Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Yup. And you can keep it if you complete the entire course. I still have mine. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind Hello Keith, The best way to learn Chess as a blind gamer is to sign up for the Chess course from Hadley School for the Blind. The course is fully accessible and you even get an accessible Chess set as a student. Cheers! On 6/27/14, Keith S ks.steinbac...@gmail.com wrote: can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind person? I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the crap out of me. Thanks Keith Blind but not Useless --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Hi, I believe this may have gotten lost in the ether, as I myself did not get the eMail I sent, but I recall Charles mentioning that Shredder for the PC is accessible. TO what extent is this true? So far, I've gotten it to read its moves back to me, but not to see any representation o fthe chess board from withn shredder itself. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 7:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind Yup. And you can keep it if you complete the entire course. I still have mine. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind Hello Keith, The best way to learn Chess as a blind gamer is to sign up for the Chess course from Hadley School for the Blind. The course is fully accessible and you even get an accessible Chess set as a student. Cheers! On 6/27/14, Keith S ks.steinbac...@gmail.com wrote: can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind person? I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the crap out of me. Thanks Keith Blind but not Useless --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
In terms of the physical boards, I have a peg type one, with the points on the black pieces. Mine is pretty big so keep it set up, but I have heard there are travel sets for the blind as well. I’ve never been any good at the computer version fo chess games, since I’m used to looking at the board to find where the pieces are. Blind chess sets can be rather interesting to try and play with sighted people, because sometimes the pieces don’t look anything like a standard set. I did have someone try and mark up a normal set once, but it didn’t work too well, since it wasn’t easy to distinguish between the black and white squares and the bumpons kept falling off the appropriate pieces. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
You say: I’ve never been any good at the computer version fo chess games, since I’m used to looking at the board to find where the pieces are. I ask: So, why not use your board and men, making the moves spoken by the computer program? Then you can scope out your own board to determine your move and enter it into the computer program? That's what I do, and it works perfectly. If the machine tells you to move a knight to f6, make the move on your board. If your next move is a bishop from C1 to G5, instruct the computer that this is your move. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Harmony Neil harmony.n...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind In terms of the physical boards, I have a peg type one, with the points on the black pieces. Mine is pretty big so keep it set up, but I have heard there are travel sets for the blind as well. I’ve never been any good at the computer version fo chess games, since I’m used to looking at the board to find where the pieces are. Blind chess sets can be rather interesting to try and play with sighted people, because sometimes the pieces don’t look anything like a standard set. I did have someone try and mark up a normal set once, but it didn’t work too well, since it wasn’t easy to distinguish between the black and white squares and the bumpons kept falling off the appropriate pieces. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Interestingly, I've gotten to the point where I almost do better on the computer than on the board. I think so much in coordinates that that seems to work better for me. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind You say: I've never been any good at the computer version fo chess games, since I'm used to looking at the board to find where the pieces are. I ask: So, why not use your board and men, making the moves spoken by the computer program? Then you can scope out your own board to determine your move and enter it into the computer program? That's what I do, and it works perfectly. If the machine tells you to move a knight to f6, make the move on your board. If your next move is a bishop from C1 to G5, instruct the computer that this is your move. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Harmony Neil harmony.n...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind In terms of the physical boards, I have a peg type one, with the points on the black pieces. Mine is pretty big so keep it set up, but I have heard there are travel sets for the blind as well. I've never been any good at the computer version fo chess games, since I'm used to looking at the board to find where the pieces are. Blind chess sets can be rather interesting to try and play with sighted people, because sometimes the pieces don't look anything like a standard set. I did have someone try and mark up a normal set once, but it didn't work too well, since it wasn't easy to distinguish between the black and white squares and the bumpons kept falling off the appropriate pieces. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Hello Keith, The best way to learn Chess as a blind gamer is to sign up for the Chess course from Hadley School for the Blind. The course is fully accessible and you even get an accessible Chess set as a student. Cheers! On 6/27/14, Keith S ks.steinbac...@gmail.com wrote: can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind person? I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the crap out of me. Thanks Keith Blind but not Useless --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Well the Hadley School for the Blind offers two free chess courses, Chess for Beginners and Chess: Principles and Strategies. You even get a free chess set with the first course which is yours to keep after you complete it. Each course has I believe six lessons, each with an accompanying assignment. The chess set is really nice as well. I still have mine from eight years ago, though I don't play so much these days. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Keith S Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:45 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] chess and the blind can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind person? I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the crap out of me. Thanks Keith Blind but not Useless --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads. Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Why not use your own chess set to determine your moves? That's what I do when playing against either a human or a program. When the opponent tells you to move a knight to f6, make the move on your board. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
I've never even attempted that one. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Keith S Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads. Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
And the instructor is very good, as well. Patient and knowledgeable. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind Well the Hadley School for the Blind offers two free chess courses, Chess for Beginners and Chess: Principles and Strategies. You even get a free chess set with the first course which is yours to keep after you complete it. Each course has I believe six lessons, each with an accompanying assignment. The chess set is really nice as well. I still have mine from eight years ago, though I don't play so much these days. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Keith S Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:45 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] chess and the blind can anyone suggest the best way for me to learn how to play chess as a blind person? I played when I had sight, but the notation method is confusing the crap out of me. Thanks Keith Blind but not Useless --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used to own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I tried buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. The peaces are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like dark brown and slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), and the peaces are extremely small and lumpy. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
There is nothing that prevents you from using your own board and men, as long as they are of the Staunton design, regardless of whether you are playing against a human or a chess engine. Just make the moves as directed by the opponent. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
There was a step by step guide to the alter quest on the audiogames.net forum i remember, sinse that's the only way I managed it myself, particularly sinse while I'm used to speaking and talking about moves on the board, eg e2/e4, the notation code used for commands I found rather whacky. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Keith S ks.steinbac...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I've got the same problem with the spacial distortion in my head.Just wanted to know how to do it so I could solve the alteraeon quest in Gads. Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried I'd get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move something I thought was an empty square or the like. It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen. beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Although it is pricy, you can get a very well made tactual chess set from www.thechesshouse.com The pieces are tournament sized. I believe the set costs around $100. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used to own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I tried buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. The peaces are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like dark brown and slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), and the peaces are extremely small and lumpy. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
It's always a good idea to double check by using your arrow keys to review the board in cases like this. You can sometimes hear b7 when it actually said d7 or e7. Another very good chess program that is speech friendly is Shredder Chess. You can get it from www.shredderchess.com and you can also get it for an iDevice as well. Do a search in the app store. If you get it for an iDevice, you can get it for your PC for a discount price. I haven't found out what the cost is, but will do so next month. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried I'd get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move something I thought was an empty square or the like. It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen. beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Keith, There's two forms of notation. Algebraic notation is easier to fathom. In algebraic the files are lettered a through h from White's queen's rook right to white's King's rook. The ranks are then numbered from 1 to 8 counting from white's first rank. So a move of pawn e2-e4 is king's pawn from 2 to 4. As to playing, there are, or were several board game producers for the blind producing peg style chessboards for the blind that used alternating raised and depressed squares to represent the color, and that had pins or bumps on the black pieces to distinguish them from the white. I have such a board and it works well as you can look at board position without messing up the pieces. I hope this helps, Jeremy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
Hi Charles, I was happy to hear that the PC versoin of Shredder is speech-friendly. The only issue is that I'm not sure what you meant byh that. I get no feedback on moved pieces, and I see no way to look at the board. What needs to h appen to make that work? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind It's always a good idea to double check by using your arrow keys to review the board in cases like this. You can sometimes hear b7 when it actually said d7 or e7. Another very good chess program that is speech friendly is Shredder Chess. You can get it from www.shredderchess.com and you can also get it for an iDevice as well. Do a search in the app store. If you get it for an iDevice, you can get it for your PC for a discount price. I haven't found out what the cost is, but will do so next month. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I tried that charlse with K chess elite, however I think I must have misscounted moving one of my opponent's peaces sinse each game I tried I'd get a ways through and then the computer would tell me to move something I thought was an empty square or the like. It's odd, on the few occasions I played in braille chess tournaments I didn't have that problem, then again there was always an invigilator watching to make sure those sorts of things didn't happen. beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind
If I actually played more chess I'd rather considder that, assuming that that particular company do orders outside the states. Though I don't tend to play that much chess now. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind Although it is pricy, you can get a very well made tactual chess set from www.thechesshouse.com The pieces are tournament sized. I believe the set costs around $100. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind that sounds like a really good chess set bryan. Sinse the old one I used to own pretty much died due to lack of use (several peaces depegged), I tried buying a new one from the Rnib however i was quite disappointed. The peaces are tiny, however instead of black and white it's more like dark brown and slightly lighter brown (the contrast is quite horrible), and the peaces are extremely small and lumpy. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind I agreeDark. Tat's wy I don't play onlie, even though you can get a free year of membership to an online Chess community for completing both of the two Ches courses offered by the Hadley School here in the US. Their chess set, which is included with their beginner's course, is really nice. It not only has the pegs and holes for easy piece placement and the pins denoting white and black pieces (in this case I believe it's the black ones), but the board is also brailled. The white side says wite and the other black, but the ranks and files are also denoted with letters and numbers. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 7:11 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess and the blind My personal advice would be to get a tactile chess set (sometimes called a braille chess set, even though they don't have braille on them), and start playing live against a human. To explain these are sets where there are holes in each square on the board and the peaces are on pegs so you can put your mits on the board without knocking them over, one side (usually the white, though not always), has pins on the top to tell them apart. I'm not sure where you'd get one from in your part of the world, they tend to be sold by the same places who sell braille cards, dice etc. Personally, while I understand chess notation, I find it near impossible to hold spacial information about the board in mind without the board. I want to put my hand on the white knight and my other finger on the square it will move to, and then put my fingers (and to a very much lesser extent my disfunctional eyeballs), on the surrounding squares and see if that move will be a bad or good one. This is why I've never got on with the various audio Chess games like BGChess challenge, Kchess elite etc. Sinse while they have some good audio overviews for the board, fundamentally you are still just getting the information square by square, and I don't find myself able to old enough spacial information about the board in mind for that sort of overview to really help me or make it possible for me to play chess. Of course this is me, and I will freely admit my spacial coordination is pretty cruddy, (even in mobility I tend to substitute routes and land mark memory instead of working out where I am spacially), you might be different though I'm guessing by your comment you could be in a similar position, hence my suggestion of a tactile chess set. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
Lots of info is needed from you. You provided none of what you are looking for in a chess program, and doing so will help direct you to where you might get the game you need. What features are you looking for in a chess program? Do you want to use one that is JAWS friendly?, or do you use another screen reader?, or do you want one that is self voicing for the most part. For starters, you can check out a free program that is JAWS friendly from www.freedommscientific.com or a demo of a program that you have to buy that is very flexible and adjustable from www.arkangles.net or www.arkangles.com I don't recall which. They have several programs to choose from. HTH - Original Message - From: anduril [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind hi is there a game of chess that i can download that is accesible thanks - Original Message - From: Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind Hi, Everyone, That is true. I work at the Hadley school and I've also taken the Chess course and received a Chess board and adapted pieces at the beginning of this course. I could keep the board and Chess pieces. Allen Formerly the MaynFrame New email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.fantasystorm.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
i want eather a self voicing or jaws run but also 1 that is not to difficult to get the game set up - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind Lots of info is needed from you. You provided none of what you are looking for in a chess program, and doing so will help direct you to where you might get the game you need. What features are you looking for in a chess program? Do you want to use one that is JAWS friendly?, or do you use another screen reader?, or do you want one that is self voicing for the most part. For starters, you can check out a free program that is JAWS friendly from www.freedommscientific.com or a demo of a program that you have to buy that is very flexible and adjustable from www.arkangles.net or www.arkangles.com I don't recall which. They have several programs to choose from. HTH - Original Message - From: anduril [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind hi is there a game of chess that i can download that is accesible thanks - Original Message - From: Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind Hi, Everyone, That is true. I work at the Hadley school and I've also taken the Chess course and received a Chess board and adapted pieces at the beginning of this course. I could keep the board and Chess pieces. Allen Formerly the MaynFrame New email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.fantasystorm.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
Hi, Check out http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/ua-chess/ Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: anduril [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind hi is there a game of chess that i can download that is accesible thanks - Original Message - From: Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind Hi, Everyone, That is true. I work at the Hadley school and I've also taken the Chess course and received a Chess board and adapted pieces at the beginning of this course. I could keep the board and Chess pieces. Allen Formerly the MaynFrame New email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.fantasystorm.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
I wanted to learn chess with a computer game, but their really isn't a program catered for the beginner. Even KChess, which claims to be for beginners, it doesn't teach chess, only can give hints. I know the moves, but I don't know any tactics. The sighted community has an excellent game called Chessmaster, which is totally inaccessible. It teaches the moves, tactics, strategies, nearly everything. I have heard that you can get Talking Chess Computers which teach chess, but does anyone know of an accessible model? My friend bought one from America, but can't use it because even though it speaks it doesn't speak the computers moves, just lights them up on the display. Someone asked about online chess, I think Winboard for JFW allows a person to play online. Ari ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
What do you do at the Hadley school/ I am currently working on their second, more advanced, chess course. - Original Message - From: Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind Hi, Everyone, That is true. I work at the Hadley school and I've also taken the Chess course and received a Chess board and adapted pieces at the beginning of this course. I could keep the board and Chess pieces. Allen Formerly the MaynFrame New email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.fantasystorm.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
if you sign up for a class at Hadley school for the blind, I was told that you can get a chess set for the blind for free! *** --- *** --- *** Have A Nice Day, From Jim Ardin eMail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind You can find out about K Chess at: http://www.arkangles.com/kchess/ I bought KChess Elite myself, but they have different versions at different prices. The guys in the chess parlor on FTP are very helpful for the beginner chess player. You can use the KChess program to keep track of moves if you play against someone online, but I highly reccomend you get a chess set for the blind from Ann Morris, or any other vendor of blind products, as having a board in front of you allows you to feel the pieces and get a good overview of the board. There are also chess lessons in audio format out there that you can track down and listen to. Good luck, Che - Original Message - From: Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] strategy games hey Che, where would someone get the KChess program? What is the price of this program. I was looking and have been wanting to learn chess for many years and want to try and teach myself the game. BEAN ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. __ NOD32 1.1523 (20060505) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
yeah you can, but I haven't been able to get my doc to sign the papers, I keep forgetting to get him to sign them when I go there to an appointment. BEAN ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Chess for the blind
Hi, Everyone, That is true. I work at the Hadley school and I've also taken the Chess course and received a Chess board and adapted pieces at the beginning of this course. I could keep the board and Chess pieces. Allen Formerly the MaynFrame New email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.fantasystorm.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
