Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Oops, forgot to RTFM!  Perhaps it will work better when I do what the
>> instructions say to do.
>
> Yes. Another thing. It only does the specific playlist and selection,
> so to do your entire music collection you need to be in your "Music"
> and then "select all" and only THEN run the iTunes Art-less script.

I'm happy to report that all my iTunes artwork is now back in place.   
Ended up only having to download a couple of images.  Just had to  
click the next button about a million times and click on get info  
when an image was missing.  This got most of them back, but sometimes  
I had to play around with show in finder and then click on play in  
iTunes.

Now the random song switch has returned.  Song will be playing fine  
and then all of a sudden in the middle of the song it will switch to  
the next song.  I give up,

Just a message from Doug...




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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Oops, forgot to RTFM!  Perhaps it will work better when I do what the
>> instructions say to do.
>
> Yes. Another thing. It only does the specific playlist and selection,
> so to do your entire music collection you need to be in your "Music"
> and then "select all" and only THEN run the iTunes Art-less script.

Did as the instructions said, copied the script to the location it  
said to, but I still get the error no matter what I do.  The error  
seems to have something to do with creating the playlist as all of  
the files with missing artwork are listed in the error message.  It  
just won't actually create the playlist in iTunes.

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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Kris Tilford]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Doug Burton wrote:

> Oops, forgot to RTFM!  Perhaps it will work better when I do what the
> instructions say to do.

Yes. Another thing. It only does the specific playlist and selection,  
so to do your entire music collection you need to be in your "Music"  
and then "select all" and only THEN run the iTunes Art-less script.


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Kris Tilford]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 2:38 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> Yes ... I'm able to hear the difference ... I usually encode at 256  
> bit
> mp3, too ... mainly because I just don't want to miss anything ... and
> I walk my dog using over the ear headphones ... yes, a bit geeky
> looking ... I'm going for sound, not sight ...
>
> I also believe there are sounds that we humanoids cannot "hear" ...
> that may possibly push around those we can hear ... so affect what we
> do hear ...
>
> Well ... something like that ...

I hear you.

Apple lossless of .flac is better than any .mp3.

I disagree about allowing iTunes to catalog your music. I've never had  
any problems, but again, I'm very engaged with my iTunes and  
understand it's functionality better than 99% of people. At least  
iTunes uses normal files and folder names so that you can manually  
navigate the collection if necessary. One hard to spot problem is if  
the iTunes Library index looses track of music you have, but there is  
a script that can find any discrepancies in your iTunes Library. I've  
only needed it once, when I was a neophyte and thought I could merge  
two libraries that were disjoint by simply dragging the 2nd library's  
music folders into the other's collection. Didn't work, but luckily it  
was relatively easy to fix.


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Part of it came from wherever iTunes gets the artwork from when it
>> searches, but a lot of it was missing, so I took the time, a lot of
>> time, to make sure each song had the proper artwork.
>
> I'm also very obsessive about my iTunes art (& lyrics). I have K score
> tracks, less than 500 are missing art. The vast majority of these
> can't accept art (.pdf, .flac, .ogg, mpeg, wav, etc.). I use a script
> called "iTunes Find Artwork-less" that locates all tracks without art
> and place them into a playlist so you can fix this. It works fine for
> me in iTunes 8. You can get this script and some other helpful scripts
> here:
>
> 
>
> PS - I mentioned .pdf not accepting art, most people don't realize
> iTunes accepts PDF files. This is great for CDs that have accompanying
> leaflets or printed material which is often available in .pdf format
> already.

Oops, forgot to RTFM!  Perhaps it will work better when I do what the  
instructions say to do.

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Part of it came from wherever iTunes gets the artwork from when it
>> searches, but a lot of it was missing, so I took the time, a lot of
>> time, to make sure each song had the proper artwork.
>
> I'm also very obsessive about my iTunes art (& lyrics). I have K score
> tracks, less than 500 are missing art. The vast majority of these
> can't accept art (.pdf, .flac, .ogg, mpeg, wav, etc.). I use a script
> called "iTunes Find Artwork-less" that locates all tracks without art
> and place them into a playlist so you can fix this. It works fine for
> me in iTunes 8. You can get this script and some other helpful scripts
> here:
>
> 
>
> PS - I mentioned .pdf not accepting art, most people don't realize
> iTunes accepts PDF files. This is great for CDs that have accompanying
> leaflets or printed material which is often available in .pdf format
> already.

Doesn't work for me in iTunes 8.  I get a script error and list so  
long the only way to close it is to force quit Apple script.  Does  
seem to list the missing ones in the error message, but not much help  
to me that way.  Thanks anyway Kris.

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Kris Tilford]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:

> Part of it came from wherever iTunes gets the artwork from when it
> searches, but a lot of it was missing, so I took the time, a lot of
> time, to make sure each song had the proper artwork.

I'm also very obsessive about my iTunes art (& lyrics). I have K score  
tracks, less than 500 are missing art. The vast majority of these  
can't accept art (.pdf, .flac, .ogg, mpeg, wav, etc.). I use a script  
called "iTunes Find Artwork-less" that locates all tracks without art  
and place them into a playlist so you can fix this. It works fine for  
me in iTunes 8. You can get this script and some other helpful scripts  
here:



PS - I mentioned .pdf not accepting art, most people don't realize  
iTunes accepts PDF files. This is great for CDs that have accompanying  
leaflets or printed material which is often available in .pdf format  
already.

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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:38 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>>
>>> Now I'm curious as to why your collection is in the form of aiff?
>>> Being a musician is your ear that good to hear the difference  
>>> between
>>> aiff and 192 bit MP3?  I would think a decent sized collection would
>>> take some serious HD space using that format.
>>
>> I'm working on making my collection decent ... mostly Jazz ... that's
>> why I don't want to copy it into the iTunes Library area ... just
>> leave
>> it where I initially put it ... some accept Album Artwork ... and  
>> some
>> do not (7.7.1 ???)
>>
>> Yes ... I'm able to hear the difference ... I usually encode at 256
>> bit
>> mp3, too ... mainly because I just don't want to miss anything ...  
>> and
>> I walk my dog using over the ear headphones ... yes, a bit geeky
>> looking ... I'm going for sound, not sight ...
>>
>> I also believe there are sounds that we humanoids cannot "hear" ...
>> that may possibly push around those we can hear ... so affect what we
>> do hear ...
>>
>> Well ... something like that ...
>
> Did you know that iTunes and "import" music and leave it in aiff
> format? I have been slowly (very slowly) ripping my LPs using a
> decent Denon turntable and Hafler preamp and an iMic. I save them in
> aiff format and import them into iTunes in that format. Now I will
> admit that I do not have an MP3 player so the space issue is not as
> critical, but I can hear the difference between a ripped file at 192
> and the original aiff burned to a CD and played in my car (at least
> when stopped).
>
> And yes, I also believe the sounds and harmonics above and below the
> range of human hearing do affect what you actually hear.
>
> Len

As I said before, I agree that those sounds we cannot hear do affect  
what is heard, but if I am unable to tell the difference, why would I  
invest in the additional HD space required to house 4500 songs  
recorded in their original format?  My home studio consists of mostly  
Fisher equipment with JBL studio monitors and while not absolute  
audiophile quality, the sound is good enough for me to determine a  
difference in quality sufficient for any other listening  
environment.  After encoding all of my LP, cassette and CD collection  
into 192 bit MP3's any new acquisitions are ripped using iTunes at  
192 and the resulting files are stored on my file server.  If I  
require the music in a CD format I will use iTunes or Toast to make  
create a CD from the MP3 files.  Naturally the CD's are used mostly  
for the car, with the Sansa handling my at work needs.  This is  
sufficient for ME.  YMMV

BTW Len, I noticed you included the disclaimer about the car being  
stopped, how often do you just sit in your stopped car when you want  
to listen to music?  I think you will agree that most music listened  
to in the car is when you are moving and then it's mostly impossible  
to tell the difference, even for the audiophiles!  8^)

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Dana Collins]

On 9/13/08 4:37 PM, Len Gerstel of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent



> Did you know that iTunes and "import" music and leave it in aiff
> format? Etc...
 
> And yes, I also believe the sounds and harmonics above and below the
> range of human hearing do affect what you actually hear.
> 
> Len

Yes, they do. That's why we have LFOs (low freq. oscillators) and the
ability to generate "pink noise". Acoustics = way cool!
-Dana



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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Len Gerstel]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:38 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Now I'm curious as to why your collection is in the form of aiff?
>> Being a musician is your ear that good to hear the difference between
>> aiff and 192 bit MP3?  I would think a decent sized collection would
>> take some serious HD space using that format.
>
> I'm working on making my collection decent ... mostly Jazz ... that's
> why I don't want to copy it into the iTunes Library area ... just  
> leave
> it where I initially put it ... some accept Album Artwork ... and some
> do not (7.7.1 ???)
>
> Yes ... I'm able to hear the difference ... I usually encode at 256  
> bit
> mp3, too ... mainly because I just don't want to miss anything ... and
> I walk my dog using over the ear headphones ... yes, a bit geeky
> looking ... I'm going for sound, not sight ...
>
> I also believe there are sounds that we humanoids cannot "hear" ...
> that may possibly push around those we can hear ... so affect what we
> do hear ...
>
> Well ... something like that ...

Did you know that iTunes and "import" music and leave it in aiff  
format? I have been slowly (very slowly) ripping my LPs using a  
decent Denon turntable and Hafler preamp and an iMic. I save them in  
aiff format and import them into iTunes in that format. Now I will  
admit that I do not have an MP3 player so the space issue is not as  
critical, but I can hear the difference between a ripped file at 192  
and the original aiff burned to a CD and played in my car (at least  
when stopped).

And yes, I also believe the sounds and harmonics above and below the  
range of human hearing do affect what you actually hear.

Len

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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:38 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>> Now I'm curious as to why your collection is in the form of aiff?
>> Being a musician is your ear that good to hear the difference between
>> aiff and 192 bit MP3?  I would think a decent sized collection would
>> take some serious HD space using that format.
>
> I'm working on making my collection decent ... mostly Jazz ... that's
> why I don't want to copy it into the iTunes Library area ... just  
> leave
> it where I initially put it ... some accept Album Artwork ... and some
> do not (7.7.1 ???)

This puzzles me a bit.  What exactly do you mean by the iTunes  
Library area?  Just putting it in your library doesn't mean you have  
to move the actual files.  Under preferences>advanced just uncheck  
the box which directs iTunes to copy files added to the library to  
the music folder.  This is always the first thing I do on any new OS  
install.  My files reside on my file server back in another room so  
naturally I don't want them moved either.
>
> Yes ... I'm able to hear the difference ... I usually encode at 256  
> bit
> mp3, too ... mainly because I just don't want to miss anything ... and
> I walk my dog using over the ear headphones ... yes, a bit geeky
> looking ... I'm going for sound, not sight ...

Not geeky to me, I hate those "earbuds"!  They won't stay in and the  
sound is not that good either.  I only use the over the ears type also.
>
> I also believe there are sounds that we humanoids cannot "hear" ...
> that may possibly push around those we can hear ... so affect what we
> do hear ...
>
> Well ... something like that ...
>
> Bill Connelly

Also agree on this, but so far my ears have not been able to tell the  
difference between an MP3 encoded at 192 bits and the real thing.   
Now I can definitely hear a difference at 128 and 160 sometimes, but  
never been able to at 192.

I use a Sansa e280 mp3 player at work, upgraded to 16 gb, and in  
order to accommodate my entire collection, I found it necessary to re- 
encode to music into 96 bit wma files.  The sound is good enough to  
drown out the constant chattering of the women to work near me.   
Sorry ladies, nothing personal, even the other women who work there  
complain about these two!

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[insightinmind]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote:

> Now I'm curious as to why your collection is in the form of aiff?
> Being a musician is your ear that good to hear the difference between
> aiff and 192 bit MP3?  I would think a decent sized collection would
> take some serious HD space using that format.

I'm working on making my collection decent ... mostly Jazz ... that's 
why I don't want to copy it into the iTunes Library area ... just leave 
it where I initially put it ... some accept Album Artwork ... and some 
do not (7.7.1 ???)

Yes ... I'm able to hear the difference ... I usually encode at 256 bit 
mp3, too ... mainly because I just don't want to miss anything ... and 
I walk my dog using over the ear headphones ... yes, a bit geeky 
looking ... I'm going for sound, not sight ...

I also believe there are sounds that we humanoids cannot "hear" ... 
that may possibly push around those we can hear ... so affect what we 
do hear ...

Well ... something like that ...

Bill Connelly
Musician and Painter
artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/
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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[Doug Burton]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
>
>>
>> Does someone at Apple get their jollies from screwing around with
>> iTunes?  I worked long and hard to get all of the album artwork for
>> my collection and now that I've upgraded to 8.0, half of it's
>> missing!  All of this for genius?  Yeah, real genius losing my
>> artwork, way to go Apple.
>
> I haven't been privileged to the genius of iTunes 8 (I've ordered  
> Tiger
> for my PowerMac 8500/9500, and I haven't touched my Leopardized
> Quicksilver 2002 yet) ... but is all your artwork coming from the
> iTunes Store?
>
> When it searches to Get Album Artwork ... would it replace that which
> is already there?
>
> Just curious ...

Part of it came from wherever iTunes gets the artwork from when it  
searches, but a lot of it was missing, so I took the time, a lot of  
time, to make sure each song had the proper artwork.  I have about  
4500 tunes in my personal library and needless to say was a bit  
ticked when a lot of it was missing.  I am happy to report that some  
of it has come back as the songs play (I use party shuffle when I  
listen), but some hasn't returned.  I have been watching for missing  
artwork as the songs appear in the display and for the missing ones I  
have been going into the library and pulling up that album.  Usually  
by clicking on info for the first song in the album, the artwork will  
then reappear, but that hasn't worked for every one that is missing  
and I suppose I will just have to find a good image on the web yet  
again to fix them.
>
> In 7.7.1, some aiff files would accept iTunes Artwork, some not. And I
> had to allow copying of those aiffs to the iTunes Library folder,
> before it would accept artwork from any source.
>
> Guess going from 7.7.1 to 8 offers more surprises ...
>
> Bill Connelly

Now I'm curious as to why your collection is in the form of aiff?   
Being a musician is your ear that good to hear the difference between  
aiff and 192 bit MP3?  I would think a decent sized collection would  
take some serious HD space using that format.

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Artwork missing in iTunes 8.0

[insightinmind]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Doug Burton wrote:

>
> Does someone at Apple get their jollies from screwing around with
> iTunes?  I worked long and hard to get all of the album artwork for
> my collection and now that I've upgraded to 8.0, half of it's
> missing!  All of this for genius?  Yeah, real genius losing my
> artwork, way to go Apple.

I haven't been privileged to the genius of iTunes 8 (I've ordered Tiger 
for my PowerMac 8500/9500, and I haven't touched my Leopardized 
Quicksilver 2002 yet) ... but is all your artwork coming from the 
iTunes Store?

When it searches to Get Album Artwork ... would it replace that which 
is already there?

Just curious ...

In 7.7.1, some aiff files would accept iTunes Artwork, some not. And I 
had to allow copying of those aiffs to the iTunes Library folder, 
before it would accept artwork from any source.

Guess going from 7.7.1 to 8 offers more surprises ...

Bill Connelly
Musician and Painter
artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/
myspace.com:  http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio


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