Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport Date:Sunday, 06. January 2013 From:Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Wish I felt comfortable trying reseating the cpu with new thermal paste ... given the chance - I wouldn't mind trying. At least opening it up and looking would not harm, maybe. But I am sending it back for a refund. In this case I wouldn’t open it up. Going for a refund is propably the safest way… It's a bit over my level of expertise gained by changing a mobo in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz a few years ago ... now my cpu needs changing, if I could find one ... Didn’t you find a replacement processor module? There are always a couple of them floating around on eBay… Money is also a factor ... I had to borrow the funds thinking I didn't want to miss such a good deal ... it was worth a try. although I paid too much for it. If money is a factor, fast G4s and even faster G5s are the cheapest OS X machines you can buy. You should keep looking for either a G4 MDD/FW800 (I prefer the MDD as it can still boot into Mac OS 9.2.2 natively) or a replacement processor module for you QS. If you find a good deal for a G5 again: make your bet! A friend just suggested I consider a 1st or 2nd generation Mac Pro. I just might take him up on the idea ... and try moving my software into the Intel world, 1 expensive chunk at a time. Then I could keep up with the later generation OS Xs, if I wanted to, and have a cooler running machine. I wouldn’t suggest this. I’ve been thinking about it also, but there this issue with those Mac Pros that I don’t like at all: -- everymac.com --- Maximum MacOS: 10.7.x* *This system can run the last version of OS X 10.7 Lion if upgraded to at least 2 GB of RAM. However, although it has a 64-bit processor, it has a 32- bit EFI and cannot boot in 64-bit mode. It also does not support OpenCL running the default video card or the other build-to-order video cards that were offered via custom configuration. Please also note that OS X Lion is not capable of running Mac OS X apps originally written for the PowerPC processor as it does not support the Rosetta environment. -- everymac.com --- The first two series lack the 64-bit EFI, which prevents them from running in 64-bit, which prevents them from OpenCL, and which ultimately prevents them from being upgradable to OS X 10.8. If you go for a Mac Pro, go for a 2008 series or later. Check everymac.com before you buy: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/index-macpro.html The other problem: You may also want to be able to run Mac OS X 10.6 as it is the last to provide Rosetta. With Rosetta you can run PowerPC Mac OS X applications on an Intel Mac. In any case, I’d keep a G4 around for Classic… I know that’s not something that people like to hear, but to me it is just a way to get around the mess Apple left when they went the Mac Pro route: build your own Mac Pro /aka/ Hackintosh. If you do it right, you’ll have the Mac Pro that Apple should have made! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. I'm sorry this hasn't been stressed enough. Coolant leakage and low coolant is a common problem with these systems. This is STRONGLY indicated by the temperature readings on one CPU and by the temperature at shutdown. One CPU reading is FAR too hot, the other is far too cool. Something is definitely wrong with the cooling system or the temperature diodes. The quad G5 has a much lower rate of LCS failure or compromise than other liquid cooled G5s. If it were, say, a dual 2.5 like my folks', I agree I'd check the LCS first. But on this quad, I'd do the clean-up and thermal paste renewal first because you'll have to do it anyway, and it's more likely to be the issue. For relative failure rates, see this handy table: http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/pmg5.html Of the three quad G5s I have personally owned, none of them had an LCS issue. The one that's dead fried its logic board for some other reason, and the other two are still going strong. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- My Pink Floyd code: v1.2a s BO 1/0/pw tinG 0? 0 Relics 2 8 6mar98 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: The quad G5 has a much lower rate of LCS failure or compromise than other liquid cooled G5s. If it were, say, a dual 2.5 like my folks', I agree I'd check the LCS first. But on this quad, I'd do the clean-up and thermal paste renewal first because you'll have to do it anyway, and it's more likely to be the issue. For relative failure rates, see this handy table: http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/pmg5.html Of the three quad G5s I have personally owned, none of them had an LCS issue. The one that's dead fried its logic board for some other reason, and the other two are still going strong. Wish I felt comfortable trying reseating the cpu with new thermal paste ... given the chance - I wouldn't mind trying. But I am sending it back for a refund. It's a bit over my level of expertise gained by changing a mobo in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz a few years ago ... now my cpu needs changing, if I could find one ... Money is also a factor ... I had to borrow the funds thinking I didn't want to miss such a good deal ... it was worth a try. although I paid too much for it. A friend just suggested I consider a 1st or 2nd generation Mac Pro. I just might take him up on the idea ... and try moving my software into the Intel world, 1 expensive chunk at a time. Then I could keep up with the later generation OS Xs, if I wanted to, and have a cooler running machine. Thanks for all the great information. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
Il giorno 06/01/13 02:25, Bill Connelly ha scritto: Money is also a factor ... I had to borrow the funds thinking I didn't want to miss such a good deal ... it was worth a try. although I paid too much for it. A friend just suggested I consider a 1st or 2nd generation Mac Pro. I just might take him up on the idea ... and try moving my software into the Intel world, 1 expensive chunk at a time. Bill, if moneyis an issue, I humbly suggest to keep considering the G5 route. Just because you were disappointed, it doesn't mean G5s are usually that troublesome (for used hardware, anyway ;-). I've been using a G5 DP 2.7 GHz (with Delphi liquid cooling system), and it's a beautiful machine, fast and silent. Knocking on wood, I had it for 18 months and I hadn't a single problem (well, I had issues burning DVDs, but that due to Toast and not the hardware). Sure, a Mac Pro would be faster, more compatible with recent OSX, and sucking less power. On the other hand, you would have the added trouble of your old software compatibility... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
Sure, a Mac Pro would be faster, more compatible with recent OSX, and sucking less power. On the other hand, you would have the added trouble of your old software compatibility... I agree with Valter. The upgrade cost can be sizeable. Part of what keeps me on 10.4 is that I have Photoshop 7 (the last non-activated Photoshop), which does not work on 10.5, and many Classic apps I paid considerable money for back in the day such as QuarkXPress. Not only would I incur the cost of the new machine, but the headaches of the new software and the costs of buying it. At least I have an academic discount, but still, not cheap. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I see nothing! Nothing! -- Sgt. Schultz, Hogan's Heroes -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: Sure, a Mac Pro would be faster, more compatible with recent OSX, and sucking less power. On the other hand, you would have the added trouble of your old software compatibility... I agree with Valter. The upgrade cost can be sizeable. Part of what keeps me on 10.4 is that I have Photoshop 7 (the last non-activated Photoshop), which does not work on 10.5, and many Classic apps I paid considerable money for back in the day such as QuarkXPress. Not only would I incur the cost of the new machine, but the headaches of the new software and the costs of buying it. At least I have an academic discount, but still, not cheap. If you hear of any, like the air-cooled ones in the PCIs class, let me know. I believe they are air-cooled ... the 2.3GHz has been mainly of interest. Close to Lynchburg, VA where I might pick it up ... haha. If needed, I think I can buy a PCIe to PCI adapter? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On Jan 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. I'm sorry this hasn't been stressed enough. Coolant leakage and low coolant is a common problem with these systems. This is STRONGLY indicated by the temperature readings on one CPU and by the temperature at shutdown. One CPU reading is FAR too hot, the other is far too cool. Something is definitely wrong with the cooling system or the temperature diodes. The quad G5 has a much lower rate of LCS failure or compromise than other liquid cooled G5s. If it were, say, a dual 2.5 like my folks', I agree I'd check the LCS first. But on this quad, I'd do the clean-up and thermal paste renewal first because you'll have to do it anyway, and it's more likely to be the issue. For relative failure rates, see this handy table: http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/pmg5.html Of the three quad G5s I have personally owned, none of them had an LCS issue. The one that's dead fried its logic board for some other reason, and the other two are still going strong. On third thought, I agree. I think I would pull the CPU heatsink cover and see if the heatsink(s?) are loose with _very_ gentle side to side and up and down tugging. However, having just looked at this web page about disassembling a quad core heatsink http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_CoolantLeak_Repair/G5_CoolantLeak_Repair_p1.html#storytop , it is indeed more involved than my teardowns and rebuilds on my G5. However, if Bill can replace a motherboard or CPU and heatsink, he should be able to do this, with research on the web. I do urge you, Bill, the same as others here, to give it one last try before you give up on the G5. The Mac Pros have their own problems. Not that they are bad, just a different kettle of the same fish. Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. Hello All: I'm sorry this hasn't been stressed enough. Coolant leakage and low coolant is a common problem with these systems. This is STRONGLY indicated by the temperature readings on one CPU and by the temperature at shutdown. One CPU reading is FAR too hot, the other is far too cool. Something is definitely wrong with the cooling system or the temperature diodes. IBM gives a maximum operating temperature of 85 degress C for these CPUs. Apple has an onboard shutdown around 74-77 degrees. I have taken my air cooled dual G5 CPUs off three times and while tedious, it is not that hard. It may require slightly uncommon but available tools. Please run Apple System Diagnostic 2.6.3 on the system. Camerons' suggestion is an important part of diagnosing the problem. You might be able to get the Apple Store or an Apple Certified shop to do it for you. Barring that, take the side door off, the plastic air deflector off, and put a piece of cardboard in the same bottom slot that the small white reflector tape (on the plastic deflector door tab) is on (to stop the full speed fan behavior) and listen for signs of gurgling/air in the radiator and tubes during startup. If it needs to be taken apart, there are decent Youtube tutorials and internet sites/pages referenced at Lowendmac and www.xlr8yourmac.com. Maybe a Google search for PowerMac G5 coolant problem would help. You might look for someone in your area who would help. Ooops! Forgot about (don't remember), are all the fans spinning, plugged in correctly? Hope this helps. Bob PS If you want more information from me, please reply off list. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
Update: The PC Tech person reconnected all the wires, reseated the 11GB RAM, and hard drive connections, and such, and the machine started up for them. They were satisfied and sent it home with me. Then the same symptoms occurred for me: Shut down with Temperature Monitor showing A at 74°C, B at 34°C and eventually just a blank screen with LED red lights 1 and 6, and no action. It bothered me that the PC Tech person did not let it run a while ... (they were multi- tasking) ... Given all this: On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: At times it would run a while, but I noticed cpu temps were bad for cpu A 84°C and cpu B 24°C. So I shut it down. This is really bothering! Yes troubling, to say the least ... from a Diagnostic Dump found recently in the G5s log: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [7] CPU A1 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:21 CUR:95.2048 CNote Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [9] CPU A0 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:11 CUR:99.63488 C Note What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? (from an e-mail to a friend offlist) A final note for tonight. This reference may show what a possible solution is: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2159019?threadID=2159019 Basically: Clean out the deeply hidden dust-bunnies ... Over- heating solved ... machine will stay up. Maybe this would do it: remove the cpu cover, and carefully clean, Maybe remove the Heat SInk and attached cpus, and clean further. Remove the cpu card and clean there, reseating with fresh thermal paste and/or thermal pads. Check for Coolant Leaks. This is what I was asking for today, in addition to making sure all the electrical connections were secure. I did blow out considerable dust when I first got it ... and cleaned a fair amount off the radiator to the right of the double-fans which are in front of the RAM slots. But I did not go deeper into the cpu area. Perhaps a Certified Apple Technician, that knows about the Power Mac Quad Core 2.5Ghz, is what is needed for the deep cleaning of the cpu / cooling system check. Latest Best Guess. g3-g5 list Experts ... Comments welcomed. THX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On 1/3/13 02:34 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Update: The PC Tech person reconnected all the wires, reseated the 11GB RAM, and hard drive connections, and such, and the machine started up for them. They were satisfied and sent it home with me. Then the same symptoms occurred for me: Shut down with Temperature Monitor showing A at 74°C, B at 34°C and eventually just a blank screen with LED red lights 1 and 6, and no action. It bothered me that the PC Tech person did not let it run a while ... (they were multi-tasking) ... Given all this: On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: At times it would run a while, but I noticed cpu temps were bad for cpu A 84°C and cpu B 24°C. So I shut it down. This is really bothering! Yes troubling, to say the least ... from a Diagnostic Dump found recently in the G5s log: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [7] CPU A1 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:21 CUR:95.2048 C Note Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [9] CPU A0 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:11 CUR:99.63488 C Note What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? (from an e-mail to a friend offlist) A final note for tonight. This reference may show what a possible solution is: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2159019?threadID=2159019 Basically: Clean out the deeply hidden dust-bunnies ... Over-heating solved ... machine will stay up. Maybe this would do it: remove the cpu cover, and carefully clean, Maybe remove the Heat SInk and attached cpus, and clean further. Remove the cpu card and clean there, reseating with fresh thermal paste and/or thermal pads. Check for Coolant Leaks. This is what I was asking for today, in addition to making sure all the electrical connections were secure. I did blow out considerable dust when I first got it ... and cleaned a fair amount off the radiator to the right of the double-fans which are in front of the RAM slots. But I did not go deeper into the cpu area. Perhaps a Certified Apple Technician, that knows about the Power Mac Quad Core 2.5Ghz, is what is needed for the deep cleaning of the cpu / cooling system check. Latest Best Guess. g3-g5 list Experts ... Comments welcomed. THX Have you checked for house circuit load? We had a flakey breaker causing power problems (mobile home w/ G5 + 1 bedroom lites (bedroom) + PC tower -500 watt PS - WoW box + Window A/C + Microwave (in living room, dinning room, kitchen)). Finally ran extension cords to other side of trailer for computers, no problems now. I'll be glad when we get a real house built this year. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. -- Victor Borge --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport Date:Tuesday, 01. January 2013 From:Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At times it would run a while, but I noticed cpu temps were bad for cpu A 84°C and cpu B 24°C. So I shut it down. This is really bothering! Yes troubling, to say the least ... other Diagnostic Dump found recently in the G5s log: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin core dump: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: IOHWControls: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [0] DRIVE BAY A INTAKE Type:fan-rpm Id:0 TGT:1000 CUR:983 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [1] CPU A INTAKE Type:fan- rpm Id:2 TGT:1185 CUR:1315 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [2] CPU A EXHAUST Type:fan- rpm Id:4 TGT:1222 CUR:1350 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [3] CPU B INTAKE Type:fan- rpm Id:3 TGT:1185 CUR:1313 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [4] CPU B PUMP Type:fan- rpm Id:7 TGT:1374 CUR:2728 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [5] CPU B EXHAUST Type:fan- rpm Id:5 TGT:1222 CUR:1352 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [6] EXPANSION SLOTS INTAKE Type:fan-rpm Id:8 TGT:1560 CUR:1564 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [7] CPU A PUMP Type:fan- rpm Id:6 TGT:1374 CUR:2725 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [8] BACKSIDE Type:fan-rpm Id:1 TGT:1100 CUR:1102 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: IOHWSensors: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [0] CPU A0 POWER Type:power Id:13 CUR:44.53707 W Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [1] CPU A1 POWER Type:power Id:23 CUR:38.1662 W Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [2] CPU B0 POWER Type:power Id:33 CUR:40.8000 W Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [3] CPU B1 POWER Type:power Id:43 CUR:38.54944 W Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [4] CPU B0 VCORE Type:voltage Id:30 CUR:1.18944 V Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [5] TUNNEL Type:temperature Id:1 CUR:22.8192 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [6] CPU B0 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:31 CUR:39.40960 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [7] CPU A1 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:21 CUR:95.2048 CNote Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [8] CPU A1 VCORE Type:voltage Id:20 CUR:1.21344 V Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [9] CPU A0 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:11 CUR:99.63488 C Note Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [10] CPU A0 VCORE Type:voltage Id:10 CUR:1.21024 V Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [11] BACKSIDE Type:temperature Id:6 CUR:24.0 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [12] CPU A1 CORE CURRENT Type:current Id:26 CUR:28.44800 A Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [13] KODIAK DIODE Type:temperature Id:7 CUR:31.40960 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [14] CPU B1 DIODE TEMP Type:temp Id:41 CUR:37.43008 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [15] TUNNEL HEATSINK Type:temperature Id:2 CUR:20.40960 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [16] CPU B0 CORE CURRENT Type:current Id:39 CUR:31.8192 A Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [17] CPU A0 CORE CURRENT Type:current Id:19 CUR:33.61184 A Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [18] DRIVE BAY Type:temperature Id:4 CUR:19.32768 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [19] MLB INLET AMB Type:temp Id:9 CUR:21.12288 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [20] CPU B1 CORE CURRENT Type:current Id:46 CUR:29.19456 A Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [21] CPU B1 VCORE Type:voltage Id:40 CUR:1.21344 V Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [22] Slots Power Type:power Id:3 CUR:8.13632 W Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [23] gpu-diode Type:temp Id:-1558304768 CUR:41.0 C Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: IOHWCtrlLoops: Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [0] CPU A0 Liquid Cooling Id: 3 MetaState:0 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [1] CPU A1 Liquid Cooling Id: 4 MetaState:0 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [2] CPU B0 Liquid Cooling Id: 5 MetaState:0 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [3] CPU B1 Liquid Cooling Id: 6 MetaState:0 Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [4] Clock Slew Id:0 MetaState:0 Dynamic Power Step Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [5] Drive Bay Fan Id:1 MetaState:0 Normal Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [6] U3/Backside Zone Id:2 MetaState:0 Normal Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: [7] PCI Slot Fan Id:7 MetaState:0 Normal Dec 30 06:41:24 Power-Mac-G5 kernel[0]: - Can anyone see something that indicates a problem, besides the high temperatures? One link suggested that the cpu might be misaligned, which would be consistent with a hard knock? How about you disassemble it and look for youself? I wanted to ... but the Seller and I agreed it would be better to have a Service Tech
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
-- Original message -- Subject: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport Date:Tuesday, 01. January 2013 From:Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At times it would run a while, but I noticed cpu temps were bad for cpu A 84°C and cpu B 24°C. So I shut it down. This is really bothering! Then I was getting LED #1 and #7 staying on all the time. I assume you’ve already discovered this: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2652 One link suggested that the cpu might be misaligned, which would be consistent with a hard knock? How about you disassemble it and look for youself? This is from the 2.0 and 2.3 GHz Late-2005 models: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqENizr_B-w You may be able to find some nice guides of how to disassemble the Quads cooling unit some place else. But maybe it isn’t that much different? Once opened up, you can easily check for damages and possibly reseat things that have moved. Oh, I’d first check what can be done with the insured shipping… On Wednesday, Jan 2, I am hoping that an Apple Tech can reseat the A and B cpus, and replace the cooling system and things will run normally. I want the tech to try this first. Is this reasonable, to ask, before replacing the motherboard? Depends on the costs. Haven’t all Power Macs been put out of warranty and support? How much are Quad Core 2.5 G5 motherboards going for now? Firstly, they are not that easy to find. Secondly, they are about 100$ at least. And then, as used parts, you won’t have any warranty of any kind… Is it worth it? You decide… Any comments welcomed. If Insured for Shipping, which it was, shouldn't this be covered by the Carrier? That’s definitely something I would do… Hopefully success stories, as I want to get this machine back in good working order. Its the Apple Enthusiast in me. I hope you can sort it out! The Quad really is a marvelous machine! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
