Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
I think I've figured out a way to handle most of the issue with returns and some function condensing; thanks a bunch! - Original Message - From: Aaron Baker theultimatemasterofarc...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:53:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt Hi, can you explain more of what you are trying to do? It is possible you can avoid your repeititious function calls with loops, return values, global variables or parameters. There is no way to increase or clear the call stack. You couldn't clear the call stack, because then what happens if the function which does this returns? BGT wouldn't know what to return you to, because you've killed the call stack. The call stack basically records everything. On 8/29/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: HI all, As the subject suggests, I'm wondering if its possible to clear (or increase the size of) the call stack in bgt (or any programming language, for that matter). I'm having difficulty from keeping my projects from continually increasing the size of the stack, and while this would be just fine for a small program, I'm pretty sure my major project is going to go over 1 eventually, possibly regardless of how perfectly the player performs. If there's no way to do this, are there any tips I can get as to how to make a program continue running without increasing the call stack, as I'm going to have to be constantly switching between functions, that need to be able to call each other a theoretically infinite number of times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
The overflow point in bgt is 1 calls. I was pretty much having functions call each other without ever using returns, so odds are I would have hit that limit before completing the game. I'm planning to do some restructuring, and hopefully I'll be able to at least heavily reduce the size of the stack. As a reference point, by the time the player would have finished approximately what I expect to be the first seen of the game, the call stack is around 400 function calls. This is also running on an early early setup of the game; so for all I know there's going to be a lot more functions added, which would have driven that number up even further. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:17:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt Hi John, I will answer your questions as best I can but I think you have some confusion over what the call stack is, how it works, and therefore may be worrying about nothing. First, as to your question there is no way to kill the stack with out killing the entire program. If your function that clears the stack returns there would essentially be nothing left in memory to return to resulting in a crash. Quite frankly put since the stack holds the memory address of every function and variable in your program if you kill the stack you might as well kill the entire program since there are essentially no functions and variables in memory to access. Second, as for creating the size of the call stack don't worry about it too much. If you are paranoid about this all you have to do is some very memory efficient coding such as instead of using a lot of global variables pass information by reference to functions and use local variables as often as possible. Every time a function returns the function itself is released from the stack, and any variables etc contained there in are also removed freeing up more memory on the stack for more functions and variables. I don't honestly see you having a serious stack overflow here, because BGT seems to have a reasonably large enough call stack for any game you can conceive of. Its not about how many functions you have in the program or how many times you call them. As I said every time a function returns the function is removed from the stack along with any pointers, objects, and variables it may contain in the local scope so its not like that stuff remains in memory forever. Sooner or later it will get removed from the stack making room for something else. That said, using loops like a while loop is more memory efficient than using recursion. In other words if you need to perform the same action multiple times instead of simply calling the same function over and over again, (recursion,) put it in a loop so that the function only gets called when a certain state is true, and if not the loop exits and the function can be removed from the stack. Cheers! On 8/29/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: HI all, As the subject suggests, I'm wondering if its possible to clear (or increase the size of) the call stack in bgt (or any programming language, for that matter). I'm having difficulty from keeping my projects from continually increasing the size of the stack, and while this would be just fine for a small program, I'm pretty sure my major project is going to go over 1 eventually, possibly regardless of how perfectly the player performs. If there's no way to do this, are there any tips I can get as to how to make a program continue running without increasing the call stack, as I'm going to have to be constantly switching between functions, that need to be able to call each other a theoretically infinite number of times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
Keep in mind, it may be hard to add saving and reloading if you rely
too heavily on the callstack.
Consider this.
void first_level()
{
second_level();
}
void second_level()
{
third_level();
}
void third_level()
{
fourth_level();
}
void fourth_level()
{
}
That is of course possible to save, provided you never return from a
level in order to return the player to a previous level.
Consider this, superior, method.
int id=0;\
void main()
{
while(true)// This loop runs forever
{
switch(id)
{
case 0:
first_level();
break;
case 1:
second_level();
break;
case 2:
third_level();
break;
}
if(id==-1)
exit();// Or you could return to the main menu if you like.
}
}
void first_level()
{
id=1;
}
void second_level()
{
id=2;
}
void third_level()
{
id=-1;
}
// In this way, saving becomes pretty easy and the callstack is never very high.
I like using classes for stages to be honest, their very flexible. You
definitely don't have to, though.
Hope I was at least some help.
On 8/31/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
The overflow point in bgt is 1 calls. I was pretty much having functions
call each other without ever using returns, so odds are I would have hit
that limit before completing the game. I'm planning to do some
restructuring, and hopefully I'll be
able to at least heavily reduce the size of the stack. As a reference point,
by the time the player would have finished approximately what I expect to be
the first seen of the game, the call stack is around 400 function calls.
This is also running on
an early early setup of the game; so for all I know there's going to be a
lot more functions added, which would have driven that number up even
further.
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:17:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
Hi John,
I will answer your questions as best I can but I think you have some
confusion over what the call stack is, how it works, and therefore may
be worrying about nothing.
First, as to your question there is no way to kill the stack with out
killing the entire program. If your function that clears the stack
returns there would essentially be nothing left in memory to return to
resulting in a crash. Quite frankly put since the stack holds the
memory address of every function and variable in your program if you
kill the stack you might as well kill the entire program since there
are essentially no functions and variables in memory to access.
Second, as for creating the size of the call stack don't worry about
it too much. If you are paranoid about this all you have to do is some
very memory efficient coding such as instead of using a lot of global
variables pass information by reference to functions and use local
variables as often as possible. Every time a function returns the
function itself is released from the stack, and any variables etc
contained there in are also removed freeing up more memory on the
stack for more functions and variables.
I don't honestly see you having a serious stack overflow here, because
BGT seems to have a reasonably large enough call stack for any game
you can conceive of. Its not about how many functions you have in the
program or how many times you call them. As I said every time a
function returns the function is removed from the stack along with any
pointers, objects, and variables it may contain in the local scope so
its not like that stuff remains in memory forever. Sooner or later it
will get removed from the stack making room for something else.
That said, using loops like a while loop is more memory efficient than
using recursion. In other words if you need to perform the same action
multiple times instead of simply calling the same function over and
over again, (recursion,) put it in a loop so that the function only
gets called when a certain state is true, and if not the loop exits
and the function can be removed from the stack.
Cheers!
On 8/29/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
HI all,
As the subject suggests, I'm wondering if its possible to clear (or
increase the size of) the call stack in bgt (or any programming language,
for that matter). I'm having difficulty from keeping my projects from
continually increasing the size
of the stack, and while this would be just fine for a small program, I'm
pretty sure my major project is going to go over 1 eventually,
possibly
regardless of how perfectly the player performs. If there's no way to do
this, are there any tips I
can get as to how to make a program continue running without increasing
the
call stack, as I'm going to have to be constantly switching between
functions, that need to be able to call each other a theoretically
infinite
number of times.
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[Audyssey] Classic games under Windows 8/8.1?
Hi all Let me clarify what I'm asking here. Do the good old Classic games from companies like LWorks and Playing In The Dark work under Windows 8/8.1? What about those from Draconis? These are games I'm talking about and not ones released recently. I know Shades of Doom 2.0 which is in public beta currently works just fine under my 8.1 installation at least. Any comments welcome. Thanks! -- Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] possible dos emulator
Probably but all the copywrite over the synths. I guess if a driver was written such for those readers ie jaws for dos or hal lite that had a synth use espeak for example then it would work, same with the keynote stuff. But no one will do that. No, the easiest way will to have an opensource dos screenreader built for console apps and dos, we have some of this with nvda reading some stuff, maybe that could be improved, maybe something built for dosbox and its output ways just like in dos itself. For text and limited graphics anyway. Its possible but who would do that. At 03:36 a.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote: well since those are open source couldn't the source code be modified to let dos screen readers run say you set up a dos screen reader as an accent then all its output would be redirected to sapi5 in windows? signature not available. shaun everiss wrote: Hi. this is what happens when I have little time to do much http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/ http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html These are to run a vertual dos emulator. Right now the sourcefoorge project looks interesting. Sadly just like dosbox the screen ccan't be read but it is a windows console at least. My idea for a dos emulator would be a windows console app that could emulate dos --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
well He was a member of audyssey I think. I saw his personal website yesterday and there is only one post which we write in this year. Thanks Ishan On 8/31/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would not expect him to make his games free. If he did that, what would he earn from his work? That's asking far too much. What I think he should do is to have someone who is willing to do so, take charge of the key replacements, or, as previously suggested by list members, go to an automated system of registration. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam? Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam? Hi Lori, Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated system to do it for him. Cheers! On 8/28/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works? I am still unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered. I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the hard task of manually replacing lost keys. His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them. I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I hope his real life is going well too. From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] treasure hunt.
Hi can anyone have a good recording of treasure hunt? Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic games under Windows 8/8.1?
Hi Christopher, I honestly have not tried any of the older games by L-Works on Windows 8.x nor have I tried Topspeedd from Playing in the Dark. However, I have tried some of Draconis's older VB 6 titles like Alien Outback, Monkey Business, and Dynaman, and yes they will work. They require a bit of extra steps to get them to work correctly as does any legacy VB 6 applications. Basically, install VB 6 dependencies, DirectX 8 legacy libraries, and installing the games locally to avoid Account User Control will get them to run on Windows 8.x. On 8/30/14, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Let me clarify what I'm asking here. Do the good old Classic games from companies like LWorks and Playing In The Dark work under Windows 8/8.1? What about those from Draconis? These are games I'm talking about and not ones released recently. I know Shades of Doom 2.0 which is in public beta currently works just fine under my 8.1 installation at least. Any comments welcome. Thanks! -- Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Hi Ishan, Yes, Liam use to be a member of this list. However, I'd have to check the membership to see if he is still a list member. That's not really here nor there since it does not really resolve the problem user's are having with getting their keys replaced. On 8/31/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: well He was a member of audyssey I think. I saw his personal website yesterday and there is only one post which we write in this year. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
While reality gaming does not use bgt the engine used does have sound issues from time to time. Still does. what is done as every objective that is completed level, etc the buffers are cleared, there is a bit more than that now because often something gets maxed, ie if you die some values may not be cleared till program restarts and then you may loose some more stuff. Right now various little issues like that are happening. At 11:58 p.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote: The overflow point in bgt is 1 calls. I was pretty much having functions call each other without ever using returns, so odds are I would have hit that limit before completing the game. I'm planning to do some restructuring, and hopefully I'll be able to at least heavily reduce the size of the stack. As a reference point, by the time the player would have finished approximately what I expect to be the first seen of the game, the call stack is around 400 function calls. This is also running on an early early setup of the game; so for all I know there's going to be a lot more functions added, which would have driven that number up even further. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:17:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt Hi John, I will answer your questions as best I can but I think you have some confusion over what the call stack is, how it works, and therefore may be worrying about nothing. First, as to your question there is no way to kill the stack with out killing the entire program. If your function that clears the stack returns there would essentially be nothing left in memory to return to resulting in a crash. Quite frankly put since the stack holds the memory address of every function and variable in your program if you kill the stack you might as well kill the entire program since there are essentially no functions and variables in memory to access. Second, as for creating the size of the call stack don't worry about it too much. If you are paranoid about this all you have to do is some very memory efficient coding such as instead of using a lot of global variables pass information by reference to functions and use local variables as often as possible. Every time a function returns the function itself is released from the stack, and any variables etc contained there in are also removed freeing up more memory on the stack for more functions and variables. I don't honestly see you having a serious stack overflow here, because BGT seems to have a reasonably large enough call stack for any game you can conceive of. Its not about how many functions you have in the program or how many times you call them. As I said every time a function returns the function is removed from the stack along with any pointers, objects, and variables it may contain in the local scope so its not like that stuff remains in memory forever. Sooner or later it will get removed from the stack making room for something else. That said, using loops like a while loop is more memory efficient than using recursion. In other words if you need to perform the same action multiple times instead of simply calling the same function over and over again, (recursion,) put it in a loop so that the function only gets called when a certain state is true, and if not the loop exits and the function can be removed from the stack. Cheers! On 8/29/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: HI all, As the subject suggests, I'm wondering if its possible to clear (or increase the size of) the call stack in bgt (or any programming language, for that matter). I'm having difficulty from keeping my projects from continually increasing the size of the stack, and while this would be just fine for a small program, I'm pretty sure my major project is going to go over 1 eventually, possibly regardless of how perfectly the player performs. If there's no way to do this, are there any tips I can get as to how to make a program continue running without increasing the call stack, as I'm going to have to be constantly switching between functions, that need to be able to call each other a theoretically infinite number of times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt
I don't know, perhaps I'm being thick, but I do not understand what in the world you are talking about. Sorry, I'm probably just being slow. On 8/31/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: While reality gaming does not use bgt the engine used does have sound issues from time to time. Still does. what is done as every objective that is completed level, etc the buffers are cleared, there is a bit more than that now because often something gets maxed, ie if you die some values may not be cleared till program restarts and then you may loose some more stuff. Right now various little issues like that are happening. At 11:58 p.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote: The overflow point in bgt is 1 calls. I was pretty much having functions call each other without ever using returns, so odds are I would have hit that limit before completing the game. I'm planning to do some restructuring, and hopefully I'll be able to at least heavily reduce the size of the stack. As a reference point, by the time the player would have finished approximately what I expect to be the first seen of the game, the call stack is around 400 function calls. This is also running on an early early setup of the game; so for all I know there's going to be a lot more functions added, which would have driven that number up even further. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:17:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] clear call stack in bgt Hi John, I will answer your questions as best I can but I think you have some confusion over what the call stack is, how it works, and therefore may be worrying about nothing. First, as to your question there is no way to kill the stack with out killing the entire program. If your function that clears the stack returns there would essentially be nothing left in memory to return to resulting in a crash. Quite frankly put since the stack holds the memory address of every function and variable in your program if you kill the stack you might as well kill the entire program since there are essentially no functions and variables in memory to access. Second, as for creating the size of the call stack don't worry about it too much. If you are paranoid about this all you have to do is some very memory efficient coding such as instead of using a lot of global variables pass information by reference to functions and use local variables as often as possible. Every time a function returns the function itself is released from the stack, and any variables etc contained there in are also removed freeing up more memory on the stack for more functions and variables. I don't honestly see you having a serious stack overflow here, because BGT seems to have a reasonably large enough call stack for any game you can conceive of. Its not about how many functions you have in the program or how many times you call them. As I said every time a function returns the function is removed from the stack along with any pointers, objects, and variables it may contain in the local scope so its not like that stuff remains in memory forever. Sooner or later it will get removed from the stack making room for something else. That said, using loops like a while loop is more memory efficient than using recursion. In other words if you need to perform the same action multiple times instead of simply calling the same function over and over again, (recursion,) put it in a loop so that the function only gets called when a certain state is true, and if not the loop exits and the function can be removed from the stack. Cheers! On 8/29/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: HI all, As the subject suggests, I'm wondering if its possible to clear (or increase the size of) the call stack in bgt (or any programming language, for that matter). I'm having difficulty from keeping my projects from continually increasing the size of the stack, and while this would be just fine for a small program, I'm pretty sure my major project is going to go over 1 eventually, possibly regardless of how perfectly the player performs. If there's no way to do this, are there any tips I can get as to how to make a program continue running without increasing the call stack, as I'm going to have to be constantly switching between functions, that need to be able to call each other a theoretically infinite number of times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
I agree to all this, I have tried time and time again to get codes but his email though I get no erros back don't give me a resonce. I have seen some cracks for his games and to be honest, i have thought about pirating his stuff, I know him so I won't but his being gone for so long really does not help him any. I have had him streaming to me for some time so I have some good friendships with him at least for a few years while on msn, and also with a few other gings in past years, but good will can only go so far and I am starting to have doubts. Its like he has vanished off the earth with no trace. Its good I got time to play his stuff when he was still round because I spent a good 60 bucks on sl and jd and to be honest who knows. Lorry, its strange your external hard drive got corrupted because of a virus and a virus destroyed your hard drive needing it to get replaced, maybe a reformat but never replacement and I have never had an external get corrupted like that, windows from time to time says the drive needs reformatting or is corrupted but its not, its just windows being stupid I have had a drive die on me well 2 of them physically explode and die but I think someone is having a laugh at your expence. At 07:33 a.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote: Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam? Hi Lori, Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated system to do it for him. Cheers! On 8/28/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works? I am still unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered. I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the hard task of manually replacing lost keys. His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them. I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I hope his real life is going well too. From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
can someone know his facebook ID Thanks Ishan On 8/30/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I don't know, he was a good guy but I hardly see him his l-works twitter has not been updated in ages. And as for the 2 games I legally own superliam and judgement day I have given up registering them on my systems. In fact if he is gone I won't buy his stuff because I can't get hime to register anything even though I try to do so. At 02:35 a.m. 30/08/2014, you wrote: Agreed. I was asked to re-purchase Super Egg Hunt Plus as a gift for a friend as they lost the key. Fortunately I still had the key tooked away somewhere so not a penny was wasted and was able to give it them again. Strangely this game does use an automated system but not his other titles. This is nonsense to me because of inconsistencies. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/08/2014 01:07, loriduncan wrote: Hi, does anyone know whatâ EURO (tm)s happened to Liam from l-works? I am still unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered. I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement service like some other sites have, if heâ EURO (tm)s too busy or doesnâ EURO (tm)t want the hard task of manually replacing lost keys. His games are of such good quality, Iâ EURO (tm)m sad Iâ EURO (tm)m unable to play them. I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I hope his real life is going well too.From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. /x-flowed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Well if he ever wanted someone to handle all his orders and keys I'd probably take that on as well as other part time projects I am doing. ofcause it would have to be a team of people incase one got sick but who knows. personally I would stop short of pirating his games but not by much. If he is still gone next year or even next month then all bets are off. I knew him as a completely random guy everything was random but even for him this really is over his randomness just a bit its been a concern for a while the only reason I don't jump on him is that while I still do buy games I seem to have less and less time to really get down and have a good bash at the controls. Usually its what I am testing, mostly I don't have time but when I do have a bit I do go at it. At 08:13 a.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote: I would not expect him to make his games free. If he did that, what would he earn from his work? That's asking far too much. What I think he should do is to have someone who is willing to do so, take charge of the key replacements, or, as previously suggested by list members, go to an automated system of registration. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam? Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam? Hi Lori, Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated system to do it for him. Cheers! On 8/28/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works? I am still unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered. I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the hard task of manually replacing lost keys. His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them. I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I hope his real life is going well too. From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Hi Lori, While I do agree Liam needs to get his act together about key replacements and providing better support for his games I disagree about him giving them away for free. He put the time and work into creating them so deserves some compensation for that, and as a fellow developer can understand why he would be reluctant to just give them away. That said, I don't really understand why he isn't providing better support for them. Yes, I know he does have a real daytime job which would drastically effect how much free time he has to devoting to supporting his products. Nobody can fault him for that, but I do think he could probably manage his free time better. I realize it is easy for me to say this, but I would think he could devote at least a little time to L-Works support rather than doing something else with his free time be it watching TV,playing games, or whatever it is he does in his free time. It makes me question weather he really cares or not. Perhaps, though, I am being too harsh. I just don't know enough about why he isn't offering better support to accurately make a fair judgement about the situation. Still, even if he himself doesn't have free time he should be able to find a trusted friend, relative, or appoint a fellow game developer to redistribute product keys and help manage the business end of things of L-Works rather than let things hang. Again, easy for me to say, but it would potentially be an option to offer his customers something rather than seemingly ignoring them. Last of all he could always write or higher someone to write some automated system which would ideally be the best way to handle support. The automated system would be available 24/7 and only require minimal oversight. That way he would be free to do whatever he needed to do while having an automated system overseeing the business end of the business. The point being here is I know Liam could probably do something, and for that reason I don't believe just giving his games away for free is the right answer. However, he does need to do something as it feels like a lot of people have been left in the lurch by his lack of attention to L-Works the last few years. On 8/30/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Hi Ishan, I think you meant to ask, does anyone know his Facebook ID. Using can as you did completely changes the nature of the question. Anyway, I personally don't know his Facebook ID, assuming he has one, but it isn't hard to check. Moreover I know Liam is on Twitter and it shouldn't be difficult to find his Twitter feed. I don't have the time right now or I might look for you guys so you can try and find him via social media. On 8/30/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: can someone know his facebook ID Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Hi Lori, That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something very important. for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can consider something similar in the future. I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't the responsibility of the company or individual who sells you a product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare. On 8/30/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, it is totally wrong. I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last year, and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive. The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into the computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything anyway. What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys allowed per year. From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Product keys change according to what machine you run it on. At 01:10 PM 9/1/2014, you wrote: Hi Lori, That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something very important. for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can consider something similar in the future. I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't the responsibility of the company or individual who sells you a product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare. On 8/30/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, it is totally wrong. I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last year, and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive. The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into the computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything anyway. What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys allowed per year. From Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
Hi Stephen, Yes and no. It all depends on how the product key system was designed and weather or not they are hardware specific. Simple name and key systems, for example, will work on any computer provided the end user provides the correct user name and product key. Therefore, in a case like that backing up the correct registration information is the easiest way to insure the end user has a working product key when they need to reinstall, buy a new PC, whatever. If it is a hardware based product key then I would agree the developer needs to be able to provide new keys when the hardware on the end user's computer changes. On 8/31/14, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: Product keys change according to what machine you run it on. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
