Re: [G3-5]Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On 7/13/09 9:59 PM, nburman at nburmandes...@gmail.com wrote: Now my G3 won't chime on startup. Is that a sign of certain death? If it's starting up, it's not dead...;-) -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On 7/13/09 5:05 PM, Gus at gusr...@comcast.net wrote: I know I am going to come off sounding ignorant, but how do you remove the buggy ATI Driver out of 10.2.8? Well, it seems like I forgot to put the link...:-P Here it is: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22360 -- MaGioZal. http://twitter.com/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:48 PM, nburman wrote: All thats missing at the mo (as it installs Jag) is the floppy drive, A/V card, If that's the 'Wings' card, put it back in, a lot of Beiges won't boot without that card present. One of the things you're finding out is that there was some weird inherent variation across the beige line not accounted for by ROM revision numbers and such. Some are simply resistant to OS X, Some are resistant to upgrading, etc. There's a lot of weird issues. Mine, I could not, for the life of me upgrade past 10.2. A friend had one that you simply could not install OS X on at all. The fault could not be traced to any single part of the computer, as they all worked when swapped out for different ones, it was that unique combination of motherboard, power supply video card, ram ,etc. I know because a friend of that friend had an Apple shop, and a ready supply of parts to swap in; he took this as a challenege, never did find out why the computer just wouldn't load OS X. The only thing he never swapped out was the case. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:48 PM, nburman wrote: All thats missing at the mo (as it installs Jag) is the floppy drive, A/V card, If that's the 'Wings' card, put it back in, a lot of Beiges won't boot without that card present. One of the things you're finding out is that there was some weird inherent variation across the beige line not accounted for by ROM revision numbers and such. Some are simply resistant to OS X, Some are resistant to upgrading, etc. There's a lot of weird issues. Mine, I could not, for the life of me upgrade past 10.2. A friend had one that you simply could not install OS X on at all. The fault could not be traced to any single part of the computer, as they all worked when swapped out for different ones, it was that unique combination of motherboard, power supply video card, ram ,etc. I know because a friend of that friend had an Apple shop, and a ready supply of parts to swap in; he took this as a challenege, never did find out why the computer just wouldn't load OS X. The only thing he never swapped out was the case. would using a CCC clone work? do the upgrade work on another G4? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:37 PM, nburman wrote: It seems something is wrong because it spends 3-4 mins on a black screen, after the chimes. Here's the point that you go 'back to zero'. You open the machine and strip it, until you begin to enjoy it. Take everything out, put it back all in but only put in things that are needed for it to startsuch as ram. And check 'em rams too. Goodluck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 12, 12:37 am, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/10/09 9:11 PM, Nick Burman at nbur...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know how to make this Mac startup from a CDROM so I can install Jaguar? Hi Nick, Well, I am running here Mac OS 10.4 on a Beige G3 with 512MB RAM, and without graphics card (using the 6MB VRAM motherboard video port). snip 6. Before restarting in 10.2.8, I've removed the buggy ATI Driver ; I know I am going to come off sounding ignorant, but how do you remove the buggy ATI Driver out of 10.2.8? Thanks so much for you post .. I have been trying to figure out a way to get around the BLACK SCREEN on my Beige G3 under Tiger. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
Now my G3 won't chime on startup. Is that a sign of certain death? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
By the way, the PRAM battery measures 3.58V On Jul 13, 6:59 pm, nburman nburmandes...@gmail.com wrote: Now my G3 won't chime on startup. Is that a sign of certain death? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On 14/07/2009, at 12:59 PM, nburman wrote: Now my G3 won't chime on startup. Is that a sign of certain death? Did you change anything before it would not start up? Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- iMac G3 Indigo 350 MHz, running OSX 10.4, 10.3 and OS 9.2.2, 80gb HDD with 768MB ram. Quite speedy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
I did as advised - I took out all the parts then started putting them back one at a time. All thats missing at the mo (as it installs Jag) is the floppy drive, A/V card, and a USB firewire card, all of which were in it when it was working fine. ie before I tried to install Tiger... On Jul 13, 7:26 pm, nburman nburmandes...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, the PRAM battery measures 3.58V On Jul 13, 6:59 pm, nburman nburmandes...@gmail.com wrote: Now my G3 won't chime on startup. Is that a sign of certain death? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
I've tried the CUDMA Reset, and now (after a few minutes) it cycles around with a flashing disk image. I have DVD ROM attached temporarily (ie case open), and even though there's disc in it, it won't start up. It seems something is wrong because it spends 3-4 mins on a black screen, after the chimes. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
Use OWC program for backwards compatability. On 7/10/09, Nick Burman nbur...@gmail.com wrote: I tried installing Tiger on a Beige (yes it's beige) PowerMac G3. After the install failed, and I got a pile of error messages on the screen, I realised it wasn't worth the effort and now want to install Jaguar on it again. I tried wiping the hard drive (from another machine, in an external enclosure) but the thing still won't startup. Holding down the C key gets me the happy mac icon, then it restarts. Then it loops restarting endlessly. I tried reseting nvram (reset-nvram) and restarting with Cmd Opt P-R. but I get the same results. Anyone know how to make this Mac startup from a CDROM so I can install Jaguar? ~Nick -- Sent from my mobile device --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
Use OWC program for backwards compatability. On 7/10/09, Nick Burman nbur...@gmail.com wrote: I tried installing Tiger on a Beige (yes it's beige) PowerMac G3. After the install failed, and I got a pile of error messages on the screen, I realised it wasn't worth the effort and now want to install Jaguar on it again. I tried wiping the hard drive (from another machine, in an external enclosure) but the thing still won't startup. Holding down the C key gets me the happy mac icon, then it restarts. Then it loops restarting endlessly. I tried reseting nvram (reset-nvram) and restarting with Cmd Opt P-R. but I get the same results. Anyone know how to make this Mac startup from a CDROM so I can install Jaguar? ~Nick The Beige G3 will not allow an installation of any version of OSX other than 10.2.8, unless you use XPostFacto. I was able to run 10.4.11 on my Beige, but the installation was not easy. Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Po-en Tsai wrote: On 11/07/2009, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yank the pram battery. Press the CUDA switch. Wait 15 minutes, re- insert PRAM battery, press cuda switch again, boot. In the quoted post, Bruce says to press the CUDA button twice between a boot. According to the Apple Help Documents, it mentions clearly that you must ONLY press the CUDA button ONCE between boot up. Maybe I am wrong? Note the first instruction, yank the battery Pressing the CUDA discharges any remaining charge in the PRAM circuit. Then after the wait time, pluge the battery back in, and press it once. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On 7/10/09 9:11 PM, Nick Burman at nbur...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know how to make this Mac startup from a CDROM so I can install Jaguar? Hi Nick, Well, I am running here Mac OS 10.4 on a Beige G3 with 512MB RAM, and without graphics card (using the 6MB VRAM motherboard video port). The first time I tried to install 10.4 I'e got similar problems to what you're relating here, but then I tried a different methot and it worked. Here's the recipe: 1. I've partitioned my 80GB Samsung HD in two halves: one with aprox. 7.7GB and other with aprox. 66.7GB; 2. Then I installed Mac OS 9.1 in the 66.7GB partition; 3. I've downloaded XPostFacto and put it at the root of the 7.7GB partition; 4. Then I installed Mac OS 10.2 (the last X release to work natively on Beige G3s) on the 7.7 partition. 5. After going trough all the of 10.2 install process, I've booted trough it and used Softwer Update to install the security updates, the Mac OS 9.2.1, 9.2.2 and Classic Environment updates and the combo 10.2 - 10.2.8 update. 6. Before restarting in 10.2.8, I've removed the buggy ATI Driver ; 7. After rebooting in 10.2.8, I rebooted again in Mac OS 9 holding the Option key after the boot sound; 8. In Mac OS 9, I went to XPostFacto to select the 7.7GB partition to install 10.4 over it, rebooting trough the Mac OS 1.4 Tiger install DVD; 9. *The most important thing*: I've made a DIRTY install of Mac OS 10.4, updating the previous Jaguar folders instead of replacing it. This way, the drivers responsible for controlling hardware aspects sepcifical to your Beige G3 (which aren't present in the 10.4) will be mantained. 10. Voilá! You got a Beige G3 running Tiger smoothly. Now install the Tiger security, Java, QuickTime, iTunes and Safari updates and be happy...;-) -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Nick Burman wrote: I tried wiping the hard drive (from another machine, in an external enclosure) but the thing still won't startup. Holding down the C key gets me the happy mac icon, then it restarts. Then it loops restarting endlessly. I tried reseting nvram (reset-nvram) and restarting with Cmd Opt P-R. but I get the same results. Yank the pram battery. Press the CUDA switch. Wait 15 minutes, re- insert PRAM battery, press cuda switch again, boot. That was the routine when I tried it on mine. It worked. I ended up sticking with 10.2 on it, never could get it to work with 10.3 or 10.4. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On 11/07/2009, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yank the pram battery. Press the CUDA switch. Wait 15 minutes, re- insert PRAM battery, press cuda switch again, boot. In the quoted post, Bruce says to press the CUDA button twice between a boot. According to the Apple Help Documents, it mentions clearly that you must ONLY press the CUDA button ONCE between boot up. Maybe I am wrong? Apple's advice on resetting CUDA: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1939 Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- iMac G3 Indigo 350 MHz, running OSX 10.4, 10.3 and OS 9.2.2, 80gb HDD with 768MB ram. Quite speedy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Po-en Tsai wrote: On 11/07/2009, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yank the pram battery. Press the CUDA switch. Wait 15 minutes, re- insert PRAM battery, press cuda switch again, boot. In the quoted post, Bruce says to press the CUDA button twice between a boot. According to the Apple Help Documents, it mentions clearly that you must ONLY press the CUDA button ONCE between boot up. Maybe I am wrong? Apple's advice on resetting CUDA: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1939 I think it depends on how long you wait between pushes ... too quick and electronic mobo things can get mangled ... probably requiring a battery out ... wait ... then replace ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerMac G3 wont boot after Tiger effort
On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Po-en Tsai wrote: On 11/07/2009, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yank the pram battery. Press the CUDA switch. Wait 15 minutes, re- insert PRAM battery, press cuda switch again, boot. In the quoted post, Bruce says to press the CUDA button twice between a boot. According to the Apple Help Documents, it mentions clearly that you must ONLY press the CUDA button ONCE between boot up. Maybe I am wrong? Apple's advice on resetting CUDA: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1939 I think it depends on how long you wait between pushes ... too quick and electronic mobo things can get mangled ... probably requiring a battery out ... wait ... then replace ... Apple's advice does not remove the Battery. In which case pressing the CUDA will slightly discharge the Battery progressively more each time the CUDA is pressed. Therefore they say one press to avoid wasting the Battery. I don't have the original post. Did Bruce also say to first disconnect the wall power? Bruce also says first remove the Battery in which case only the capacitors are discharged. Capacitors have memory so that even if shorted they can return to an apparently slightly charged state. When the Battery is reinstalled the prom might come up in an unknown state so Another CUDA Press is needed to ensure proper reset. ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
