Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS
Hi Dakotah, Well, perhaps a first step would be designing a website, and then establishing an online presents on various social media sites like Twitter where blind computer users could congregate and discuss access issues. You could then reach out and contact others like the IGDA and others to contribute members and ideas for your own organization. On 2/13/13, Dakotah Rickard wrote: > I'll look into it. It's something I feel pretty passionate about. > > I feel that the entire face of what we ask for in accessibility is > wrong. Right now, we aren't getting any of it, because we're taking > the wrong path. I really want to push this, if I can just figure out > how. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS
I'll look into it. It's something I feel pretty passionate about. I feel that the entire face of what we ask for in accessibility is wrong. Right now, we aren't getting any of it, because we're taking the wrong path. I really want to push this, if I can just figure out how. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/12/13, James Bartlett wrote: > Hello Dakotah Rickard > > I don't know if my other email got sent out on this topic. but I > totally agry with you, and you may not know how to but with all the blind > people out there, there is someone who does. Its just a matter of finding > the people out there. If you are interested init, I goto classes at The > Lighthouse For The Blind. I can ask around there. I know there would be > some > people there that would like to get involved in something like this. I know > I would. I would just need the back to get started. > > James > > > -Original Message- > From: Dakotah Rickard [mailto:dakotah.rick...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS > > Honestly, the only thing I don't know how to do is to start an > organization. > Literally, that's it. I know pretty much anything else, but I don't know > how > to actually start a recognized force, rather than something like a group of > like-minded people. I dont know what rules apply to organizations, > non-proffits, and the like. If we raise money, which we'll need to do, then > what taxes apply? > What if people from different countries want to join up? I don't know how > to > figure this stuff out, because Google is so rediculously full of > information, too much so. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard > > On 2/11/13, Clement Chou wrote: >> Dakada I do agree with you on principle. But however bogus the thing >> about market and cost vs. benefit has to be taken into consideration. >> Whether we're united or not, developers won't do it if there's no >> reason better than >> >> just because a bunch of people want it. And while I believe in this >> cause, I >> >> think there are way more important things the blind community could be >> a lot >> >> more united about. Getting back on topic though... I do agree that >> something >> >> needs to be done. But frankly... I'm not quite sure how to go about >> doing it >> >> either. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >> list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS
Hello Dakotah Rickard I don't know if my other email got sent out on this topic. but I totally agry with you, and you may not know how to but with all the blind people out there, there is someone who does. Its just a matter of finding the people out there. If you are interested init, I goto classes at The Lighthouse For The Blind. I can ask around there. I know there would be some people there that would like to get involved in something like this. I know I would. I would just need the back to get started. James -Original Message- From: Dakotah Rickard [mailto:dakotah.rick...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS Honestly, the only thing I don't know how to do is to start an organization. Literally, that's it. I know pretty much anything else, but I don't know how to actually start a recognized force, rather than something like a group of like-minded people. I dont know what rules apply to organizations, non-proffits, and the like. If we raise money, which we'll need to do, then what taxes apply? What if people from different countries want to join up? I don't know how to figure this stuff out, because Google is so rediculously full of information, too much so. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/11/13, Clement Chou wrote: > Dakada I do agree with you on principle. But however bogus the thing > about market and cost vs. benefit has to be taken into consideration. > Whether we're united or not, developers won't do it if there's no > reason better than > > just because a bunch of people want it. And while I believe in this > cause, I > > think there are way more important things the blind community could be > a lot > > more united about. Getting back on topic though... I do agree that > something > > needs to be done. But frankly... I'm not quite sure how to go about > doing it > > either. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS
That's why I brought up the patching console games thing. Sure implementing accessibility might not cost 4 dollars... well then again it might depending on the game. A few grand at the very least, that probably wouldn't be made up in the sales. Blind people are a small enough community... and VI gamers are an even smaller percentage of that community. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS Hi Clement, Couldn't agree with you more. Regardless how bogus or not cost verses benefit is perceived to be its still a driving force regardless what any of us might think. If a company does not think adding feature x is in their best interests long term they aren't going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts, for ethical reasons, or because they want to show equality to their fellow man. The cold truth is we live in a capitalist society, at least most of us do, and in that type of economic system making money is the bottom line. Regardless of what a non-programmer might think adding accessibility does cost money, and for a company all they care about is the cost of developing the accessibility verses how much adding that accessibility will net them if added. In short, what's in it for them? On 2/11/13, Clement Chou wrote: Dakada I do agree with you on principle. But however bogus the thing about market and cost vs. benefit has to be taken into consideration. Whether we're united or not, developers won't do it if there's no reason better than just because a bunch of people want it. And while I believe in this cause, I think there are way more important things the blind community could be a lot more united about. Getting back on topic though... I do agree that something needs to be done. But frankly... I'm not quite sure how to go about doing it either. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blindness United: Was: You Don't Know Jack for iOS
Dakada I do agree with you on principle. But however bogus the thing about market and cost vs. benefit has to be taken into consideration. Whether we're united or not, developers won't do it if there's no reason better than just because a bunch of people want it. And while I believe in this cause, I think there are way more important things the blind community could be a lot more united about. Getting back on topic though... I do agree that something needs to be done. But frankly... I'm not quite sure how to go about doing it either. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
