Re: Java vs Mozilla
Hi Just to add my tongue into this. I have Firefox 3.0.3 (updated last night) and running 10.4.11 and Java is running fine - haven't noticed any Java problem with any release of Firefox 3. I have tried all 5 betas prior to official release too and not a Java problem in these. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 23 2008, Dan wrote: At 3:34 PM -0400 10/23/2008, John Musbach wrote: >On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First, it does not pass the "does that make sense" test. Firefox 3 >> has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not >> to mention the nightly builds etc. Surely, if there were a TOTAL >> java failure such as you describe, someone would have noticed! > >Perhaps you should consider reading before flaming My post stands as-is. You reported that Java in Firefox is totally broken, without details. You didn't post in a forum asking for assistance -- you posted a definitive claim with no details in a BUG TRAC. There is a BIG difference between asking for support and filing a detailess definitive bug report. >other people are experiencing this issue Are they? I see they have issues. But without details *from you*, I have no way of telling if they're having the SAME issue as you. >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041208225636798 You're on a MacBook, running Leopard. How is that related to Panther? Moot (below). > > http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&comments_parentId=76259&forumId=1 Ok. Some people there are having some difficulties, but none there post details. Not much of a help. >It's not that no one else has this problem, it just seems like >Mozilla would rather sweep the issue under the carpet instead of >fixing the issue which I find very disappointing. How exactly are they "sweeping it under the rug"? >Now I don't intend this to be a flame war nor do I want it to be, so >if you intend to followup with another flame then please don't say >anything Dan. We don't need this list cluttered up with senseless >flames. Neither do I. And I don't mean to "pick on you"... I'm trying to get you to dig in and provide properly thought out details so that someone here can help you come up with a solution, or at least nail things down enough to provide a properly detailed bug report. "Properly detailed" is the key - it is what will get a developer's attention. Overcoming the "worksforme" flag is NOT easy. So... again: IF you're not seeing that, then I would suggest you dig deeper in your own Mac. Do you have an overzealous (ad) blocker running? A corrupted cache? Try a different/new user account. Try the beta. etc Also... Have you changed any of the Java Preference settings? Have you done anything else that would interfere with Firefox using Java on your Mac? Remember... things DO work right for others. So there MUST be some difference on YOUR setup. It's that difference we need to nail. FWIW, - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Java vs Mozilla
At 3:34 PM -0400 10/23/2008, John Musbach wrote: >On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First, it does not pass the "does that make sense" test. Firefox 3 >> has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not >> to mention the nightly builds etc. Surely, if there were a TOTAL >> java failure such as you describe, someone would have noticed! > >Perhaps you should consider reading before flaming My post stands as-is. You reported that Java in Firefox is totally broken, without details. You didn't post in a forum asking for assistance -- you posted a definitive claim with no details in a BUG TRAC. There is a BIG difference between asking for support and filing a detailess definitive bug report. >other people are experiencing this issue Are they? I see they have issues. But without details *from you*, I have no way of telling if they're having the SAME issue as you. >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041208225636798 You're on a MacBook, running Leopard. How is that related to Panther? Moot (below). >http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&comments_parentId=76259&forumId=1 Ok. Some people there are having some difficulties, but none there post details. Not much of a help. >It's not that no one else has this problem, it just seems like >Mozilla would rather sweep the issue under the carpet instead of >fixing the issue which I find very disappointing. How exactly are they "sweeping it under the rug"? >Now I don't intend this to be a flame war nor do I want it to be, so >if you intend to followup with another flame then please don't say >anything Dan. We don't need this list cluttered up with senseless >flames. Neither do I. And I don't mean to "pick on you"... I'm trying to get you to dig in and provide properly thought out details so that someone here can help you come up with a solution, or at least nail things down enough to provide a properly detailed bug report. "Properly detailed" is the key - it is what will get a developer's attention. Overcoming the "worksforme" flag is NOT easy. So... again: IF you're not seeing that, then I would suggest you dig deeper in your own Mac. Do you have an overzealous (ad) blocker running? A corrupted cache? Try a different/new user account. Try the beta. etc Also... Have you changed any of the Java Preference settings? Have you done anything else that would interfere with Firefox using Java on your Mac? Remember... things DO work right for others. So there MUST be some difference on YOUR setup. It's that difference we need to nail. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Java vs Mozilla
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First, it does not pass the "does that make sense" test. Firefox 3 > has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not > to mention the nightly builds etc. Surely, if there were a TOTAL > java failure such as you describe, someone would have noticed! Perhaps you should consider reading before flaming, other people are experiencing this issue (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041208225636798 and http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&comments_parentId=76259&forumId=1 among others). It's not that no one else has this problem, it just seems like Mozilla would rather sweep the issue under the carpet instead of fixing the issue which I find very disappointing. Now I don't intend this to be a flame war nor do I want it to be, so if you intend to followup with another flame then please don't say anything Dan. We don't need this list cluttered up with senseless flames. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Java vs Mozilla
In the recent Adobe Flash thread, John interjected: At 10:00 AM -0400 10/23/2008, John Musbach wrote: > >I don't have this problem Then STOP. Please DO NOT hijack threads. If you are having a different difficulty, start a NEW thread. >but what annoys me is Mozilla ignoring the issue of Firefox 3 not >properly rendering Java applets. The bugzilla report is /still/ >unconfirmed by any developer >(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458600) >which is disappointing, maybe if more people would vote for the bug >the developers would give the issue a higher priority... Ok. IF I were a Mozilla developer, after viewing that report, I would simply shake my head, and if I had time, mark it as closed - worksforme. You say: "Visiting any website that uses Java will result in everything but the Java applet properly rendering. In fact, the Java applet does not even initialize " First, it does not pass the "does that make sense" test. Firefox 3 has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not to mention the nightly builds etc. Surely, if there were a TOTAL java failure such as you describe, someone would have noticed! Between my Smurf (OS X 10.4.11) and an x86 iMac (OS X 10.5.5), I've just hit half a dozen pages with Java applets. They all work just fine in Safari 3, WebKit, Firefox 3.0.3, and Firefox 3.1b2. In Firefox, the applets don't display the cheezy gray coffee "logo" while they're loading. Instead there is a text thing on the window's bottom bar that tracks the load by percentage. Once it hits 100%, the browser sits there while the applet itself starts up, then it runs normally. IF you're not seeing that, then I would suggest you dig deeper in your own Mac. Do you have an overzealous (ad) blocker running? A corrupted cache? Try a different/new user account. Try the beta. etc HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
