Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
- Original Message From: Ross olfec...@digizip.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:59:47 AM Subject: Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8?? Probably not good to post any information not needed, but a hardware serial number is not likely to prompt Apple to send free software to a pirate. Also I do not know of any Apple supported downloads for System 7.1 (very useful for some 68k Mac's) or any version of MacOS 8. The only version of MacOS 9 available I know of is the net boot version at: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243 And that version of OS 9 needs a little help (well documented in the archives) to be installed and made operational for the Mac's covered on this list. --glen So, you agree that Apple isn't giving out free software to pirates, and as already pointed out, MacOS 6.x, 7.x, 8.x through 9.2.x are available from Apple as a free download. Albeit, two Netboot extensions have to be removed, either by use of Disk Utility or Pacifist prior to burning a CD, or by deleting them from the System Folder/Extensions folder after installation of OS 9 Netboot, in order to make the OS 9 Netboot install a normal running version of OS 9. Trivial at best. The point being Mike is just a little paranoid and overzealous, and is stretching the truth about his conversation with Apple, while you are also wrong about the MacOS downloads available from Apple at the link given by Kris, and you acknowledge the availability of OS 9 at the link you have given (free from Apple, is it not?). Also, giving out the hardware serial number doesn't magically empower anyone to anything except, perhaps, hysterical apoplexy. Yeah, I agree Apple is not giving out free software to pirates, seems obvious thou. I would like to thank Kris for that link above he provided . Once I had the link and then lost it; a great resource for older Mac's users. If I'm wrong about the MacOS downloads (certainly not the first time) where do I find the Apple download link System 7.1 (68k Mac's) 7.6 OS 8.0, or 8.5. The link above to Apple older download provides many updates to those systems but not the base systems. AFAIK you still have to buy them to get a legal copy. My understanding is the last system Apple release for free was 7.5 with upgrades; Mac OS 9 Netboot being the exception, of course I could be wrong again. It seems I was also wrong about something else but can't figure out what that was. Peace, --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
On Dec 1, 11:19 pm, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 2, 2:02 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Huh? The serial # isn't a system software serial, it's the hardware serial to the specific Mac you own. Exactly. And that's where the problem is because someone can call up Apple and request support and software restore disks for this particular Mac with it's serial #. The only person that could be hurt is you, and that's incredibly unlikely. If you think this is a problem, give a specific example of how the hardware serial # can be used maliciously. Not unlikely at all. These types of posts get reprimanded and or edited all the time on Apple's discussions.(-Very quickly too I might add.) It's a very common practice of users too phone Apple as I've called Apple myself with a support request for My G3 about getting it's original software install. They didn't have it but they where willing to offer Mac OS X 10.3. I declined as I was interested in Mac OS 8.6 and they didn't have it. -Mike Sorry Mike, but I believe you are full of crap. Apple has MacOS from 6.0 through 9.2 available for download from the Apple support site. If you are talking about original CDs for your G3, neither Apple nor anyone else offers them for free; Apple stopped producing them long ago, and after market sources are the only alternative to downloading and burning your own from the Apple supplied disk images. That Apple offered you OS X 10.3.x is a credit to Apple, and if Apple sees fit to offer software to end users for free, that is their business and none of yours. A trip to any second hand dealer who carries Apple systems will yield as many hardware serial numbers a person could want. Ebay sellers frequently cite the system serial number of systems they hold for sale so the potential buyer can check the serial number for date, location of manufacture and the list of equipment it shipped with originally, and provides the buyer the certainty he got the system he bid on. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:26 PM, glen wrote: Also I do not know of any Apple supported downloads for System 7.1 (very useful for some 68k Mac's) or any version of MacOS 8. http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
Probably not good to post any information not needed, but a hardware serial number is not likely to prompt Apple to send free software to a pirate. Also I do not know of any Apple supported downloads for System 7.1 (very useful for some 68k Mac's) or any version of MacOS 8. The only version of MacOS 9 available I know of is the net boot version at: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243 And that version of OS 9 needs a little help (well documented in the archives) to be installed and made operational for the Mac's covered on this list. --glen So, you agree that Apple isn't giving out free software to pirates, and as already pointed out, MacOS 6.x, 7.x, 8.x through 9.2.x are available from Apple as a free download. Albeit, two Netboot extensions have to be removed, either by use of Disk Utility or Pacifist prior to burning a CD, or by deleting them from the System Folder/Extensions folder after installation of OS 9 Netboot, in order to make the OS 9 Netboot install a normal running version of OS 9. Trivial at best. The point being Mike is just a little paranoid and overzealous, and is stretching the truth about his conversation with Apple, while you are also wrong about the MacOS downloads available from Apple at the link given by Kris, and you acknowledge the availability of OS 9 at the link you have given (free from Apple, is it not?). Also, giving out the hardware serial number doesn't magically empower anyone to anything except, perhaps, hysterical apoplexy. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: SYBA SD-PCXSA2-2E2R PCI-X 2X eSATA + 2X INTERNAL SATA II Card softRAID with SILICON IMAGE SIL3124 CHIPSET Please let me know as I don't want to return the card if it will work fine in 10.5.8 I've used the SYBA card with the SIL3124 chipset in an early 2005 dual 2.3 PowerMac G5, but it was slightly before 10.5.8, probably 10.5.6 or so. It works fine with the Silicon Image kernel extensions installed, but since it needs the extensions it is not useable for booting, it only works as storage. I keep waiting for someone to grab the old XPostFacto code and create a Boot Helper that can pass off the boot to normally unbootable devices, but so far no one has done this. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
The Serial # needs to be removed from this post. It's not in good practice to give it on message boards model # is OK. Serial # is a major no no as pirating from Apple and benefits from them could possibly be taken un-rightfully. This hurts us all in the end. ~Mike On Dec 1, 4:28 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: SYBA SD-PCXSA2-2E2R PCI-X 2X eSATA + 2X INTERNAL SATA II Card softRAID with SILICON IMAGE SIL3124 CHIPSET Please let me know as I don't want to return the card if it will work fine in 10.5.8 Thanks, Jeff My Machine: Hardware Overview: Model Name: Power Mac G5 Model Identifier: PowerMac7,3 Processor Name: PowerPC G5 (3.1) Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz Number Of CPUs: 2 L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 3 GB Bus Speed: 1.15 GHz Boot ROM Version: 5.2.4f1 Serial Number (system): ** Hardware UUID: --1000-8000-001124881EFE -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Michael G.M. wrote: The Serial # needs to be removed from this post. It's not in good practice to give it on message boards model # is OK. Serial # is a major no no as pirating from Apple and benefits from them could possibly be taken un-rightfully. This hurts us all in the end. Huh? The serial # isn't a system software serial, it's the hardware serial to the specific Mac you own. The only person that could be hurt is you, and that's incredibly unlikely. If you think this is a problem, give a specific example of how the hardware serial # can be used maliciously. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anybody tried this card in 10.5.8??
On Dec 2, 2:02 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Huh? The serial # isn't a system software serial, it's the hardware serial to the specific Mac you own. Exactly. And that's where the problem is because someone can call up Apple and request support and software restore disks for this particular Mac with it's serial #. The only person that could be hurt is you, and that's incredibly unlikely. If you think this is a problem, give a specific example of how the hardware serial # can be used maliciously. Not unlikely at all. These types of posts get reprimanded and or edited all the time on Apple's discussions.(-Very quickly too I might add.) It's a very common practice of users too phone Apple as I've called Apple myself with a support request for My G3 about getting it's original software install. They didn't have it but they where willing to offer Mac OS X 10.3. I declined as I was interested in Mac OS 8.6 and they didn't have it. -Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
