
Hi Dana, Pleased to say you inspired me, so I just whipped the Atto UL2D SCSI card and the 80GB drive out of the old 733 QS tonight, and stuck it into the 933. Went ahead and tried a Leopard install from the Time Machine drive. Absolutely no problem at all, everything went tremendously smoothly, and Leopard seems to run nicely on the 933, so I now have the choice of Tiger or Leopard. Now I just need to find a way of permanently mounting the SCSI drive (which at the moment is perched under the DVD drive!). I have a drive cage from a Sawtooth, which has the housing for a Zip drive underneath, but I somehow doubt that this would be compatible with the QS case - although I've just looked in my 733 QS case and that HAS got the optical cage with the under case, so that's probably the way to go, especially since the 733 seems terminally unhappy. (This is the machine that requires multiple (100+!) reboots until it eventually stabilises, and then works fine until powered off - it powered itself off some months ago and I never got around to restarting it, and it was thrown/moved gently aside when the 933 arrived. I did post a thread about it but never got any definitive answers. I tried it the other night and it would get as far as a bong every few attempts, but I never got it to get any further this time. It used to eventually get to the desktop and then die, then it would run for a couple of minutes and die again, I had it set up to reboot on power off, which meant I could leave it sorting itself out for the hour it would usually take to stabilise, but in a moment of inspired madness I zapped the PRAM, so I was back to button pushing again! DUH! Guess I need ANOTHER QS so I can try a power supply swap to see if that's the problem). I suppose stage 3 is to slap my other little SCSI drive in there and see if I can get a working Linux distro on to that, but that can wait for another night! And at some point I have to get a new DOS/WINDOZE machine up and running so I can flash my 9200 graphics card to put in the QS (64MB Geforce MX is not really cutting it, although it's better than the 32MB it came with) - my main working PC (rarely used these days!) for some reason came without an AGP slot (I got it off a dumpster for free so I treated it to a 256MB PCI graphics card). THIS machine I got off ebay - someone had split it up to sell it - I was bidding on its Firewire card and I bid for the rest on a whim, since nobody else seemed interested and I got the whole machine w/o HD for £5. 5 year old PCs just don't hold their value like 5 year old Macs do they! :) Dan. On Dec 5, 7:52 pm, Dana Collins dlcatft...@frontier.com wrote: Hello Dan, I don't know if you received a response yet to this query, but perhaps I can share with you my experience to date. Afaik, as long as the issue involves PCI-based New World Macs (from the G3 smurfs to the earlier MDDs) and an OS no later than Tiger, booting off of a SCSI hosted drive is quite feasible, providing the firmware of the card in question supports it. In my case, I was always able to boot into OS X and OS 9 by using the Adaptec 2930CU/ card, which were OEM-provided for many a G3 unit that I worked on. The similarly designed 2930B card was mountable under OS X, but any drive attached to it was non-bootable (hence the CU vs. B designation was quite important). I am pretty sure there are other SCSI host cards made that do this (by Initio and Orange Micro), but I have not had experience with such. I will not say that your projected goal is not compatible with this card (i.e. Leopard, or Linux, or using a PCI-based G5), but I have no experiences with such scenarios to be able to speak of. Hope this helps somewhat. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Word list Generator???
On Dec 1, 6:36 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: So who are the Neal Stephenson fans on this thread ?? Is that the Neil Stephenson who wrote In the beginning was the command line? An excellent read! Well he did write Quicksilver ! :) Presumably NOT a book about a line of Macs, of which this machine is one (a 933 with 1.6GB memory that came with a rather nice M-Audio sound card - came without the breakout cable but I got one new from Avid - and seems to run fine on 10.4.11, although I haven't used it in creative anger yet - I know this is related to another thread so I will post further on THAT thread LOL) I DO find all the topics on thi list fascinating and informative BTW - it'ss great to be part of this supportive community. Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Word list Generator???
On Dec 1, 6:36 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: So who are the Neal Stephenson fans on this thread ?? Is that the Neil Stephenson who wrote In the beginning was the command line? An excellent read! Well he did write Quicksilver ! :) Presumably NOT a book about a line of Macs, of which this machine is one (a 933 with 1.6GB memory that came with a rather nice M-Audio sound card - came without the breakout cable but I got one new from Avid - and seems to run fine on 10.4.11, although I haven't used it in creative anger yet - I know this is related to another thread so I will post further on THAT thread LOL) I DO find all the topics on thi list fascinating and informative BTW - it'ss great to be part of this supportive community. Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can I boot a quicksilver off an internal SCSI drive?
My latest Quicksilver is a 933 G4 with 1.5GB memory, running 10.4.11. I've installed a 120GB first drive, along with another 120GB drive which was the Time Machine drive for the Leopard that came on its original 60 GB hard drive. I fancy transferring the SCSI card from my 733 QS along with its 80GB drive, with a view to either: installing Leopard on it, or putting a Linux on there. Is this feasible. I've done a quick Google without really getting anywhere, but on this list there are people who know this stuff! Dan (in ice-bound North Wales) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
On Aug 26, 4:48 am, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. That could be a problem for you. You could always just use another browser, like Opera or Konqueror (I have a love/hate relationship with Safari. Don't ask.) Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Yersinia yersi...@verizon.net wrote: Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? Well I used to use it all the time until about 9 months ago when it seemed to go very unstable (I can't remember which version). From memory it used to quite often hang when I tried to shut it down, so I had to use 'Force Quit', and also used to flag up an irritatingly twee message about having problems restoring previous tabs when re-opened, even when opening after a clean shutdown. As I recall, if I clicked on restore anyway it used to manage perfectly well, despite the faux angst, and restored my tabs without a problem! At the time a Mac and Hackintosh-using friend recommended Camino, and after a short learning curve I found it to be very stable (it has only crashed a couple of times) and has a very clean user interface and is smooth running. The only issue is a strange one, related to eBay. Occasionally if I click on an item to view it, I get a message from eBay saying that this listing has been restricted, either due to an issue relating to French perfume trademarks, or to US restrictions on military-related hardware (this is usually on listings for 2nd World War communications receivers - go figure!). Talking with my MacHack friend I mentioned this and he says he has occasionally noticed this problem but it only occurs with Camino, and having tried opening these 'blocked' listings in Firefox they open quite normally. He thinks that this is something in eBay, rather than a fault in Camino. But generally Camino is a great browser. FWIW on the odd occasions I use Firefox, (mostly to use downloadHelper for UTube videos), it seems stable and reliable these days, and on the odd occasion when I have to use a Windoze machine it beats the crap out of Internet Explorer, which I find clunky and nasty. I have tried Safari but I can't get enthusiastic about it, Dan. (sent from my trusty G4 iMac!) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
On Aug 26, 4:48 am, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. That could be a problem for you. You could always just use another browser, like Opera or Konqueror (I have a love/hate relationship with Safari. Don't ask.) Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Yersinia yersi...@verizon.net wrote: Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? Well I used to use it all the time until about 9 months ago when it seemed to go very unstable (I can't remember which version). From memory it used to quite often hang when I tried to shut it down, so I had to use 'Force Quit', and also used to flag up an irritatingly twee message about having problems restoring previous tabs when re-opened, even when opening after a clean shutdown. As I recall, if I clicked on restore anyway it used to manage perfectly well, despite the faux angst, and restored my tabs without a problem! At the time a Mac and Hackintosh-using friend recommended Camino, and after a short learning curve I found it to be very stable (it has only crashed a couple of times) and has a very clean user interface and is smooth running. The only issue is a strange one, related to eBay. Occasionally if I click on an item to view it, I get a message from eBay saying that this listing has been restricted, either due to an issue relating to French perfume trademarks, or to US restrictions on military-related hardware (this is usually on listings for 2nd World War communications receivers - go figure!). Talking with my MacHack friend I mentioned this and he says he has occasionally noticed this problem but it only occurs with Camino, and having tried opening these 'blocked' listings in Firefox they open quite normally. He thinks that this is something in eBay, rather than a fault in Camino. But generally Camino is a great browser. FWIW on the odd occasions I use Firefox, (mostly to use downloadHelper for UTube videos), it seems stable and reliable these days, and on the odd occasion when I have to use a Windoze machine it beats the crap out of Internet Explorer, which I find clunky and nasty. I have tried Safari but I can't get enthusiastic about it, Dan. (sent from my trusty G4 iMac!) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 video card compatibility
Eric Herbert wrote: The card will work in a Sawtooth, but it will NOT run an ADC monitor. The Gigabit and later models all have an extra power port just ahead of the AGP slot that supplies the 28V to the ADC port. You CAN however run an ADC-DVI adapter and have a DVI monitor connected. , Dennis Myhand wrote: I believe it will still work X 4. Hi good Listers all! Firstly my apologies for the quadruple 2nd message posting - as I explained to (ListNanny) Fabian (who very reasonably asked why I had posted the same message four times in one minute!), it was nowise deliberate - I have seen the occasional 'double post' in Forum messages before so I don't think it's just me! - I think (!?) it double posted and then I think I reloaded the page(?) or possibly clicked on 'reply' rather than 'send' - and it double posted AGAIN. Embarassing - however... .I don't know but I will VERY CAREFULLY click send ONCE and the number of the clicking shall be one - not two - and hopefully it will be alright! Anyway, thanks Dennis and Eric, both 'right' although Eric's is a fuller 'right'! I thought the Sawtooth wouldn't be able to supply the 28 Volts for the ADC, and I suppose the DA's video card would logically be quite happy to supply video to the VGA socket, instead of via the ADC (dual screen not being supported (?) Guess I need to try and resurrect the DA (which, from memory - I got it in a job lot with a G3 iMac, booted once and then refused to boot again!) I had a brief play before I took the video card out - but didn't get a bong - just fans working - so some of the power supply is working - not been in there with a testmeter yet. Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 video card compatibility
I've just got a 400MHz Sawtooth which has the VGA/DVI video card fitted. It works fine, but I'd like to swap the video card for the one out of my (dead!) 450 MHz Sawtooth, as I want the Sawtooth to talk to an ADC monitor. (I may be buying one, but need to test it as working so I need to take a computer along. Can't take my Quicksilver as it will sulk if I turn it off for too long and will embarass me!) Is this possible, or does the later motherboard have the AGP slot wired differently to provide the 28volts for the ADC? Running OS 9.21 and OSX 10.4.11 on the Sawtooth. Thanks group! Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 video card compatibility
Sorry just got the magnifying glass out and this ADC card is from a 466 MHz Digital Audio, not a Sawtooth! On Jul 12, 3:05 am, Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just got a 400MHz Sawtooth which has the VGA/DVI video card fitted. It works fine, but I'd like to swap the video card for the one out of my (dead!) 450 MHz Sawtooth, as I want the Sawtooth to talk to an ADC monitor. (I may be buying one, but need to test it as working so I need to take a computer along. Can't take my Quicksilver as it will sulk if I turn it off for too long and will embarass me!) Is this possible, or does the later motherboard have the AGP slot wired differently to provide the 28volts for the ADC? Running OS 9.21 and OSX 10.4.11 on the Sawtooth. Thanks group! Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 video card compatibility
Sorry just got the magnifying glass out and this ADC card is from a 466 MHz Digital Audio, not a Sawtooth! On Jul 12, 3:05 am, Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just got a 400MHz Sawtooth which has the VGA/DVI video card fitted. It works fine, but I'd like to swap the video card for the one out of my (dead!) 450 MHz Sawtooth, as I want the Sawtooth to talk to an ADC monitor. (I may be buying one, but need to test it as working so I need to take a computer along. Can't take my Quicksilver as it will sulk if I turn it off for too long and will embarass me!) Is this possible, or does the later motherboard have the AGP slot wired differently to provide the 28volts for the ADC? Running OS 9.21 and OSX 10.4.11 on the Sawtooth. Thanks group! Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 video card compatibility
Sorry just got the magnifying glass out and this ADC card is from a 466 MHz Digital Audio, not a Sawtooth! On Jul 12, 3:05 am, Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just got a 400MHz Sawtooth which has the VGA/DVI video card fitted. It works fine, but I'd like to swap the video card for the one out of my (dead!) 450 MHz Sawtooth, as I want the Sawtooth to talk to an ADC monitor. (I may be buying one, but need to test it as working so I need to take a computer along. Can't take my Quicksilver as it will sulk if I turn it off for too long and will embarass me!) Is this possible, or does the later motherboard have the AGP slot wired differently to provide the 28volts for the ADC? Running OS 9.21 and OSX 10.4.11 on the Sawtooth. Thanks group! Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 video card compatibility
Sorry just got the magnifying glass out and this ADC card is from a 466 MHz Digital Audio, not a Sawtooth! On Jul 12, 3:05 am, Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just got a 400MHz Sawtooth which has the VGA/DVI video card fitted. It works fine, but I'd like to swap the video card for the one out of my (dead!) 450 MHz Sawtooth, as I want the Sawtooth to talk to an ADC monitor. (I may be buying one, but need to test it as working so I need to take a computer along. Can't take my Quicksilver as it will sulk if I turn it off for too long and will embarass me!) Is this possible, or does the later motherboard have the AGP slot wired differently to provide the 28volts for the ADC? Running OS 9.21 and OSX 10.4.11 on the Sawtooth. Thanks group! Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode
Hi LISTERS, WELL Thanks for all helpful suggestions so far HD is a 40GB Seagate ST340014A, presumably the original. At present there is no jumper on the back so I assume that's running as Cable Select? I know about jumpering HD's from my days on the Dark Side, but since most of my Macs are all-in-ones, I've always used external FW drives and USB memory sticks, so I'm not yet up to speed on the Mac way. If I wanted to add another HD would I have to jumper them as Master and slave or would leaving them as cable select work? Ive got a brand new 40GB drive that was destined for one of the iMacs, so I may as well clone the working system over to that - however the QS is still being a bit pernickety! It has been running fine and not powering down, and seemed to have settled. However it has somehow evoked Murphy...and yesterday it took about 50 tries before it went stable. initially the fans will come on and then it will die immediately. After about twenty of these it will start to bong and then sometimes gets halfway through boot before dying! After more retries it will boot OSX and then stay stable for a couple of minutes, - I invoked Disk utility and did a Repair permissions , and it fixed quite a lot, and then fell over again! I left it running yesterday when I went to work and came back today to find it had fallen over again. It's now running stable (touch wood!) after about five boots. I have tried booting in Safe mode: in the early stages of the multi- boot routine this seems to make no difference - it's just as flaky! However it seems to not always 'see' the shift key, when I am booting it, so booting into safe mode seems hit-and-miss! This is with both my Lindy keyboard or with my Mac Pro keyboard, which I've currently got plugged in. Processor heatsink just feels warm to the touch, so I don't think it's a heat issue, and I'm loath to reseat the processor just FTHOI. HD not showing any SmartDrive problems. As I write this it's been up and running for about 25 minutes and I've just installed Onyx. I'm going to settle down with a cup of tea and read the system logs for today and see if I can find any clues there. Keep those helpful thought coming in people! Regards, Dan. On Apr 1, 7:06 am, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: and drive 1 has 3 partitons. A 20GB partition, and (2) 10GB partitons. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode
Hi LISTERS, WELL Thanks for all helpful suggestions so far HD is a 40GB Seagate ST340014A, presumably the original. At present there is no jumper on the back so I assume that's running as Cable Select? I know about jumpering HD's from my days on the Dark Side, but since most of my Macs are all-in-ones, I've always used external FW drives and USB memory sticks, so I'm not yet up to speed on the Mac way. If I wanted to add another HD would I have to jumper them as Master and slave or would leaving them as cable select work? Ive got a brand new 40GB drive that was destined for one of the iMacs, so I may as well clone the working system over to that - however the QS is still being a bit pernickety! It has been running fine and not powering down, and seemed to have settled. However it has somehow evoked Murphy...and yesterday it took about 50 tries before it went stable. initially the fans will come on and then it will die immediately. After about twenty of these it will start to bong and then sometimes gets halfway through boot before dying! After more retries it will boot OSX and then stay stable for a couple of minutes, - I invoked Disk utility and did a Repair permissions , and it fixed quite a lot, and then fell over again! I left it running yesterday when I went to work and came back today to find it had fallen over again. It's now running stable (touch wood!) after about five boots. I have tried booting in Safe mode: in the early stages of the multi- boot routine this seems to make no difference - it's just as flaky! However it seems to not always 'see' the shift key, when I am booting it, so booting into safe mode seems hit-and-miss! This is with both my Lindy keyboard or with my Mac Pro keyboard, which I've currently got plugged in. Processor heatsink just feels warm to the touch, so I don't think it's a heat issue, and I'm loath to reseat the processor just FTHOI. HD not showing any SmartDrive problems. As I write this it's been up and running for about 25 minutes and I've just installed Onyx. I'm going to settle down with a cup of tea and read the system logs for today and see if I can find any clues there. Keep those helpful thought coming in people! Regards, Dan. On Apr 1, 7:06 am, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: and drive 1 has 3 partitons. A 20GB partition, and (2) 10GB partitons. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode
Recently got a 733MHz Quicksilver, which initially was unwilling to boot at all, although I had seen it working, when I bought it. After fitting new PRAM battery and CUDA update, it would initially start to boot and then turn off. It gradually started getting further along until it would boot into OSX and then turn off immediately.. Eventually I had it running with no problems, did all software updates and it ran happily for a couple of days. I then turned it off and came back to it after another couple of days, and again it wouldn't start, although after about twenty tries it booted all the way and ran fine. It now seems fine , starts first time and runs with no problems. ( running 10.4.11 with 768MB memory BTW) . I have added a USB2 card and a SCSI card both of which it recognised immediately, and replaced the optical drive with a DVD burner which works OK. However if I try starting it in Target Disk Mode it immediately turns off!. I have tried doing this from system preferences, and by pressing T when starting, with the same result. The firewire bus seems fine: I have surfed with it by sharing my connection with my G4 iMac over a FW lead with no problems and also used an external FW DVD drive, before I changed the optical. Does this G4 support TDM? IIRC some of the G3 powermacs didn't? Regards, Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: 1.25 eMac running in safe mode.
Well tonight I tried this fix, proposed by Sri and IT WORKS BY GAD! Any users of British keyboards will find the backtick ` next to the letter Z on the keyboard BTW. The eMac now starts fine, and runs well. I tried looking at a WMV file using VLC and it runs but doesn't show any video, so I guess that needs the Radeon chip to be active. Quicktime however seems to work OK on Quicktime files. Youtube seems to run adequately, even in full screen mode. DVD player however doesn't work, saying that A valid video device could not be found for playback [-70017] I also tried a video CD (remember those?) which will play in VLC but again no video. I will encourage my efriend to overcome her technofear and see how it works for her. Thanks again Sri for sharing this with us. Dan. I had this same problem on a 1.25ghz G4 emac. The bad caps are on a circuit that connects to the Radeon chip, and it's only when the Radeon chip is active that you get the errors and random freezes. (It gets worse once the chip heats up, which is why you can generally use it for 5-10 minutes after a cold boot but see it freeze a lot faster on a reboot.) When you're in safe mode, OS X emulates all graphic functions in software; since the Radeon chip doesn't get activated, the eMac works fine. If you don't want to de/resolder the caps on the logic board, the quick fix (that I used for YEARS) is as follows: Boot to Single User Mode (hold down Command-S while booting) run the following commands: (return after each line) -- fsck -ay mount -uw / cd /System/Library/Extensions/ tar cvf ATI.tar `ls|grep ATI` rm -rf `ls|grep ATI` reboot -- (Double check when you run these, the tar and rm lines have backticks, the key to the left of 1, not apostrophes!) What this does is archive and delete the kernel extensions that initialize and load Radeon chip support into OS X. Without those support extensions, OS X goes to a fallback mode and emulates video functions in software (just like safe mode). This is notably slower, but since it never uses the Radeon chip it should be completely stable. You have to re run those commands every time you install an update (OS X will notice the extensions are missing and replace them). Hope this is helpful. I came up with this as an interim measure and ended up leaving it that way for two years. :) -sri -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: 1.25 eMac running in safe mode.
Hi Sri... That's really useful information you give me there - I was wondering why the beast is so docile in safe mode, when it totally hangs in normal boot! I shall definitely play with this when I've cleared a little space on the bench for it: it's been put out of the way for now (man are those things heavy to lift around!) (Also I'm currently wrestling with the Quicksilver I added to the fleet last weekend - this runs fine but when it is turned off it sulks and takes an awful lot of button presses before it gets further than a bong and an instant shutdown - I will be starting a separate thread for this LOL!) I shall also pass these details on to the person mentioned in the OP, she may wish to try this too, since she (like me) doesn't like throwing usable kit away! Although, as I mentioned, I bought this eMac with the intention of parting it out. (which will eventually happen - I have 7 emacs altogether: one has a faulty IVAD cable, one is totally dead AFAIK, one is on loan to a friend, one is dedicated to playing R! DVD's, and the other three are fully functional, including a 1.42 that is my second-fastest Mac!) , . I like the idea of being able to use this one with relatively full functionality just to see how it copes! I will report back when I've done this. All the best, Dan. On Mar 16, 6:55 pm, Sri srigu...@tulanealumni.net wrote: Hi Dan, I had this same problem on a 1.25ghz G4 emac. The bad caps are on a circuit that connects to the Radeon chip, and it's only when the Radeon chip is active that you get the errors and random freezes. (It gets worse once the chip heats up, which is why you can generally use it for 5-10 minutes after a cold boot but see it freeze a lot faster on a reboot.) When you're in safe mode, OS X emulates all graphic functions in software; since the Radeon chip doesn't get activated, the eMac works fine. If you don't want to de/resolder the caps on the logic board, the quick fix (that I used for YEARS) is as follows: Boot to Single User Mode (hold down Command-S while booting) run the following commands: (return after each line) -- fsck -ay mount -uw / cd /System/Library/Extensions/ tar cvf ATI.tar `ls|grep ATI` rm -rf `ls|grep ATI` reboot -- (Double check when you run these, the tar and rm lines have backticks, the key to the left of 1, not apostrophes!) What this does is archive and delete the kernel extensions that initialize and load Radeon chip support into OS X. Without those support extensions, OS X goes to a fallback mode and emulates video functions in software (just like safe mode). This is notably slower, but since it never uses the Radeon chip it should be completely stable. You have to re run those commands every time you install an update (OS X will notice the extensions are missing and replace them). Hope this is helpful. I came up with this as an interim measure and ended up leaving it that way for two years. :) -sri On Mar 3, 8:19 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: 1.25 eMac running in safe mode.
Does it pass AHT? Well I finally ran to earth my Apple Hardware test disc for eMac. Unfortunately the eMac it came with was a 1GHz or earlier (SW version 1.2.2s/n 691-4177-A) so when I restarted with the CD it said that it could not run and offered me a restart. So no further on. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1.25 eMac running in safe mode.
Does it pass AHT? Well I finally ran to earth my Apple Hardware test disc for eMac. Unfortunately the eMac it came with was a 1GHz or earlier (SW version 1.2.2s/n 691-4177-A) so when I restarted with the CD it said that it could not run and offered me a restart. So no further on. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
