Re: Dead processor?
Now, the Dual 1.0 GHz from the top-of-the-line Quicksilver 2002 is said to work without problems in the original Quicksilver from 2001. At least a lot of people have had no problems with such an “upgrade”. I finally found a statement that the processor should be compatible with an original Quicksilver. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Apple/AGPQS2X1000/ […] I’m still waiting for users telling me it didn’t work out for them. Haven't found that so far. BTW, I was wrong. The original Dual 800 MHz processor module has 7450 PowerPC cores on in, whereas the Dual 1 GHz processor module features 7455 PowerPC processors. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
Can anyone confirm for me /again/ that the Dual 1 GHz module will work (has worked for them) in an original Quicksilver from 2001? Thanks so much, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
Now, the Dual 1.0 GHz from the top-of-the-line Quicksilver 2002 is said to work without problems in the original Quicksilver from 2001. At least a lot of people have had no problems with such an “upgrade”. QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz processors work without modification in a QS 2001 of any type. QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz processors, or QS 2002 single processors also can work in a Digital Audio. You MUST transport the original heat sink and fan unit, and you MUST construct an auxiliary power cable, which provides +12 volts to the extra screw hole on the QS processor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Dead processor? Date:Wednesday, 22. June 2011 From:peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz processors work without modification in a QS 2001 of any type. Thanks. The seller is telling me that the processor module is not compatible with my Quicksilver. So I bought something that doesn't work and it is my fault, because I don't have compatible hardware. This wouldn't be a problem for me per se. I'd just say, “what was I thinking…” and go on with my life. Everybody makes mistakes sometimes. (Or, as Forrest Gump said once: “Shit happens!”) No problem with that. But I honestly believe that this is just a way for the seller to avoid having to act, and take any sellers responsibility (if any applies) due to a broken item. I now have to find a Quicksilver 2002… for proving that the processor is either working or broken. This will hopefully end with me saying “quod erat demonstrandum” (Q.E.D.) This is going to be some quest... to know, what really is and was with this processor module! Thanks for your help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz processors work without modification in a QS 2001 of any type. Thanks. The seller is telling me that the processor module is not compatible with my Quicksilver. So I bought something that doesn't work and it is my fault, because I don't have compatible hardware. 100 MHz bus processors are compatible with other 100 MHz bus processors because these use the same socket and the same powering arrangement. The 133 MHz bus processors are different. ANY DA processor, single or dual uses only the socket for ALL its signals and power. This is the same socket as the 100 MHz bus processors, but because the physical position is different, there can be no mechanical interchangeability. Any QS processor, single or dual, uses BOTH the socket AND an additional terminal for power. DA processors are incompatible with QS machines. QS processors are conditionally compatible with DA machines PROVIDED a secondary source of +12 volts is provided to the processor card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Dead processor? Date:Wednesday, 22. June 2011 From:peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com ANY DA processor, single or dual uses only the socket for ALL its signals and power. This is the same socket as the 100 MHz bus processors, but because the physical position is different, there can be no mechanical interchangeability. With the required soldering for the correct bus:processor speed ratio any SINGLE 7410+ processor should work on any AGP to QS2002 system board. Like here, a DA single processor on an AGP system board (100 MHz bus): http://xlr8yourmac.com/systems/DA_CPU_in_Sawtooth/DA_CPU_mods.html The 7400 doesn't support 100 MHz bus speeds. At least all the third party upgrade cards simply set the correct jumpers for the bus speed and work on all the G4 Power Macs from the AGP to the QS2002. The DUAL modules are incompatible due to physical limitations – they simply don't fit in. Any QS processor, single or dual, uses BOTH the socket AND an additional terminal for power. DA processors are incompatible with QS machines. I've heard that it was possible to take a single 733 MHz processor module from a DA and use it in a QS replacing the original single 733 MHz G4, because the QS version lacks L3 cache, whereas the DA version doesn't and is therefor faster. Not true? QS processors are conditionally compatible with DA machines PROVIDED a secondary source of +12 volts is provided to the processor card. I heard that too – but with a QS processor in an AGP/GE. The original site has gone, but it has been crawled by the Way Back Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20090505190332/http://homepage.mac.com/josephk/G4_mod.html The difference from the DA to the QS seems to be only the additional 12v line. Thanks for your help, Andreas aka Mac USer #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
Okay, I checked. My Quicksilver has firmware version 4.2.5f1 (referred to as “Boot-ROM version”). Same in Mac OS 9.2. So, I should download Apple Firmware 4.2.8 Update? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1126?viewlocale=en_US I tried it, but it is telling me this: “This version of the Power Mac G4 firmware updater is for specific Power Mac G4 models only and will not run on this computer.” So, I cannot even update the firmware! Or did I get the wrong updater? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Dead processor? Date:Sunday, 19. June 2011 From:peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Thee raw board is the same between the dual 800 MHz and the dual 1.0 GHz. The voltage regulators, and some other parts, are completely different. The pads which are empty on the 800 MHz are filled on the 1.0 GHz, and vice versa. Yes, that also what I saw. But the board is otherwise very similar. It makes sense that some parts like resistors and voltage regulators are different. Do you know how to update the firmware on a Quicksilver? Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Dead processor? Date:Sunday, 19. June 2011 From:admin oneluc...@mac.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Don't know which processors are compatible, and probably mentioned or tried, but at least reset PRAM and press down PMU (??) button for new processors. Also, take out battery for 15 minutes and replace. I did all that. Thanks. I removed the battery for 10 minutes, I pressed the button next to the battery (PMU button) and I reset the PRAM (with the old processor installed and by holding Cmd-Opt-P-R) but the new processor does nothing. No chime. No PRAM zapping, no Open Firmware command prompt (Cmd-Opt- O-F). Anyway, thanks. I'll keep trying, until I finally give up and accept that the processor module is really dead. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Dead processor? Date:Monday, 20. June 2011 From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Andreas, I'm no hardware expert but, even if some (or just ONE) hardware part is different, it might very well be the reason the processor doesn't work... and NOT because it's dead (like you are speculating). Might be. But since a lot of people have been successful with this specific processor upgrade, I doupt that it’s just my Mac that keeps it from running. This very Mac has run a couple of processors successfully: 1) PPC 7450 733 MHz (the lame version with no L3 cache) 2) PPC 7455B 1.4-1.467 MHz (OWC Mercury Extreme G4 1.4 GHz) 3) Dual PPC 7450 800 MHz (from top-of-the-line Quicksilver, 2001) All of them worked well. Now, the Dual 1.0 GHz from the top-of-the-line Quicksilver 2002 is said to work without problems in the original Quicksilver from 2001. At least a lot of people have had no problems with such an “upgrade”. …by now I really suspect that the processor module is simply broken… :-( It's not like a nail, that you can push it down eventually, even if it's not the right size. ;-) I know. But it’s not like it’s a different size of nail. It really should “fit”. I think you better investigate about the new processor compatibility. Putting it into the wrong Mac could even be dangerous to it. That’s what I was doing beforehand in this forum and on the internet. But, yeah, I’m still waiting for users telling me it didn’t work out for them. Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
Don't know which processors are compatible, and probably mentioned or tried, but at least reset PRAM and press down PMU (??) button for new processors. Also, take out battery for 15 minutes and replace. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
I'll give it a try. What bothers me is that this Quicksilver is running a dual 800 MHz processor module quite fine. The Dual-800 uses 7450 aka G4e processors, the very same are used in the dual 1 GHz processor module. Except for the additions 2x 200 MHz I cannot see a formal difference there. Thee raw board is the same between the dual 800 MHz and the dual 1.0 GHz. The voltage regulators, and some other parts, are completely different. The pads which are empty on the 800 MHz are filled on the 1.0 GHz, and vice versa. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Dead processor?
Hi! I just received a used (but sold as tested and working) Dual 1 GHz G4 processor module from a Quicksilver 2002. I've put it into my Quicksilver (2001 i.e. original version) and it does not boot. No chime. Nothing. If I put the Dual 800 Mhz module in it works; everytime. Chime. Boots into Mac OS X Tiger and Gentoo Linux nicely. I tried seating the “new” dual 1 GHz modile firmly, five times so far, and thought it may be some connection problem. After the third time I found one of the pins on the connector of the module to be slightly bent. I corrected that. But so far there is no success. What else can there possibly go wrong? What else could I try? Is the PSU of a 733 single Quicksilver (that's what it originally was) any different to a Dual Quicksilver 2002? May it be a power problem? On which screw connection is the additional power line? Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: I tried seating the “new” dual 1 GHz modile firmly, five times so far, and thought it may be some connection problem. After the third time I found one of the pins on the connector of the module to be slightly bent. I corrected that. But so far there is no success. What else can there possibly go wrong? What else could I try? Check for firmware updates? I had to do that on my GigEthernet when I put in a 1Ghz update. -- Bruce Johnson UA College of Pharmacy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
