Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
You sound like a NFB member Shawn? They think almost anything for the blind is crap. At 06:55 PM 3/30/2013, you wrote: why would you even want to bother with the windows games? Lets see most of them are card games and a chess game 3d pinball and some other junk. Sadly these are just crappy games from ms which come with the os. We have most of those games and unlike the ms ones they are accessable and probably not crap. spoonbil has soliteer in various formats as well as other stuff. jim kitchen has more stuff. we have both the quentin c and rs games clients doing card games. we have esp pinbal and the extreem version, we have mine sweeper both by the makers of night of parasite, and gma. we have blindadrenaline we have all in play. We have basically all ms games that were preinstalled on windows, even the sighted think of them as crap, basic and simple and no one really plays them. my point, we have enough games we have made our selves that are superior to the ones windows has even the oldest games by jim kitchen are superior. At 04:11 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
They do offer some really nice backwards compatibility, but that's the largest point I can support. You can still go on their sight and get windows 3.1 and dos versions of jaws. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:25:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Honestly Charles, from what I've seen over the years, you might as well have punched yourself in the face repeatedly for all the good it'll do. I've never known FS to do anything for the actual community other than raise prices and remove features, and I doubt they'd bother to care at this point. It's good that you also sent it to microsoft - as bad as MS is, at least they're not FS, and they might actually care. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Perhaps, but I also understand the reasons why someone like Ashley left the list. She is only a journalist, here to do a story, and has no personal interest in the subject of audio games beyond her initial research for her article. It would be nice if someone like Popular Mechanics would take a more extensive look at audio gaming in general, but you know the reality which is that we are only a passing curiosity as far as most of their readership is concerned. We probably wouldn't hold the majority of the readers attention for long. As for myself I'm just glad we are out there and have got some long over due coverage by a mainstream outlet. Cheers! On 3/29/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Rats! Wouldn't it be nice for someone or someones to keep interest in this list and really get some good info and spread it around? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
Most of the games that come with windows seven (maybe later?) are almost entirely accessable already. I haven't tried the internet based ones, but all of the offline games seem to be button based, which means that they do get read off quite nicely. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
Honestly Charles, from what I've seen over the years, you might as well have punched yourself in the face repeatedly for all the good it'll do. I've never known FS to do anything for the actual community other than raise prices and remove features, and I doubt they'd bother to care at this point. It's good that you also sent it to microsoft - as bad as MS is, at least they're not FS, and they might actually care. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
well on the subject of mainstreaming we really have no hopes of making it to the likes of sony etc yet the small to medium sized companies is where we are at for direct dev access. The thing is there is so much prapiratory compression and stuff. If every game had the possibility for addons to it to be made or somehow for access to be added then as long as one could interface with the game engine, the main companys wouldn't necessarily write access for the game as such but who knows. At 12:09 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics
why would you even want to bother with the windows games? Lets see most of them are card games and a chess game 3d pinball and some other junk. Sadly these are just crappy games from ms which come with the os. We have most of those games and unlike the ms ones they are accessable and probably not crap. spoonbil has soliteer in various formats as well as other stuff. jim kitchen has more stuff. we have both the quentin c and rs games clients doing card games. we have esp pinbal and the extreem version, we have mine sweeper both by the makers of night of parasite, and gma. we have blindadrenaline we have all in play. We have basically all ms games that were preinstalled on windows, even the sighted think of them as crap, basic and simple and no one really plays them. my point, we have enough games we have made our selves that are superior to the ones windows has even the oldest games by jim kitchen are superior. At 04:11 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
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are they any good. yes I fiddled with 3d pinball on xp but only half heartedly, I have always thought the os games are with the box and are crap and basic and not worth bothering with. but then I have never played them. 3d pinball is the only game which is not crap in the sence its got sounds and music though the music is repititive and boring the sounds well they are ok but I have never really held down a game for to long though I could tell what was going on. I got some good scores in 3d pinball, though I played it on a system while I was maintaining it. I really should load games I don't need headsets to play on systems I regularly do things just so I have something to do. At 04:56 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: Most of the games that come with windows seven (maybe later?) are almost entirely accessable already. I haven't tried the internet based ones, but all of the offline games seem to be button based, which means that they do get read off quite nicely. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list
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Get real. The reason you would bother with them is that people play them. Don't you realize that just because you personally think they are worth anything, not everyone shares your opinion? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics why would you even want to bother with the windows games? Lets see most of them are card games and a chess game 3d pinball and some other junk. Sadly these are just crappy games from ms which come with the os. We have most of those games and unlike the ms ones they are accessable and probably not crap. spoonbil has soliteer in various formats as well as other stuff. jim kitchen has more stuff. we have both the quentin c and rs games clients doing card games. we have esp pinbal and the extreem version, we have mine sweeper both by the makers of night of parasite, and gma. we have blindadrenaline we have all in play. We have basically all ms games that were preinstalled on windows, even the sighted think of them as crap, basic and simple and no one really plays them. my point, we have enough games we have made our selves that are superior to the ones windows has even the oldest games by jim kitchen are superior. At 04:11 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman
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true, I have never actually bothered trying to look though, or stopped to ask if they are really worth the trouble of actually doing anything with. At 12:04 PM 3/31/2013, you wrote: Get real. The reason you would bother with them is that people play them. Don't you realize that just because you personally think they are worth anything, not everyone shares your opinion? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics why would you even want to bother with the windows games? Lets see most of them are card games and a chess game 3d pinball and some other junk. Sadly these are just crappy games from ms which come with the os. We have most of those games and unlike the ms ones they are accessable and probably not crap. spoonbil has soliteer in various formats as well as other stuff. jim kitchen has more stuff. we have both the quentin c and rs games clients doing card games. we have esp pinbal and the extreem version, we have mine sweeper both by the makers of night of parasite, and gma. we have blindadrenaline we have all in play. We have basically all ms games that were preinstalled on windows, even the sighted think of them as crap, basic and simple and no one really plays them. my point, we have enough games we have made our selves that are superior to the ones windows has even the oldest games by jim kitchen are superior. At 04:11 AM 3/31/2013, you wrote: I have requested that Freedom Scientific do some work on getting the games that come with Windows accessible. I have also contacted Microsoft on this so that they and FS might work together. I hate the attitude of FS. They, in no uncertain terms, let me know that jaws, after all, stands for Job! access! with speech. I asked them how many of their customers use their computers at home? And how many of those computers already have the Windows games installed? And if they knew how many people play those games? They are not at all interested in the project. Between organizations like this, and rehab, I get furiously disgusted. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Charles, Well, we can certainly hope. As you say Popular Mechanics is redistributed via NLS and perhaps more blind and visually impaired people will here about us. However, there is a bigger hope that mainstream game developers will take notice of a growing community of blind people who are looking fore more and more accessible games. If nothing else I think people who know someone who is blind will go online and give them some games to play. It amazes me how many blind people who are out there who have computers and are still in the dark when it comes to computer games. I suppose part can be blamed on the rehab centers which buy them, show them Jaws, and don't mention there are games and things to do, or even worse tell them specifically that the system is to be used for work and not play. Case in point. A few years ago I was contacted by a blind woman in my area who does medical transcription at the hospital. Well, she has a computer, and she was just looking for a few simple games like Uno, Solitare, Hearts, etc and didn't have any idea that the Spoonbill and Jim Kitchen games existed. I installed them on her home machine, for which she was greatful, but I didn't do anything the local BSVI rehab tech ould have done when he gave it to her to begin with. All because rehab tends to see computers simply as tools for work rather than the multipurpose device it is. Anyway, my hope is that more people will hear about us and will join in the fun. They need more resources than rehab centers that aren't too interested in making their clients aware of games and other things to do besides running Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, and Jaws. Cheers! On 3/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Right. I totally understand why she was on the list for a short time rather than becoming a subscriber. One thought I do have, though, is this: Popular Mechanics is produced for the Library of Congress Talking Book program. I'm thinking that some blind readers might not know that such games exist, and they will check this out. Also, parents, relatives and friends of potential gamers might check into it for their blind family members or friends because of this article. We can always hope, right? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers
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Hi Shaun, Well, I think you are right that companies like Sony are pretty much a lost cause. They'll take one look at that article and read there are 2,000 members in our community to date and say that's not worth spit which is true. However, there are many independent developers out there developing PC games who are just getting by or are doing it as a secondary income who can be persuaded to add access if they know how. Take Smugglers 5 as an example here. The Developer didn't have to add extra accessibility for us, and his target audience wasn't the blind or low vision at all. However, here was a game that was reasonably accessible, just needed a few issues addressed, and now can be enjoyed by someone with a screen reader almost as well as a sighted gamer. If we can find more developers like Neils that would be great. Cheers! On 3/30/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well on the subject of mainstreaming we really have no hopes of making it to the likes of sony etc yet the small to medium sized companies is where we are at for direct dev access. The thing is there is so much prapiratory compression and stuff. If every game had the possibility for addons to it to be made or somehow for access to be added then as long as one could interface with the game engine, the main companys wouldn't necessarily write access for the game as such but who knows. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I agree completely, indeed this is part of the job I do for audiogames.net, though one severe problem on both windows and mac is a technical one, since there are many games, such as some stratogy games which would be as easily accessible as smugglers, but which use graphical, rather than textual text to represent their information, thus meaning it's not just a case of labeling the immages and fixing navigation, but of entirely rewriting the game. It's actually a real shame since if it weren't for this, something like starcraft could potentially be very accessible simply through it's text. It's a shame that there isnt' some sort of easy ocr tool which overlays screen reader readable text onto graphical text and lets the user move around it and click on it with normal screen reader functions, since that would make lots of games accessible. I also agree about big companies being a waste of time as far as access goes, but failing some sort of major economic change whereby companies were required! to include access in their games (which wouldn't be possible without a major altering in the structure of the world), I don't see anything happening there. A company may produce something like sound voyager occasionally as an experiment, but I don't see them as being more commonplace than that. On the plus side however, Indi games are very much the way to go, and I've also noticed indi developers tend to be a much nicer bunch to work with anyway, as well as there being more indi developers all the time. indeed, my brother was saying yesterday that most serious gamers these days are rather losing faith in sony, capcom etc since there games are becoming less creative and more and more derivative as time goes onn, he even stated that in tomb raider, resident evil, soul calibur and in fact street fighter recent entries had been panned by fans for offering very little that was new or interesting to play while upping the synamatic appeal and generic plots, (apparently the recent time delay sequences in tomb raider have pissed off lots of people). apparently these days, older games and indi games are getting far more seriously played as compared to what the major companies are offering. So, maybe all those scumbags will go out of business :D. #Seriously, this again however is a good thing, since if more gamers turn to the independent devs, and more indi devs include access, access gets promoted. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Rats! Wouldn't it be nice for someone or someones to keep interest in this list and really get some good info and spread it around? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:45 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator message - Inquiry From Popular Mechanics Hi Shaun and all, Ashley has left the list so if you have a message for Ashley please contact her directly rather than through the mailing list. Thanks. On 3/28/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: thanks for the article ashly. this is quite good. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Perhaps, but I also understand the reasons why someone like Ashley left the list. She is only a journalist, here to do a story, and has no personal interest in the subject of audio games beyond her initial research for her article. It would be nice if someone like Popular Mechanics would take a more extensive look at audio gaming in general, but you know the reality which is that we are only a passing curiosity as far as most of their readership is concerned. We probably wouldn't hold the majority of the readers attention for long. As for myself I'm just glad we are out there and have got some long over due coverage by a mainstream outlet. Cheers! On 3/29/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Rats! Wouldn't it be nice for someone or someones to keep interest in this list and really get some good info and spread it around? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
