Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
One of the intrinsic imbalances in entombed is the fact that magic never misses. At most, you'll hit a body part that you weren't intending to. With fighters, barbarians etc, while they can do great damage, the damage is always contingent on them actually hitting the targit which they don't always do. Add to this the fact that the further down the dungeon you go, the more well armoured creatures' are and the less damage physical attacks do, (especially ranged weapons, most of which are made of very soft wood or pretty feeble stone), and the magic jobs really have a distinct advantage. again, this is something that's been discussed on list. Beware the grue! DArk. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. It seems to me your better off picking a race and job with a lot of magic potential because you can do far mor damage with an iceblast, firebolt, etc than a fully trained fighter. The only time fighters are really good is if they are paired with a thief or assassin job so they can perform sneek attacks. Otherwise a necro can usually kill goblins and other creatures with a well directed iceblast to the head. Plus can do heavy damage to undead creatures if their skills are high enough. Then, add to that their ability to raise goblins, ogres, and other undead enemies I just find necros to be one of the best jobs to have. On 5/19/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
That's what I chose for my most recent game. She's an Elven Necromancer/healer. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan, Ah.No. I definitely wouldn't pick a Fairy for my primary character. I usually go for something like an Elf which isn't as strong s a human, but is adept at magical jobs. On 5/19/12, bpeterson2...@cableone.net bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I just wouldn't pick a Fairy as your primary character's race since it's so easy for them to die. Besides, Fairies don't have Necro as an option. Guess it's too grizzly for their liking. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
HI, Fairies are not as bad as they seem. I have played many games with one as my primary character. Many fairies are also in the top 50. And a good fairy with mage maxed out can do a whole lot of hurt. In fact more damage than a necros ice blast. One trick is to choose trickster. This way they can hide if necessary and let their pet do all the damage in the early floors. Also helps if there is a good magical cloth tunic or leggings and a magical dagger to boost their intelligence, creativity, and hp. Good luck. shermanator - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:14 PM I just wouldn't pick a Fairy as your primary character's race since it's so easy for them to die. Besides, Fairies don't have Necro as an option. Guess it's too grizzly for their liking. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Dark, Right. I've noticed that. Entombed simply doesn't give the magician, necro, etc much chance to miss or fizzle where in Sryth your success is really a roll of the dice. You either hit the target and do no damage, your magic fails causing you to lose a turn, or it hits the target delivering a lot of damage. In that way Sryth's magical combat tends to be more balanced. When I get around to developing my own RPG adventure I'm strongly planning on using proven d20 rules in order to balance combat. Having a magical talent will be no insurence that you will freeze, shrink, grow, or do anything else to the intended target every single time. There will be times when the spell will fail or miss. Ditto for standard combat using swords, knives, daggers, spears, etc. On 5/20/2012 5:26 AM, dark wrote: One of the intrinsic imbalances in entombed is the fact that magic never misses. At most, you'll hit a body part that you weren't intending to. With fighters, barbarians etc, while they can do great damage, the damage is always contingent on them actually hitting the targit which they don't always do. Add to this the fact that the further down the dungeon you go, the more well armoured creatures' are and the less damage physical attacks do, (especially ranged weapons, most of which are made of very soft wood or pretty feeble stone), and the magic jobs really have a distinct advantage. again, this is something that's been discussed on list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Dark, HThat would make sense. I have had some human fighters with their armor skills maxed out, and I didn't find it all that useful a strategy for Entombed. Mainly because they didn't get to fight any more than a weaker character meaning all my weaker characters often get killed first leaving me with a well armored fighter to do the job at the end. When the entire purpose of building up his/her armor skill was to protect weaker characters. G On 5/18/2012 3:14 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It also actually makes armour skills pretty pointless, sinse if your well armoured character will not be getting attacked anymore than your less armoured ones, what's the point in armour? you might as well expend the points in attack skills and hope to drop the enemy before he/she attacks you. One common suggestion made on the entombed list is to have a front/back rank system. Characters on the front are %75 likely to get hit, while characters on the back have a penalty to meelee attacks (so that's where you put your mages and archers), I really hope Jason will either add this option or do something similar in his next game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
I don't know about sleep. Seems sort of pointless if the enemy always wakes up the instant you do something. It'd be more useful if there was a chance that they'd stay asleep for a few turns. And I've noticed that Curse doesn't always work all that well even if the enemy doesn't resist it. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:49 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Dark, HThat would make sense. I have had some human fighters with their armor skills maxed out, and I didn't find it all that useful a strategy for Entombed. Mainly because they didn't get to fight any more than a weaker character meaning all my weaker characters often get killed first leaving me with a well armored fighter to do the job at the end. When the entire purpose of building up his/her armor skill was to protect weaker characters. G On 5/18/2012 3:14 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It also actually makes armour skills pretty pointless, sinse if your well armoured character will not be getting attacked anymore than your less armoured ones, what's the point in armour? you might as well expend the points in attack skills and hope to drop the enemy before he/she attacks you. One common suggestion made on the entombed list is to have a front/back rank system. Characters on the front are %75 likely to get hit, while characters on the back have a penalty to meelee attacks (so that's where you put your mages and archers), I really hope Jason will either add this option or do something similar in his next game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Bryan. Sleep is fantastic if used right, sinse firstly the enemy is out of action and not hurting you, leaving your party free to pile on other enemies and leave the sleeping one until later, which means it's far easier to play tactically. Also, the sleeping enemy will take double damage from any attack while sleeping, and that's not counting the assassinate ability which can do truly ridiculous damage to sleeping opponents, often koing them in one shot. The only real problem with sleep is your stupid pet, sinse on the lower floors of the dungeon the 8 damage your pet does is negligeable (indeed usually opponents are so well armoured you'll be doing a lot less than that), even when doubled to 16 for a sleeping targit, meaning often the wrong enemy gets woken up with little bennifit, another reason why better pets have been another frequently requested entombed feature. Even with that drawback though, sleep is great for managing fights, and I've had games where the bard is virtually carrying the party, indeed in one game I played my party wass a very useless monk/healer, I was trying a multiclass technique and magic character, but the lack of advancement of either sets of stats and of mana meant they were pretty useless at both, a rather feeble halfling ranger assassin who never had any ranged weapons that could get through the armour of opponents, and a completely awesome half elf bard who basically carried the party by sleeping and chalming enemies into slaughtering each other. That crew actually got to the final boss, and killed the boss herself with a lucky break limb from the monk, however after that none of them could do enough damage to get through the regenerative ability of one of the boss's minions, so I had to abandon the hole thing which was most annoying. Still, from that very weak party you should see how completely fantastic and overpowered bards are. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... I don't know about sleep. Seems sort of pointless if the enemy always wakes up the instant you do something. It'd be more useful if there was a chance that they'd stay asleep for a few turns. And I've noticed that Curse doesn't always work all that well even if the enemy doesn't resist it. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:49 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Dark, HThat would make sense. I have had some human fighters with their armor skills maxed out, and I didn't find it all that useful a strategy for Entombed. Mainly because they didn't get to fight any more than a weaker character meaning all my weaker characters often get killed first leaving me with a well armored fighter to do the job at the end. When the entire purpose of building up his/her armor skill was to protect weaker characters. G On 5/18/2012 3:14 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It also actually makes armour skills pretty pointless, sinse if your well armoured character will not be getting attacked anymore than your less armoured ones, what's the point in armour? you might as well expend the points in attack skills and hope to drop the enemy before he/she attacks you. One common suggestion made on the entombed list is to have a front/back rank system. Characters on the front are %75 likely to get hit, while characters on the back have a penalty to meelee attacks (so that's where you put your mages and archers), I really hope Jason will either add this option or do something similar in his next game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. It seems to me your better off picking a race and job with a lot of magic potential because you can do far mor damage with an iceblast, firebolt, etc than a fully trained fighter. The only time fighters are really good is if they are paired with a thief or assassin job so they can perform sneek attacks. Otherwise a necro can usually kill goblins and other creatures with a well directed iceblast to the head. Plus can do heavy damage to undead creatures if their skills are high enough. Then, add to that their ability to raise goblins, ogres, and other undead enemies I just find necros to be one of the best jobs to have. On 5/19/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
I just wouldn't pick a Fairy as your primary character's race since it's so easy for them to die. Besides, Fairies don't have Necro as an option. Guess it's too grizzly for their liking. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. It seems to me your better off picking a race and job with a lot of magic potential because you can do far mor damage with an iceblast, firebolt, etc than a fully trained fighter. The only time fighters are really good is if they are paired with a thief or assassin job so they can perform sneek attacks. Otherwise a necro can usually kill goblins and other creatures with a well directed iceblast to the head. Plus can do heavy damage to undead creatures if their skills are high enough. Then, add to that their ability to raise goblins, ogres, and other undead enemies I just find necros to be one of the best jobs to have. On 5/19/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: rep tom, right now the best skills in entombed are things like sleep, curse, and chalm that have a good chance of stopping the enemy's attacking you while you finish them off, which is quite a shame for a game with such a very detailed combat system. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Bryan, Ah.No. I definitely wouldn't pick a Fairy for my primary character. I usually go for something like an Elf which isn't as strong s a human, but is adept at magical jobs. On 5/19/12, bpeterson2...@cableone.net bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I just wouldn't pick a Fairy as your primary character's race since it's so easy for them to die. Besides, Fairies don't have Necro as an option. Guess it's too grizzly for their liking. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Tom. It also actually makes armour skills pretty pointless, sinse if your well armoured character will not be getting attacked anymore than your less armoured ones, what's the point in armour? you might as well expend the points in attack skills and hope to drop the enemy before he/she attacks you. One common suggestion made on the entombed list is to have a front/back rank system. Characters on the front are %75 likely to get hit, while characters on the back have a penalty to meelee attacks (so that's where you put your mages and archers), I really hope Jason will either add this option or do something similar in his next game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Dark, HThat would make sense. I have had some human fighters with their armor skills maxed out, and I didn't find it all that useful a strategy for Entombed. Mainly because they didn't get to fight any more than a weaker character meaning all my weaker characters often get killed first leaving me with a well armored fighter to do the job at the end. When the entire purpose of building up his/her armor skill was to protect weaker characters. G On 5/18/2012 3:14 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It also actually makes armour skills pretty pointless, sinse if your well armoured character will not be getting attacked anymore than your less armoured ones, what's the point in armour? you might as well expend the points in attack skills and hope to drop the enemy before he/she attacks you. One common suggestion made on the entombed list is to have a front/back rank system. Characters on the front are %75 likely to get hit, while characters on the back have a penalty to meelee attacks (so that's where you put your mages and archers), I really hope Jason will either add this option or do something similar in his next game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Bryan. In that sense, as with the random dungeons, entombed is more like a roguelike, sinse most roguelikes don't even give you the option of being a zombi, heck, Angband (the only roguelike I've ever been able to play), has a game 100 floors long, can take weeks, then ooops, perminant death! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... I was thinking more along the lines of a traditional RPG. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan, Yes, it would be nice to bring characters fully back from the dead, but I also see Jason's logic here. If a character gets killed, IE stone dead, bringing them back from the dead should have penalties. Either they are a zombie or skeleton, with low intelligence, or they are reincarnated as a lesser creature. These are fair compromises to keep the game challenging. After all, in most fantasy books, games, and so on you can't just bring someone back to life without some sort of necromancer involved, and even then its not the same as being restored to real life. There are always consequences for that kind of magic. I think that's why I got turned off of Sryth. If you died in the course of a game it had no immediate or long lasting consequences. All you did was lose a life stone, and you could purchase as many of those as you wanted or needed to keep reviving your character. I like fantasy, but even that should have some limits. On 5/16/2012 5:53 PM, bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Personally I stil feel there needs to be a way to revive them outright, since in either Zombie or Skeleton cases you can't control them. And if you reincarnate them you could get them back as a Crypt Creep. And that's hardly worth the fact that you can at least control them since even a minor hit will probably kill them again. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
I still think he could have given us the option to fully revive characters while maintaining the level of challenge. even if said option was not in the form of a learnable spell. Maybe a potion that, while not necessarily extremely rare, could be less common as a droppable item and more expensive to purchase and only available from certain shops. Given how easy it can be to die sometimes I think it would cut down on some people's frustration. And if, as I said, these potions were able to be made available only from certain places and at a higher cost it might make it less easy to abuse it. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan. In that sense, as with the random dungeons, entombed is more like a roguelike, sinse most roguelikes don't even give you the option of being a zombi, heck, Angband (the only roguelike I've ever been able to play), has a game 100 floors long, can take weeks, then ooops, perminant death! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... I was thinking more along the lines of a traditional RPG. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan, Yes, it would be nice to bring characters fully back from the dead, but I also see Jason's logic here. If a character gets killed, IE stone dead, bringing them back from the dead should have penalties. Either they are a zombie or skeleton, with low intelligence, or they are reincarnated as a lesser creature. These are fair compromises to keep the game challenging. After all, in most fantasy books, games, and so on you can't just bring someone back to life without some sort of necromancer involved, and even then its not the same as being restored to real life. There are always consequences for that kind of magic. I think that's why I got turned off of Sryth. If you died in the course of a game it had no immediate or long lasting consequences. All you did was lose a life stone, and you could purchase as many of those as you wanted or needed to keep reviving your character. I like fantasy, but even that should have some limits. On 5/16/2012 5:53 PM, bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Personally I stil feel there needs to be a way to revive them outright, since in either Zombie or Skeleton cases you can't control them. And if you reincarnate them you could get them back as a Crypt Creep. And that's hardly worth the fact that you can at least control them since even a minor hit will probably kill them again. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Well, it all really comes down to the defense problem, which is imho Entombed's major flaw in design. it doesn't matter whether you've got an ogre fighter with hp through the roof in full plate armour, or a fairy mage who can go down at one poke, there is absolutely no way to insure that one will get attacked any more than the other, and thus no way to avoid accidental death when an enemy chooses to hit a weaker character, especially with the possibility of one hit killing by striking the torso or head. I'm really sorry this never got fixed in the games' developement, sinse if it were possible to protect a weaker character with a stronger, then a good tactical player shouldn't! be dying, as indeed is the case in roguelikes, thus no need for resurrection at all, indeed in a multi character game with tactical combat, i'd personally rather have stronger tactical options to succeed than resurrection. Hopefully if Jason ever comes up with entombed Ii, this issue will be addressed. #Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... I still think he could have given us the option to fully revive characters while maintaining the level of challenge. even if said option was not in the form of a learnable spell. Maybe a potion that, while not necessarily extremely rare, could be less common as a droppable item and more expensive to purchase and only available from certain shops. Given how easy it can be to die sometimes I think it would cut down on some people's frustration. And if, as I said, these potions were able to be made available only from certain places and at a higher cost it might make it less easy to abuse it. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan. In that sense, as with the random dungeons, entombed is more like a roguelike, sinse most roguelikes don't even give you the option of being a zombi, heck, Angband (the only roguelike I've ever been able to play), has a game 100 floors long, can take weeks, then ooops, perminant death! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... I was thinking more along the lines of a traditional RPG. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan, Yes, it would be nice to bring characters fully back from the dead, but I also see Jason's logic here. If a character gets killed, IE stone dead, bringing them back from the dead should have penalties. Either they are a zombie or skeleton, with low intelligence, or they are reincarnated as a lesser creature. These are fair compromises to keep the game challenging. After all, in most fantasy books, games, and so on you can't just bring someone back to life without some sort of necromancer involved, and even then its not the same as being restored to real life. There are always consequences for that kind of magic. I think that's why I got turned off of Sryth. If you died in the course of a game it had no immediate or long lasting consequences. All you did was lose a life stone, and you could purchase as many of those as you wanted or needed to keep reviving your character. I like fantasy, but even that should have some limits. On 5/16/2012 5:53 PM, bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Personally I stil feel there needs to be a way to revive them outright, since in either Zombie or Skeleton cases you can't control them. And if you reincarnate them you could get them back as a Crypt Creep. And that's hardly worth the fact that you can at least control them since even a minor hit will probably kill them again. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
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Hi Dark, Right. I think I'm more frustrated with that aspect as well. I don't particularly think we need a way to fully restore a character to life so much as we need more control over the combat order and being able to defend weaker characters. I don't know how many games where I have an extremely battle hardened character going up against an enemy boss like the Drake and it wipes out my Fairy with one attack, and there was no way to interpose a stronger character in the way to keep that from happening. If I had more control over who gets dibs on attacks, who can defend more often, etc the Fairy might not have gotten killed in the first place.So I agree the defense issue is really the bigger problem here. On 5/17/2012 4:43 AM, dark wrote: Well, it all really comes down to the defense problem, which is imho Entombed's major flaw in design. it doesn't matter whether you've got an ogre fighter with hp through the roof in full plate armour, or a fairy mage who can go down at one poke, there is absolutely no way to insure that one will get attacked any more than the other, and thus no way to avoid accidental death when an enemy chooses to hit a weaker character, especially with the possibility of one hit killing by striking the torso or head. I'm really sorry this never got fixed in the games' developement, sinse if it were possible to protect a weaker character with a stronger, then a good tactical player shouldn't! be dying, as indeed is the case in roguelikes, thus no need for resurrection at all, indeed in a multi character game with tactical combat, i'd personally rather have stronger tactical options to succeed than resurrection. Hopefully if Jason ever comes up with entombed Ii, this issue will be addressed. #Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
HI, He did. It is call reload. Your character gets killed, reload the game back to your last save or auto save. some times, reincarnated characters can be fun. Get a snake or spider and see what happens. Shermanator - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:19 AM I still think he could have given us the option to fully revive characters while maintaining the level of challenge. even if said option was not in the form of a learnable spell. Maybe a potion that, while not necessarily extremely rare, could be less common as a droppable item and more expensive to purchase and only available from certain shops. Given how easy it can be to die sometimes I think it would cut down on some people's frustration. And if, as I said, these potions were able to be made available only from certain places and at a higher cost it might make it less easy to abuse it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
I meant without reloading. LOL. I already do that anytime a character gets killed. But on later floors it often takes forever to load or save a game. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Richard Sherman Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... HI, He did. It is call reload. Your character gets killed, reload the game back to your last save or auto save. some times, reincarnated characters can be fun. Get a snake or spider and see what happens. Shermanator - Original Message - From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:19 AM I still think he could have given us the option to fully revive characters while maintaining the level of challenge. even if said option was not in the form of a learnable spell. Maybe a potion that, while not necessarily extremely rare, could be less common as a droppable item and more expensive to purchase and only available from certain shops. Given how easy it can be to die sometimes I think it would cut down on some people's frustration. And if, as I said, these potions were able to be made available only from certain places and at a higher cost it might make it less easy to abuse it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Keith, Yes. There is a way to bring some of your party members back to life. Several in fact. One, if you hit them with lightning there is a good way they will come back as a zombie. Not as cool as having them back for real, but a zombie character retains most of their prior skills. Two, if you have a necro you can raise them back from the dead as a skeleton warrior. Not as cool as a zombie, but I guess if you want that character back bad enough you can control him/her through a necromancer. Third, there is an encarnation spell you can use to revive their spirit. They won't be nearly as strong as before, but is better than dead. :D Cheers! On 5/15/2012 12:07 AM, Keith Stormcloud Steinbach wrote: Hey guys, 2 question about entombed. First, I have come across some items that have flaming or sky in the name. When I do an examination of the item, it says that it is related to that elemental force. Does this help if lets say, a weapon is flaming, meaning fire related, and an opponent is more effected by fire? Second question, one of my party members has been killed. Is there a way to ressurect that character? I know you can dump the body, or sell it off in Twilight Town, which I have found better than leaving a former party member in the dungeon, because they have a tendency to reanimate and kick my butt for leaving them down there. (smiles) Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
I was thinking more along the lines of a traditional RPG. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hi Bryan, Yes, it would be nice to bring characters fully back from the dead, but I also see Jason's logic here. If a character gets killed, IE stone dead, bringing them back from the dead should have penalties. Either they are a zombie or skeleton, with low intelligence, or they are reincarnated as a lesser creature. These are fair compromises to keep the game challenging. After all, in most fantasy books, games, and so on you can't just bring someone back to life without some sort of necromancer involved, and even then its not the same as being restored to real life. There are always consequences for that kind of magic. I think that's why I got turned off of Sryth. If you died in the course of a game it had no immediate or long lasting consequences. All you did was lose a life stone, and you could purchase as many of those as you wanted or needed to keep reviving your character. I like fantasy, but even that should have some limits. On 5/16/2012 5:53 PM, bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Personally I stil feel there needs to be a way to revive them outright, since in either Zombie or Skeleton cases you can't control them. And if you reincarnate them you could get them back as a Crypt Creep. And that's hardly worth the fact that you can at least control them since even a minor hit will probably kill them again. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hey guys, 2 question about entombed. First, I have come across some items that have flaming or sky in the name. When I do an examination of the item, it says that it is related to that elemental force. Does this help if lets say, a weapon is flaming, meaning fire related, and an opponent is more effected by fire? Second question, one of my party members has been killed. Is there a way to ressurect that character? I know you can dump the body, or sell it off in Twilight Town, which I have found better than leaving a former party member in the dungeon, because they have a tendency to reanimate and kick my butt for leaving them down there. (smiles) Thanks Keith Proud user of Window Eyes 7.5.4.1 Reach me at: hea...@mchsi.com and on skype at: keith.steinbach1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Hi Kieth. first as to the elemental weapons. yes, they will do more damage to elemental creatures of the opposing element, so try your flaming stuff on a water elemental. however, there aren't that many elemental creatures in the dungeon, and the rest of the time elemental weapons are no better than ordinary ones, so accept for a couple of battles there's not really much need to worry about them too much. As to bringing characters back, well necromancers can of course raise them as skeletons, and there are some ways to raise them as zombies as well (though I'll let you find those for yourself). there is also a reincarnate ability, which will bring them back to life but change their race, however they'll be extremely weak in this circumstance, so usually it's better to try and avoid death if you can. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Keith Stormcloud Steinbach hea...@mchsi.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:07 AM Subject: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hey guys, 2 question about entombed. First, I have come across some items that have flaming or sky in the name. When I do an examination of the item, it says that it is related to that elemental force. Does this help if lets say, a weapon is flaming, meaning fire related, and an opponent is more effected by fire? Second question, one of my party members has been killed. Is there a way to ressurect that character? I know you can dump the body, or sell it off in Twilight Town, which I have found better than leaving a former party member in the dungeon, because they have a tendency to reanimate and kick my butt for leaving them down there. (smiles) Thanks Keith Proud user of Window Eyes 7.5.4.1 Reach me at: hea...@mchsi.com and on skype at: keith.steinbach1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed...
Nope, you can't actually resurrect them. You can summon their bones if you have a Necromancer, but then you can't control themand any injuries they sustained before they died will still be present and can't be healed. If you have a druid you can Reincarnate them, but then they might come back as something else that's weaker than what they used to be. On the up side you can crontrol them. But you can only do that once. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Keith Stormcloud Steinbach Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] 2 question about entombed... Hey guys, 2 question about entombed. First, I have come across some items that have flaming or sky in the name. When I do an examination of the item, it says that it is related to that elemental force. Does this help if lets say, a weapon is flaming, meaning fire related, and an opponent is more effected by fire? Second question, one of my party members has been killed. Is there a way to ressurect that character? I know you can dump the body, or sell it off in Twilight Town, which I have found better than leaving a former party member in the dungeon, because they have a tendency to reanimate and kick my butt for leaving them down there. (smiles) Thanks Keith Proud user of Window Eyes 7.5.4.1 Reach me at: hea...@mchsi.com and on skype at: keith.steinbach1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
