Radeon 9600 Pro not detected in G4 DA, any way to fix?
I just got an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro off eBay, and it’s having some trouble working with my Power Mac G4 Digital Audio. I taped pins 3 & 11 to make the card work at 4x, but I still get a black screen. I am able to VNC into the Mac, so I checked System Profiler, which says that no cards are present. I’ve looked around and found that some cards have an incompatible ROM, though I think it only affects display output and not detection. I already have Graphiccelerator to flash it as well as a version 120 ROM, but I can’t do anything with them without seeing the card on the system. I don’t have access to any other desktop systems, so I can’t use a compatible Mac to flash it, though I do have Linux installed, so that might be able to see and flash it. Any ideas? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Fastest way to run OS9 apps?
Which would be faster: A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic? -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fastest way to run OS9 apps?
A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic? Depends on the app. Arguably the quad (I assume you mean) G5 will be faster at raw computational speed even in Classic, but the G4 will be faster with screen repainting because it doesn't have the rest of the interface to worry about and isn't being preempted. As a practical example, Classilla's JavaScript benchmarks are faster when I run it in Classic on the quad G5, but it is much more responsive on the MDD in 9.2.2. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Merci d'eviter le Top posting -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fastest way to run OS9 apps?
On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: Which would be faster: A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic? Depends on the app. Might be a maxed out Intel PowerMac running Sheepshaver But generally the rule of thumb is if it needs direct access to the hardware, it needs to boot in 9 So those apps would run best on a G4. Otherwise the G5 is the way to go. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On 05/03/2012 09:50, James E. Therrault mjrtas...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the ancient computer days, I had a H/P Deskwriter that only had CMY (single cartridge) and it was the cat's butt then. Color work was not brilliant but I never had a bit of trouble with it. Later, I upgraded to a newer CMYK unit and it gave me nothing but grief! So much so that I vowed to never use another H/P product ever. And I haven't. In theory, CMY should produce perfect colors including black and it does so in traditional subtractive photographic processes just as RGB works in the additive processes. But it does not in the print process where every color media needs a black kicker to really make it work. JT (Who remembers many years in the photography and printing biz...) I wonder if you've got me beat? I have 46 years in the photo/printing biz from an apprentice at 16 through letterpress (Heidelbergs and Glockners), Litho (Heidelbergs and Fuji) to densitometer controlled limited edition printing for the Fine Art Trade Guild. Switched to prepress and management with Dainippon galley cameras, drum scanners and final film planning - then switched to study with an MA (now an MSc) in Digital Imaging at the London Institute. I also had a Deskwriter - a 510 model with black only and upgraded that to an A3 Epson 1200 with 6 colour printing. The subtractive CMY model in photography is not comparable with the CMYK print process as it uses continuous tone and specially coated materials to give it a much wider gamut of colours - print processes use plain paper and the tones have to be generated by dots to fool the human eye. Also the CMY inks for printing were never really perfected due to the wide choice and quality of papers and methods like gravure and web and the difficulty of printing heavy wet on wet areas - drying time was a big bug to printers thus the 100% black with maybe a ?% tint of C, M or Y or all three to produce a 'rich black'. I've never come across a CMY inkjet printer but obviously they must exist if you had one - they perhaps didn't last long as less colours seem to contribute less to the final image in inkjet even with the coated paper. Epson have some models which utilise 2 greys and black to produce better quality monochrome - not unusual as high quality BW printing of photographic books also used duotone and tritone. If only I could justify buying one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
Il giorno 5-03-2012 9:01, Peter Devlin ha scritto: In colour mode all the printers I have come across use the CMYK colorspace to print - the K is the generated black - and all the cartridges are used. I have never seen or heard of one which uses CMY only to print in color. Some cheaper printers have just a CMY cartridge, so the black is always created by blending the colours together. Nasty. ;-) I don't know if they're still produced, but my father bought such a printer (Canon) many years ago. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 5-03-2012 9:01, Peter Devlin ha scritto: In colour mode all the printers I have come across use the CMYK colorspace to print - the K is the generated black - and all the cartridges are used. I have never seen or heard of one which uses CMY only to print in color. Some cheaper printers have just a CMY cartridge, so the black is always created by blending the colours together. Nasty. ;-) I don't know if they're still produced, but my father bought such a printer (Canon) many years ago. Back in the ancient computer days, I had a H/P Deskwriter that only had CMY (single cartridge) and it was the cat's butt then. Color work was not brilliant but I never had a bit of trouble with it. Later, I upgraded to a newer CMYK unit and it gave me nothing but grief! So much so that I vowed to never use another H/P product ever. And I haven't. In theory, CMY should produce perfect colors including black and it does so in traditional subtractive photographic processes just as RGB works in the additive processes. But it does not in the print process where every color media needs a black kicker to really make it work. JT (Who remembers many years in the photography and printing biz...) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
What program are you trying to get the halftone image to print from? Photoshop on it's own has some capabilities in this area, and if you are going to do a lot of images, and or you want more control on the finished look, you might consider Andromeda's Screens filter/plug-in for Photoshop, it gives you a great deal of control on the size of the halftone dots, the pattern, the threshold level, and more. The filter is great, but it's not cheap. From: Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW Il giorno 5-03-2012 9:01, Peter Devlin ha scritto: In colour mode all the printers I have come across use the CMYK colorspace to print - the K is the generated black - and all the cartridges are used. I have never seen or heard of one which uses CMY only to print in color. Some cheaper printers have just a CMY cartridge, so the black is always created by blending the colours together. Nasty. ;-) I don't know if they're still produced, but my father bought such a printer (Canon) many years ago. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
FIRST let me thank all who replied both on list and off list. I will look in to the several suggestions as soon as I can, but I did want to get this out: Yes, my hp printer C-4180 All in one, does have a GREY-SCALE selection, and I did experiment with it long ago using a color pix and expecting it would print in-- what else-- Grey scales of some 256 shades, but NO, it printed in all black or all white the very reason I have appealed to the list for assistance. BTW: I do NOT find any instruction in HELP to print in BW! So as I say, I gave it up. To Santa, was the sample you sent me printed using ONLY THE BLACK INK CART? I bet it was all colors making fake black -- HOW DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE? You do know that if you print using all three colors you get FAKE BLACK! In my case, the color cart is DOA, dry as a rock, maybe that should be DAR, BUT IT has to be in the printer to get the Black cart to work. JML --- On Fri, 3/2/12, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com Subject: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW To: G3 G5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 5:12 PM From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. Any ideeas I do NOT have photoshop. A site letting me up load the pix and dl it back in halftone would work just fine. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On 04/03/2012 03:03, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: You do know that if you print using all three colors you get FAKE BLACK! I am not very sure what you mean there - RGB images like those viewed on a computer have no black at all - black is not in the spectrum. It's only when images are sent to print that a black is generated by the conversion to CMYK. The appearance of black in RGB has the channel levels 0.0.0 whilst white is 256.256.256 levels of RGB. Black is added because when printing 100% of CMY is not only a poor effort at black it is also a serious waste of colour ink when a solid black will look better - thus UCR was developed. Basically - unless you are working in CMYK there never is a genuine black... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
At 6:26 PM + 3/4/2012, Peter Devlin wrote: You do know that if you print using all three colors you get FAKE BLACK! I am not very sure what you mean there - RGB images like those viewed on a computer have no black at all - black is not in the spectrum. It's only when images are sent to print that a black is generated by the conversion to CMYK. The appearance of black in RGB has the channel levels 0.0.0 whilst white is 256.256.256 levels of RGB. Black is added because when printing 100% of CMY is not only a poor effort at black it is also a serious waste of colour ink when a solid black will look better - thus UCR was developed. Basically - unless you are working in CMYK there never is a genuine black... Some printers have two modes - grayscale and color. In color mode they use only the color cartridges, blending as needed to create grays and blacks. In grayscale mode they use only the black cartridge... Typically blended grays and blacks look muddy, aka fake black. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On 03/03/2012 03:34, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: G'day Santa, Yes, iPhoto has in the EDIT mode a BW button, BUT THIS IS FAKE! Let me tell you why. All it does is print ALL COLORS and BLACK making a FAKE BLACK AND WHITE PIX. Not that it matters, but with the house in foreclosure, cancer, job loss, pregnant, and brother being deported, we can not spend a penny to buy a color cart, but I wanted to print using ONLY THE BLACK INK - NO COLOR FILL INS == This I have already done, it is ALL BLACK OR ALL WHITE, on a scale of 0 to 9 it is a 1 or 2. Years ago we had newspapers printing using ONLY BLACK INK, which is all I have to work with NO COLOR AT ALL, so now you see how this is fake --- not using a halftone screen This could give a 7 or 8! Any other sources for a REAL screen? Regards JML == --- On Fri, 3/2/12, Brian Christmas ozsa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brian Christmas ozsa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 5:51 PM On 03/03/2012, at 12:12 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. Any ideeas I do NOT have photoshop. A site letting me up load the pix and dl it back in halftone would work just fine. Thanks. G'day Jonas I think you're looking for greyscale printing - newspapers did indeed use a low res BW halftone screen - about 80 lines per inch I think and black ink only which gave the appearance of tone to the human eye by varying the size/distance between dots. This was analogue imaging though and digital is very different but your image editor should have the ability to convert an image to greyscale - 256 levels of grey calculated from the RGB channel values - and your printer dialogue should have the option to print in greyscale only - I have three printers and I know that at least two have this option. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On 03/03/2012, at 2:34 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: G'day Santa, Yes, iPhoto has in the EDIT mode a BW button, BUT THIS IS FAKE! Let me tell you why. All it does is print ALL COLORS and BLACK making a FAKE BLACK AND WHITE PIX. Not that it matters, but with the house in foreclosure, cancer, job loss, pregnant, and brother being deported, we can not spend a penny to buy a color cart, but I wanted to print using ONLY THE BLACK INK - NO COLOR FILL INS == This I have already done, it is ALL BLACK OR ALL WHITE, on a scale of 0 to 9 it is a 1 or 2. Years ago we had newspapers printing using ONLY BLACK INK, which is all I have to work with NO COLOR AT ALL, so now you see how this is fake --- not using a halftone screen This could give a 7 or 8! Any other sources for a REAL screen? Regards JML G'day Jonas I think GraphicConverter will do what you want. I'll send some off list screen shots of settings. (It's free as in Shareware) Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
You can run GIMP on PPC. A quick search and you will be in business. Eric From: Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com To: G3 G5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. Any ideeas I do NOT have photoshop. A site letting me up load the pix and dl it back in halftone would work just fine. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
On 03/03/2012, at 12:12 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. Any ideeas I do NOT have photoshop. A site letting me up load the pix and dl it back in halftone would work just fine. Thanks. G'day Jonas iPhoto has, and has for some time now, an edit menu, one aspect of which allows you to change pictures to BW or Sepia. I don't know what version you can run under 10.4 or 10.5. Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
G'day Santa, Yes, iPhoto has in the EDIT mode a BW button, BUT THIS IS FAKE! Let me tell you why. All it does is print ALL COLORS and BLACK making a FAKE BLACK AND WHITE PIX. Not that it matters, but with the house in foreclosure, cancer, job loss, pregnant, and brother being deported, we can not spend a penny to buy a color cart, but I wanted to print using ONLY THE BLACK INK - NO COLOR FILL INS == This I have already done, it is ALL BLACK OR ALL WHITE, on a scale of 0 to 9 it is a 1 or 2. Years ago we had newspapers printing using ONLY BLACK INK, which is all I have to work with NO COLOR AT ALL, so now you see how this is fake --- not using a halftone screen This could give a 7 or 8! Any other sources for a REAL screen? Regards JML == --- On Fri, 3/2/12, Brian Christmas ozsa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brian Christmas ozsa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 5:51 PM On 03/03/2012, at 12:12 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. Any ideeas I do NOT have photoshop. A site letting me up load the pix and dl it back in halftone would work just fine. Thanks. G'day Jonas iPhoto has, and has for some time now, an edit menu, one aspect of which allows you to change pictures to BW or Sepia. I don't know what version you can run under 10.4 or 10.5. Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
At 5:12 PM -0800 3/2/2012, Jonas Lopez wrote: From time to time I want to print in BW. Get the effect of aging in old photographs, or make your pictures look classic and use the black-and-white effect, etc. I run G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW, NOT INTEL. GraphicConverter, Gimp, iPhoto, Color It!, Photo Deluxe, etc. If you just want simple bw, then there's probably an option in the print dialog under the ColorSync tab for bw etc. (depends on the printer's driver). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8? Date:Friday, 06. January 2012 From:JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: iDVD is latest version 5.0.1, but it keeps complaining about running on a not supported version of Mac OS X. AFAIK iDVD is Intel only. The other stuff will run on PPC 10.5.8. iLife up to '09 is running on PowerPC. See http://support.apple.com/kb/TA27615 for details. Only iLife '11 is Intel-only. That would be iDVD 7.1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/iLife#Releases_and_history My question was about the refusal of iDVD 5.0.1 (from iLife '05) to even start on Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. I know that iDVD 6.0 (from iLife '06) and later versions run on Leopard. But why should I pay once again for a program that I already paid for? I've read that other uses have been angry about this as well, and that Apple should provide an update for iDVD 5 to make it run on Leopard. But apparently this didn't happen. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The ADB connection appears on a 4-way mini DIN socket for an Apple keyboard
+1 you will probably save money buying a PC usb keyboard over buying one for a mac, even if you buy a non-apple branded mac keyboard. as jack said, the option and command (apple) key positions are reversed on a PC keyboard. to fix that, open system preferences-- keyboard. click on Modifier Keys in the lower right corner. click on the pulldown menu next to Option Key and select Command, and on the pulldown menu next to Command Key and select Option. then if you want, you can use some paint or fingernail polish on the keys to change the artwork! all this advice may be moot if you already have a working keyboard, and you just want to put a rescued piece of Apple gear back into service--i know the words to that song! On Jan 5, 11:17 pm, Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com wrote: There were several usb to adb adapters made when the switch from adb to usb happened. I've had several different ones, made by Belkin (eGo), Momentum (uConnect), KeySpan, and Griffin (iMate). It seemed that different ones worked with different devices. Though most, if not all, would handle a keyboard or mouse, the Palm Pilots liked a different one than the UPS devices liked and other adb devices worked better with still other adapters. I think at one time I had three or so different ones on my g4 tower to keep various old devices working. (I'm not sure anymore which worked with what devices.) It seems to me that several of these needed or benefited from software drivers. Those may be even more difficult to find than the hardware. Even with the software, they may not work correctly until after the software loads. So keypresses that need to be there at startup become very difficult to do. A quick search on eBay finds two new Griffin iMates for sale there. A search there for KeySpan there shows up several of their adapters. A search for Belkin finds a number of their usb to DB9 adapters, and a few of their serial modular adapter units that have both DB9 and ADB. A search for Momentum finds one of their adapters. So, the devices are still out there...some of them (the Griffin units) still new in the package. At one time, there was also a device called a 'stealth serial port' sold, that put an adb serial port on the bw g3 and some g4 towers in the space where a modem port would otherwise go. A search on eBay shows one of those for sale for $25. That actually gives you the female DIN8 port to plug your adb keyboard into...if you have one of the models of Mac it works with. The ad lists it for a Mac mini, and the picture shows a printed circuit board, while the one I have that worked on my Blue White g3 Mac is only a ribbon cable with the female port...no printed circuit board. Maybe the Mac mini needs the board? If so, does that one really work with the g4? Caveat Emptor! http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEETHREE-G4-STEALTH-SERIAL-PORT-MAC-G4-MINI-D... Note that the same issue exists with mice...the old ones for your g4 are adb models. the new ones are usb. Perhaps a single usb to adb adapter would handle both a keyboard and mouse if they were daisy chained? However, prices on any of these devices are as high or higher than what you would pay for used or even new usb Mac or mac compatible keyboards. So, for practical purposes, the earlier poster probably has the right idea. It will be easiest to find a cheap usb keyboard. There's a university surplus outlet I sometimes get to that routinely has used keyboard (windows and Mac varieties) for $5 each plus tax. (Note that those keyboards intended for use with windows machines are rumored to work also with option=alt, and command=windows keys. On the other hand, if you are one who insists on keeping his old extended keyboard I or II going because of the way it feels...so be it...but its going to cost you. Good luck. Kris Tilford mailto:ktilfo...@cox.net January 5, 2012 10:28 PM On Jan 5, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Reggie wrote: None of the G4 PowerMacs are compatible with ADB keyboards. The best solution is to sell the ADB keyboard and get an Apple USB keyboard. ADB adapters are rare expensive, the Griffin iMate is $75 retail, $25 on eBay http://compare.ebay.com/like/220925051610 I don't think Mac keyboard commands work with an adapted ADB-to-USB keyboard, so this is a substantial drawback if you have problems. USB keyboards are cheap and plentiful. You might be able to buy 5 keyboards for the same price as one if you find the right seller? Older USB keyboards that came with colored iMacs or early PowerMacs often sell for $5 or so each, a stack for $15-20 shipped. Reggie mailto:reggiegreenl...@msn.com January 5, 2012 7:58 PM I have an older G4 powerpc, Mac OS X 10.5.8. I found an apple keyboard but it has the 4 way mini DIN socket and I am having a heck of a time finding an USB adaptor for it. Does anyone know where i can find one? Thanks for your help! I am new at this so I may
iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8?
Hi! I've got a bundle installation of GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie HD and iPhoto from my Power Mac G5 (Late 2005, Dual-Core, 2 GHz), originally with Mac OS X 10.4.2 pre-installed (restored using the Restore DVDs). Now, after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.8 (with steps in between to 10.4.11, 10.5.4) I noticed that I can actually use all iLife applications, with the one exception: iDVD. The versions installed are: GarageBand 2.0.2 iMovie HD 5.0.2 iPhoto 5.0.4 iDVD is latest version 5.0.1, but it keeps complaining about running on a not supported version of Mac OS X. I did find several posts about this at the “Apple Support Communities”: https://discussions.apple.com/message/8825011#8825011 https://discussions.apple.com/message/11655279#11655279 https://discussions.apple.com/message/17051352#17051352 (I also wrote something at one of the linked discussions…) It is very hard to believe that iDVD 5.0.1 should really be incompatible with Leopard, while the other iLife '05 applications (the ones I have in the bundle) continue working. So, what are my options? 1) Don't use iDVD at all? I guess I could (not, haha) do that. But I kind of paid for it, right? 2) Downgrade to 10.4.11 Tiger? Some other stuff will stop working. Just one lousy example is VLC: the older version for Tiger doesn't support WebM decoding – I've tried! So, downgrade is not really a good idea. 3) Upgrade to iLife '06/'08/'09? Why pay for something that I don't need? I'm very happy with the iLife '05 stuff that I already have. I'd rather go with option 1)… 4) Hack something … to make it work? Yes, is that possible? For example, can I fake an applications so that it thinks it's running on a different version of Mac OS X? What do/did you do, when you have/had this issue? Thanks for your time! Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8?
On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Hi! I've got a bundle installation of GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie HD and iPhoto from my Power Mac G5 (Late 2005, Dual-Core, 2 GHz), originally with Mac OS X 10.4.2 pre-installed (restored using the Restore DVDs). Now, after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.8 (with steps in between to 10.4.11, 10.5.4) I noticed that I can actually use all iLife applications, with the one exception: iDVD. The versions installed are: GarageBand 2.0.2 iMovie HD 5.0.2 iPhoto 5.0.4 iDVD is latest version 5.0.1, but it keeps complaining about running on a not supported version of Mac OS X. AFAIK iDVD is Intel only. The other stuff will run on PPC 10.5.8. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8?
iDVD 7.0.4 running fine on my PPC G4. Leopard. On Jan 6, 2:40 pm, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Hi! I've got a bundle installation of GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie HD and iPhoto from my Power Mac G5 (Late 2005, Dual-Core, 2 GHz), originally with Mac OS X 10.4.2 pre-installed (restored using the Restore DVDs). Now, after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.8 (with steps in between to 10.4.11, 10.5.4) I noticed that I can actually use all iLife applications, with the one exception: iDVD. The versions installed are: GarageBand 2.0.2 iMovie HD 5.0.2 iPhoto 5.0.4 iDVD is latest version 5.0.1, but it keeps complaining about running on a not supported version of Mac OS X. AFAIK iDVD is Intel only. The other stuff will run on PPC 10.5.8. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
The ADB connection appears on a 4-way mini DIN socket for an Apple keyboard
I have an older G4 powerpc, Mac OS X 10.5.8. I found an apple keyboard but it has the 4 way mini DIN socket and I am having a heck of a time finding an USB adaptor for it. Does anyone know where i can find one? Thanks for your help! I am new at this so I may not use the correct terms, please feel free to correct me! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The ADB connection appears on a 4-way mini DIN socket for an Apple keyboard
On Jan 5, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Reggie wrote: I have an older G4 powerpc, Mac OS X 10.5.8. I found an apple keyboard but it has the 4 way mini DIN socket and I am having a heck of a time finding an USB adaptor for it. Does anyone know where i can find one? Thanks for your help! I am new at this so I may not use the correct terms, please feel free to correct me! None of the G4 PowerMacs are compatible with ADB keyboards. The best solution is to sell the ADB keyboard and get an Apple USB keyboard. ADB adapters are rare expensive, the Griffin iMate is $75 retail, $25 on eBay http://compare.ebay.com/like/220925051610 I don't think Mac keyboard commands work with an adapted ADB-to-USB keyboard, so this is a substantial drawback if you have problems. USB keyboards are cheap and plentiful. You might be able to buy 5 keyboards for the same price as one if you find the right seller? Older USB keyboards that came with colored iMacs or early PowerMacs often sell for $5 or so each, a stack for $15-20 shipped. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The ADB connection appears on a 4-way mini DIN socket for an Apple keyboard
There were several usb to adb adapters made when the switch from adb to usb happened. I've had several different ones, made by Belkin (eGo), Momentum (uConnect), KeySpan, and Griffin (iMate). It seemed that different ones worked with different devices. Though most, if not all, would handle a keyboard or mouse, the Palm Pilots liked a different one than the UPS devices liked and other adb devices worked better with still other adapters. I think at one time I had three or so different ones on my g4 tower to keep various old devices working. (I'm not sure anymore which worked with what devices.) It seems to me that several of these needed or benefited from software drivers. Those may be even more difficult to find than the hardware. Even with the software, they may not work correctly until after the software loads. So keypresses that need to be there at startup become very difficult to do. A quick search on eBay finds two new Griffin iMates for sale there. A search there for KeySpan there shows up several of their adapters. A search for Belkin finds a number of their usb to DB9 adapters, and a few of their serial modular adapter units that have both DB9 and ADB. A search for Momentum finds one of their adapters. So, the devices are still out there...some of them (the Griffin units) still new in the package. At one time, there was also a device called a 'stealth serial port' sold, that put an adb serial port on the bw g3 and some g4 towers in the space where a modem port would otherwise go. A search on eBay shows one of those for sale for $25. That actually gives you the female DIN8 port to plug your adb keyboard into...if you have one of the models of Mac it works with. The ad lists it for a Mac mini, and the picture shows a printed circuit board, while the one I have that worked on my Blue White g3 Mac is only a ribbon cable with the female port...no printed circuit board. Maybe the Mac mini needs the board? If so, does that one really work with the g4? Caveat Emptor! http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEETHREE-G4-STEALTH-SERIAL-PORT-MAC-G4-MINI-DIN8-/200677752087?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb9537d17#ht_1717wt_1044 Note that the same issue exists with mice...the old ones for your g4 are adb models. the new ones are usb. Perhaps a single usb to adb adapter would handle both a keyboard and mouse if they were daisy chained? However, prices on any of these devices are as high or higher than what you would pay for used or even new usb Mac or mac compatible keyboards. So, for practical purposes, the earlier poster probably has the right idea. It will be easiest to find a cheap usb keyboard. There's a university surplus outlet I sometimes get to that routinely has used keyboard (windows and Mac varieties) for $5 each plus tax. (Note that those keyboards intended for use with windows machines are rumored to work also with option=alt, and command=windows keys. On the other hand, if you are one who insists on keeping his old extended keyboard I or II going because of the way it feels...so be it...but its going to cost you. Good luck. Kris Tilford mailto:ktilfo...@cox.net January 5, 2012 10:28 PM On Jan 5, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Reggie wrote: None of the G4 PowerMacs are compatible with ADB keyboards. The best solution is to sell the ADB keyboard and get an Apple USB keyboard. ADB adapters are rare expensive, the Griffin iMate is $75 retail, $25 on eBay http://compare.ebay.com/like/220925051610 I don't think Mac keyboard commands work with an adapted ADB-to-USB keyboard, so this is a substantial drawback if you have problems. USB keyboards are cheap and plentiful. You might be able to buy 5 keyboards for the same price as one if you find the right seller? Older USB keyboards that came with colored iMacs or early PowerMacs often sell for $5 or so each, a stack for $15-20 shipped. Reggie mailto:reggiegreenl...@msn.com January 5, 2012 7:58 PM I have an older G4 powerpc, Mac OS X 10.5.8. I found an apple keyboard but it has the 4 way mini DIN socket and I am having a heck of a time finding an USB adaptor for it. Does anyone know where i can find one? Thanks for your help! I am new at this so I may not use the correct terms, please feel free to correct me! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there a way...
This information will be in the file AlbumData.xml stored in ~/ Pictures/iPhoto Library. Depending on the version of iPhoto, the library may be a package. Open the package by Control-clicking on iPhoto Library and selecting Show Package Contents. Drag AlbumData.xml to a web browser to view it. You will see something like: plist version=1.0 dict keyApplication Version/key string6.0.6 (322)/string Here, 6.0.6 is the version of iPhoto. On Oct 22, 7:11 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I have an older iPhoto library, that I need to find out which version of iPhoto/ilife created it? any ideas? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there a way...
Excellent just what I needed:-) thanks. Jeff On Oct 23, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: This information will be in the file AlbumData.xml stored in ~/ Pictures/iPhoto Library. Depending on the version of iPhoto, the library may be a package. Open the package by Control-clicking on iPhoto Library and selecting Show Package Contents. Drag AlbumData.xml to a web browser to view it. You will see something like: plist version=1.0 dict keyApplication Version/key string6.0.6 (322)/string Here, 6.0.6 is the version of iPhoto. On Oct 22, 7:11 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I have an older iPhoto library, that I need to find out which version of iPhoto/ilife created it? any ideas? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is there a way...
I have an older iPhoto library, that I need to find out which version of iPhoto/ilife created it? any ideas? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there a way...
Click on one of the images and do a Get Info, that will at least tell you a date, and possibly a version of the software that created or modified it. You might also look at the file names/numbers and do a search on the internet to see what it matches up with. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Is there a way... I have an older iPhoto library, that I need to find out which version of iPhoto/ilife created it? any ideas? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. For some reason, Mail (or the Server) refuses to Forward a copy to you. I also tried cutting and pasting the headers and body, but it refused to send it that way, too. I'm working from the Junk folder ... maybe I should move it to a non- Junk box, and try to Forward it there ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
At 2:05 PM -0400 6/19/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. For some reason, Mail (or the Server) refuses to Forward a copy to you. I also tried cutting and pasting the headers and body, but it refused to send it that way, too. I'm working from the Junk folder ... maybe I should move it to a non-Junk box, and try to Forward it there ... yea. Doncha just love apps that won't do what you tell them to do because they think they know better? Or copy the whole thing to a text file, zip it, and send that. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On 2011/06/19 06:37, Dan so eloquently wrote: At 11:34 PM -0600 6/18/2011, Tina K. wrote: On 2011/06/18 07:15, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? I'm not getting much from the topics these days anyway ... Huh? I get zero spam from LEM lists, and I'm subscribed to at least five of them. Perhaps AOL is catching it. Obviously this is a GMAIL account not an AOL account, please pardon my blonde moment. Well, zero is relative. There was that recent fusenet glitch. Nothing to do with LEM per se, but still... Occasionally I get spam on one of the other list servers that I subscribe to, but even that is so little that it is insignificant. fwiw... In addition to my Gmail account, I have two verizon.net email addresses (such as the OP's) - the primary contact accounts for our FiOS service. Verizon's filters are rather poor. Sometimes they flag their own notices as spam. And I get perhaps 10 to 20 spams a week on each, that their filters totally miss. The comparison is, of course, my Gmail account. Their filters are pretty good; perhaps one a week gets thru, if that. I'm not a big Verizon fan, but then I dont have FiOS either. I might be willing to put up with them for that kind of speed. I have two Gmail and two AOL accounts and I see very little spam, nothing like I did say five years ago. Not complaining a bit either. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.4.11 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:51:25 -0600, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big Verizon fan, but then I dont have FiOS either. I might be willing to put up with them for that kind of speed. I have two Gmail and two AOL accounts and I see very little spam, nothing like I did say five years ago. Not complaining a bit either. GMail has the second best filter on the planet, only behind Google Apps + Postini in my book. A very close third are IronPort appliances. I had stopped using this account because of the amount of spam it got, spamassassin did nothing to help. Friday I went to the colo and put in a surplus IronPort and new personal mail server, and like magic I have no spam. 2,700 blocked spam messages to the one account enabled so far in 24 hours. Uffdah. Anyway, /end geek overload. FWIW I haven't seen any spam to this list in my filter. -- Ben b...@mac-geek.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
Bill forwarded the email to me. My response: This received header is the key: Received: from c9rxllkk ([unknown] [220.95.137.166]) by vms169129.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id 0ln100itki5fq...@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net for billycarm...@verizon.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:46:41 -0500 (CDT) 220.95.137.166 is in Korea. The spammer is using a zombied peecee there to relay it. Other than the fact that it was addressed to billycarm...@verizon.net, there is no evidence this has anything to do with any LEM list. The above Received header is likely legit because mailsrvcs.net is a service domain owned by Verizon and that is the server that created that header. Notice that you, the recipient, are *different* from the To address. That's fine - except for that final Received header, *ALL* other mail headers are forgeable and optional. The actual address(es) to which an email is sent are given to the smtp server separately, as part of its protocol. (I've omitted that To: field in this list reply because that address might be legit, some poor guy that's being abused by a spammer. No need to spread his addr farther). (and the body of the email is just a standard drug push with a url in the Russian tld. Kindof boring, actually, not even a spoofed domain). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? I'm not getting much from the topics these days anyway ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
At 9:15 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? From? A legit g3-5-list email has a TO field that says - and note the lower case: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com and it has a FROM field that's the email address of the sender, eg: From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net You're welcome to unsubscribe, of course. That would be like shunning your friends because some unknown idiot from across town is making crank phone calls to your home. But hey, whatever floats your boat. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Jun 18, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:15 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? From? A legit g3-5-list email has a TO field that says - and note the lower case: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com and it has a FROM field that's the email address of the sender, eg: From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net You're welcome to unsubscribe, of course. That would be like shunning your friends because some unknown idiot from across town is making crank phone calls to your home. But hey, whatever floats your boat. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- My apologies ... I was being somewhat inflammatory, letting my ocd get the best of me I'm not dropping the group. But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Just sick of seeing them. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
I'm not getting any of these spams you are talking about. Perhaps you need a better email host? We (my group) is Mac friendly and there's super strong mail filtering. Let me know if you want an account. Brielle On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? I'm not getting much from the topics these days anyway ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. I'll wait for the next one to arrive, as all the ones I got so far, I Forwarded to spamdetector.notcau...@verizon.net, and when I'm in a bad mood, Bounce'd them too. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
At 11:16 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. I'll wait for the next one to arrive, Ok. as all the ones I got so far, I Forwarded to spamdetector.notcau...@verizon.net eh. Better to just train the spam filters in your local email client. Companies like Verizon have such poor email service, that their filters are all but useless anyway. , and when I'm in a bad mood, Bounce'd them too. oops. Think about that. Two types of spam: 1) Spam relayed thru a zombie, using someone else's from address. 2) Spam used to probe to see if there's a live user out there. Type 1... By bouncing, all you're doing is screwing over some innocent person whoze address was put in the From field by a spammer. Just what that poor guy needs -- more spam. Type 2... You're telling the spammer that you EXIST! YAH! That just popped you from from his giant unverified address list to the Next Level, the one that brings in more $ when the spammer sells the list to other spammers! IOW, you are HELPING the spammer earn *cough* his living AND you are EXPLICITLY ENCOURAGING other spammers to spam you! The same thing happens when you simply view a spam, with html enabled or images enabled. Those 1x1 pixel graphic files that you don't see... That's reaching out and touching the spammer's web site to tell him YOU EXIST. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On 18/6/11 10:49 AM, Brielle wrote: I'm not getting any of these spams you are talking about. Perhaps you need a better email host? We (my group) is Mac friendly and there's super strong mail filtering. Let me know if you want an account. Brielle I second that suggestion - my ISP sysadmin has a good spam filter set up and I get almost no spam. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.netwrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? Nothing like that is coming into gmail. with or without fake Glist addies. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
I personally handle lists using the ListID: header that is almost universal now. These are typical: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM? Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com List-ID: g3-5-list.googlegroups.com My list address is filtered using a white list of subscribed ListID: headers. Not there, the message is spam. There are a few exceptions and I do look for a subject that is an exact duplicate of something I have recently sent. That helps for folks who still think replies to lists ought to be sent To: the poster with a copy to the list. (That was a good idea when lists could take more than a day to respond over a telephone or usenet connection.) If you speak perl have a look at: ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl The list server is usually pretty good at filtering out spam sent to the list for re-distribution. They have the advantage of an allowed list of posters who can be cut off for bad messages. But it can still happen that a subscriber's computer can get infected and distribute messages over a list, Such things are usually detected and stopped quickly. -- -- The U. S. Census Bureau missed a bet by not counting all of those embryos in cold storage. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On 18 Jun 2011, at 18:46, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? Nothing like that is coming into gmail. with or without fake Glist addies. Nothing like that received by me (in the UK), either. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
I occasionally get those messages as well, but not enough to even annoy me. I just ignore them. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On 2011/06/18 07:15, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? I'm not getting much from the topics these days anyway ... Huh? I get zero spam from LEM lists, and I'm subscribed to at least five of them. Perhaps AOL is catching it. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.4.11 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
easiest way to get a Mac Os program onto a non-newtworked Os 8.6 machine.
Hi gang, this should be easy. I want to send a program written for mac OS 7.5 - 9.2.2 to a couple of buddies of mine that are running old Mac 8100's, one of them is using OS 8.6, I think the other one is the same. These folks are not techinclally savvy, so I'm looking to do this the easiest way as possible. These machines are not networked, not sure I have the time to show them how to do that! The program file in question is a .hqx file, so I thought that I would start by doing the decompression myself on my G4, and then burning the uncompressed files to a CD and mailing it to them. I am a windows user, I can burn a cd no problem from that machine, which is networked to the mac through DAVE (on 9.2.2), or I can use OS- X as well. I'm not sure, but I don't think the mac G4 Digital Audio has a burner in it, I think it's just a reader. So,,, Can I just create a windows formatted CD, will that be read in Os 8.6, or do I need to format that CD to a Mac style format, somehow from windows, assuing I have to do this on the windows machine? The other option is a little flash drive, would that be simpler, will a 500mb flash drive 'work' in these older machines, or will I have to get them to install drivers etc etc. in which case it's probably not worth going that route. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: easiest way to get a Mac Os program onto a non-newtworked Os 8.6 machine.
On May 5, 2011, at 10:45 AM, jsmanson wrote: I am a windows user, I can burn a cd no problem from that machine, which is networked to the mac through DAVE (on 9.2.2), or I can use OS- X as well. I'm not sure, but I don't think the mac G4 Digital Audio has a burner in it, I think it's just a reader. On the Mac: Un-binhex the program. Go to Disk Utility, and create a new disk image, copy the decoded program to it and drag the image to the trash to close it. Follow the instructions here to create an iso file from the disk image http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20040121135301830 Copy the ISO to windows, burn and mail. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: easiest way to get a Mac Os program onto a non-newtworked Os 8.6 machine.
Il giorno 5-05-2011 19:45, jsmanson ha scritto: So,,, Can I just create a windows formatted CD, will that be read in Os 8.6 Yes, 8.6 (and before) was able to read PC disks (floppy and CDs). The other option is a little flash drive, would that be simpler Maybe, but a flash drive would require USB ports to connect: since USB ports appeared on the BW G3 (IIRC), you have to check the receiving Macs have USB cards installed. So, I'd say a CD (or even a floppy... ;-) is a safer bet with older Macs. or will I have to get them to install drivers etc etc. Apart from the physical USB port (see above), I know 8.6 had built-in USB drivers, so no need to install anything else. Don't know about previous MacOS versions. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: easiest way to get a Mac Os program onto a non-newtworked Os 8.6 machine.
On May 9, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 5-05-2011 19:45, jsmanson ha scritto: So,,, Can I just create a windows formatted CD, will that be read in Os 8.6 Yes, 8.6 (and before) was able to read PC disks (floppy and CDs). Yes, but if the OP un-binhexes the program, then burns it to a Windows-formatted CD, the results will be useless, as the resource fork will be gone. If the 8100's have the ability to unbinhex a file, then just burn the .hqx file to the CD in windows. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
On Feb 26, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Tom wrote: Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Flip4Mac is the free QT plugin so QT Player can play .wmv: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/windows-media-player/wmcomponents VLC can also play .wmv http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html You can convert .wmv files to something more Mac friendly at: http://media-convert.com/. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
Use Flip4Mac. Think you can get it on CNet download or almost anywhere that you trust to get your downloads. On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Tom wrote: Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
On Feb 26, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: Use Flip4Mac. Think you can get it on CNet download or almost anywhere that you trust to get your downloads. I have very good luck with Visual Hub it will work any any stuff I drop on it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
You can probably use VLC in transcode mode, and set it to output to a file. Avidemux2 may also work, as might Handbrake. Brielle -- Brielle Bruns http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org -Original Message- From: Tom tba...@nmia.com Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:36:21 To: G-Groupg3-5-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov? Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
At 4:36 PM -0800 2/26/2011, Tom wrote: Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). You need to install the codecs for QuickTime to use to decode them. Flip4Mac, as others have mentioned, is the official solution for wma/wmv. http://www.flip4mac.com/ And Perian is a nifty collection of all the others you'll need - divx, etc. http://perian.org/ Note however, there will still be some wmv files that won't play. That's because they use a DRM system that's MS proprietary, and is only usable on Windows. Another alternative to playing videos is to use Video LAN Client (VLC). It's a great free player, and has many many codecs already built-in. heh. It can play a lot of mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 videos that make QuickTime crash! http://www.videolan.org/ Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Transcoding is easy, one you know the key: almost every transcoder app available ultimately uses the same engine -- ffmpeg. FFmpeg is free / open-source, but has no pretty GUI. http://ffmpeg.org/ FFmpegX is a GUI that contains a build of ffmpeg. Shareware. Works well. My preference, however, is to install the free Burn.app. Besides doing a nice job creating simple DVD-Video discs, it contains a full build of ffmpeg that you can access directly from the command line (Terminal.app). http://burn-osx.sourceforge.net/Pages/English/home.html HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
On 12/13/2010 10:20 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Yeah, but the cost is enormous! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
Op 14-dec-2010, om 5:20 heeft Jeffrey Engle het volgende geschreven: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Hi Jeff, You can try Wireshark (availble for Windows, Unix and Apple, Darwin). Erik, Netherlands, Europe --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
At 10:12 PM -0800 12/13/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:20 PM -0800 12/13/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Define monitor... Do you mean general throughput or packet sniffing? To/from your computer or on your entire LAN? Yes, to/from on the entire LAN... Ok. As Clark indicated, there is a segmenting problem. Unless you're using 10 Mb hubs, each client (computer, printer, etc - thing plugged into the network) on the LAN sees only the ethernet traffic specifically addressed to it (ethernet is pretty smart that way!). This is because the switches do intelligent routing, at the physical ethernet link level. Wi-fi is a bit different as there are no switches involved - but an interface can only sniff packets in a single channel. If your network has a choke point, you could perhaps monitor traffic there. eg: At the router that connects to your ISP. But still, because of any ethernet switches you have, that will only let you see the traffic to/from your ISP. Traffic sent directly between clients won't be seen as it never goes thru the router. What is the purpose of all this? Exactly what do you want to accomplish? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
What about ? Little Snitch Runs in full Demo mode for 3hrs at a time for free. On Dec 13, 8:20 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
On Dec 14, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Will S wrote: What about ? Little Snitch Runs in full Demo mode for 3hrs at a time for free. Not what I need. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Easy way to monitor network traffic?
I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Probably not. If the LAN is via a switch (which includes the one built into routers) then you can only see traffic to your machine and broadcast traffic. Regular traffic (the packets requesting a web page and the response back from the server for example) go only between the router and the machine making the request. Older 10BaseT-only wiring tended to use hubs which sent all packets out to all ports. With a hub it was possible to monitor all the traffic. There are some tools to monitor wireless traffic but I'm not familiar with those. Higher end switches allow you to do some monitoring but that's not available in typical SOHO equipment. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
At 8:20 PM -0800 12/13/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Define monitor... Do you mean general throughput or packet sniffing? To/from your computer or on your entire LAN? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Easy way to monitor network traffic?
On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:20 PM -0800 12/13/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I there a way that I can easily monitor my network traffic on my home LAN preferably without using the terminal? with a 3rd party software? Define monitor... Do you mean general throughput or packet sniffing? To/from your computer or on your entire LAN? Yes, to/from on the entire LAN... Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is there any way to use a Panther upgrade CD set to install onto a blank hard drive?
I discovered that I have a set of 10.3 Panther CD's, but even though they're the black retail-looking ones, the first disc (of 3) says Upgrade on it. I know there was a way to use a Leopard upgrade disc to a blank drive, but that trick involved Time Machine, which didn't exist with 10.3. So - is there a way to use this set to install to a blank drive? I don't have 10.2 running on anything, and no copy of the 10.2 installer. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there any way to use a Panther upgrade CD set to install onto a blank hard drive?
The only difference in an upgrade disc and a full installer is that there is a CheckForOSX file that checks for a previous OS X version on the HD and blocks you if it isn't there. You need to remove this CheckForOSX file. Here are instructions: Here's the method for a Leopard upgrade disc, it should be almost identical on a Panther disc: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/12/12791/ Here's the method for a Jaguar upgrade disc, so if the Leopard has changed something, this may be closer: http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/181235/how-do-the-upgrade-cds- work/ The key is that you're removing the CheckForOSX and burning a new CD without it. Then you've got a full retail installer disc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote: With my Canon A70, I have to tell it not to download duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will look and check for each shot as it does the download. Yes, yes, so how do you tell iPhoto to do this? iPhoto does this automatically. What version of iPhoto are you using? The version I have (8.1) will let me selectively import photos from my camera, but ISTR that's a new- ish feature. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Subject: Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:47 AM On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote: With my Canon A70, I have to tell it not to download duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will look and check for each shot as it does the download. Yes, yes, so how do you tell iPhoto to do this? iPhoto does this automatically. What version of iPhoto are you using? The version I have (8.1) will let me selectively import photos from my camera, My version is 1.1 I think it came with 10.2, but no up date on 10.4? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
Jonas Lopez wrote: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto on G4, 10.4.11? I have a digital camera with a memory that I insert in a USB reader causing iPhoto to launch and load ALL 250 PIX. I only shot the last 10, so only want to load the last 10. Is there a way to select the order of pix loading? Could not find a way to tell it to load the last ones first. JML. With my Canon A70, I have to tell it not to download duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will look and check for each shot as it does the download. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
--- On Sun, 3/21/10, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: From: Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net Subject: Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:26 AM Jonas Lopez wrote: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto on G4, 10.4.11? I have a digital camera with a memory that I insert in a USB reader causing iPhoto to launch and load ALL 250 PIX. I only shot the last 10, so only want to load the last 10. Is there a way to select the order of pix loading? Could not find a way to tell it to load the last ones first. JML. With my Canon A70, I have to tell it not to download duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will look and check for each shot as it does the download. Yes, yes, so how do you tell iPhoto to do this? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
tutorial at; http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=128 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto on G4, 10.4.11? I have a digital camera with a memory that I insert in a USB reader causing iPhoto to launch and load ALL 250 PIX. I only shot the last 10, so only want to load the last 10. Is there a way to select the order of pix loading? Could not find a way to tell it to load the last ones first. JML. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
Hi all, it's my first post. Hope you can help. I love enabling my mom to use her G4 with OS 9.2.2 and nineties era Microsoft Word, but her old printer died and we scored an All-in-One printer very cheap. When we got it home I realized, duh, there's no way in *heck* that the new Lexmark 9575 is going to have a driver for OS9. Works great with her windows machine though. I briefly flirted with using Print Driver Utility or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! Tim P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of her writing workflow. It would probably be a Panther system, according to my research about how far to go with the hardware: G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / AGP / 320 MB RAM. -- ɯoɔ˙lıɐ�...@ssɐqxpd -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. Buy SSD Ram's from Ebay. 512 MB sticks x3 or 256 MB sticks x 3. Probably you have 128 MB x3. Forget them. 2010/1/7 Tim Renner pdxb...@gmail.com Hi all, it's my first post. Hope you can help. I love enabling my mom to use her G4 with OS 9.2.2 and nineties era Microsoft Word, but her old printer died and we scored an All-in-One printer very cheap. When we got it home I realized, duh, there's no way in *heck* that the new Lexmark 9575 is going to have a driver for OS9. Works great with her windows machine though. I briefly flirted with using Print Driver Utility or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! Tim P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of her writing workflow. It would probably be a Panther system, according to my research about how far to go with the hardware: G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / AGP / 320 MB RAM. -- ɯoɔ˙lıɐ�...@ssɐqxpd -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Tim Renner wrote: Hi all, it's my first post. Hope you can help. I love enabling my mom to use her G4 with OS 9.2.2 and nineties era Microsoft Word, but her old printer died and we scored an All-in-One printer very cheap. When we got it home I realized, duh, there's no way in *heck* that the new Lexmark 9575 is going to have a driver for OS9. Works great with her windows machine though. I briefly flirted with using Print Driver Utility or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! Tim P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of her writing workflow. It would probably be a Panther system, according to my research about how far to go with the hardware: G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / AGP / 320 MB RAM. Hi Tim great topic I have a Lexmark 120n that I use on Tiger running Classic it works very well on most applications ,The only one that I have a problem with is Page Maker and an up grade of that I think would fix it.. The web site has some OS9 drivers. As for Panther it's good but Tiger is better just make sure to check for firmware updates before installation. Also max out the ram. John Carmonne wttm Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 1:03 AM, Tim Renner wrote: I briefly flirted with using Print Driver Utility or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! Tim P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of her writing workflow. Well, this is truly the only way. Modern (non-PostScript) printers just won't work without specific drivers. The G4 will run Tiger just fine, once you disable spotlight and Dashboard, IF you kick up the RAM, which would be a good idea anyway. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 1:03 AM, Tim Renner wrote: I briefly flirted with using Print Driver Utility or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! Tim P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of her writing workflow. I would push for the X upgrade, but baring that, there MAY be a kludge or two to get it to work. You might not get all the functionality, but you MAY be able to print. How does it connect, USB or network? If network, you may be out of luck. You might try browsing Lexmarks site for an older printer that has OS 9 drivers. Try and look for something a little similar (heavier duty color inkjet) and install it. It may just work, but not all the functions. A real long shot that may get you black text. At least in the old days, many printers could accept different input formats. If you can track down a print driver for one of the following, try installing it and see if it works: LaserJet II Epson FX Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
it is G4 350, limit of Tiger recommendation... Definetly disable spotlight and dashboard. 2010/1/7 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Baha Ata wrote: i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. Recommending 10.3 for any but very specific compatibility issues is a bad idea, IMHO. It's becoming increasingly incompatible with the modern OS X world. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Baha Ata wrote: it is G4 350, limit of Tiger recommendation... Definetly disable spotlight and dashboard. How do I disable Dashboard and Spotlight, I just got Tiger running on a Wally 300 512 and want to optimize it. 2010/1/7 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Baha Ata wrote: i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. Recommending 10.3 for any but very specific compatibility issues is a bad idea, IMHO. It's becoming increasingly incompatible with the modern OS X world. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:12 AM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Baha Ata wrote: it is G4 350, limit of Tiger recommendation... Definetly disable spotlight and dashboard. How do I disable Dashboard and Spotlight, I just got Tiger running on a Wally 300 512 and want to optimize it. This has the info: http://tinyurl.com/yevodep -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Another way to do wireless?
I have a couple for use with a dish reflector to make a high-gain directional WiFi rig for boosting the range. I've read about people getting good results with large metal coffee cans. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
Have you looked for a Mac able wifi USB adaptor? and router if needed? I'd heard that USB wireless adapters were generally not very good. I'm not sure if this has continued to be true over the past couple of years. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
Have you looked for a Mac able wifi USB adaptor? and router if needed? I'd heard that USB wireless adapters were generally not very good. I'm not sure if this has continued to be true over the past couple of years. And if I remember right, any Ethernet model will work with a Mac with no fuss. No need for a special twice-as-expensive Mac model. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
Paul wrote: Have you looked for a Mac able wifi USB adaptor? and router if needed? I'd heard that USB wireless adapters were generally not very good. I'm not sure if this has continued to be true over the past couple of years. I don't know how well the adapters work but the software is rather primitive, at least the three or four I've dealt with. None of them provided a menu bar ICON allowing selection of the WiFi network as Airport does. They tend to be cluncky and un-Mac like and are also slow. I have a client who is using one because of a faulty Airport antenna. I have a couple for use with a dish reflector to make a high-gain directional WiFi rig for boosting the range. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
I'm using a USB adapter from macsense.com . It was perhaps over priced a bit but still works well with 10.5.8 in a hackintosh machine. Also works great in my old PPC BW machine with Tiger. Doesn't work with Snow Leopard. The software won't load. Not all of the USB are funky. The one list above from Newegg.com uses the native Airport software and I may get one if it will work with Snow Leopard needs 64bit drivers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Another way to do wireless?
Rather than struggle with a PCI wireless card that might be the wrong chipset (though it works fine in a PC), isn't there a device that's somewhat like a wireless broadband modem/router - wireless and connected to the Mac through the Ethernet port, but without the plug to connect to cable or DSL. Or is that not even theoretically possible? Right now, when I want to get a Mac on the Internet, I disconnect my wireless DSL modem from my PC, and move it to where the Mac is, which has to be near another phone jack. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Paul wrote: Rather than struggle with a PCI wireless card that might be the wrong chipset (though it works fine in a PC), isn't there a device that's somewhat like a wireless broadband modem/router - wireless and connected to the Mac through the Ethernet port, but without the plug to connect to cable or DSL. Or is that not even theoretically possible? Oh yeah they've made those for years; they're advertised to be able to make anything with an ethernet port wireless. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=333 is one. I've used an earlier version of one of these to make my Powerbook 540C wireless... -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
Yes, they have them, and they're called Wireless Bridges. But they cost about 50$, and for that amount of money you could get an AirPort card for your mac and a WiFi router. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paulpper...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than struggle with a PCI wireless card that might be the wrong chipset (though it works fine in a PC), isn't there a device that's somewhat like a wireless broadband modem/router - wireless and connected to the Mac through the Ethernet port, but without the plug to connect to cable or DSL. Or is that not even theoretically possible? Right now, when I want to get a Mac on the Internet, I disconnect my wireless DSL modem from my PC, and move it to where the Mac is, which has to be near another phone jack. -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:57 PM, WhyOSX wrote: Was there a main computer in 'Silent Running', or were there only Huey, Duey and Louis ? I must have mis-spelled them; please send a correction. Vaguely I recall Bruce Dern doing something on a computer, so there must have been one. Haven't seen Silent Running in decades, so I can't be sure. The robots were called Huey, Dewey and Louie, after Donald Duck's nephews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey,_Dewey,_and_Louie -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Paul wrote: From a quick read on the Internet, I found that some wireless DSL routers could work as bridges. ANY wireless router can act as a bridge if you want to go that route, I saw a Airport going on the swap list for $20 the other day. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Mike (Moon is a Harsh Mistress) True. Which (fortunately) after the cinematic horror that was Starship Troopers, they've never made into a movie, even though of all of Heinlein's novels MiaHM would seem the most logically film-able. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
From a quick read on the Internet, I found that some wireless DSL routers could work as bridges. Since used wireless DSL routers are often available very cheap, this may be the way to go. However, like almost everything else related to computers when trying not to spend to the max, it will take some research and time and frustration. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another way to do wireless?
Howdy, If you are willing to tinker a bit, it can be much cheaper. I made mine for $15. I bought an Airlink AR430W from Fry's and reflashed it with the DD-WRT firmware. It works fine as a wireless bridge. Fry's dropped that brand, but there are a bunch of wireless routers compatible with DD-WRT or similar projects like the Tomato Router. The most common one to use is a Linksys WRT54G, although only certain version numbers can be used. Used WRT54G units are common enough that I see them for $10 pretty often. This may be getting off-topic, so feel free to contact me off-list for any details on those projects. This may be a bit geeky for a Mac user, but it is not really difficult. Good day, Ralph On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 12:26 -0400, Chance Reecher wrote: Yes, they have them, and they're called Wireless Bridges. But they cost about 50$, and for that amount of money you could get an AirPort card for your mac and a WiFi router. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paulpper...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than struggle with a PCI wireless card that might be the wrong chipset (though it works fine in a PC), isn't there a device that's somewhat like a wireless broadband modem/router - wireless and connected to the Mac through the Ethernet port, but without the plug to connect to cable or DSL. Or is that not even theoretically possible? Right now, when I want to get a Mac on the Internet, I disconnect my wireless DSL modem from my PC, and move it to where the Mac is, which has to be near another phone jack. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
At 10:44 PM -0700 9/3/2009, Clark Martin wrote: His Hers Macs Yup! Absolutely a necessity! ... and the kids too!! We all have aging Macs that work very well and afford some level of privacy. His and hers Macs??? What an odd concept. Here it's his, hers, hers, hers, hers, his, his, his, his, his, his... That's every one (me, wife, 3 kids) have a laptop and I have a few more. Hard to see getting by on just ONE computer. I think there is a world market for maybe five computers. -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Dan wrote: There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Heh... And we all know what happened to Digital Equipment! snort JT (Who remembers them having B-I-G plans for a plant near my home..) Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrCsp6Vb0riuSMFeLz7q5rUOufuWt0zcQmNmPkxUK3sShKZMwZC/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:27 AM, James Therrault wrote: On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Dan wrote: There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Heh... And we all know what happened to Digital Equipment! snort Swallowed in the merger mania of the 90's. Compaq ate DEC and was eaten by HP. HP came REAL close to looking like this: http://tinyurl.com/aucfb We still have major campus systems running on OpenVMS. DEC will be with us a long long time. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
Dan wrote: At 10:44 PM -0700 9/3/2009, Clark Martin wrote: His Hers Macs Yup! Absolutely a necessity! ... and the kids too!! We all have aging Macs that work very well and afford some level of privacy. His and hers Macs??? What an odd concept. Here it's his, hers, hers, hers, hers, his, his, his, his, his, his... That's every one (me, wife, 3 kids) have a laptop and I have a few more. Hard to see getting by on just ONE computer. I think there is a world market for maybe five computers. -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 I always snicker at Tom Hanks line in Apollo 13 when he's escorting congresscritters around and is talking about a computer that fits on a desk You gotta really hand it to Ken Olson there for being such a visionary. :) At least the others had little data to work on. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Clark Martin wrote: There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 You gotta really hand it to Ken Olson there for being such a visionary. :) At least the others had little data to work on. You also have to realize that in 1977 'a computer in your home' http://oldcomputers.net/altair.html couldn't do a whole lot, and Ken was selling systems the size of a refrigerator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pdp-11-40.jpg which were known as 'minicomputers'. A 'computer' to Olson, meant one of these http://www.the-adam.com/adam/rantrave/ibm_360.jpg . Even the Apple II (introduced in 1977) really couldn't do much in 1977. It wasn't until Apple Writer and Visicalc were introduced in 1979 that personal computers really turned into something other than a hobbyists toy. There was Electric Pencil, which came out in 1976 and was the first electronic word processing program, but getting it working on the systems of the day was, shall we say, less than user- friendly. Visicalc didn't require you know how to do anything but plug things in and turn it on. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
