Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all that happens. I've seen this before and if I waited for a while, the desktop finally appeared. However, I waited an hour and 20 minutes and nothing. I get no grey Apple screen, no spinning gear thingy... just the blue screen. I do have verbose mode in startup, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for there. I booted from the Leopard DVD and ran disk utility. The utility reported two errors, file count and folder count. Those were repaired and the drive declared okey-dokey. Select the Leopard drive to reboot and I get the same result. I can boot just fine from Tiger (Typing from there right now). The Leopard drive shows up on the desktop and the contents appear alright. Haven't tried booting 9.2.2. Not sure what is going on with the system. My Computer: G4 Sawtooth 1.6 GHz Powerlogix CPU 1 GB SDRam Leopard drive - Maxtor 80 GB about 3 GB free Leopard 10.5.5 Tiger drive - Maxtor 60 GB in two equal partitions. One with Tiger 10.4.10 one with OS 9.2.2 Any suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Ward -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:08 AM, insightinmind wrote: Thinking out loud ... Is 3GB rather small free space for Leopard? I'd try Safe Boot mode into Leopard (booting use Shift key down?), and, if successful, removing what you installed, and see what happens. Just thinking out loud ... someone else may have more reliable thoughts ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Bill and Bruce... Can't get into safe mode. The system hangs before getting into the GUI. The verbose output is chock full of error, can't and isn't messages. can't determine dependencies can't map module file Has no explicit kernel dependency isn't a valid mach-o error mapping module file Trying to boot safe mode stops with the following message: jnl: unknown-dev journal replay done Any insight from this? I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the thing, I =really= don't want to have to. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the thing, I =really= don't want to have to. try an archivere-install first. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 7:58 AM -0800 11/10/2008, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recovery steps: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545 In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Dan... On 11/10/08 09:38, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recovery steps: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545 In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer. - Dan. That did it!!! A million thanks! Bruce and Bill... I certainly appreciate your assistance. I downloaded that particular bit of software to keep Entourage from bouncing it's icon all the time. I should have been a little suspicious when it had no effect. sigh Thanks again, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Yeah... On 11/10/08 12:34, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! This is unfair. My bad. However, I was directed to the Unsanity download page from an Entourage support page. To be fair, there is nothing on the download page to indicate the incompatibility. Clicking on the Support link takes you to a page with a link mentioning compatibility with Intel Macs. Clicking on =that= link, tho' I have a PPC Mac, takes you to a page mentioning the compatibility page for information regarding specific products. Click on =that= link and... Finally! You find out that, indeed, Dock Detox doesn't work with Leopard. So... While I didn't perform due research, I think Unsanity could have made the information a tiny bit easier to find! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 2:34 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! This is unfair. We'll have to disagree. Unsanity products preform perfectly when used correctly. The problem here is that Amanda didn't read the instructions about compatibility on Unsanity's website. If she had, she would have seen that Dock Detox is incompatible with Leopard. I don't think it's Unsanity's fault This isn't a simple app or plug-in failure. This is farking with enough of the underbelly that it is causing OS X to *NOT BOOT* correctly. This is has been a known issue for them for a long time! A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. Farking a boot ONCE is forgivable. ONCE. But this is how many releases since? I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. This is crazy. You're telling me that a software developer should go back and make certain that old releases (in this case FREEWARE) is compatible with newer OS's released later? Come on, give me a break! It's FREEWARE. Read the instructions before installing! Farking a boot ONCE is forgivable. ONCE. But this is how many releases since? I've been using Unsanity Haxies from the beginning and can't remember a single boot issue caused by their products when used as supported. I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. Yes, but safe for the OS they were designed and supported to work with. In this case, the freeware program Dock Detox is supported for PCC PowerMacs in OS 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4. If you use this as supported, it is SAFE period. If you don't read the compatibility page and install Dock Detox onto an Intel Mac or any 10.5 system, it will evidently fark your boot. So what? It's older, unsupported FREEWARE. It was a relatively simple recovery, and a lesson was learned. I'd rather see the lesson learned than waste an Unsanity programmers time trying to idiot-proof freeware when they could be working on their real software. On the subject of Unsanity's responsibility, when Apple's Installer had bugs and wouldn't fix them, Unsanity did the right thing, they wrote their own installer and to this day, many other software companies use Unsanity's installer in preference to Apple's. Unsanity regularly reports numerous bugs in Apple code, and most goes unrepaired by Apple for long periods. Unsanity also correctly predicted the move to Intel CPUs almost 5 full years before it happened based upon Apple's hindering of OS X's code so that it wasn't optimized for RISC PCC CPUs, but rather always a CISC x86 CPU code base. Unsanity continues to provide useful products that perform as described without issue on OS's they're designed and supported to run on. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 3:44 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. This is crazy. You're telling me that a software developer should go back and make certain that old releases (in this case FREEWARE) is compatible with newer OS's released later? WIth something this critical, the design should check - period. That it fails to do so is a MAJOR bug that should have been fixed, and retrofitted into older releases. The buggy versions should then have been withdrawn from distribution. Come on, give me a break! It's FREEWARE. Read the instructions before installing! Sorry, I program - so I don't give programmers a break for fundamental gross bugs such as this, ever. This isn't a simple app that punts. This is a piece of code that takes down a WHOLE OS. Apple gets some fault too. They know of this problem and yet they LET it take down the OS! They could fix that! I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. Yes, but safe for the OS they were designed and supported to work with. In this case, the freeware program Dock Detox is supported for PCC PowerMacs in OS 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4. And the programmer's arms were broken - he/she/it was unable to check the boundary conditions - less than 10.1 and greater than 10.4? Oh please! This is a fundamental programming failure. If I'd done it in high school, my teacher would have gone into convulsions trying to resist whapping me upside the head! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
