[Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark
I stuck King of dragon pass on on Wednesday night to see what the new updates 
were like, and then I couldn't stop playing and quite literally have been doing 
so for the last two days (dam that game is hard to put down!). 

The only slightly disappointing thing is I actually lost the game due to 
heroquests. With the way the new lore page is laid out every myth has a 
details link next to it. When however I got the details of a couple of myths, 
like the earth mother feeds the tribe, or the cow goddess's blessing (I won't 
attempt to spell there names), the details changed to secrets so I assumed 
that was how the quests were labeled. 

Unfortunately it turns out I was wrong. Lots of the other quests like the 
Healing goddess heals the scars don't have a secrets tag, they still read 
details even when I had the details of the myth. 

So I kept trying the Cow goddess's quest, failed three times and hus failed the 
short game! gr! 

I also confess I did cheat a little, by consulting the Kodp wiki on each quest 
to actually make sure what I was choosing were the best options, sinse one 
really irritating thing about attempting heroquests for the first time is that 
it's actually possible to choose the right option (ie the one from the myth), 
and still have the action fail, meaning often it seems you've done something 
wrong when actually you took the right action. 

I suppose I could restore to the point my tribe was formed, but that seems a 
bit too much like cheating, plus I'd rather try the thing myself again, 
particularly sinse I've now decided playing a thrawl taking clan is 
significantly more problematic than not, and also that it really! seems battle 
blessings are essential to winning any kind of battle at all early in the game.

Beware the gRue! 

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread Anouk Radix
Hey Dark, Yep dragon pass is really addicting, think i should start a new game 
too.
The first blessings i try to get are those from the war god humakth and I 
always try to get a humakti on the ring. But then again i am also always a war 
clan, never tried peace or balanced for a prolonged time.
I must admit that i often cheat if hqs go wrong, that really has a drastic 
impact on your clan. I should try a game the normal way.
I have tried the HARD game a few times now but that is REALLY hard.
And playing it for a long time, the first time i played kodp i played it once 
for 12 hrs on end.
I think their game engine is available for purchase, would be cool to see more 
games like this.
Greetings, Anouk,
On 27 Jun 2014, at 11:33, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 I stuck King of dragon pass on on Wednesday night to see what the new updates 
 were like, and then I couldn't stop playing and quite literally have been 
 doing so for the last two days (dam that game is hard to put down!). 
 
 The only slightly disappointing thing is I actually lost the game due to 
 heroquests. With the way the new lore page is laid out every myth has a 
 details link next to it. When however I got the details of a couple of 
 myths, like the earth mother feeds the tribe, or the cow goddess's blessing 
 (I won't attempt to spell there names), the details changed to secrets so I 
 assumed that was how the quests were labeled. 
 
 Unfortunately it turns out I was wrong. Lots of the other quests like the 
 Healing goddess heals the scars don't have a secrets tag, they still read 
 details even when I had the details of the myth. 
 
 So I kept trying the Cow goddess's quest, failed three times and hus failed 
 the short game! gr! 
 
 I also confess I did cheat a little, by consulting the Kodp wiki on each 
 quest to actually make sure what I was choosing were the best options, sinse 
 one really irritating thing about attempting heroquests for the first time is 
 that it's actually possible to choose the right option (ie the one from the 
 myth), and still have the action fail, meaning often it seems you've done 
 something wrong when actually you took the right action. 
 
 I suppose I could restore to the point my tribe was formed, but that seems a 
 bit too much like cheating, plus I'd rather try the thing myself again, 
 particularly sinse I've now decided playing a thrawl taking clan is 
 significantly more problematic than not, and also that it really! seems 
 battle blessings are essential to winning any kind of battle at all early in 
 the game.
 
 Beware the gRue! 
 
 Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark
Nice to see more of the same, but probably damnably awful! in terms of 
complexity.


I do know what you mean about addictive, I really! find the game hard to put 
down once I start, indeed I only started because I wanted a look at the new 
updaes, then couldn't stop. I'd definitely suggest you give it a try, sinse 
there are a bunch of new scenes that have been added, some of them really 
interesting ones. You'll guarantee to see them as well sinse the developers 
made the new scenes more likely to turn up if your starting the new scenes 
more likely to appear if your upgrading from the old version.


Humact is great and usually I always start with a temple to him. Indeed in 
my first game my tribal kin was a just plane awsome Humacti with leadership 
and combat both at renowned who also managed to complete two heroquests, 
fail at the humact quest but come back from limbo worshipping Orlanth. I 
also confess I have a soft spot for Humact sinse a good friend of mine does 
Live action roleplay in a system that uses the same pantheon of gods, and 
would always play humacti warriors, she's now a blackbelt in Karate and 
doing krav magar, so it's sort of appropriate for her :D.


That being said, in the game I just finished my Humacti managed to get 
himself killed when off exploring and was replaced by a hard as nales lady 
who worshipped Venga and had renowned combat (which got to be heroic later 
on. I actually always wish I could build a full two blessing shrine to 
Venga, sinse both of her blessings are awsome.


I personally prefer balanced to war, sinse when I tried a war clan I was 
really struggling with both trade and keeping my herds and crops going. This 
is why i tend to be a bbalanced clan player myself.


As to restoring, well I restored when I failed the cow goddess quest for the 
first time, however I usually don't tend to restore sinse you need 



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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark

Sorry dropped my keyboard and the message got sent by mistake :D.

As I said, I don't tend to like restoring sinse not only do you have to play 
through the hole year again (quite a pain if you've failed a heroquest in 
storm season), but also I actually like the story element of this being a 
real clan where things can go wrong as well as right. It's sort of more fun.


indeed even though my clan lost that last game, I still wish I could have a 
reccord of their saga (unfortunately my Iphone doesn't like my mail server 
so I can't setup E-mail on it). I actually wish there was an in game reccord 
of the sagas past games.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread James Howard
can someone point me to the kodp wiki?

On 6/27/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Sorry dropped my keyboard and the message got sent by mistake :D.

 As I said, I don't tend to like restoring sinse not only do you have to play

 through the hole year again (quite a pain if you've failed a heroquest in
 storm season), but also I actually like the story element of this being a
 real clan where things can go wrong as well as right. It's sort of more
 fun.

 indeed even though my clan lost that last game, I still wish I could have a

 reccord of their saga (unfortunately my Iphone doesn't like my mail server
 so I can't setup E-mail on it). I actually wish there was an in game reccord

 of the sagas past games.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread Anouk Radix
Hi, If i ever go into roleplaying I will certainly play a vinga worshipping 
badass woman.
I am gong to try balanced next, that might be a bit of a challenge, i  mostly 
start worshipping elmal because its a bit different then normal orlanthi, i do 
long games but at normal difficulty.
I tend to get huge tracts of land but might now try with a bit less because you 
quickly tend to overgrow the comfortable clansize this way.

Greetings, Anouk,
On 27 Jun 2014, at 12:02, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 Nice to see more of the same, but probably damnably awful! in terms of 
 complexity.
 
 I do know what you mean about addictive, I really! find the game hard to put 
 down once I start, indeed I only started because I wanted a look at the new 
 updaes, then couldn't stop. I'd definitely suggest you give it a try, sinse 
 there are a bunch of new scenes that have been added, some of them really 
 interesting ones. You'll guarantee to see them as well sinse the developers 
 made the new scenes more likely to turn up if your starting the new scenes 
 more likely to appear if your upgrading from the old version.
 
 Humact is great and usually I always start with a temple to him. Indeed in my 
 first game my tribal kin was a just plane awsome Humacti with leadership and 
 combat both at renowned who also managed to complete two heroquests, fail at 
 the humact quest but come back from limbo worshipping Orlanth. I also confess 
 I have a soft spot for Humact sinse a good friend of mine does Live action 
 roleplay in a system that uses the same pantheon of gods, and would always 
 play humacti warriors, she's now a blackbelt in Karate and doing krav magar, 
 so it's sort of appropriate for her :D.
 
 That being said, in the game I just finished my Humacti managed to get 
 himself killed when off exploring and was replaced by a hard as nales lady 
 who worshipped Venga and had renowned combat (which got to be heroic later 
 on. I actually always wish I could build a full two blessing shrine to Venga, 
 sinse both of her blessings are awsome.
 
 I personally prefer balanced to war, sinse when I tried a war clan I was 
 really struggling with both trade and keeping my herds and crops going. This 
 is why i tend to be a bbalanced clan player myself.
 
 As to restoring, well I restored when I failed the cow goddess quest for the 
 first time, however I usually don't tend to restore sinse you need 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread Anouk Radix
As to iphone games, i really have to try star traders elite again (i didnt buy 
that on eofr nothing) but find the interface a bit difficult. I think i would 
like the content though.
Greetings, Anouk,
On 27 Jun 2014, at 12:06, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 Sorry dropped my keyboard and the message got sent by mistake :D.
 
 As I said, I don't tend to like restoring sinse not only do you have to play 
 through the hole year again (quite a pain if you've failed a heroquest in 
 storm season), but also I actually like the story element of this being a 
 real clan where things can go wrong as well as right. It's sort of more fun.
 
 indeed even though my clan lost that last game, I still wish I could have a 
 reccord of their saga (unfortunately my Iphone doesn't like my mail server so 
 I can't setup E-mail on it). I actually wish there was an in game reccord of 
 the sagas past games.
 
 Beware the grue!
 
 Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark

Hi.

It's at http://kingofdragonpass.wikia.com/wiki/King_of_Dragon_Pass_Wiki I 
also put a link to it on the audiogames.net page for Kodp as well. Though of 
course bare in mind it contains spoilers, indeed I've not read any of the 
information on extra scenes etc, just the basic info pages and the walkthrus 
for a couple of heroquests I was attempting to be sure I knew what the right 
choices were, sinse if any game doesn't want spoiling it's Kodp.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass



can someone point me to the kodp wiki?

On 6/27/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Sorry dropped my keyboard and the message got sent by mistake :D.

As I said, I don't tend to like restoring sinse not only do you have to 
play


through the hole year again (quite a pain if you've failed a heroquest in
storm season), but also I actually like the story element of this being a
real clan where things can go wrong as well as right. It's sort of more
fun.

indeed even though my clan lost that last game, I still wish I could have 
a


reccord of their saga (unfortunately my Iphone doesn't like my mail 
server
so I can't setup E-mail on it). I actually wish there was an in game 
reccord


of the sagas past games.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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[Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Keith S
can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind 
person?  I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the 
crap out of me.

Thanks

Keith
Blind but not Useless
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark
I've not tried a game where I didn't worship Orlanth, then again i've only 
played a few games seriously, ie, long enough to form a tribe.


I usually start with the slightly more land option so that my clan has room 
to expand, but not so much it's easy for nasty neighbors to come and grab 
it.
One thing the manual says is absolutely true, you can't win by slaughtering 
everyone sinse the object is to make peace. I therefore tend to try to 
resolve feuds as much as possible and make allies, but leave a couple of 
feuds going with especially hated rivals so that my  weaponthanes  have 
something to sharpen their swords on.


Btw if you play a war clan what do you tend to find in terms of combat are 
the best tactics to go for? There is a table on the wiki but I didn't 
particularly get the point.


I tend to find sacrificing before battle is pretty useless, charging works 
better when you outnumber the enemy, when things are roughly equal skirmish 
is best when attacking and maneuvers when defending, accept against horse 
spawn, and evade is best when your outnumbered.


AlsoI'm not sure on the raid objectives, taking captives seems best when you 
outnumber the enemy but not to work otherwise, and survival is best when 
your outnumbered.


When things are roughly equal drive them off or plunder works, I'm not 
really sure on burn homesteads or kill as many as possible objectives sinse 
I don't tend to use those much,  after all they're pretty scummy ways to 
fight :D.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass


Hi, If i ever go into roleplaying I will certainly play a vinga 
worshipping badass woman.
I am gong to try balanced next, that might be a bit of a challenge, i 
mostly start worshipping elmal because its a bit different then normal 
orlanthi, i do long games but at normal difficulty.
I tend to get huge tracts of land but might now try with a bit less 
because you quickly tend to overgrow the comfortable clansize this way.


Greetings, Anouk,
On 27 Jun 2014, at 12:02, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Nice to see more of the same, but probably damnably awful! in terms of 
complexity.


I do know what you mean about addictive, I really! find the game hard to 
put down once I start, indeed I only started because I wanted a look at 
the new updaes, then couldn't stop. I'd definitely suggest you give it a 
try, sinse there are a bunch of new scenes that have been added, some of 
them really interesting ones. You'll guarantee to see them as well sinse 
the developers made the new scenes more likely to turn up if your 
starting the new scenes more likely to appear if your upgrading from the 
old version.


Humact is great and usually I always start with a temple to him. Indeed 
in my first game my tribal kin was a just plane awsome Humacti with 
leadership and combat both at renowned who also managed to complete two 
heroquests, fail at the humact quest but come back from limbo worshipping 
Orlanth. I also confess I have a soft spot for Humact sinse a good friend 
of mine does Live action roleplay in a system that uses the same pantheon 
of gods, and would always play humacti warriors, she's now a blackbelt in 
Karate and doing krav magar, so it's sort of appropriate for her :D.


That being said, in the game I just finished my Humacti managed to get 
himself killed when off exploring and was replaced by a hard as nales 
lady who worshipped Venga and had renowned combat (which got to be heroic 
later on. I actually always wish I could build a full two blessing shrine 
to Venga, sinse both of her blessings are awsome.


I personally prefer balanced to war, sinse when I tried a war clan I was 
really struggling with both trade and keeping my herds and crops going. 
This is why i tend to be a bbalanced clan player myself.


As to restoring, well I restored when I failed the cow goddess quest for 
the first time, however I usually don't tend to restore sinse you need


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[Audyssey] star traders was: Re: Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark
I've played star traders elite quite seriously (indeed i had a major game of 
it the other day).


The problem at the moment is there is still one screen, the planet navigator 
that is missing some pretty major information on the various planets.
At the moment it's quite possible to fly around, do contracts, do all the 
fighting, buy upgrades etc, but you can't for example decide you need to get 
more reputation with one faction and fly off to their nearest planet to make 
peace, or take several contracts on close buy planets sinse there is no way 
of telling from the navigator how far or near planets are or in what 
direction.


I know though the access fixes aren't quite finished and indeed sinse a new 
version was released for android quite recently I'm hoping the new Ios 
version will appear any day now with those fixes, indeed I've mailed the 
developer to see how things are going.


When things are fixed and it's possible to play a strategic game, I might 
well reccord a podcast as I did for s5 about star traders.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass


As to iphone games, i really have to try star traders elite again (i didnt 
buy that on eofr nothing) but find the interface a bit difficult. I think 
i would like the content though.

Greetings, Anouk,
On 27 Jun 2014, at 12:06, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:


Sorry dropped my keyboard and the message got sent by mistake :D.

As I said, I don't tend to like restoring sinse not only do you have to 
play through the hole year again (quite a pain if you've failed a 
heroquest in storm season), but also I actually like the story element of 
this being a real clan where things can go wrong as well as right. It's 
sort of more fun.


indeed even though my clan lost that last game, I still wish I could have 
a reccord of their saga (unfortunately my Iphone doesn't like my mail 
server so I can't setup E-mail on it). I actually wish there was an in 
game reccord of the sagas past games.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread dark
My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a 
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start 
playing live against a human.


To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board 
and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without 
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has 
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in 
your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell 
braille cards, dice etc.


Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to 
hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want 
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will 
move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my 
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move 
will be a bad or good one.


This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like 
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio 
overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the 
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough 
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to 
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.


Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is 
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark 
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different 
though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, 
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Well the Hadley School for the Blind offers two free chess courses, Chess 
for Beginners and Chess: Principles and Strategies. You even get a free 
chess set with the first course which is yours to keep after you complete 
it. Each course has I believe six lessons, each with an accompanying 
assignment. The chess set is really nice as well. I still have mine from 
eight years ago, though I don't play so much these days.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: Keith S

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:45 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind 
person?  I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the 
crap out of me.


Thanks

Keith
Blind but not Useless
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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free 
year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the 
two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess 
set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not 
only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting 
white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the 
board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but 
the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: dark

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start
playing live against a human.

To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board
and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in
your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
braille cards, dice etc.

Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to
hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will
move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
will be a bad or good one.

This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio
overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different
though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread Devin Prater
You know, KODP is available for PC, too. I wonder if its accessible for PC too?
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com



On Jun 27, 2014, at 5:02 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 Nice to see more of the same, but probably damnably awful! in terms of 
 complexity.
 
 I do know what you mean about addictive, I really! find the game hard to put 
 down once I start, indeed I only started because I wanted a look at the new 
 updaes, then couldn't stop. I'd definitely suggest you give it a try, sinse 
 there are a bunch of new scenes that have been added, some of them really 
 interesting ones. You'll guarantee to see them as well sinse the developers 
 made the new scenes more likely to turn up if your starting the new scenes 
 more likely to appear if your upgrading from the old version.
 
 Humact is great and usually I always start with a temple to him. Indeed in my 
 first game my tribal kin was a just plane awsome Humacti with leadership and 
 combat both at renowned who also managed to complete two heroquests, fail at 
 the humact quest but come back from limbo worshipping Orlanth. I also confess 
 I have a soft spot for Humact sinse a good friend of mine does Live action 
 roleplay in a system that uses the same pantheon of gods, and would always 
 play humacti warriors, she's now a blackbelt in Karate and doing krav magar, 
 so it's sort of appropriate for her :D.
 
 That being said, in the game I just finished my Humacti managed to get 
 himself killed when off exploring and was replaced by a hard as nales lady 
 who worshipped Venga and had renowned combat (which got to be heroic later 
 on. I actually always wish I could build a full two blessing shrine to Venga, 
 sinse both of her blessings are awsome.
 
 I personally prefer balanced to war, sinse when I tried a war clan I was 
 really struggling with both trade and keeping my herds and crops going. This 
 is why i tend to be a bbalanced clan player myself.
 
 As to restoring, well I restored when I failed the cow goddess quest for the 
 first time, however I usually don't tend to restore sinse you need 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Keith S
I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just 
wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads.


Thanks

Keith
  - Original Message - 
  From: dark 
  To: Gamers Discussion list 
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


  My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a 
  braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start 
  playing live against a human.

  To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board 
  and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without 
  knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has 
  pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in 
  your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell 
  braille cards, dice etc.

  Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to 
  hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want 
  to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will 
  move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my 
  disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move 
  will be a bad or good one.

  This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like 
  BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio 
  overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the 
  information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough 
  spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to 
  really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

  Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is 
  pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark 
  memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different 
  though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, 
  hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

  Beware the grue!

  Dark. 


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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard
Why not use your own chess set to determine your moves?  That's what I do 
when playing against either a human or a program.  When the opponent tells 
you to move a knight to f6, make the move on your board.


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From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a 
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start 
playing live against a human.


To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board 
without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not 
always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd 
get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same 
places who sell braille cards, dice etc.


Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I 
want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square 
it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent 
my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that 
move will be a bad or good one.


This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like 
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio 
overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the 
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough 
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to 
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.


Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is 
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark 
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar 
position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

I've never even attempted that one.



Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: Keith S

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:58 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just 
wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads.



Thanks

Keith
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark

 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


 My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a
 braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start
 playing live against a human.

 To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

 and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
 knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
 pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from 
in

 your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
 braille cards, dice etc.

 Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to

 hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want
 to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

 move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
 disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
 will be a bad or good one.

 This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
 BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio
 overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
 information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
 spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
 really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

 Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
 pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark
 memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

 though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
 hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard

And the instructor is very good, as well.  Patient and knowledgeable.

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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


Well the Hadley School for the Blind offers two free chess courses, Chess 
for Beginners and Chess: Principles and Strategies. You even get a free 
chess set with the first course which is yours to keep after you complete 
it. Each course has I believe six lessons, each with an accompanying 
assignment. The chess set is really nice as well. I still have mine from 
eight years ago, though I don't play so much these days.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: Keith S

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:45 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a 
blind person?  I played when I had sight, but the notation method is 
confusing the crap out of me.


Thanks

Keith
Blind but not Useless
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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread dark
that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used to 
own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I tried 
buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. The peaces 
are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like dark brown and 
slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), and the peaces are 
extremely small and lumpy.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free 
year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the 
two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess 
set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not 
only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting 
white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but 
the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, 
but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: dark

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start
playing live against a human.

To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from 
in

your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
braille cards, dice etc.

Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to

hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
will be a bad or good one.

This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio
overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard
There is nothing that prevents you from using your own board and men, as 
long as they are of the Staunton design, regardless of whether you are 
playing against a human or a chess engine.  Just make the moves as directed 
by the opponent.


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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free 
year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the 
two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess 
set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not 
only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting 
white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but 
the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, 
but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: dark

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start
playing live against a human.

To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from 
in

your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
braille cards, dice etc.

Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to

hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
will be a bad or good one.

This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio
overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread dark
Last I heard the pc version wasn't accessible due to our old friend, 
graphical text with no propper windows txt.


BEware the grue!
Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread dark
There was a step by step guide to the alter quest on the audiogames.net 
forum i remember, sinse that's the only way I managed it myself, 
particularly  sinse  while I'm used to speaking and talking about moves on 
the board, eg e2/e4, the notation code used for commands I found rather 
whacky.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Keith S ks.steinbac...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just 
wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads.



Thanks

Keith
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark

 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


 My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called 
a
 braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and 
start

 playing live against a human.

 To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

 and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
 knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
 pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from 
in

 your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
 braille cards, dice etc.

 Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to
 hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I 
want
 to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

 move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
 disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
 will be a bad or good one.

 This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
 BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good 
audio

 overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
 information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
 spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
 really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

 Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
 pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land 
mark
 memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

 though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
 hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread dark
I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have 
misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried I'd 
get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move something I 
thought was an empty square or the like.


It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I 
didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator 
watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen.


beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard

Although it is pricy, you can get a very well made tactual chess set from

www.thechesshouse.com

The pieces are tournament sized.  I believe the set costs around $100.

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From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used 
to own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I 
tried buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. The 
peaces are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like dark 
brown and slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), and the 
peaces are extremely small and lumpy.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free 
year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the 
two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess 
set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It 
not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins 
denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black 
ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the 
other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and 
numbers.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I 
don't!
-Original Message- 
From: dark

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called 
a
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and 
start

playing live against a human.

To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from 
in

your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
braille cards, dice etc.

Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to
hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I 
want
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
will be a bad or good one.

This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good 
audio

overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land 
mark
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread Devin Prater
Ah, that's a shame.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com



On Jun 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 Last I heard the pc version wasn't accessible due to our old friend, 
 graphical text with no propper windows txt.
 
 BEware the grue!
 Dark. 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass

2014-06-27 Thread lindsay . cowell
If anyone could find out if it is, I'd be willing to try it.

Lindsay Cowell

-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Just finished a game of King of dragon pass
From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
Date: 27/06/2014 3:17 pm

You know, KODP is available for PC, too. I wonder if its accessible for PC too?
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com



On Jun 27, 2014, at 5:02 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

 Nice to see more of the same, but probably damnably awful! in terms of 
 complexity.
 
 I do know what you mean about addictive, I really! find the game hard to put 
 down once I start, indeed I only started because I wanted a look at the new 
 updaes, then couldn't stop. I'd definitely suggest you give it a try, sinse 
 there are a bunch of new scenes that have been added, some of them really 
 interesting ones. You'll guarantee to see them as well sinse the developers 
 made the new scenes more likely to turn up if your starting the new scenes 
 more likely to appear if your upgrading from the old version.
 
 Humact is great and usually I always start with a temple to him. Indeed in my 
 first game my tribal kin was a just plane awsome Humacti with leadership and 
 combat both at renowned who also managed to complete two heroquests, fail at 
 the humact quest but come back from limbo worshipping Orlanth. I also confess 
 I have a soft spot for Humact sinse a good friend of mine does Live action 
 roleplay in a system that uses the same pantheon of gods, and would always 
 play humacti warriors, she's now a blackbelt in Karate and doing krav magar, 
 so it's sort of appropriate for her :D.
 
 That being said, in the game I just finished my Humacti managed to get 
 himself killed when off exploring and was replaced by a hard as nales lady 
 who worshipped Venga and had renowned combat (which got to be heroic later 
 on. I actually always wish I could build a full two blessing shrine to Venga, 
 sinse both of her blessings are awsome.
 
 I personally prefer balanced to war, sinse when I tried a war clan I was 
 really struggling with both trade and keeping my herds and crops going. This 
 is why i tend to be a bbalanced clan player myself.
 
 As to restoring, well I restored when I failed the cow goddess quest for the 
 first time, however I usually don't tend to restore sinse you need 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.

2014-06-27 Thread Scott Chesworth
I can't tell when the nitpicking stops.  There's no variation on the
theme to indicate...

On 6/27/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 I can't tell where the name of 1 game stops.  There's no punctuation to
 indicate.

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 From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 Their are games like lemmings doom deune indiana jones minesweep for xp
 and more.
 Lisa Hayes




 www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 Can you give examples of what is found there to determine our interest?
 Thanks.

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 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:36 AM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 HI all, For anyone looking for some old games as well as other stuff go

 to,
 www.oldversion.com

 Lisa Hayes




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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard
It's always a good idea to double check by using your arrow keys to review 
the board in cases like this.  You can sometimes hear b7 when it actually 
said d7 or e7.


Another very good chess program that is speech friendly is Shredder Chess. 
You can get it from


www.shredderchess.com

and you can also get it for an iDevice as well.  Do a search in the app 
store.  If you get it for an iDevice, you can get it for your PC for a 
discount price.  I haven't found out what the cost is, but will do so next 
month.


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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have 
misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried I'd 
get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move something I 
thought was an empty square or the like.


It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I 
didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator 
watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen.


beware the grue!

DArk.

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Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.

2014-06-27 Thread Charles Rivard
Asking for clarity is not knit picking.  It is up to the author, not the 
reader, to make things clearly understood, and if you look at the message 
that I was replying to, my point is valid..


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I can't tell when the nitpicking stops.  There's no variation on the
theme to indicate...

On 6/27/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

I can't tell where the name of 1 game stops.  There's no punctuation to
indicate.

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.



Their are games like lemmings doom deune indiana jones minesweep for xp
and more.
Lisa Hayes




www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.



Can you give examples of what is found there to determine our interest?
Thanks.

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:36 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] old games site found.


HI all, For anyone looking for some old games as well as other stuff 
go


to,
www.oldversion.com

Lisa Hayes




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Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.

2014-06-27 Thread Scott Chesworth
I agree, to a point. No doubt you already know that because I've sent
messages along similar lines before. Generally I jump on the bandwagon
when it's a technical term or some other thing that could misrepresent
us as a player base to the mainstream gaming community, (the
never-ending battle to get people writing CAPTCHA properly being one
recent example). But when the majority of someone's messages over a
period of several months are one or two lines long, and seem only to
criticise or insist on clarity to the point where it appears that
person isn't willing to investigate a single thing that hasn't been
handed to them on a plate, I do start to wonder whether our old buddy
Mr Initiative is stuck in cyber traffic. Yet somehow, that seems
unlikely, because the grammar police usually manage to make it to the
scene of the crime right on time don't they.

To give you an example of how this comes across, I could've replied to
your last message as follows:
What is knit picking? I was referring to nitpicking. Check the
difference in spelling. Thanks.
It wouldn't have gotten anybody any closer to enjoying games, so I chose not to.

Follow what I'm saying? Let one go once in a while man, it frees up a
few extra seconds for gaming.

Scott

On 6/27/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 Asking for clarity is not knit picking.  It is up to the author, not the
 reader, to make things clearly understood, and if you look at the message
 that I was replying to, my point is valid..

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 From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


I can't tell when the nitpicking stops.  There's no variation on the
 theme to indicate...

 On 6/27/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 I can't tell where the name of 1 game stops.  There's no punctuation to
 indicate.

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 finished,

 you! really! are! finished!
 - Original Message -
 From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 Their are games like lemmings doom deune indiana jones minesweep for xp
 and more.
 Lisa Hayes




 www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 Can you give examples of what is found there to determine our
 interest?
 Thanks.

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 finished, you! really! are! finished!
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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:36 AM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old games site found.


 HI all, For anyone looking for some old games as well as other stuff
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 to,
 www.oldversion.com

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread Jeremy Brown
Keith,

There's two forms of notation.  Algebraic notation is easier to
fathom.  In algebraic the files are lettered a through h from White's
queen's rook right to white's King's rook.  The ranks are then
numbered from 1 to 8 counting from white's first rank.  So a move of
pawn e2-e4 is king's pawn from 2 to 4.

As to playing, there are, or were several board game producers for the
blind producing peg style chessboards for the blind that used
alternating raised and depressed squares to represent the color, and
that had pins or bumps on the black pieces to distinguish them from
the white.  I have  such a board and it works well as you can look at
board position without messing up the pieces.

I hope this helps,

Jeremy

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Re: [Audyssey] alter aeon underground chess tournament

2014-06-27 Thread Jeremy Brown
The underground chess tournament is a really old area on Alter Aeon.
The moves are set up using very old door opening code to make things
happen.  It's a relic from a more primitive age of building.  If the
audiogames.net walk through no longer exists for some reason, anyone
who is interested can contact me off list and I can provide a walk
through, assuming mine's still accurate.  I know some changes were
recently made to that area to help deal with some of the whacky syntax
etc, but revamping the area would be tricky.  When I completed the
deed myself, I was actually talking to the original builder Islaine.
She had me play through all the chess problems on a board.  Took me
about 3 and a half hours one morning.  However, it was something of a
rush.

Jeremy

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread hayden presley
Hi Charles,
I was happy to hear that the PC versoin of Shredder is speech-friendly. The
only issue is that I'm not sure what you meant byh that. I get no feedback
on moved pieces, and I see no way to look at the board. What needs to h
appen to make that work?

Best Regards,
Hayden

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Rivard
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:48 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

It's always a good idea to double check by using your arrow keys to review
the board in cases like this.  You can sometimes hear b7 when it actually
said d7 or e7.

Another very good chess program that is speech friendly is Shredder Chess. 
You can get it from

www.shredderchess.com

and you can also get it for an iDevice as well.  Do a search in the app
store.  If you get it for an iDevice, you can get it for your PC for a
discount price.  I haven't found out what the cost is, but will do so next
month.

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have 
misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried 
I'd get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move 
something I thought was an empty square or the like.

 It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I 
 didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator 
 watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen.

 beware the grue!

 DArk.

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Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

2014-06-27 Thread dark
If I actually played more chess I'd rather considder that, assuming that 
that particular company do orders outside the states. Though I don't tend to 
play that much chess now.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind



Although it is pricy, you can get a very well made tactual chess set from

www.thechesshouse.com

The pieces are tournament sized.  I believe the set costs around $100.

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used 
to own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I 
tried buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. 
The peaces are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like 
dark brown and slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), 
and the peaces are extremely small and lumpy.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind


I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free 
year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of 
the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their 
chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really 
nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the 
pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the 
black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and 
the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters 
and numbers.




Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
thy micturations are to me
as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if 
I don't!
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From: dark

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind

My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called 
a
braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and 
start

playing live against a human.

To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the 
board

and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without
knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has
pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one 
from in

your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell
braille cards, dice etc.

Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible 
to
hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I 
want
to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it 
will

move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my
disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move
will be a bad or good one.

This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like
BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good 
audio

overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the
information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough
spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to
really help me or make it possible for me to play chess.

Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is
pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land 
mark
memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be 
different

though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position,
hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.

2014-06-27 Thread Lisa Hayes
OK Since charles can't read my messages i am vgoing to be basic minesweep is 
a game.
























now i've put in sever new lines so he can tell indiana jones is another game 
here.  n



















their are other games and if someone wants to go and look they will find 
them.  Im seriously thinking of leaving since some people do nothing but 
say they can't tell what i am writing.  What's the point in sharing when 
other son't do anything but pick.

Lisa Hayes




www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


I can't tell where the name of 1 game stops.  There's no punctuation to 
indicate.


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From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


Their are games like lemmings doom deune indiana jones minesweep for xp 
and more.

Lisa Hayes




www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old games site found.


Can you give examples of what is found there to determine our interest? 
Thanks.


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From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:36 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] old games site found.


HI all, For anyone looking for some old games as well as other stuff go 
to,

www.oldversion.com

Lisa Hayes




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