Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Dan

At 8:43 PM -0700 3/20/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
Is there an application that will buffer a You Tube file as to 
afford smooth play on the slower processors?


Yes, use some application to download the video, transcode it to dvd 
and play it that way. You can see the minor drawbacks of this 
process: it takes far more processing power than just playing the 
video.


Seriously, it's time to consign the PPC to the scrap heap for this 
kind of application.


YouTube recently discontinued the fmt tags.  Things were rough for a 
few weeks after but now this past few weeks... I donno... Playing 
YouTube stuff on my QuickSilver has been pretty good!  Not as smooth 
as on a multi GHz x86 Mac, but still quite watchable.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread John Martz
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:

 YouTube recently discontinued the fmt tags.


What does discontinued mean? I tried Googling about for some
announcement or other info on just Google did, but didn't come up with
anything.

Does Google just ignore this fmt tag now?

-irrational john

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 I honestly don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and
 Flash.  It runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had
 and the 733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock
 hardware.

A LOT of Youtube's content is now HD, which is the problem; people connect to a 
yourtube video and it runs like crap because a machine that old is just not 
capable of decoding HD flash video, particularly with the Flash browser plugin.

I can watch Youtube stuff adequately on my 1.67 GHz AlBook, but only by 
downloading the video (in my case with CosmoPod) so I can play the video with 
Quicktime (flash requires the Perian plugin, but so does real life,. it's a 
must-have QT plugin for all mac users http://perian.org/ )

On my old 1Ghz TiBook even this wouldn't work with anything above 360p HD, 
which is pretty crappy.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Daniel Stewart
I understand that more content is being posted in HD but most if not
all of what I watch has the option to dial it down a bit to say 360p
and it runs fine.  I think it might be partly people forgetting these
machines are several years old because they are still so capable at
everything else  that sometimes you forget you are using an older
machine.

I have also heard that most of the problem with flash on PPC has more
to do with the PPC implementation of Flash being horribly written and
has more to do with the mediocre effort of an Adobe software developer
then the actual hardware.  I am not a programmer so I could not really
make an informed decision on that one.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 I honestly don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and
 Flash.  It runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had
 and the 733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock
 hardware.

 A LOT of Youtube's content is now HD, which is the problem; people connect to 
 a yourtube video and it runs like crap because a machine that old is just not 
 capable of decoding HD flash video, particularly with the Flash browser 
 plugin.

 I can watch Youtube stuff adequately on my 1.67 GHz AlBook, but only by 
 downloading the video (in my case with CosmoPod) so I can play the video with 
 Quicktime (flash requires the Perian plugin, but so does real life,. it's a 
 must-have QT plugin for all mac users http://perian.org/ )

 On my old 1Ghz TiBook even this wouldn't work with anything above 360p HD, 
 which is pretty crappy.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote:

 I understand that more content is being posted in HD but most if not
 all of what I watch has the option to dial it down a bit to say 360p
 and it runs fine.

LOTS of people don't recognize that you can dial it down. See also this classic 
rant from John Welch:

http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2010/01/stop_crashing_my_browser.html


 I have also heard that most of the problem with flash on PPC has more
 to do with the PPC implementation of Flash being horribly written and
 has more to do with the mediocre effort of an Adobe software developer
 then the actual hardware. 

Yes. I've read (recently, although I don't remember where) that the Flash 
plugin was originally the responsibility of one person at Adobe who had never 
programmed for the Mac before.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Dan

At 12:56 PM -0400 3/21/2011, John Martz wrote:

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:



  YouTube recently discontinued the fmt tags.

What does discontinued mean? I tried Googling about for some 
announcement or other info on just Google did, but didn't come up 
with anything. Does Google just ignore this fmt tag now?


We're talking about YouTube, not Google.  There is a difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Quality_and_codecs

Note the footnotes after the codec chart.  discontinued means the 
tag is no longer supported.  You can stick it in the url, but it 
makes no difference anymore.  I'm guessing that since YouTube videos 
now play on my older Macs without that tag, they are perhaps doing 
some sniffing of the processor type and speed from JavaScript and 
adjusting accordingly.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread glen




- Original Message 
 From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu

 On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote:
 
  I honestly  don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and
  Flash.  It  runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had
  and the  733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock
   hardware.
 
 A LOT of Youtube's content is now HD, which is the problem;  people connect 
 to 
a yourtube video and it runs like crap because a machine that  old is just not 
capable of decoding HD flash video, particularly with the Flash  browser 
plugin.
 
 I can watch Youtube stuff adequately on my 1.67 GHz  AlBook, but only by 
downloading the video (in my case with CosmoPod) so I can  play the video with 
Quicktime (flash requires the Perian plugin, but so does  real life,. it's a 
must-have QT plugin for all mac users  http://perian.org/ )
 


Like most have stated I have had no success with viewing streaming Youtube 
videos. My best Mac is a 733 MHz DA and in streaming Youtube there are long 
pauses with only a few seconds of play. However once the video is downloaded 
using only the Activity window in Safari it plays without a hiccup with the 
free 
MPEG Streamclip video player on the DA. Copying the same video over to a  400 
Mhz BW it also plays without a hitch. I do have Perian installed but don't 
think Perian is needed with Streamclip.

All the vids downloaded are 3-10 minutes long and not likely HD. I guess if the 
files were much longer or HD this may not be practical but perhaps a sort'a 
work-around for some  old PPC Mac's? I don't view many Youtube vids just some 
favorite music that crops up from time to time. --glen


  

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-21 Thread Dan

At 4:41 PM -0700 3/21/2011, glen wrote:

Like most have stated I have had no success with viewing streaming Youtube
videos. My best Mac is a 733 MHz DA and in streaming Youtube there are long
pauses with only a few seconds of play.


Sounds like you have a buffering problem.  What speed is your 'net connection?

Try clearing your browser cache.

Try clearing your flash cache.

Try changing the Flash storage settings.
http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html

However once the video is downloaded using only the Activity window 
in Safari it plays without a hiccup with the free MPEG Streamclip 
video player on the DA.


Which means that the machine is fast enough to handle the flash 
content.  The problem is buffering - the ability of the machine to 
get enough of the content in memory to keep up with playing it.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:37 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:

 However the You Tubes still don't do any good on the slower PPC's, but DVD's 
 play super, Go figure. I can watch DVD's on my Wally's in OS 9.

This has been hashed out in great detail before, but comparing DVD playback to 
streaming video from YouTube is like comparing a fish to a bicycle.

DVD's are encoded for fast playback and (in the case of your Wally) you often 
have a specific co-processor to decode the thing in hardware.

YouTube is compressed much more highly, and there is no hardware help.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-20 Thread John Carmonne

On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:37 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 However the You Tubes still don't do any good on the slower PPC's, but DVD's 
 play super, Go figure. I can watch DVD's on my Wally's in OS 9.
 
 This has been hashed out in great detail before, but comparing DVD playback 
 to streaming video from YouTube is like comparing a fish to a bicycle.
 
 DVD's are encoded for fast playback and (in the case of your Wally) you often 
 have a specific co-processor to decode the thing in hardware.
 
 YouTube is compressed much more highly, and there is no hardware help.
 
 -- 
 Bruce 
Is there an application that will buffer a You Tube file as to afford smooth 
play on the slower processors? It's a PITA to see some funny stuff and then 
have to run to a faster machine to watch it, even many times the sound is jumpy 
too.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

Is there an application that will buffer a You Tube file as to  
afford smooth play on the slower processors?


Yes, use some application to download the video, transcode it to dvd  
and play it that way. You can see the minor drawbacks of this process:  
it takes far more processing power than just playing the video.


Seriously, it's time to consign the PPC to the scrap heap for this  
kind of application.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-20 Thread Daniel Stewart
I honestly don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and
Flash.  It runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had
and the 733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock
hardware.  Maybe the imacs are not so great since they were consumer
level machines but honestly unless I try and run a you tube video at
720p it runs fine.  But I would not expect a computer of any
manufacture that old to stream HD anyway.  Are my machines anomalies
in that they handle youtube and other Flash sites just fine?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

 Is there an application that will buffer a You Tube file as to afford
 smooth play on the slower processors?

 Yes, use some application to download the video, transcode it to dvd and
 play it that way. You can see the minor drawbacks of this process: it takes
 far more processing power than just playing the video.

 Seriously, it's time to consign the PPC to the scrap heap for this kind of
 application.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-19 Thread John Carmonne


On Mar 17, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:


On Mar 17, 8:21 am, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote:
You should use TenFourFox. It is designed for G4 processors and  
will run better than Safari. It can also use all the FireFox add-ons.


He would probably have better luck using YouTube's HTML 5 option,  
perhaps even uninstalling Flash and using Safari with the browser  
ID set to Safari iPad.



Tina


Alex, what is TenFourFox and where do you get it?

Jane


FYI I just compared TenFourFox on my TiBook G4 Tiger  867MHz 133 Bus  
speed with 1 GB RAM  to Safari and Safari still does a better job on  
the You Tube's, You Tubes are not consistent in streaming quality and  
hard to evaluate on these slower machines. However the You Tubes  
still don't do any good on the slower PPC's, but DVD's play super, Go  
figure. I can watch DVD's on my Wally's in OS 9.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 867




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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-18 Thread Geke
Interesting idea, Tina.
How do you do that, making Safari (or Camino, or FireFox) pretend it’s
an iPad?

I did something like that with my PB1400 running 8.6.
Its Wamcom browser doesn’t digest Wikipedia well, so I use a
convertor for reading Wikipedia on a mobile device.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-18 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/03/18 10:15, Geke wrote:

Interesting idea, Tina.
How do you do that, making Safari (or Camino, or FireFox) pretend it’s
an iPad?


You have to enable Safari's Developer menu, and then you can choose from 
a number of different user agent strings to make Safari identify itself 
differently.


This was part of John Gruber's plan to minimize your need for Flash plan:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/flash_free_and_cheating_with_google_chrome

or here:

http://bit.ly/d3vBxT

*AND*

http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/masquerading_as_mobile_safari

or:

http://bit.ly/bwcqiu

along with using Click To Flash  Google Chrome (Intel only) for when 
you are forced to use Flash.


I'm using most of this on my MacPro and happy with the results, my PPC 
Macs I'm relying primarily on Click To Flash.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Kris Tilford

On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tina K. wrote:

He said that YouTube is like a slide show. (His opinion!) Is there  
a way to speed up the processor?


YouTube is available in several formats, and there are ways to avoid  
Flash and force the use of the WebM HTML5 format instead. It may be  
faster than Flash, but I wouldn't count on it?


The best option for YouTube on older, slower Macs is to use lower  
quality video which will appear a little blurry but will playback  
smoothly instead of the choppy slideshow motion he's getting now. It  
used to be that you could add fmt=5 to the end of any YouTube URL  
to get this low quality stream, but I think this doesn't work any  
longer, but he could still try.


The new method requires you to access your YouTube Account Settings  
and go to Playback settings and select the low-quality stream as your  
permanent preference.





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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Geke
YouTube is heavy on the computer, unfortunately it's as simple as
that.
You can improve the display by not using full-screen mode, and by
using a low-resolution alternative stream as pointed out by the other
posters.
Or see if you can increase the computer's RAM, and maybe install a
clean OS.

Re. overclocking: that is not for the faint at heart.
It means changing something to the hardware, or deep inside the
operating system, to make the processor run faster than its tested
maximum speed.
In practice, that will give you 1. something like a 10% speed boost
and 2. more system crashes.

A more realistic thing would be to replace the processor by a faster
one, but as far as I know that can't be done in iMacs. (Please correct
me, anyone.)

Somehow your post sounds as if he is used to a different computer and/
or a different internet connection where everything goes smooth. Yes,
there are cheap Windows-boxes playing YouTube better than this iMac.
What to do? You could tell him that Macs are for being creative, not
for consuming tons of YouTube crap...

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Mike
I would be interested if MacTubes works on your Mac. That is the only way
they play reliably on my G4 with a 1ghz Sonnet card (dual 450's before).

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28608/mactubes

Note on MacTubes: Change the video player to Quicktime (Player menu, Player
sub-menu), and as suggested make sure everything is updated all the way. I
also use Camino as the browser on my G4.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2011/03/16 14:03, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

 I hope overclock is the right word for my question!

 G4 17 Flat Screen iMac
 10.4.11
 800 MHz

 I gave this computer to a teenager. He said that You Tube is like a
 slide show. (His opinion!) Is there a way to speed up the processor?


 If there is it is probably impractical. Given the proper information and
 truckloads of money it could probably be done…

 He would probably have better luck using YouTube's HTML 5 option, perhaps
 even uninstalling Flash and using Safari with the browser ID set to Safari
 iPad.

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Alex Barnes
You should use TenFourFox. It is designed for G4 processors and will run better 
than Safari. It can also use all the FireFox add-ons.

 He would probably have better luck using YouTube's HTML 5 option, perhaps 
 even uninstalling Flash and using Safari with the browser ID set to Safari 
 iPad.
 
 Tina

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread John Carmonne


On Mar 17, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:

You can't replace the processor but you can replace the motherboard  
with a faster one. The best thing you can do is to sell it and get  
a PowerMac G4 with dual processors (preferably a MDD) my  
Quicksilver with a dual 1.3 processor upgrade, maxed out RAM and a  
Radeon 9800 can barely play flash video.

On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Geke wrote:




AFAIK that particular iMac will not allow a logic board swap to a  
faster one, even if it did the fastest iMAC G4 1.25 GHz is still  
unbearable on any streaming video. My G4 MDD Dual 1.25 would almost  
do it but no cigar.  The only machine in the PPC line I have that  
will play good is a G5 Dual 2.7 with Tiger.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
From my TiBook 667





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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Jane, (Portland, OR)
On Mar 17, 8:21 am, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote:
 You should use TenFourFox. It is designed for G4 processors and will run 
 better than Safari. It can also use all the FireFox add-ons.

  He would probably have better luck using YouTube's HTML 5 option, perhaps 
  even uninstalling Flash and using Safari with the browser ID set to Safari 
  iPad.

  Tina

Alex, what is TenFourFox and where do you get it?

Jane

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Jane, (Portland, OR)
On Mar 16, 1:09 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
  G4 17 Flat Screen iMac
  10.4.11
  800 MHz

  I gave this computer to a teenager. He said that You Tube is like a
  slide show. (His opinion!) Is there a way to speed up the processor?

  Jane

 Sorry That machine won't play the You Tube stuff . The slowest I have that is 
 somewhat tolerable with the streaming stuff is a 1.25 MHz with a 167. Bus.

 John Carmonne

John, I watched YouTube just fine on this iMac. It ran just like it
should and not as a slide show. The kid had a Gateway that died, so he
was comparing the iMac to it. I did remind him that the Mac was FREE!
LOL

Jane

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-17 Thread Alex Barnes
Here's the URL http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
If you want there is another browser by the same group called Classilla 
(http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/). Classilla is for Mac OS 9 to Mac 
OS 10.3. It runs well on my RAM challenged iMac 333. And it should run like the 
wind on you iMac if you happen to have it booted into Mac OS 9.


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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-16 Thread John Carmonne

On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

 I hope overclock is the right word for my question!
 
 G4 17 Flat Screen iMac
 10.4.11
 800 MHz
 
 I gave this computer to a teenager. He said that You Tube is like a
 slide show. (His opinion!) Is there a way to speed up the processor?
 
 Jane
 
Sorry That machine won't play the You Tube stuff . The slowest I have that is 
somewhat tolerable with the streaming stuff is a 1.25 MHz with a 167. Bus.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-16 Thread Jonas Ulrich
You really can't overclock one of those as far as I know. Get all the
updates from apple, as well as the Flash Player updates and try a different
web browser.

-Jonas

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Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?

2011-03-16 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/03/16 14:03, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

I hope overclock is the right word for my question!

G4 17 Flat Screen iMac
10.4.11
800 MHz

I gave this computer to a teenager. He said that You Tube is like a
slide show. (His opinion!) Is there a way to speed up the processor?


If there is it is probably impractical. Given the proper information and 
truckloads of money it could probably be done…


He would probably have better luck using YouTube's HTML 5 option, 
perhaps even uninstalling Flash and using Safari with the browser ID set 
to Safari iPad.


Tina

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