Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-03 Thread Ruchi Patil
Thanks everybody for your valuable inputs.

As for books, my son reads a lot of 
1. magic school bus
2. Magic treehouse
3. enid Blyton - mr meddle
4. a to z mysteries
5. my weird school

As for games, we play a few talking games besides the electronics ones
mentioned on my list;
1. Atlas
2. Name place animal thing
3. Neither yes, nor no

And as for pretend play, he is into
1. doctor
2. car service centre
3. Miner or exporter  - playing trucker on Jim Kitchen's website

Will post more as things evolve.

Thanks and regards.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard
Sent: 02 May 2012 19:17
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad

The thing about the Nintendo Wii is that it offers several titles which can
be enjoyed, not only Wii Sports and the sequal Wii Sports Resort (which
offers many more interesting games), but most of the party games as well.

Also, with that console, even if your child is not playing the game at the
same level as a sighted friend, they are still able to enjoy them.

There are certainly several mainstream games which can be played, given time
and patience. And if you are going to help him, the list increases. I
sometimes just sist back and direct my wife to play through a game with me
which would otherwise be inaccessible, and that experience works fine.

It would be very helpful to me, from a recommendation standpoint, to know
what sort of games, books, or pretend play your child enjoys.
Shaun recommended in his first message an enormous list of games and
developers. Certainly every developer and game is worth playing about with,
and those developers are for strictly accessible games, but it would shorten
the list to know what your child enjoys.

I suggest, though, that you do start out with these games, as they are
designed for blind persons to enjoy. I think that even the die-hard console
gamers will agree with me that there is a certain level of frustration in
learning a console that is not present in learning most audio games.

I would also like to offer a cautionery word. Learning how to use mainstream
devices is both easier and more rewarding than it was.
Apple does a fantastic job of making their IPad, IPod, and IPhone accessible
to the blind.d Other companies lag behind, but many are moving slowly in
that direction. However, there are still many devices, gaming consoles among
them, which are not designed for blind individuals to use. We use them,
because we try very hard and are prepared for huge setbacks. Still, I urge
you to be very careful in providing your child with only these devices and
not investigating the audio games which are currently available. I do not
mean that you are failing your child in any respect, and I see that you have
said your son plays games on a notetaker, so it is clear that you are aware
and willing to obtain these devices. I only urge caution and careful
consideration when purchasing a new device which is not blind friendly,
because it can either be tremendously rewarding and last in his mind as a
treasured memory, or it can be frustrating and end up collecting dust in a
closet.

still, I also urge you to experiment and have fun. That is probably the best
path to discovery.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 5/2/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 I must say on the subject of the psp that each games has an os update.
 ie if you don't have the requirements it asks you to install them and 
 does so.
 I have not seen this on any other gaming units.
 quite good.
 Each time you buy a new game you may get a new os upgrade which just
rocks.

 At 11:39 a.m. 1/05/2012 -0700, you wrote:
I have a PSP and unfortunately the only real accessible games for 
blind folks- without sighted help, are the verses fighting games like 
streetfighter, tekken, etc.
But there are plentty of those for the PSP, so long as you help your 
kid memorize the layout of the main menu, and how to get to the games, 
etc, there shouldn't be any issue.


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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-03 Thread Ruchi Patil
Thanks Clement, for your valuable inputs.

As for GTA, he plays with a sighted help. 
The games you mention for the PSP, would need help initially or everytime?
Would they be playable independently?

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: 02 May 2012 21:41
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad

Dakotah made some good points. I don't know much about the wii so I can't
comment much on it. But as I said, if your son already plays GTA that may
make things somewhat easier. I started my gaming career through consoles
before I even knew audio games existed, so I think it's entirely dependent
on what the person is looking for. Audio games are a good place to start,
but I think it's often more frustrating to play them first, as you then
expect console games to be as simple and get more frustrated when you
actually have to learn them. Though I will agree that sitting down with
someone and playing through an action adventure together is pretty good too.

And Dakotah also said that apple devices are more accessible... this is also
definitely true, and I think games there would be somewhat easier to get
into, since they're more integrated and learning the ipod or iphone would be
simple. But all in all, I'd say the psp has a good list of games, all be it
a small one... but if your son is willing to put in the energy to learn it
and if you can help him along, it's definitely something to enjoy. Here's a
short list of games that I think are accessible in series format, and as
most people have said, pretty much all of these games are fighting games.
Tekken series, with two games
Street Fighter, which has one game on the psp and a few as part of capcom
arcade collections Mortal Kombat unchained Fight night and other boxing type
games WWE smack down vs. raw I haven't played all of these, and there are
also more games than what is listed here. That's just a start. 


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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-03 Thread Clement Chou
Once he learns the menus and character selection screens, he can mess around 
in training mode to learn what sounds signify what. After that, he can play 
independently. A bit of work, but it'll pay off... especially as fighting 
games test reflexes and reactions, as well as teaching how to strategize.
- Original Message - 
From: Ruchi Patil ruchi_pa...@samruddha.net

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad



Thanks Clement, for your valuable inputs.

As for GTA, he plays with a sighted help.
The games you mention for the PSP, would need help initially or everytime?
Would they be playable independently?

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: 02 May 2012 21:41
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad

Dakotah made some good points. I don't know much about the wii so I can't
comment much on it. But as I said, if your son already plays GTA that may
make things somewhat easier. I started my gaming career through consoles
before I even knew audio games existed, so I think it's entirely dependent
on what the person is looking for. Audio games are a good place to start,
but I think it's often more frustrating to play them first, as you then
expect console games to be as simple and get more frustrated when you
actually have to learn them. Though I will agree that sitting down with
someone and playing through an action adventure together is pretty good 
too.


And Dakotah also said that apple devices are more accessible... this is 
also

definitely true, and I think games there would be somewhat easier to get
into, since they're more integrated and learning the ipod or iphone would 
be
simple. But all in all, I'd say the psp has a good list of games, all be 
it

a small one... but if your son is willing to put in the energy to learn it
and if you can help him along, it's definitely something to enjoy. Here's 
a

short list of games that I think are accessible in series format, and as
most people have said, pretty much all of these games are fighting games.
Tekken series, with two games
Street Fighter, which has one game on the psp and a few as part of capcom
arcade collections Mortal Kombat unchained Fight night and other boxing 
type

games WWE smack down vs. raw I haven't played all of these, and there are
also more games than what is listed here. That's just a start.


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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-03 Thread Ben
once whoever it is gets the hang of it, it'll be absolutely fine!  And since
I have a psp, I'll help if I can.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: 03 May 2012 07:30
To: ruchi_pa...@samruddha.net; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad

Once he learns the menus and character selection screens, he can mess around

in training mode to learn what sounds signify what. After that, he can play 
independently. A bit of work, but it'll pay off... especially as fighting 
games test reflexes and reactions, as well as teaching how to strategize.
- Original Message - 
From: Ruchi Patil ruchi_pa...@samruddha.net
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad


 Thanks Clement, for your valuable inputs.

 As for GTA, he plays with a sighted help.
 The games you mention for the PSP, would need help initially or everytime?
 Would they be playable independently?

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Clement Chou
 Sent: 02 May 2012 21:41
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad

 Dakotah made some good points. I don't know much about the wii so I can't
 comment much on it. But as I said, if your son already plays GTA that may
 make things somewhat easier. I started my gaming career through consoles
 before I even knew audio games existed, so I think it's entirely dependent
 on what the person is looking for. Audio games are a good place to start,
 but I think it's often more frustrating to play them first, as you then
 expect console games to be as simple and get more frustrated when you
 actually have to learn them. Though I will agree that sitting down with
 someone and playing through an action adventure together is pretty good 
 too.

 And Dakotah also said that apple devices are more accessible... this is 
 also
 definitely true, and I think games there would be somewhat easier to get
 into, since they're more integrated and learning the ipod or iphone would 
 be
 simple. But all in all, I'd say the psp has a good list of games, all be 
 it
 a small one... but if your son is willing to put in the energy to learn it
 and if you can help him along, it's definitely something to enjoy. Here's 
 a
 short list of games that I think are accessible in series format, and as
 most people have said, pretty much all of these games are fighting games.
 Tekken series, with two games
 Street Fighter, which has one game on the psp and a few as part of capcom
 arcade collections Mortal Kombat unchained Fight night and other boxing 
 type
 games WWE smack down vs. raw I haven't played all of these, and there are
 also more games than what is listed here. That's just a start.


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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-02 Thread shaun everiss

Hi.
I would also suggest soundrts, quentin c playroom and all the rs 
games client and other games.

I'd also suggest all the usagamesinteractive games.
and maybe aprones games though maybe killing zombies may have to come later.
All the gma games should be  quite good to later on though he is only 
8 so be the judge of that.

then there is sthe blastbay and l-works games.
None of our games are particularly violent most are strat based.
I know there are junk loads of iphone stuff like papa sangre, night 
jar and stem stumper, but I don't know them all as I don't play with 
any apple devices at all.

wie sports can be played.
I have seen the bozz games being played on a ps2 ps3 psp and xbox 360 
as  well as the sing star and some other rock band games.

I have played some of them or heard some of these being played.
Over that, I am not sure.
I suggest if you can your child should run some of the stuff from the 
iff archive, there are loads of things.
I don't know all of them now as I hardly play them and when I do its 
only tads and hugo now.

That and inform are 3 major languages we have played.
Over that there is probably not much I can suggest.
Saying that if you end up finding something that works post it as we 
are always looking.

So experiment and if you find something then post it.
I think yohandy and a few others should advise you as there are at 
least 6 console freaks here on list that seem to be at sighted level 
that I can't even get.

oh if you play entombed to that may be good there are probably others.
I suggest you post something in the general ariea of the 
forum.audiogames.net site

There are loads more players online and a lot are not on here.

At 08:01 p.m. 30/04/2012 +0530, you wrote:

Dear all,



I am a mother of a 8.5 year old blind kid. I am new to the list and may have
missed some information from the mail archives. I want recommendations on
the accessible main stream games that he can play.



He presently plays:

1.   GTA San Andreas

2.   Nintendo wii - tennis and boxing

3.   Braille notetaker - interactive fiction games

4.   Vip game zone games

5.   Jim Kitchen's games



Are there any that he can play on the Nintendo Gameboy or Sony PSP or those
on the Ipad.



Looking forward to hearing from you all.



Warm regards,

Ruchi

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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-02 Thread shaun everiss

I must say on the subject of the psp that each games has an os update.
ie if you don't have the requirements it asks you to install them and does so.
I have not seen this on any other gaming units.
quite good.
Each time you buy a new game you may get a new os upgrade which just rocks.

At 11:39 a.m. 1/05/2012 -0700, you wrote:
I have a PSP and unfortunately the only real accessible games for 
blind folks- without sighted help, are the verses fighting games 
like streetfighter, tekken, etc.
But there are plentty of those for the PSP, so long as you help your 
kid memorize the layout of the main menu, and how to get to the 
games, etc, there shouldn't be any issue.



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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-02 Thread Clement Chou
The ps3 and xbox 350s also have this function, especially for games that 
have online which is more or less 95% of games today. As to games 
themesleves, it's already been pointed out that most games on the psp are 
fighting games. But if your kid already plays GTA... well, that game is 
about as disgusting as it gets, and most fighting games will not be a 
problem. The ipad has some more games that are more kid-friendly, but it's 
all in what your kid wants to play. If you have more questions feel free to 
ask and all of us console fans here will try to answer them.
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To: Johnny Tai johnnyti...@shaw.ca; Gamers Discussion list 
gamers@audyssey.org

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP  Ipad



I must say on the subject of the psp that each games has an os update.
ie if you don't have the requirements it asks you to install them and does 
so.

I have not seen this on any other gaming units.
quite good.
Each time you buy a new game you may get a new os upgrade which just 
rocks.



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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-02 Thread Dakotah Rickard
The thing about the Nintendo Wii is that it offers several titles
which can be enjoyed, not only Wii Sports and the sequal Wii Sports
Resort (which offers many more interesting games), but most of the
party games as well.

Also, with that console, even if your child is not playing the game at
the same level as a sighted friend, they are still able to enjoy them.

There are certainly several mainstream games which can be played,
given time and patience. And if you are going to help him, the list
increases. I sometimes just sist back and direct my wife to play
through a game with me which would otherwise be inaccessible, and that
experience works fine.

It would be very helpful to me, from a recommendation standpoint, to
know what sort of games, books, or pretend play your child enjoys.
Shaun recommended in his first message an enormous list of games and
developers. Certainly every developer and game is worth playing about
with, and those developers are for strictly accessible games, but it
would shorten the list to know what your child enjoys.

I suggest, though, that you do start out with these games, as they are
designed for blind persons to enjoy. I think that even the die-hard
console gamers will agree with me that there is a certain level of
frustration in learning a console that is not present in learning most
audio games.

I would also like to offer a cautionery word. Learning how to use
mainstream devices is both easier and more rewarding than it was.
Apple does a fantastic job of making their IPad, IPod, and IPhone
accessible to the blind.d Other companies lag behind, but many are
moving slowly in that direction. However, there are still many
devices, gaming consoles among them, which are not designed for blind
individuals to use. We use them, because we try very hard and are
prepared for huge setbacks. Still, I urge you to be very careful in
providing your child with only these devices and not investigating the
audio games which are currently available. I do not mean that you are
failing your child in any respect, and I see that you have said your
son plays games on a notetaker, so it is clear that you are aware and
willing to obtain these devices. I only urge caution and careful
consideration when purchasing a new device which is not blind
friendly, because it can either be tremendously rewarding and last in
his mind as a treasured memory, or it can be frustrating and end up
collecting dust in a closet.

still, I also urge you to experiment and have fun. That is probably
the best path to discovery.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 5/2/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 I must say on the subject of the psp that each games has an os update.
 ie if you don't have the requirements it asks you to install them and does
 so.
 I have not seen this on any other gaming units.
 quite good.
 Each time you buy a new game you may get a new os upgrade which just rocks.

 At 11:39 a.m. 1/05/2012 -0700, you wrote:
I have a PSP and unfortunately the only real accessible games for
blind folks- without sighted help, are the verses fighting games
like streetfighter, tekken, etc.
But there are plentty of those for the PSP, so long as you help your
kid memorize the layout of the main menu, and how to get to the
games, etc, there shouldn't be any issue.


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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-02 Thread Clement Chou
Dakotah made some good points. I don't know much about the wii so I can't 
comment much on it. But as I said, if your son already plays GTA that may 
make things somewhat easier. I started my gaming career through consoles 
before I even knew audio games existed, so I think it's entirely dependent 
on what the person is looking for. Audio games are a good place to start, 
but I think it's often more frustrating to play them first, as you then 
expect console games to be as simple and get more frustrated when you 
actually have to learn them. Though I will agree that sitting down with 
someone and playing through an action adventure together is pretty good too. 
And Dakotah also said that apple devices are more accessible... this is also 
definitely true, and I think games there would be somewhat easier to get 
into, since they're more integrated and learning the ipod or iphone would be 
simple. But all in all, I'd say the psp has a good list of games, all be it 
a small one... but if your son is willing to put in the energy to learn it 
and if you can help him along, it's definitely something to enjoy. Here's a 
short list of games that I think are accessible in series format, and as 
most people have said, pretty much all of these games are fighting games.

Tekken series, with two games
Street Fighter, which has one game on the psp and a few as part of capcom 
arcade collections

Mortal Kombat unchained
Fight night and other boxing type games
WWE smack down vs. raw
I haven't played all of these, and there are also more games than what is 
listed here. That's just a start. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Sony PSP Ipad

2012-05-01 Thread Johnny Tai
I have a PSP and unfortunately the only real accessible games for blind 
folks- without sighted help, are the verses fighting games like 
streetfighter, tekken, etc.
But there are plentty of those for the PSP, so long as you help your kid 
memorize the layout of the main menu, and how to get to the games, etc, 
there shouldn't be any issue.



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