Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
so, how the hell would someone remember that? I can just imagine that, coming to my computer and thinking, hmm, what did I set as new my password? Oh yes, I remember now. Well, I remember the first 10 chars, but not the rest. You would need to copy and paste it everytime you wanted to log in. -- From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:59 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. These password okay: [EMAIL PROTECTED](78)@⌡φ├98○Ä28bÖ↑1«¡1¢'''ghve And sorry if that sounds like spam, but its a very strong password that should be hard to crack! 70 chars! -Ryan On 2/19/08, Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A mix of letters to numbers is hard for a brute force cracker to go through. At 05:25 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:36 PM To: Andy Smith; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
what's orca setup? or do you mean gnome and that? - Original Message - From: Kuvvosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:36 PM To: Andy Smith; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
If he did windows in 2 hours. Then I can tell you he never got into a linix system, because they are not as open as windows. Why do you think the government still uses unix and linix for all military bases. Because its the hardest to crack and easiest to trace you from. over 90% of web sites are ran off linix or unix boxes, because of there safety factor. At 09:19 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:36 PM To: Andy Smith; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
NO. I was a co-owner of a mailing list. NO messages are going through and it says I don't even belong now. I can't get into the site to do anything. will Shane Davidson please write to me? Dean Masters - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Was it only usagames.us that was affected? At 12:36 PM 19/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Hi Stephen, No. The attack and break in was against Shane's hosting company, Shaned.net hosting services, and the hacker destroyed everything on the server. USA Games just happened to be in the hackers way as well as several other companies Shane hosts for. So there is quite a few other lists, companies, down right now. Stephen wrote: Was it only usagames.us that was affected? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dean, Shane is doing his best to get in touch with everyone about their accounts. If you haven't resolved your issues by the time of this email write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you his tech support phone number so you can get your issues sorted out. Dean Masters wrote: NO. I was a co-owner of a mailing list. NO messages are going through and it says I don't even belong now. I can't get into the site to do anything. will Shane Davidson please write to me? Dean Masters --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well I not going to start a flame war, but. I'm talking about Standard Web Server setup with all security. The government and military use a Network infostructor setup, and they do got Windows and sometimes Mac in that network for a good reason. Linux is so open source it's not hard to figure out how to hack. And besides It's mainly the fact that Government and Military won't say they got hacked. It wouldn't flow in the news good. Also they hire people to hack there system so they can fix any problems and so forth big diff. I'm just saying windows is more secured out of the box the the other OS. That's all I'm going to say on this matter. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. If he did windows in 2 hours. Then I can tell you he never got into a linix system, because they are not as open as windows. Why do you think the government still uses unix and linix for all military bases. Because its the hardest to crack and easiest to trace you from. over 90% of web sites are ran off linix or unix boxes, because of there safety factor. At 09:19 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:36 PM To: Andy Smith; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Hi Kuvvosh, Either those Macs and Linux were never patched and the windows has powerful firewalls, it seems unlikely. Macs and Linux are generally much more secure, particularly because black-hats won't waste there time on an OS that doesn't get the majority of the market. Experts at Sophos Labs claim 93 percent ( I believe) of black-hats will be trying to exploit Macs next, its only a matter of time. Cracking of any system is usually the fault of the user, not updating (there was a critical patch the other day), not using very strong passwords over 16 chars with symbols, upper/lower case letters and numbers. There are of course worms that target exploits, but those aren't used as much anymore, because believe it or not Microsoft understands security better, if you don't believe me ask a security professional who isn't biased to hate Microsoft. The more security you add, the more applications and services don't work, they brake, and things get slower. That's why Vista isn't as secure as I thought, although I feel they had a good balance. Microsoft should add 2 versions, a more home-standard user with security such as the protection in Vista, but with Zero-Day Protection. Another business version with hard-core security, since you aren't playing Direct X 9 Games when your supposed to do some kind of paper? Right?! Well sorry if I got a little OT, but considering this is a topic about the USA Games site, I felt that is directly related to it. Thanks -Ryan www.rsgames.co.nr --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Ah you mean web server security. I don't know much about it, and I agree with the gov/military statement.. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well I can crack any windows box with one key f8, but on a unix or linix box it takes me longer. . You may find windows in some government offices, but there not connected to any out side web. There email and browser is routed through the network firewall, witch is about 5 to 10 layers deep with auto tracing. And yes the military is on the web just like the CIA and FBI. At 10:41 AM 2/19/2008, you wrote: Well I not going to start a flame war, but. I'm talking about Standard Web Server setup with all security. The government and military use a Network infostructor setup, and they do got Windows and sometimes Mac in that network for a good reason. Linux is so open source it's not hard to figure out how to hack. And besides It's mainly the fact that Government and Military won't say they got hacked. It wouldn't flow in the news good. Also they hire people to hack there system so they can fix any problems and so forth big diff. I'm just saying windows is more secured out of the box the the other OS. That's all I'm going to say on this matter. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. If he did windows in 2 hours. Then I can tell you he never got into a linix system, because they are not as open as windows. Why do you think the government still uses unix and linix for all military bases. Because its the hardest to crack and easiest to trace you from. over 90% of web sites are ran off linix or unix boxes, because of there safety factor. At 09:19 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:36 PM To: Andy Smith; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL
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And yes it is open-source... On Feb 19, 2008 4:25 PM, Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Ah you mean web server security. I don't know much about it, and I agree with the gov/military statement.. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Uhm, that password isn't secured. . . More alone the line like this Z3¿e84º21Br¿25?56a! Some crack programs don't include odd ACII codes. I could show other weird characters but, heck all my passwords has one or two in them. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of josh Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A mix of letters to numbers is hard for a brute force cracker to go through. At 05:25 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can't use \, /, ? and a lot from the top shifted rwo of numbers, but something like 32.game.44x would work just fine. At 05:44 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: Uhm, that password isn't secured. . . More alone the line like this Z3¿e84º21Br¿25?56a! Some crack programs don't include odd ACII codes. I could show other weird characters but, heck all my passwords has one or two in them. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of josh Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
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These password okay: [EMAIL PROTECTED](78)@⌡φ├98○Ä28bÖ↑1«¡1¢'''ghve And sorry if that sounds like spam, but its a very strong password that should be hard to crack! 70 chars! -Ryan On 2/19/08, Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A mix of letters to numbers is hard for a brute force cracker to go through. At 05:25 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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there is a drawback to these though. Sure you could use something random but you couldn't remember them. So you would have to store them somewhere. and if someone got in well. At 11:25 a.m. 20/02/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have my passwords prity much simple but then I have no real reason to secure everything. Everything I have is free online forums, etc non critical stuff. there is 1 password for everything. Then there are private ftps and well I have a password for that. Then their is the net, there is a password for that and for my dad's email, however Since I don't have to use them once set up I have had to hack into my own computers with a broot force crack program just to find what my own passwords are incase of a crash. The only real password I'd probably have to care about is my bank, and even then in banks you have a 15 number userid. So if I am not a serious hacker I doubt I'd bother hacking in even if the password was dog. At 12:36 p.m. 20/02/2008, you wrote: A mix of letters to numbers is hard for a brute force cracker to go through. At 05:25 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years of experience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far more secure than MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before, but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poor password management. In Shane's case his server had a week password on the root acount, and that is how it was highjacked. Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user. Many do not change the default password they were given by their college or ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guess like the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, their favorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple security test on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types so on a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in the computer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, but this is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote: You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system. . . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what, he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows took longer but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certified ITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple system network. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your
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true but how do you type some of those chars. Its a shame damien is not here. On our last conversation he had something like over 21000 passwords. I have told him he really should make a password generator program at some point. I don't know any off the top of my head that are being used currently however his stuff is a bunch of words strung together. At 12:59 p.m. 20/02/2008, you wrote: These password okay: a1Aúaaâ [EMAIL PROTECTED](78)@â¡Ïâ98âÃ28bÃâ1«¡1¢'''ghve And sorry if that sounds like spam, but its a very strong password that should be hard to crack! 70 chars! -Ryan On 2/19/08, Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A mix of letters to numbers is hard for a brute force cracker to go through. At 05:25 PM 2/19/2008, you wrote: hi thomas, maybe people should use passwords like this one just as an example. d3gf9800Ed20di99ha408jza202njdlk614 Josh- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi Kuvvosh,I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this point. In my years ofexperience with operating systems FreeBSD and Linux have been far moresecure tha n MS Windows every time. Yes, Linux has been cracked before,but usually it falls under misconfigured security or down right poorpassword management. In Shane's case his server had a week password onthe root acount, and that is how it was highjacked.Over the years I discovered something about your average computer user.Many do not change the default password they were given by their collegeor ISP, and the other half give their password something easy to guesslike the name of their dog, their boy friend's first name, theirfavorite music artest, etc. For example, I was doing a simple securitytest on my in-laws computer. I knew they are the very religious types soon a whim I tried Jesus as the password first. Bingo I was in thecomputer with full admin rights on the first try. It sounds stupid, butthis is exactly how easy some people make hacking and cracking. Kuvvosh wrote:You said Linux? Oh my, 5 minute hack is simple to do on a Linux system.. . And no I don't hack. . . But, I've seen somebody that hacked into a few systems, totally setup and supposed to be completely secured, and gues what,he hacked the Mac in less then 3 mins, and linux 5 mins and windows tooklonger but he finally hacked it in 2 hours. Mind you this was certifiedITT's that set these suckers up. Best way to keep people hacking so easy is doing a multiple systemnetwork. I used to had my own set up a few years back, and hosted web sites for awhile. But, I had people try to hack it. Never could get past all the Security and fake doors I had. Orca setup I had it's the bomb. Besides it's what Ebay uses. Kuvvosh ---Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.orgIf you want to leave the list, send E-mail toGamers-unsub [EMAIL PROTECTED]You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, athttp://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of thelist,please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/200810:55 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archiv e.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
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Hi, I'd make a password gen, in fact I have one already done in autoit, I'll tweak it and put it up. Those chars can be made by pressing alt and a combo of numbers. Just keep typing in random numbers and you can get a very strong password. I'll convert it to vb, the pas gen, unless Damien would rather code one. -Ryan Head of RSG Dev at X-Sight Interactive www.rsgames.co.nr www.x-sight-interactive.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well if you have one to code then thats good. There is no official x-sight project list. Its not likely that it would matter if there was more than 1 gen out there. And its about time there was one. At 02:35 p.m. 20/02/2008, you wrote: Hi, I'd make a password gen, in fact I have one already done in autoit, I'll tweak it and put it up. Those chars can be made by pressing alt and a combo of numbers. Just keep typing in random numbers and you can get a very strong password. I'll convert it to vb, the pas gen, unless Damien would rather code one. -Ryan Head of RSG Dev at X-Sight Interactive www.rsgames.co.nr www.x-sight-interactive.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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put it up on public ftp, that way it will stay up there. -- From: Andy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Um. Ok, then. Should I put azteks setup on sendspace? Lol call me weird but I back up everything. Now only if I backed up the php on the site then you wouldn't have to restore anything. Don't think that'd be possible but. Anyway if its ok i'll put it all back up, the azteks setup I mean, through sentspace. On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:56:45 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think there should be a public black list of people who hack developer websites and crack games. Imagine no one willing to cell you their accessible games? That would make people think twice before doing something stupid like this. - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. you mean you've found out who did it and where they live? wow. that was quick detective work. Was it a list member? At 11:28 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Liam, Unfortunately, all of my addresses are asigned to my UUSA Games domains and servers. However, they are all now fixed. If you want to email me privately you can write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the message should go through. Though, I am planning on adding box trapper to my email services which forces people to register themselves with my white list so I can cut down on the spam and other crap coming in on all of my accounts. If you get the box trapper message just replay to the message request it sends you, and it will add your email address to the white list. Liam Erven wrote: anyone know if thomas has a secondary email account I can reach him at? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Was it only usagames.us that was affected? At 12:36 PM 19/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Andy, I don't want to say too much about how it was done, but I will just say the cracker managed to gain illegal access to the Linux root account, and then proceeded to rm -rf * everything in site including the backups. We have reinstalled most of the basic services, and I have spoken to Shane and he has made sure the security whole was fixed. At least we are sure the cracker won't gain entry through that whole again. As for the USA Games web site we are using a double backup polacy from now on. Shane will do daily backups of the server images, and I will be doing weekly backups of the USA Games home directory. That way just in case anything this horrible happens again there will be account backups in two places. Andy Smith wrote: Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Oh so thats how did it, so he had to into the Linux system first then deleted the files with rm - rf? I believe I remember Sun did some kind of update? It doesn't let it get removed or something, but I am glad its back. That could go to legal action, its against the US Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of I believe 2000... Cheers Ryan Smith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, What Apache server were you running? Up to date I hope! Also, I'm kind of sick of these hackings... first rsg, what do these people look at every vulnerability possible! How this morning? I was on it around noon I believe.. At least just the data was gone, and they didn't replace index.phpwith something else! I feel bad for you, if you need anything, and if theres any kind of logging of visitors and logins which I'll get around to eventually to code, you really should take some kind of action, stuff like this gets out of control.. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Damn it! what's the matter with people! Just when things are getting back on track someone has to go and wreck things again! At 10:56 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Um. Ok, then. Should I put azteks setup on sendspace? Lol call me weird but I back up everything. Now only if I backed up the php on the site then you wouldn't have to restore anything. Don't think that'd be possible but. Anyway if its ok i'll put it all back up, the azteks setup I mean, through sentspace. On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:56:45 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Well, looks like hackers don't care. How did the idiot get in in the first place? On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:05:36 -0500, Ryan Smith wrote: Hi, What Apache server were you running? Up to date I hope! Also, I'm kind of sick of these hackings... first rsg, what do these people look at every vulnerability possible! How this morning? I was on it around noon I believe.. At least just the data was gone, and they didn't replace index.phpwith something else! I feel bad for you, if you need anything, and if theres any kind of logging of visitors and logins which I'll get around to eventually to code, you really should take some kind of action, stuff like this gets out of control.. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Damn it! what's the matter with people! Just when things are getting back on track someone has to go and wreck things again! At 10:56 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lol that is really weird. It'd be tough to figure out the punk who did it, but lol look at my msn name. I am also angry about this, and when things were going so well, now they're shattered again... On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:28:11 -0500, Shane Davidson wrote: I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Damn it! what's the matter with people! Just when things are getting back on track someone has to go and wreck things again! At 10:56 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
I have all the usagames, mystery of astecks, and well stfc. I could mirror all that on public ftp,ofcause i have montisumer to but we are not supposed to share that so I won't. However I can keep a perminant mirror of things whatever people want or devs want, programs, etc on my public ftp account, and unless I hand a link to someone for direct download no one can get access to the files. At 01:09 p.m. 18/02/2008, you wrote: Um. Ok, then. Should I put azteks setup on sendspace? Lol call me weird but I back up everything. Now only if I backed up the php on the site then you wouldn't have to restore anything. Don't think that'd be possible but. Anyway if its ok i'll put it all back up, the azteks setup I mean, through sentspace. On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:56:45 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you mean you've found out who did it and where they live? wow. that was quick detective work. Was it a list member? At 11:28 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
was it some blind person? - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. you mean you've found out who did it and where they live? wow. that was quick detective work. Was it a list member? At 11:28 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1283 - Release Date: 2/16/2008 2:16 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
anyone know if thomas has a secondary email account I can reach him at? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hello everyone, We are sending this email out to inform everyone that this morning a hacker broke into our web host's root account and deleted all of the files on the server, and our web host is unable to restore from server backups do to this attack. As a result USA Games currently has lost all mailing lists, email accounts, the web site, some php scripts, our newly setup wiki service for developers, etc. We have not had a chance to fully assess the damage yet, but this hacking break in is very bad. I might have the basic site up and running in a week, but some of it could take closer to two weeks to get setup again. UI will email the list more once my mail server is back up and running again. Right now I am sending this email out via third-party smtp server so I can send messages, but not receive them. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
I'll hold my tongue on this issue, but I have my own thoughts on why this happened. - Original Message - From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. you mean you've found out who did it and where they live? wow. that was quick detective work. Was it a list member? At 11:28 AM 18/02/2008, you wrote: I know this. I am thom's hosting provider, my company that is, and we are more than livid about the situation. a coleague had to physically restrain me from jumping on the next plane to open up a can of butt kicking on the guy. We are presuing legal action. and are as we speak reloading the software to restore the server. Thanks all a very very very very angry shane davidson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
You guys didn't read his message properly I see. Thomas didn't say his computer was hacked. He said the root of his hosting company he uses was hacked into. So, this means that Thomas using Vista has nothing to do with it. You should read the message more carefully. smile. jason wrote: Yeah Ryan I know what you mean he is using vista I thought the trust platform modual was supposed to prevent this stuff from happening, h it looks like vista has bugs. The trust platform modual by the way is a modual that is supposed to prevent people from getting your using name and password looks like a security flaw. windowslive contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype contact kb3icc This is Jason known as Blind Fury - Original Message - From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi, What Apache server were you running? Up to date I hope! Also, I'm kind of sick of these hackings... first rsg, what do these people look at every vulnerability possible! How this morning? I was on it around noon I believe.. At least just the data was gone, and they didn't replace index.phpwith something else! I feel bad for you, if you need anything, and if theres any kind of logging of visitors and logins which I'll get around to eventually to code, you really should take some kind of action, stuff like this gets out of control.. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Raul A. Gallegos .. http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
Yeah Ryan I know what you mean he is using vista I thought the trust platform modual was supposed to prevent this stuff from happening, h it looks like vista has bugs. The trust platform modual by the way is a modual that is supposed to prevent people from getting your using name and password looks like a security flaw. windowslive contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype contact kb3icc This is Jason known as Blind Fury - Original Message - From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down. Hi, What Apache server were you running? Up to date I hope! Also, I'm kind of sick of these hackings... first rsg, what do these people look at every vulnerability possible! How this morning? I was on it around noon I believe.. At least just the data was gone, and they didn't replace index.phpwith something else! I feel bad for you, if you need anything, and if theres any kind of logging of visitors and logins which I'll get around to eventually to code, you really should take some kind of action, stuff like this gets out of control.. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] USA Games site and services down.
HI everyone, I have been following this thread through the list archives, and I thought I would reply to all of your questions and comments in one pop. First, I would like to mention that it was not my laptop that was hacked. It was my web host, the company that hosts my web site, email, and other services that got hacked. This has nothing to do with Windows Vista security. I have two laptops, one old one, and one new one, running Vista and both are very secure. Second, I want to assure everyone there is no need to go uploading my game setup files to send space etc. I still have those setup files on my backup drives, or I can recompile the setup files from sources. As for my web site, php scripts, etc I still have older copies of the web site scripts in my own backups. While my web host is reinstalling there servers I am updating my copies of the php scripts, web site pages, etc I have on hand to reflect some of the newer changes.Like I said the basics should be back in place inside a week. Finally, I'd like to end this mail on a positive note. I want to just say nothing was lost that I can not do without or replace. For example I lost the list of mail subscribers for the gamers and developers list. However, once those lists are setup again everyone can resubscribe. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
