Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
If the Flower Pot you have has a 100 Bus it will be Slw. Which machine do you have. IMHO Tiger is still the very fastest on the PPC's except for the G5 PM's. JOHN CARMONNE John, the iMac has 80 gig hard drive, 768 mgs of RAM, 800 MHz speed processor and 100 MHz Bus speed. He is going to use it for email, games and hopefully homework G. It's the games that had me thinking to upgrade to 10.5. But i think I will leave it at Tiger. I can assure you on that machine you're way better of with Tiger as long as it plays the games he wants the graphics on that bus are intolerable I don't care what video card you get. As far as Time Machine goes ( a feature of 10.5) Carbon Copy Cloner works pretty well when using the saved task feature. I just spent days trying to get decent performance with Leo on a G4 Cube with a Sonnet 1.2 GHz processor and it came down to the Bus speed being a bottle neck on 10.5 as far as Tiger goes, on that machine it rocks. BTJM JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
I think it’s wise to leave it at Tiger, especially if you’re more familiar with that and will do tech support. If you give him an administrator account, then the best thing you can do is to get an external HD with Firewire and set up a complete (incremental) backup schedule with Carbon Copy Cloner. Or maybe two: one daily and one weekly, to different partitions. You’re doing the right thing in giving him a Mac. Macs are more orderly, which makes him think/work more orderly -- a little bit, anyway. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 11:20 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac: The 15% slowdown may be significant if one wants to work with processor intensive applications. Then again one may want to play processor or graphics intensive games. A slowdown may not really matter. By today's expectations, the iMac would be slow whether with 10.4 or 10.5. Aside from a slowdown, it may be more significant to consider how the teenager will use the machine and what applications one gains by using 10.5 which cannot be used on 10.4. One of the many advantages of 10.5 is its Time Machine for backing up the work and data. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac (lamp shade or 1/2 ball) to a teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? Jane If the Flower Pot you have has a 100 Bus it will be Slw. Which machine do you have. IMHO Tiger is stiil the very fastest on the PPC's except for the G5 PM's. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On my Quicksilver dual 800 it took actually gave it better Geekbench scores. It took a hit on the graphics performance though it was using a Rage 128. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 2, 11:20 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 8:22 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac (lamp shade or 1/2 ball) to a teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? Jane If the Flower Pot you have has a 100 Bus it will be Slw. Which machine do you have. IMHO Tiger is stiil the very fastest on the PPC's except for the G5 PM's. JOHN CARMONNE John, the iMac has 80 gig hard drive, 768 mgs of RAM, 800 MHz speed processor and 100 MHz Bus speed. He is going to use it for email, games and hopefully homework G. It's the games that had me thinking to upgrade to 10.5. But i think I will leave it at Tiger. Another question I have is the Administrator Account. I planned to leave me as an Administrator, but also add him as one, too. Does it work well to have 2 Admins? I will probably do the tech support for him. Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 8:20 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac: http://db.xbench.com/ http://browse.geekbench.ca/ Leopard requires an 867MHz G4 minimally unless you use Leopard Assist or some other way to circumvent the installer check. If your lampshade iMac is 867 or greater Leopard will install normally. Kris, I am admitting ignorance here. I don't know how to interpret the bench marks and what they mean. Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 3, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Kris, I am admitting ignorance here. I don't know how to interpret the bench marks and what they mean. They're just a scale for comparison. Sometimes the scale isn't very good, but until there's a better scale, it's what we have. In the case of Xbench, you can go to the iMac Flat Panel page and then sort the results by processor speed to get all the 800 MHz together, and they should be sorted by score. The scores with asterisks you can ignore because they're partial tests, so find a high score and look at the OS version. In this case, you'll see that ALL of the highest scores are running Tiger 10.4 and the scores are around 26 or so, the highest being 27. Then go back down the list until you come to the highest scoring Leopard 10.5. I see a lot in the teens, with the highest being around 20, so it's closer to a 20% hit for Leopard, which is about right. Leopard and Panther are about the same speed on you 800 MHz iMac, Tiger is about 25% faster according to Xbench scores. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Another question I have is the Administrator Account. I planned to leave me as an Administrator, but also add him as one, too. Does it work well to have 2 Admins? I will probably do the tech support for him. It works just fine to have as many admin accounts as you need on a system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
I would keep it at 10.4, however if you want to, you could use Leopard Assist to override the 867MHZ processor limit. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On 3/2/11 9:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac (lamp shade or 1/2 ball) to a teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? Though I am not a big fan of 10.5, one thing to remember is that it is still receiving security updates whereas 10.4 is not. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On 3/2/11 9:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac (lamp shade or 1/2 ball) to a teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? Though I am not a big fan of 10.5, one thing to remember is that it is still receiving security updates whereas 10.4 is not. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac (lamp shade or 1/2 ball) to a teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac: http://db.xbench.com/ http://browse.geekbench.ca/ Leopard requires an 867MHz G4 minimally unless you use Leopard Assist or some other way to circumvent the installer check. If your lampshade iMac is 867 or greater Leopard will install normally. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
