Re: Clouds for Mac's
On Feb 4, 2011, at 11:34 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Do I need a card to set up a raid array? and if say I made 2 6TB drives can I CCC one to the other instaed of the mirror type? Yes and no. You can create a 'soft' RAID with Apple's Disk Utility; it supports RAID 1 and 2 only IIRC. For higher levels of RAID you need a dedicated controller (and a bunch of disks). -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
RAID arrays can be intimidating, but they're a nice way to aggregate storage into one pool. Depending on how you configure them, you can create just a bigger volume, or something that has some redundancy in it - for better data protection in case a mechanism fails. I think Wikipedia has a nice description of the various types of RAID. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Do I need a card to set up a raid array? and if say I made 2 6TB drives can I CCC one to the other instaed of the mirror type? John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From my TiBook 667 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
On Feb 4, 2011, at 2:11 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Exactly. If John has 10TB internal, the next step is either a series of external drives or to use another Mac as a server. My main Mac is a pro, but I have a number off MDD G4s, one of whom has no monitor, I view it over network, and use it to host more drive space. 2 SATA cards and it's good for 8/12TB. Limited only by local network speed. I like the idea of the the MDD as a server. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
On Feb 4, 3:51 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: Then there's the question of whether you want to trust a company with your music and photos - a company that could potentially go defunct, and take your data with them. that's just part of the issue. not to sound TOO paranoid/conspiracy nut-like, your data is much more vulnerable to peeping tom's, big brother and otherwise, and before you throw encryption back at me, i'm here to tell you that is a farce, and nothing more than a feel-good pacifier, like a home security system. there are degrees of difficulty to crack encryption, but NONE are impossible, it just depends on what a would-be hacker is willing to invest. and any encryption based on factoring large primes is a TOTAL illusion. the gov't pushed that form of encryption precisely because they secretly had an algorithm to crack any factoring problem quickly, and they were very upset when a mathematician published results along those same lines. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
Then there's the question of whether you want to trust a company with your music and photos - a company that could potentially go defunct, and take your data with them. and any encryption based on factoring large primes is a TOTAL illusion. the gov't pushed that form of encryption precisely because they secretly had an algorithm to crack any factoring problem quickly, and they were very upset when a mathematician published results along those same lines. BUT ... in order to facilitate that fast-factoring algorithm, the government arbitrarily restricted the encryption key to 56 bits, down from 64 bits in the original DES specification. Today's encryption keys are 128 bits, or more. However, the government is no longer using IBM System/370 Model 168 and Amdahl 470 V/6 mainframes for cracking codes; they're now using arbitrarily large clusters of very fast x86 PCs. https://computing.llnl.gov/linux/yaci.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
On 4 Feb 2011, at 06:56:01 PST, John Carmonne wrote: I'm wondering if someone has subscribed to one of the Cloud Services for their PPC Mac's and in what capacity. What I'd like to know is if these services can replace having multiple HDD's to transfer files such as iTunes and iPhoto libraries, or would it be too slow. Also could I store a CCC's on the Cloud? My G5 PM has 5 HDD's and I'd like to retire a lot of external drives, they get a little hard to keep track of and never seem to be big enough.:-) --- I have used the free version of DropBox a little. Only 2gig, but the price is right to experiment. Seems to work fine, but as for longevity and reliability, can't say. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
At 6:56 AM -0800 2/4/2011, John Carmonne wrote: I'm wondering if someone has subscribed to one of the Cloud Services for their PPC Mac's and in what capacity. Personally, I like Dropbox because of its automatic sync type features. But there are other forms of cloud storage available - that smell like a remotely mounted disk volume, for example, for a price. What I'd like to know is if these services can replace having multiple HDD's to transfer files such as iTunes and iPhoto libraries, or would it be too slow. Also could I store a CCC's on the Cloud? First, read the How to make a solid Mac backup plan thread on the LEM iMac list. Reliability and security issues aside... The cloud services are no faster than your internet connection, and often much slower. (eg: Amazon's S3 cloud was under attack a while ago, so throughput to/from it dropped from Mbps to low Kbps). If you were willing to pay for that much storage, yes you could keep entire disk images, libraries, etc there. I really don't recommend it tho. IMO it seems dumb to pay their prices when HDs are so inexpensive. My G5 PM has 5 HDD's and I'd like to retire a lot of external drives, they get a little hard to keep track of and never seem to be big enough.:-) But they're physically in your possesion and you can do whatever you need to maintain them without depending on the largess of a 3rd party. Are these individual drives or a raid array? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
My G5 PM has 5 HDD's and I'd like to retire a lot of external drives, they get a little hard to keep track of and never seem to be big enough.:-) But they're physically in your possesion and you can do whatever you need to maintain them without depending on the largess of a 3rd party. Are these individual drives or a raid array? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. They are individual, five Hitachi 2TB drives 3 with the aid of a Jive Five bracket. The Raid array's seem to not appeal to my limited expeirence on the subject John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From my TiBook 667 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
At 9:52 AM -0800 2/4/2011, John Carmonne wrote: They are individual, five Hitachi 2TB drives 3 with the aid of a Jive Five bracket. The Raid array's seem to not appeal to my limited expeirence on the subject RAID arrays can be intimidating, but they're a nice way to aggregate storage into one pool. Depending on how you configure them, you can create just a bigger volume, or something that has some redundancy in it - for better data protection in case a mechanism fails. I think Wikipedia has a nice description of the various types of RAID. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
If your external drives never seem big enough, then the Cloud is definitely not for you. Most services provide less than 100GB - and that's for a hefty monthly fee. Most of the free options are in the single digits GB-wise. Not only do cloud services provide a relatively small amount of storage space in relation to hard drives, they're slow. You're limited by the speed of your internet connection, which is no match for SATA or USB/FireWire. A 100GB iTunes library would take about 3 days at best to upload to the cloud over a 4mbps upstream internet connection. Then there's the question of whether you want to trust a company with your music and photos - a company that could potentially go defunct, and take your data with them. Just my .02. Chance On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm wondering if someone has subscribed to one of the Cloud Services for their PPC Mac's and in what capacity. What I'd like to know is if these services can replace having multiple HDD's to transfer files such as iTunes and iPhoto libraries, or would it be too slow. Also could I store a CCC's on the Cloud? My G5 PM has 5 HDD's and I'd like to retire a lot of external drives, they get a little hard to keep track of and never seem to be big enough.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
Exactly. If John has 10TB internal, the next step is either a series of external drives or to use another Mac as a server. My main Mac is a pro, but I have a number off MDD G4s, one of whom has no monitor, I view it over network, and use it to host more drive space. 2 SATA cards and it's good for 8/12TB. Limited only by local network speed. On Feb 4, 3:51 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: If your external drives never seem big enough, then the Cloud is definitely not for you. Most services provide less than 100GB - and that's for a hefty monthly fee. Most of the free options are in the single digits GB-wise. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
I would get a RAID docking station, 5, 1 or 2 TB HDDs and an eSATA card for your G5. 5 or 10 TB of storage should be plenty for anything you need. Or you can get a data center grade tape drive but that would be slow and expensive. I'm wondering if someone has subscribed to one of the Cloud Services for their PPC Mac's and in what capacity. What I'd like to know is if these services can replace having multiple HDD's to transfer files such as iTunes and iPhoto libraries, or would it be too slow. Also could I store a CCC's on the Cloud? My G5 PM has 5 HDD's and I'd like to retire a lot of external drives, they get a little hard to keep track of and never seem to be big enough.:-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
