Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
Steve R wrote: At 12:07 PM -0700 2/27/09, nestamicky posted: Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? Are you familiar with Bastard Sons of Dialup/BSoD? Check out their website http://bsodtv.org for their blogs and web episodes. Their stuff is Windows-centric and way over my head but it is interesting to see what can be done with older equipment. Their stuff is also showing up on legal torrents and usenet. Steve R Thanks for the link to http://bsodtv.org It's the sort of place I was looking for. I also know of hackaday.com but I've not been able to find anything there that deals with toying with old wireless routers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 4:21 PM -0800 2/28/2009, Gus wrote: I thought that DOCSIS 3.0 was supose to be backward compatible with DOCSIS 2.0 both at the Cable Modem and the Cable modem termination system.?? It is, to a point. Maintaining a mixed network is an expensive hassle at many different levels - physical, engineering, support, management, and legal. It's ok for transition, but the goal is a uniform network that offers the same services / reliability / features to all customers. Customers get angry if you cannot provide *all* your advertised services to them! The norm is to just swap out the modems, as they upgrade each leg, to provide a nice smooth fast transition. The problem is what to do with customers that own their own equipment. They made that choice, *knowing* the requirements of the network as they're spelled out in the ToS. It takes extra work to support so many different types of modems. Is it worth keeping a lower-revenue customer that's going to drag down the network because of their older-protocol equipment? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
I know I am going to come off sounding ignorant, that said.. I thought that DOCSIS 3.0 was supose to be backward compatible with DOCSIS 2.0 both at the Cable Modem and the Cable modem termination system.?? anyways.. On Feb 26, 10:32 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 2:42 PM -0800 2/26/2009, Scott Fiore wrote: own a Motorola Surfboard 5220 modem (about 1 1/2 years old) that I connect to my Airport Express. I received a call from my internet provider this morning notifying me that because this modem is being discontinued by Motorola, it will soon stop working and I will need to buy or rent a new modem. Does this sound right? yes, and no. And welcome to the quandry posed by owning your own telecom gear instead of renting... Due to the way cable modems work, the ones on a provider's network *must* be fully supported by their CMTS (head end router). I think you'll find that your ToS states that they can tell you what make model modems are permitted. That being said... It's baloney that the modem is going to stop working just because Motorola is discontinuing that model. Total baloney. The truth is that the cable company simply no longer wants to support that model, so they're going to unprovision them (shut them down intentionally). Why? Two main reasons: 1) Evil company etc. 2) They're upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0, and your modem doesn't support that faster protocol. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 11:32 PM -0500 2/26/09, Dan posted: At 2:42 PM -0800 2/26/2009, Scott Fiore wrote: own a Motorola Surfboard 5220 modem (about 1 1/2 years old) that I connect to my Airport Express. I received a call from my internet provider this morning notifying me that because this modem is being discontinued by Motorola, it will soon stop working and I will need to buy or rent a new modem. Does this sound right? yes, and no. And welcome to the quandry posed by owning your own telecom gear instead of renting... Due to the way cable modems work, the ones on a provider's network *must* be fully supported by their CMTS (head end router). I think you'll find that your ToS states that they can tell you what make model modems are permitted. That being said... It's baloney that the modem is going to stop working just because Motorola is discontinuing that model. Total baloney. The truth is that the cable company simply no longer wants to support that model, so they're going to unprovision them (shut them down intentionally). Why? Two main reasons: 1) Evil company etc. 2) They're upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0, and your modem doesn't support that faster protocol. You could try googling to see if there are any hacks available to reprogramme your modem to your ISP's new settings. Problem being, you need the new settings (a friend or neighbour on the same ISP after the changeover could find those settings for you) and you'd be offline after the changeover until you were able to make the changes. There's no guarantee a hack would work or be accepted by your ISP's line but it might be worth a try. When I changed ISPs, my old ISP modem was wireless and 4-port. The new ISP modem was the same, with three ports and wireless disabled. Google gave me several hits on how to hack the new modem -- I declined the risk because I had an unused router that could serve the same functions. A neighbour also changed ISPs and did hack his new ISP modem, which has been working fine with the 4 ports and wireless for more than a year. (He has more money than me to replace the modem if he messed up.) Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
Steve R wrote: At 11:32 PM -0500 2/26/09, Dan posted: At 2:42 PM -0800 2/26/2009, Scott Fiore wrote: own a Motorola Surfboard 5220 modem (about 1 1/2 years old) that I connect to my Airport Express. I received a call from my internet provider this morning notifying me that because this modem is being discontinued by Motorola, it will soon stop working and I will need to buy or rent a new modem. Does this sound right? yes, and no. And welcome to the quandry posed by owning your own telecom gear instead of renting... Due to the way cable modems work, the ones on a provider's network *must* be fully supported by their CMTS (head end router). I think you'll find that your ToS states that they can tell you what make model modems are permitted. That being said... It's baloney that the modem is going to stop working just because Motorola is discontinuing that model. Total baloney. The truth is that the cable company simply no longer wants to support that model, so they're going to unprovision them (shut them down intentionally). Why? Two main reasons: 1) Evil company etc. 2) They're upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0, and your modem doesn't support that faster protocol. You could try googling to see if there are any hacks available to reprogramme your modem to your ISP's new settings. Problem being, you need the new settings (a friend or neighbour on the same ISP after the changeover could find those settings for you) and you'd be offline after the changeover until you were able to make the changes. There's no guarantee a hack would work or be accepted by your ISP's line but it might be worth a try. When I changed ISPs, my old ISP modem was wireless and 4-port. The new ISP modem was the same, with three ports and wireless disabled. Google gave me several hits on how to hack the new modem -- I declined the risk because I had an unused router that could serve the same functions. A neighbour also changed ISPs and did hack his new ISP modem, which has been working fine with the 4 ports and wireless for more than a year. (He has more money than me to replace the modem if he messed up.) Steve R Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 12:01 PM -0500 2/27/2009, Steve R wrote: You could try googling to see if there are any hacks available to reprogramme your modem to your ISP's new settings. If the issue is a DOCSIS upgrade then there can be no hack. That modem just won't do it. Problem being, you need the new settings (a friend or neighbour on the same ISP after the changeover could find those settings for you) and you'd be offline after the changeover until you were able to make the changes. What changes do you think could be made? As soon as that modem comes back online, after being unprovisioned, two things will happen: 1) Its routing will be limited to the cable company's LAN so it can get access to the CMTS, auth, and tftp servers (this is part of the normal init sequence). 2) The administrators will be notified - and they'll pounce. There's no guarantee a hack would work or be accepted by your ISP's line but it might be worth a try. No, it's not worth a try. Breaking into an ISP's network is a criminal offense. When I changed ISPs, my old ISP modem was wireless and 4-port. The new ISP modem was the same, with three ports and wireless disabled. Google gave me several hits on how to hack the new modem -- I declined the risk because I had an unused router that could serve the same functions. A neighbour also changed ISPs and did hack his new ISP modem, which has been working fine with the 4 ports and wireless for more than a year. (He has more money than me to replace the modem if he messed up.) Now you're talking about changing normal config parameters that the cable company doesn't care about - things on the LAN side of the modem, not the WAN side. And you're still running the same rev DOCSIS. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 12:07 PM -0700 2/27/2009, nestamicky wrote: Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? On the WAN side, very little if it's the direct connection to the ISP - they control that side and will rip your liver out if you fool with it. On the LAN side (wired or wireless)... depends on the device. Some let you tweak the size of the NAT table etc. Some let you bridge easily - so you can daisy chain them to create really large coverage areas. ...Given the rate at which wifi standards change, you might be better of selling 'em now while you can get a few bucks for 'em! :\ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
Dan wrote: At 12:07 PM -0700 2/27/2009, nestamicky wrote: Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? On the WAN side, very little if it's the direct connection to the ISP - they control that side and will rip your liver out if you fool with it. On the LAN side (wired or wireless)... depends on the device. Some let you tweak the size of the NAT table etc. Some let you bridge easily - so you can daisy chain them to create really large coverage areas. ...Given the rate at which wifi standards change, you might be better of selling 'em now while you can get a few bucks for 'em! :\ - Dan. I was mainly thinking the LAN side. I do not mess with the ISP; the usually have all the tools and time to crack down on customers. I don't. I might try the daisy chain thing until someone comes up with a great way to 'play' with these things. These are old b routers and would not bring in anything, really. Part of the reason they're with me...from those who moved on to better and bigger routers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 2:08 PM -0500 2/27/09, Dan posted: Now you're talking about changing normal config parameters that the cable company doesn't care about - things on the LAN side of the modem, not the WAN side. And you're still running the same rev DOCSIS. No, I'm not. The new ISP programmes their modem/bridge to a non-standard, so the modem WAN settings had to be discovered before any hacked firmware could be applied. The original poster's ISP may be changing their WAN settings after the change so even if those settings are known now, they will need to be verified after the change. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 12:07 PM -0700 2/27/09, nestamicky posted: Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? Are you familiar with Bastard Sons of Dialup/BSoD? Check out their website http://bsodtv.org for their blogs and web episodes. Their stuff is Windows-centric and way over my head but it is interesting to see what can be done with older equipment. Their stuff is also showing up on legal torrents and usenet. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 3:25 PM -0500 2/27/2009, Steve R wrote: At 2:08 PM -0500 2/27/09, Dan posted: Now you're talking about changing normal config parameters that the cable company doesn't care about - things on the LAN side of the modem, not the WAN side. And you're still running the same rev DOCSIS. No, I'm not. The new ISP programmes their modem/bridge to a non-standard Explain please non-standard. DOCSIS devices don't go off-standard. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
Howdy, It is pretty open ended. I have seen voice over ip servers, ftp server, samba servers, and customized wireless stuff like WDS. The hackable ones with enough memory are limited by what you want to do with them. Good luck, Ralph On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 12:07 -0700, nestamicky wrote: Since this thread is going on and since I have more than a few modems and wireless routers, I've always wanted to ask: what fun stuff can one do with these things, especially the wireless routers? Any ideas? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Modem question... From the Desk of Scott Fiore
At 4:04 PM -0500 2/27/09, Dan posted: At 3:25 PM -0500 2/27/2009, Steve R wrote: At 2:08 PM -0500 2/27/09, Dan posted: Now you're talking about changing normal config parameters that the cable company doesn't care about - things on the LAN side of the modem, not the WAN side. And you're still running the same rev DOCSIS. No, I'm not. The new ISP programmes their modem/bridge to a non-standard Explain please non-standard. DOCSIS devices don't go off-standard. Dan, I am not assuming the reason for an upgrade is because the ISP is using DOCSIS. In the case of my neighbour switching ISPs and hacking the new modem, that was not the case. The original poster won't know unless he verifies with his ISP. He asked, I gave him options and a real case scenario of a modem being hacked. It's his choice if he's willing to take the risk. Never know till he tries. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
