Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-13 Thread john
License means my right to use the software, which is different from the 
software itself.
Its my understanding that it only matters if you can transfer a license for 
a product you do not have redistribution rights for already. In such a case, 
you could give the product, your activation (because this usually applies to 
commercial software) and everything else that came with the product to 
another person, thus transferring all the rights you had to them and 
sacrificing them yourself.
Because I can distribute the software itself, I  don't need to have a 
transferable license.

Hope that helps.
John

P.S:
Amazingly, I've actually seen a few pieces of software who do provide simple 
versions of licenses and/or other legal documents. They're one of my 
favorite legal things to run across.

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You might be right.  But the first part is confusing.  It says that you are
granted a personal license.  It also mentions that the license is
nondistributable.

You are hereby granted a personal, non-transferable and non-sublicenseable,
nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty free copyright license.

I wish the documentation would state things in plain layman's English rather
than using confusing legalese.


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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-13 Thread shaun everiss
Its not alegal, there is already a link somewhere, if its for pc its 
not completed.
if its for android it does not work on newer devices, I havn't heard 
any more from jerek though for ages now.

Its why there is no news or anything.

At 02:35 p.m. 13/10/2014, you wrote:

That might be illegal.

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I've got the English version lying around, and can upload if its really
needed. That said, I believe the download link was posted a few times on
audiogames.net; it may be worth a look there.

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I have the full version.
It was the first part and it was released for free.
Unfortunately you can't play it because it is in polish.
I don't have the english version
the polish version can be downloaded from www.sercezimy.pl
W dniu 2014-10-11 09:36, ishan dhami pisze:

Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
also share the keystrokes and story.
Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-13 Thread shaun everiss
well the fact jerek basically told me himself that when the 
application for testers came out the link was there, so at least 
part1 can be downloaded I don't think he cares if others make more links to it.

Its incomplete anyway.


At 03:36 p.m. 13/10/2014, you wrote:
You might be right.  But the first part is confusing.  It says that 
you are granted a personal license.  It also mentions that the 
license is nondistributable.


You are hereby granted a personal, non-transferable and non-sublicenseable,
nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty free copyright license.

I wish the documentation would state things in plain layman's 
English rather than using confusing legalese.


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[Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread ishan dhami
Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
also share the keystrokes and story.
Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ishan,

As far as I am aware the game is only available for people living in
New Zealand. So you'll have to wait until the developer decides to
make a global release of the game. Asking someone to just give it to
you might be illegal or go against the developer's wishes.



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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread mikolaj holysz

I have the full version.
It was the first part and it was released for free.
Unfortunately you can't play it because it is in polish.
I don't have the english version
the polish version can be downloaded from www.sercezimy.pl
W dniu 2014-10-11 09:36, ishan dhami pisze:

Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
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Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread Charles Rivard
The game is available through the app store for iDevices, and, as my account 
is in the United States, I'm thinking that the game is in English.  At 
least, I hope it is, because I just downloaded it.


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Hi Ishan,

As far as I am aware the game is only available for people living in
New Zealand. So you'll have to wait until the developer decides to
make a global release of the game. Asking someone to just give it to
you might be illegal or go against the developer's wishes.



On 10/11/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
also share the keystrokes and story.
Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread john
I've got the English version lying around, and can upload if its really 
needed. That said, I believe the download link was posted a few times on 
audiogames.net; it may be worth a look there.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

I have the full version.
It was the first part and it was released for free.
Unfortunately you can't play it because it is in polish.
I don't have the english version
the polish version can be downloaded from www.sercezimy.pl
W dniu 2014-10-11 09:36, ishan dhami pisze:
 Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
 also share the keystrokes and story.
 Thanks
 Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread Charles Rivard

That might be illegal.

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I've got the English version lying around, and can upload if its really
needed. That said, I believe the download link was posted a few times on
audiogames.net; it may be worth a look there.

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From: mikolaj holysz miki123...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

I have the full version.
It was the first part and it was released for free.
Unfortunately you can't play it because it is in polish.
I don't have the english version
the polish version can be downloaded from www.sercezimy.pl
W dniu 2014-10-11 09:36, ishan dhami pisze:

Hi please share the game 1812 hard of winter
also share the keystrokes and story.
Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread john
I'm going to presume you haven't read the license for the game and are 
making that comment as a somewhat uninformed statement about distributing 
software in general, and not as an  implication that I'm performing illegal 
activity. Just to clear up any lingering doubt, I'll paste the relevant 
portions of the license hear for you:

You are hereby granted a personal, non-transferable and non-sublicenseable, 
nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty free copyright license to reproduce, 
prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, distribute 
and sublicense the program examples and applications (1812 Heart of 
Winter) and any such derivative works, in source code and object code 
form.
Looks like I'm clear on that front.
Redistribution.  If you choose to distribute this application or any 
derivative works thereof in a commercial product, you must defend and 
indemnify all authors, developers, licensors, and distributors of 1812 
Heart of Winter  against any losses, damages and costs arising from claims, 
lawsuits and other legal actions (excluding actions based on intellectual 
property infringement claims) brought by a third party against the 
Indemnified Parties to the extent caused by your acts or omissions in 
connection with your distribution.  Regardless of whether your distribution 
is a commercial product or not, the license under which you redistribute 
1812 Heart of Winter or any derivative works thereof must:

effectively disclaim on behalf of all authors, developers, licensors, and 
distributors all warranties and conditions, express and implied, including 
warranties or conditions of title and non-infringement, and implied 
warranties or conditions of merchantability and fitness for a particular 
purpose;
effectively exclude on behalf of all authors, developers, licensors, and 
distributors all liability for damages, including direct, indirect, special, 
punitive, incidental and consequential damages, such as lost profits;
state that any provisions which differ from this license are offered by you 
alone and not by any other party; and
require that the license under which any subsequent distribution of 1812 
Heart of Winter or derivative works thereof is made satisfy the terms of 
this section.
I hear by state that, if by redistributing this software, for the intent of 
providing a convenience to a specific individual, if I am sued, I will not 
hold the developers of the software liable.


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That might be illegal.

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Re: [Audyssey] 1812 hard of winter

2014-10-12 Thread Charles Rivard
You might be right.  But the first part is confusing.  It says that you are 
granted a personal license.  It also mentions that the license is 
nondistributable.


You are hereby granted a personal, non-transferable and non-sublicenseable,
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I wish the documentation would state things in plain layman's English rather 
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