Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about
true. I have xp running on a core2duo 2.0ghz cpu. with xp, in preperation for vista if I really had to use it I put a second gb of ram in the box, I was tempted to max it out by putting another gb on that but I didn't have the cash. My dad's system is faster at 2.20ghz. Runs much faster with internals but this was the fastest and cheapest system I could get at the time. The last transitional system or one of the last ones. At 11:46 p.m. 4/08/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Yeah, I can definitely tell you a 1.8 GHZ processor is way too slow for Vista. It would technically run, but it would run pretty slow. Vista is a massive resource hog, and one reason it needs a really new computer to run half way decent. In 2007 whenI was evaluating Vista my first mistake was I initially did the install on a 2 GHZ Celeron machine with 512 MB of ram. It ran so slow I couldn't believe it. I upgraded the system to 1 GB of ram, and it ran a little better, but was still pretty slow. I was so disgusted with Vista's system performence I removed Vista from that box and put XP back on their. Currently my wife and I have two laptops with 3.6 GHZ processors and 1 GB of ram and Vista runs ok on them. It doesn't seam too slow. Sure Linux and Windows XP would actually run better on these laptops, but Vista needed the 3.6 GHZ processor to run like XP on a 1.2 GHZ machine. Every time I read the Vista system requirements online I have to laugh, because they are dead wrong. Acording to Microsoft Vista needs an 800 MHZ processor, 512 MB of ram, at least an 8 GB hard drive, etc. I have never tried Vista on a system with those specs, but if a computer with a 2 GHZ processor and 1 GB of ram couldn't do it effectively a system such as Microsoft describes would take 20 years to boot, to load web pages, open applications, etc. you know with system performence like that out of Vista I am almost afraid to see what Windows 7 needs. I think Windows has reached the point where it is just bloted, a huge resource hog, and half the stuff they added was unnecessary. Like did they really need to add the 3D Windows Arrow interface? Did the Windows Arrow desktop have to double system resources just to show the desktop in 3D? Did all the icons have to have 3D animation and move around slowing the system to a crawl? No, but they did it anyway. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, That's interesting because my current laptop, which was originally going to have Vista on it, is only a 1.8ghz Celeron processor. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Yeah, I can definitely tell you a 1.8 GHZ processor is way too slow for Vista. It would technically run, but it would run pretty slow. Vista is a massive resource hog, and one reason it needs a really new computer to run half way decent. In 2007 whenI was evaluating Vista my first mistake was I initially did the install on a 2 GHZ Celeron machine with 512 MB of ram. It ran so slow I couldn't believe it. I upgraded the system to 1 GB of ram, and it ran a little better, but was still pretty slow. I was so disgusted with Vista's system performence I removed Vista from that box and put XP back on their. Currently my wife and I have two laptops with 3.6 GHZ processors and 1 GB of ram and Vista runs ok on them. It doesn't seam too slow. Sure Linux and Windows XP would actually run better on these laptops, but Vista needed the 3.6 GHZ processor to run like XP on a 1.2 GHZ machine. Every time I read the Vista system requirements online I have to laugh, because they are dead wrong. Acording to Microsoft Vista needs an 800 MHZ processor, 512 MB of ram, at least an 8 GB hard drive, etc. I have never tried Vista on a system with those specs, but if a computer with a 2 GHZ processor and 1 GB of ram couldn't do it effectively a system such as Microsoft describes would take 20 years to boot, to load web pages, open applications, etc. you know with system performence like that out of Vista I am almost afraid to see what Windows 7 needs. I think Windows has reached the point where it is just bloted, a huge resource hog, and half the stuff they added was unnecessary. Like did they really need to add the 3D Windows Arrow interface? Did the Windows Arrow desktop have to double system resources just to show the desktop in 3D? Did all the icons have to have 3D animation and move around slowing the system to a crawl? No, but they did it anyway. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, That's interesting because my current laptop, which was originally going to have Vista on it, is only a 1.8ghz Celeron processor. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. Do they intend, as far as you've heard, to work on resource intensiveness? The primary reason i'm running xp still, other than the audio limitations, is I find vista slow. Jaws isn't as responsive there. I can't arrow quickly around because when I hit the top or bottom edge of my screen it then takes a while to scroll the entire screen and let me read the next line, slowing me down rediculously. Everyone claims vista is one blazing fast OS, how wrong they are. I've tried it on three different laptops and they've all done the same thing. One has a 1.8ghz core2duo, the next had a 1.81ghz turion64x2, and this one here has a core2duo 1.66ghz. this one is much better than the other two because I suppose vista business has a lower footprint and runs fewer processes. No media center to take care of and what? I don't know, i'm really disapointed though, you'd think ms'd be trying to really make it go fast, smaller, faster, easier. Oh, and do you know it takes me more steps to connect to the internet on vista? I need less steps in xp. Start menu, network connections, hit enter on wireless network connection, ok a little more than two but the option to do these things is berried unvariably deeper in vista than it is in xp. It's not more user friendly for me, except for the windows update feature which rocks. And, every time I want to connect to my school's dual t1 on vista I have to repair my local area network connection for some reason. In xp on the same computer I connect automatically. Speaking of computers, on this vaio here, whic h came with vista and now runs both vista and xp, on both opperating systems, when I run direct x stuff, like GMA shades of dooom, yes I put the extra o's in there on purpose, the stereo spectrum is really messed up. I think it tries to simulate surround sound. The result is when something is in front of me it's really hard to line myself up on it because it just sounds like it's in the center all the time. It's not like this with my other computers. If I walk up the hall, i'll heer the bleepbleepbleep noise, it sounds like the door is right in front of me. As I keep walking, the difference happens for one step here, the door will be completely on my left or completely on my right, if that makes sence, as I keep going I can hear what should have happened in the opposit as I approached. The door's sound will get quieter with each step I take and it will begin to sound more and more like it's directly behind me, but not quite make it before I can't hear the indicater for the door at all. Anyone know why they do that on this computer and what I can do about it? Clango does this too, even with the SAPI voices, when something is on the far right, it sounds like it's close to the cenbter but has some effect applied to it that sorta makes it sound like it's behind me. I think some people would like this but I dislike it with a passion. Oh and btw I have shades of doom set to stereo, not surround sound or what ever. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Aaron, From what I have been told by my sources about Windows 7 I think it will be much more satisfactory than Vista. It is my understanding Microsoft wanted to get Vista out the door asap, and so it was rushed to production. Its new driver library, bugs, and other things hadn't been fully completed when it was initially released. They basically hoped they could address all the issues in service packs and through the Windows update service. In my personal opinion this is a dirty way to do business, but it is how they did it to get some initial up front capital. However, now they have Vista to tide them over financially what they are doing is working on addressing all the issues, bugs, and driver problems with Vista and putting them into service packs for Vista users. Those service packs are also being applied to Windows 7 which is basically going to be Windows Vista with all the bugs, issues, and service packs installed. Oh, they will probably add in afew extras like new wall papers, sounds, icons, themes, a new feature here or there, but I have been told it is not going to be a major upgrade. More of a Windows Vista with a new look and feel, and with many bug fixes and patches installed by default. Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound
Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about
Hi Aaron, I don't think there is going to be any major performence changes in Windows 7. The thing is in my own personal experience with Windows Vista if you want it to run smoothly you need no less than a 3 GHZ processor and 1 GB of ram. If you want it to run better get a faster processor and double the ram to 2 GB. Vista and Windows 7 were never designed to run on 1 GHZ and 2 GHZ systems, and for whatever the reason Microsoft falsified and under stated Vista's system requirements to in sure sales with people running older XP systems. What few people are realising is instead of smaller faster, etc Vista and Windows 7 are larger, more graphical, and need far more system resources than XP because they need all that for the 3D desktop, 3D animated icons, and the other crap they added to the os. There really isn't a good way to improve system performence unless MS decides to yank out all the new 3D graphics technology, gadgets, etc that comes with Vista. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Do they intend, as far as you've heard, to work on resource intensiveness? The primary reason i'm running xp still, other than the audio limitations, is I find vista slow. Jaws isn't as responsive there. I can't arrow quickly around because when I hit the top or bottom edge of my screen it then takes a while to scroll the entire screen and let me read the next line, slowing me down rediculously. Everyone claims vista is one blazing fast OS, how wrong they are. I've tried it on three different laptops and they've all done the same thing. One has a 1.8ghz core2duo, the next had a 1.81ghz turion64x2, and this one here has a core2duo 1.66ghz. this one is much better than the other two because I suppose vista business has a lower footprint and runs fewer processes. No media center to take care of and what? I don't know, i'm really disapointed though, you'd think ms'd be trying to really make it go fast, smaller, faster, easier. Oh, and do you know it takes me more steps to connect to the internet on vista? I need less steps in xp. Start menu, network connections, hit enter on wireless network connection, ok a little more than two but the option to do these things is berried unvariably deeper in vista than it is in xp. It's not more user friendly for me, except for the windows update feature which rocks. And, every time I want to connect to my school's dual t1 on vista I have to repair my local area network connection for some reason. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, That's interesting because my current laptop, which was originally going to have Vista on it, is only a 1.8ghz Celeron processor. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Aaron, I don't think there is going to be any major performence changes in Windows 7. The thing is in my own personal experience with Windows Vista if you want it to run smoothly you need no less than a 3 GHZ processor and 1 GB of ram. If you want it to run better get a faster processor and double the ram to 2 GB. Vista and Windows 7 were never designed to run on 1 GHZ and 2 GHZ systems, and for whatever the reason Microsoft falsified and under stated Vista's system requirements to in sure sales with people running older XP systems. What few people are realising is instead of smaller faster, etc Vista and Windows 7 are larger, more graphical, and need far more system resources than XP because they need all that for the 3D desktop, 3D animated icons, and the other crap they added to the os. There really isn't a good way to improve system performence unless MS decides to yank out all the new 3D graphics technology, gadgets, etc that comes with Vista. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Do they intend, as far as you've heard, to work on resource intensiveness? The primary reason i'm running xp still, other than the audio limitations, is I find vista slow. Jaws isn't as responsive there. I can't arrow quickly around because when I hit the top or bottom edge of my screen it then takes a while to scroll the entire screen and let me read the next line, slowing me down rediculously. Everyone claims vista is one blazing fast OS, how wrong they are. I've tried it on three different laptops and they've all done the same thing. One has a 1.8ghz core2duo, the next had a 1.81ghz turion64x2, and this one here has a core2duo 1.66ghz. this one is much better than the other two because I suppose vista business has a lower footprint and runs fewer processes. No media center to take care of and what? I don't know, i'm really disapointed though, you'd think ms'd be trying to really make it go fast, smaller, faster, easier. Oh, and do you know it takes me more steps to connect to the internet on vista? I need less steps in xp. Start menu, network connections, hit enter on wireless network connection, ok a little more than two but the option to do these things is berried unvariably deeper in vista than it is in xp. It's not more user friendly for me, except for the windows update feature which rocks. And, every time I want to connect to my school's dual t1 on vista I have to repair my local area network connection for some reason. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Well, if a blind developer is willing to switch to C++ XNA's XAudio2 library is quite accessible. The C++ version of XAudio2 doesn't require XAct soundbank files which makes it many times more accessible than XAudio1. However, as usually happens C#.NET developers like myself have to wait for a .NET version of the XAudio2 library since the XNA Framework for .NET still needs XAct which is about the most unaccessible thing I have ever tried using. Cheers. shaun everiss wrote: well if xna ever is made accessible maybe we can use the thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, he wasn't talking about Windows. Smile. What we were talking about was the price for Adobe's Cold Fusion and other products used for creating Flash games. It is extremely pricy software and noone has come up with a free version of a Flash IDE/compiler. shaun everiss wrote: well the prices for ms systems is always high. Myself I am going to try to hang on to what I have for as long as I have. The only reason that would get me to lagitimately upgrade would be if my life required it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, But it is a normal programinglanguage or not? Why can they make it so expencive? I mean no wants to program in flash because its to expencive. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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His games or most of them won't run on this machine. I guess it's perhaps because I have java installed. I get the opening music with a few of them and then it just sits their. I wish he'd rewrite them because they are fun games and at one time they did run. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 8/1/2008 at 6:53 AM Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Ryan, What Philip did with his games was interesting, but wasn't very CPU efficient, stable, or secure. I am very glad to see he has switch to C++ which will be much more efficient, secure, and stable long term. Ryan Smith wrote: Hi, Windows can run JavaScript files. In some of his applications, he uses autoit to run the javascript files. And that's really cool I can put VBScript in there, but for now I think the options they have are sufficient. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] djc's Jukebox: http://ultrastreams.us:9660 or http://sc8.spacialnet.com:22734/ Saturday Evenings 9 to midnight Eastern. My Journal http://livejournal.com/users/djc1 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I C Q Number Is: 4781694 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have the msvm client loaded and sun java loaded here. so I can run older and newer java codes. At 05:34 a.m. 3/08/2008, you wrote: His games or most of them won't run on this machine. I guess it's perhaps because I have java installed. I get the opening music with a few of them and then it just sits their. I wish he'd rewrite them because they are fun games and at one time they did run. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 8/1/2008 at 6:53 AM Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Ryan, What Philip did with his games was interesting, but wasn't very CPU efficient, stable, or secure. I am very glad to see he has switch to C++ which will be much more efficient, secure, and stable long term. Ryan Smith wrote: Hi, Windows can run JavaScript files. In some of his applications, he uses autoit to run the javascript files. And that's really cool I can put VBScript in there, but for now I think the options they have are sufficient. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] djc's Jukebox: http://ultrastreams.us:9660 or http://sc8.spacialnet.com:22734/ Saturday Evenings 9 to midnight Eastern. My Journal http://livejournal.com/users/djc1 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I C Q Number Is: 4781694 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Yes, but this language is verry hard to learn. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, What language. Do you mean C++? If you mean C++ being hard I think is really debatable. All of us learn differently find some things harder or easier than others. As for myself I made straight A's in my C++ courses, and I never found it all that difficult. others I know of say it is the most difficult programming language they tried to learn. So my experience has showed me what is easy for one man is hard to understand by another. It is relative to the person not a proven fact that the language is easy or hard. Smile. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi Yes, but this language is verry hard to learn. Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Aaron, From what I have been told by my sources about Windows 7 I think it will be much more satisfactory than Vista. It is my understanding Microsoft wanted to get Vista out the door asap, and so it was rushed to production. Its new driver library, bugs, and other things hadn't been fully completed when it was initially released. They basically hoped they could address all the issues in service packs and through the Windows update service. In my personal opinion this is a dirty way to do business, but it is how they did it to get some initial up front capital. However, now they have Vista to tide them over financially what they are doing is working on addressing all the issues, bugs, and driver problems with Vista and putting them into service packs for Vista users. Those service packs are also being applied to Windows 7 which is basically going to be Windows Vista with all the bugs, issues, and service packs installed. Oh, they will probably add in afew extras like new wall papers, sounds, icons, themes, a new feature here or there, but I have been told it is not going to be a major upgrade. More of a Windows Vista with a new look and feel, and with many bug fixes and patches installed by default. Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound in Windows 7, but was in development and testing stages when Vista hit the seen.So DirectSound was used instead on Vista. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Or maybe windows 7 will be satisfactory for more people. It could be like windows xp was when compared to windows ME. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about true tom. I for one thing wouldn't mind staying with xp at least till the next time I really need to upgrade. To tell you the truth, this will be a while, after this laptop decides to die whenever that will be betwene 5-10 years, and maybe more I still have my slow a10 which is semi dead but will probably last me another 5 years or so if I reserect it maybe more. The issue with staying with xp with a laptop is the fact that drivers will not be made for the hardware and since all new hardware will require drivers including sound there is almost no choice in the matter. I suspect that if the next system is not up to scrat h and both laptops do die whenever that will be and this one is just new so I don't think that would be for at least 20-30 years if I play my cards right, if thats the case and I don't have a job or a life a fact that I still am not sure of, then I will just have to get a desktop, its not a big loss. If push comes to shove I have an old sb16 here, I also have an old p3 733 here granted it has a busted ram slot on it meaning I would have the 256mb ram instead of 512 which is recomended for xp really to be good enough to run I probably could live with that. If all else fails though my next system will be either linux or if I want to stay with windows it will be windows 2000 the last system where activation is not required. At 09:01 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Yeah, the fact of the matter is some people are going to upgrade and we can't stick to total Windows XP only compatibility forever. As of last month Windows XP has totally been pulled off the market, and everything is Windows Vista. So even if you buy a new laptop, and want to buy XP all you can do is hope to find new copies on Ebay or find left over stock some place. In the general market at least Mac OS Leopard sales are up since more and more sighted companies and home users are sick of Vista as well. Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft hoped it would be, and more people are at least thinking about Linux or Mac OS now. As game programmers we need to keep an eye on these trends as we are slowly seeing it happen to the blind community as well. I have a friend from high school who was so disgusted with Vista he went Linux. I know someone else who recently purchased a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it. Both of them are blind,and they don't want to go to Vista. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great
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What language, quote please? - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Yes, but this language is verry hard to learn. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and of course I'm sure they'll charge users $300 to upgrade :D --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Thats verry verry expencive. Thats not normal. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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autoit is quite basic for a language, good starter although if you can find the libs for python it can be rather good. Well nvda is made with this. a shame that all the latest libs only run with 2.4. At 04:57 a.m. 1/08/2008, you wrote: Hi, Windows can run JavaScript files. In some of his applications, he uses autoit to run the javascript files. And that's really cool I can put VBScript in there, but for now I think the options they have are sufficient. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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who says any programming language is easy to learn. My language of choice I studdied at uni was the free pascal language using the dev pascal ide by bloodshed. Why don't I bother writing games? Well I only wrote console apps and well to put it bluntly unless someone knows of what supports are avalible for it ie directx sdl or other things then I have no idea really. At 11:17 p.m. 1/08/2008, you wrote: Hi Yes, but this language is verry hard to learn. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well if xna ever is made accessible maybe we can use the thing. At 02:04 a.m. 2/08/2008, you wrote: Hi Aaron, From what I have been told by my sources about Windows 7 I think it will be much more satisfactory than Vista. It is my understanding Microsoft wanted to get Vista out the door asap, and so it was rushed to production. Its new driver library, bugs, and other things hadn't been fully completed when it was initially released. They basically hoped they could address all the issues in service packs and through the Windows update service. In my personal opinion this is a dirty way to do business, but it is how they did it to get some initial up front capital. However, now they have Vista to tide them over financially what they are doing is working on addressing all the issues, bugs, and driver problems with Vista and putting them into service packs for Vista users. Those service packs are also being applied to Windows 7 which is basically going to be Windows Vista with all the bugs, issues, and service packs installed. Oh, they will probably add in afew extras like new wall papers, sounds, icons, themes, a new feature here or there, but I have been told it is not going to be a major upgrade. More of a Windows Vista with a new look and feel, and with many bug fixes and patches installed by default. Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound in Windows 7, but was in development and testing stages when Vista hit the seen.So DirectSound was used instead on Vista. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Or maybe windows 7 will be satisfactory for more people. It could be like windows xp was when compared to windows ME. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about true tom. I for one thing wouldn't mind staying with xp at least till the next time I really need to upgrade. To tell you the truth, this will be a while, after this laptop decides to die whenever that will be betwene 5-10 years, and maybe more I still have my slow a10 which is semi dead but will probably last me another 5 years or so if I reserect it maybe more. The issue with staying with xp with a laptop is the fact that drivers will not be made for the hardware and since all new hardware will require drivers including sound there is almost no choice in the matter. I suspect that if the next system is not up to scrat h and both laptops do die whenever that will be and this one is just new so I don't think that would be for at least 20-30 years if I play my cards right, if thats the case and I don't have a job or a life a fact that I still am not sure of, then I will just have to get a desktop, its not a big loss. If push comes to shove I have an old sb16 here, I also have an old p3 733 here granted it has a busted ram slot on it meaning I would have the 256mb ram instead of 512 which is recomended for xp really to be good enough to run I probably could live with that. If all else fails though my next system will be either linux or if I want to stay with windows it will be windows 2000 the last system where activation is not required. At 09:01 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Yeah, the fact of the matter is some people are going to upgrade and we can't stick to total Windows XP only compatibility forever. As of last month Windows XP has totally been pulled off the market, and everything is Windows Vista. So even if you buy a new laptop, and want to buy XP all you can do is hope to find new copies on Ebay or find left over stock some place. In the general market at least Mac OS Leopard sales are up since more and more sighted companies and home users are sick of Vista as well. Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft hoped it would be, and more people are at least thinking about Linux or Mac OS now. As game programmers we need to keep an eye on these trends as we are slowly seeing it happen to the blind community as well. I have a friend from high school who was so disgusted with Vista he went Linux. I know someone else who recently purchased a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it. Both of them are blind,and they don't want to go to Vista. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure
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well the prices for ms systems is always high. Myself I am going to try to hang on to what I have for as long as I have. The only reason that would get me to lagitimately upgrade would be if my life required it. At 05:40 a.m. 2/08/2008, you wrote: and of course I'm sure they'll charge users $300 to upgrade :D --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well my laptop is a transition system that was released during the vista xp changeover. as a result it can run either xp or vista just ot both at once. At 07:38 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great help in that respect. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Will, In some respects I do have to agree. If they aren't willing to offer satisfactory tech support for their titles they either need to release them under a free license, or stop selling their products. I've been using Vista for over a year now, and Bavisoft hasn't responded to any inquaries about a Windows Vista upgrade policy for their titles. That either means they don't have one, or they don't ever plan upgrading their games beyond the current shipping versions which are already out of date software and hardware specification wise. I have to congradulate GMA, PCS Games, Draconis, BSC, and the other companies that have taken the time to introduce better compatibility for Windows Vista users. They are still showing they care about their products, and are willing to meet the demands of today and not what was current 5 years ago. With Bavisoft they are showing all of us they don't really give a squat about what we need in terms of tech support or reliable upgrades for our newer computers. So in return we should just stop buying their products, and stop publicly supporting them. will lomas wrote: i think they should just forget the hole process we have other companies we can rely on who play more active roles in our community they should release there games as freeware as they have no customer caring attitudes in my opinion. anyone wana upload chillingham for me? lol smile i'm serious. if they can not give customers satisfactory updates and if bad we can support them, instead they have a nerve to charge for 2 games yet never respond to mails will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Cory, Sure, I'm always looking for people to work with. Just email me offlist and we can arrange some stuff. Alternatively I do have MSN at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Cory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about what are the chances I could take a look at what you have. I'd be willing to test and stuff. - Original Message - From: Damien Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Cory, That's almost complete, though there is a tricky bug I'm trying to get out of the way. Ini programming with vb is a pain, and registry programming even more so. Looks like I'll have to design my own settings file format. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Cory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about what about that dj software? - Original Message - From: Damien Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi, Yes, for those wondering, we are still developing games. We're just finding it hard at the moment for lack of relevant sounds and budget. As far as code goes I recently updated my audio handling code thanks to some help from Philip, so at least making objects, players and characters move shouldn't be a big problem now. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: David Standen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Lighttechinteractive and x-sight-interactive are still active as well. X-sight has a few games currently under development, and Boppit Ultimate was released at the end of last year. David - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Shaun, Not true. The list I said were still around are still moderately to fully active. I know 7128 is still very active, GMA just released VIP Mud, PCS has released Sarah and has been giving us 4 updates for it over the last year, etc. So there is still developers making games, and still are active. In terms of activity I'd say USA Games is falling behind just do to our three month stint at my in-laws house while our apartment gets rennivated. Hopefully by mid August we will be able to start up full production again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
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Hi Thomas! I have a question: Java script is a language for websites and internet projekts. Right? But if I am right, Philip Bennefall has whrited his games also in javascripts! Or am I wrong now?now? If yes, how has he done that with a language for websites? Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Actually, the corporate grade versions of XP do not need to be product activated. It is just the Home and Media versions that do. Problem is you are going to pay quite a bit extra to own XP without the need to product activate it. As for going back to Windows 2000 that is really rediculous. Even with SP4 installed it is falling behind technology wize. Some newer stuff like .NET 3.5 isn't even compatible with 2000. Last I heard it is going to be supported until 2010, and Microsoft will drop technical support and Windows updates for it. That is only two yaears away. Like I said earlier in this tread there are only three choices for someone who wants to stay up to date. They can upgrade to Vista or go to Mac or Linux. shaun everiss wrote: true tom. I for one thing wouldn't mind staying with xp at least till the next time I really need to upgrade. To tell you the truth, this will be a while, after this laptop decides to die whenever that will be betwene 5-10 years, and maybe more I still have my slow a10 which is semi dead but will probably last me another 5 years or so if I reserect it maybe more. The issue with staying with xp with a laptop is the fact that drivers will not be made for the hardware and since all new hardware will require drivers including sound there is almost no choice in the matter. I suspect that if the next system is not up to scrat h and both laptops do die whenever that will be and this one is just new so I don't think that would be for at least 20-30 years if I play my cards right, if thats the case and I don't have a job or a life a fact that I still am not sure of, then I will just have to get a desktop, its not a big loss. If push comes to shove I have an old sb16 here, I also have an old p3 733 here granted it has a busted ram slot on it meaning I would have the 256mb ram instead of 512 which is recomended for xp really to be good enough to run I probably could live with that. If all else fails though my next system will be either linux or if I want to stay with windows it will be windows 2000 the last system where activation is not required. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, You are pretty vocal about the fact you are running pirated games here. I will remind you that software piracy is a crime, and Raul and I both aren't supporters of software piracy. I know the games aren't the best, they cost too much in my opinion, but that doesn't give you or anyone else free license to steel their games. What would happen if someone from this list were to forward this email to Bavisoft? Well, legally they could prosicute you, and you could be looking at some serious fines. That is all assuming Bavisoft would take an active roll in making you an example of what happens to pirates. I am sorry, but according to the list guide lines I must now moderate you. discussing software piracy on list is not something the list management will put up with. Thanks. shaun everiss wrote: and the prices are 40 us to from memmory. I have the games but its not worth the trouble of uploading. Ok I have them, off the net but I honestly can't remember when I played them last. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, Yes, Javascript is primarily used for internet based scripting and web based applications. However, like several other scripting languages that started out for internet based use it has grown into an all purpose scripting language for Windows. I can't recommend it for general application programming, but it can be done. As for Philip Bennefall I have heard all of his original games were written in Javascript. It certainly isn't something I would have done, but I know it can be done if you are a skilled Javascript developer. As for writing Javascript scripts and applications every version of Windows since Windows 98 SE has come with something called Windows Script Host. What WSH does is manages scripts and applications written in Javascript and VB script for Windows. I am no expert in WSH and writing VB Script and Javascript applications, but there are books out there on the topic. Claudio wrote: Hi Thomas! I have a question: Java script is a language for websites and internet projekts. Right? But if I am right, Philip Bennefall has whrited his games also in javascripts! Or am I wrong now?now? If yes, how has he done that with a language for websites? Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Windows can run JavaScript files. In some of his applications, he uses autoit to run the javascript files. And that's really cool I can put VBScript in there, but for now I think the options they have are sufficient. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. Or maybe windows 7 will be satisfactory for more people. It could be like windows xp was when compared to windows ME. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about true tom. I for one thing wouldn't mind staying with xp at least till the next time I really need to upgrade. To tell you the truth, this will be a while, after this laptop decides to die whenever that will be betwene 5-10 years, and maybe more I still have my slow a10 which is semi dead but will probably last me another 5 years or so if I reserect it maybe more. The issue with staying with xp with a laptop is the fact that drivers will not be made for the hardware and since all new hardware will require drivers including sound there is almost no choice in the matter. I suspect that if the next system is not up to scrat h and both laptops do die whenever that will be and this one is just new so I don't think that would be for at least 20-30 years if I play my cards right, if thats the case and I don't have a job or a life a fact that I still am not sure of, then I will just have to get a desktop, its not a big loss. If push comes to shove I have an old sb16 here, I also have an old p3 733 here granted it has a busted ram slot on it meaning I would have the 256mb ram instead of 512 which is recomended for xp really to be good enough to run I probably could live with that. If all else fails though my next system will be either linux or if I want to stay with windows it will be windows 2000 the last system where activation is not required. At 09:01 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Yeah, the fact of the matter is some people are going to upgrade and we can't stick to total Windows XP only compatibility forever. As of last month Windows XP has totally been pulled off the market, and everything is Windows Vista. So even if you buy a new laptop, and want to buy XP all you can do is hope to find new copies on Ebay or find left over stock some place. In the general market at least Mac OS Leopard sales are up since more and more sighted companies and home users are sick of Vista as well. Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft hoped it would be, and more people are at least thinking about Linux or Mac OS now. As game programmers we need to keep an eye on these trends as we are slowly seeing it happen to the blind community as well. I have a friend from high school who was so disgusted with Vista he went Linux. I know someone else who recently purchased a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it. Both of them are blind,and they don't want to go to Vista. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great help in that respect. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Not true. The list I said were still around are still moderately to fully active. I know 7128 is still very active, GMA just released VIP Mud, PCS has released Sarah and has been giving us 4 updates for it over the last year, etc. So there is still developers making games, and still are active. In terms of activity I'd say USA Games is falling behind just do to our three month stint at my in-laws house while our apartment gets rennivated. Hopefully by mid August we will be able to start up full production again. shaun everiss wrote: yeah I know. Out of that list the only major dev still active apart from usa is jim kitchen. Rsgames is semi active but yeah the rest I don't know. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Thanks. Yeah, I know about Philip's new venture, PB Soundscape, but at the moment it isn't what PB Games use to be. I still haven't figured out why Philip abandoned all of his games, the PB Games name, and started over from scratch. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, To make you aware we haven't exactly lost PBGames, but he's changed his programming platform and he has changed the name to PBSoundscape. Even though games haven't come out under this new name yet, I know he is making them, as I am testing a performance test one out for him now. Thanks. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, That is a good question. Everyone here seams to have tried contacting them for one reason or another, and they make us eat static. I don't know if it is do to them being busy with a job, family, health problems, or what, but they haven't been giving anyone any clues why they are failing to reply to their mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about Bavisoft? Has anyone heard what they're up to, or why they don't return any emails? HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, I suppose because he's started using a different programming language (he's abandoned Java and AutoIt and has now started to use C++), and is expanding on other software as well, not just games. As for why he abandoned his old games, as far as I understood it, he feels that they didn't meet his expectations in terms of speed and stability, since he used Java where the source code was needed, he used AutoIt where the source code could be hacked into, and even both them languages are very slow and sometimes nonresponsive when it comes to games. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Damien, Thanks. Yeah, I know about Philip's new venture, PB Soundscape, but at the moment it isn't what PB Games use to be. I still haven't figured out why Philip abandoned all of his games, the PB Games name, and started over from scratch. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, To make you aware we haven't exactly lost PBGames, but he's changed his programming platform and he has changed the name to PBSoundscape. Even though games haven't come out under this new name yet, I know he is making them, as I am testing a performance test one out for him now. Thanks. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi is he still making that ant attack one On 30 Jul 2008, at 13:14, Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, I suppose because he's started using a different programming language (he's abandoned Java and AutoIt and has now started to use C++), and is expanding on other software as well, not just games. As for why he abandoned his old games, as far as I understood it, he feels that they didn't meet his expectations in terms of speed and stability, since he used Java where the source code was needed, he used AutoIt where the source code could be hacked into, and even both them languages are very slow and sometimes nonresponsive when it comes to games. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Damien, Thanks. Yeah, I know about Philip's new venture, PB Soundscape, but at the moment it isn't what PB Games use to be. I still haven't figured out why Philip abandoned all of his games, the PB Games name, and started over from scratch. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, To make you aware we haven't exactly lost PBGames, but he's changed his programming platform and he has changed the name to PBSoundscape. Even though games haven't come out under this new name yet, I know he is making them, as I am testing a performance test one out for him now. Thanks. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, At the rate they are going with Chillingham 2 I wouldn't hold my breath for long. They have been talking about it for years with no sign of it ever appearing on the audio games scene. Smile Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, that puzzles me as well. I mean, I did get my CD's in the end so it's obvious that they are still around, and they do update their news page. Yet they don't answer emails and we haven't heard any news on Chillingham II yet. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Are you sure it was Java he wrote his games in? I thought he used Javascript which is a totally different animal all together. Smile In any case I do understand his reasons for starting over. What he was doing wasn't really the best way to go about good game development. Now, he is switching over to C++ he will definitely see an improvement in stability and speed. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, I suppose because he's started using a different programming language (he's abandoned Java and AutoIt and has now started to use C++), and is expanding on other software as well, not just games. As for why he abandoned his old games, as far as I understood it, he feels that they didn't meet his expectations in terms of speed and stability, since he used Java where the source code was needed, he used AutoIt where the source code could be hacked into, and even both them languages are very slow and sometimes nonresponsive when it comes to games. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i think they should just forget the hole process we have other companies we can rely on who play more active roles in our community they should release there games as freeware as they have no customer caring attitudes in my opinion. anyone wana upload chillingham for me? lol smile i'm serious. if they can not give customers satisfactory updates and if bad we can support them, instead they have a nerve to charge for 2 games yet never respond to mails will On 30 Jul 2008, at 13:35, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, At the rate they are going with Chillingham 2 I wouldn't hold my breath for long. They have been talking about it for years with no sign of it ever appearing on the audio games scene. Smile Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, that puzzles me as well. I mean, I did get my CD's in the end so it's obvious that they are still around, and they do update their news page. Yet they don't answer emails and we haven't heard any news on Chillingham II yet. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lighttechinteractive and x-sight-interactive are still active as well. X-sight has a few games currently under development, and Boppit Ultimate was released at the end of last year. David - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Shaun, Not true. The list I said were still around are still moderately to fully active. I know 7128 is still very active, GMA just released VIP Mud, PCS has released Sarah and has been giving us 4 updates for it over the last year, etc. So there is still developers making games, and still are active. In terms of activity I'd say USA Games is falling behind just do to our three month stint at my in-laws house while our apartment gets rennivated. Hopefully by mid August we will be able to start up full production again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Haven't heard much about that one, though I still do have the specifications he made for it. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: will lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about hi is he still making that ant attack one On 30 Jul 2008, at 13:14, Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, I suppose because he's started using a different programming language (he's abandoned Java and AutoIt and has now started to use C++), and is expanding on other software as well, not just games. As for why he abandoned his old games, as far as I understood it, he feels that they didn't meet his expectations in terms of speed and stability, since he used Java where the source code was needed, he used AutoIt where the source code could be hacked into, and even both them languages are very slow and sometimes nonresponsive when it comes to games. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Damien, Thanks. Yeah, I know about Philip's new venture, PB Soundscape, but at the moment it isn't what PB Games use to be. I still haven't figured out why Philip abandoned all of his games, the PB Games name, and started over from scratch. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, To make you aware we haven't exactly lost PBGames, but he's changed his programming platform and he has changed the name to PBSoundscape. Even though games haven't come out under this new name yet, I know he is making them, as I am testing a performance test one out for him now. Thanks. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, Java, Javascript, I always get confused with them two *smile*. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Damien, Are you sure it was Java he wrote his games in? I thought he used Javascript which is a totally different animal all together. Smile In any case I do understand his reasons for starting over. What he was doing wasn't really the best way to go about good game development. Now, he is switching over to C++ he will definitely see an improvement in stability and speed. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi Thomas, I suppose because he's started using a different programming language (he's abandoned Java and AutoIt and has now started to use C++), and is expanding on other software as well, not just games. As for why he abandoned his old games, as far as I understood it, he feels that they didn't meet his expectations in terms of speed and stability, since he used Java where the source code was needed, he used AutoIt where the source code could be hacked into, and even both them languages are very slow and sometimes nonresponsive when it comes to games. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great help in that respect. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Will, In some respects I do have to agree. If they aren't willing to offer satisfactory tech support for their titles they either need to release them under a free license, or stop selling their products. I've been using Vista for over a year now, and Bavisoft hasn't responded to any inquaries about a Windows Vista upgrade policy for their titles. That either means they don't have one, or they don't ever plan upgrading their games beyond the current shipping versions which are already out of date software and hardware specification wise. I have to congradulate GMA, PCS Games, Draconis, BSC, and the other companies that have taken the time to introduce better compatibility for Windows Vista users. They are still showing they care about their products, and are willing to meet the demands of today and not what was current 5 years ago. With Bavisoft they are showing all of us they don't really give a squat about what we need in terms of tech support or reliable upgrades for our newer computers. So in return we should just stop buying their products, and stop publicly supporting them. will lomas wrote: i think they should just forget the hole process we have other companies we can rely on who play more active roles in our community they should release there games as freeware as they have no customer caring attitudes in my opinion. anyone wana upload chillingham for me? lol smile i'm serious. if they can not give customers satisfactory updates and if bad we can support them, instead they have a nerve to charge for 2 games yet never respond to mails will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yes, for those wondering, we are still developing games. We're just finding it hard at the moment for lack of relevant sounds and budget. As far as code goes I recently updated my audio handling code thanks to some help from Philip, so at least making objects, players and characters move shouldn't be a big problem now. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: David Standen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Lighttechinteractive and x-sight-interactive are still active as well. X-sight has a few games currently under development, and Boppit Ultimate was released at the end of last year. David - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Shaun, Not true. The list I said were still around are still moderately to fully active. I know 7128 is still very active, GMA just released VIP Mud, PCS has released Sarah and has been giving us 4 updates for it over the last year, etc. So there is still developers making games, and still are active. In terms of activity I'd say USA Games is falling behind just do to our three month stint at my in-laws house while our apartment gets rennivated. Hopefully by mid August we will be able to start up full production again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Oh, there is a big difference. Java is a programming language developed by Sun Micro Systems to easily create cross platform applications between their Solaris OS and other operating systems. Javascript is a web scripting language created by Netscape to compete with Microsoft's ASP Script. Despite the similarities in the name they are two completely different languages. Now, if you want to get yourself in hot water just sign up for a Java purest mailing list/forum, and call it Javascript. You'll get chewed out. Evil grin. Damien Sadler wrote: Well, Java, Javascript, I always get confused with them two *smile*. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Yeah, the fact of the matter is some people are going to upgrade and we can't stick to total Windows XP only compatibility forever. As of last month Windows XP has totally been pulled off the market, and everything is Windows Vista. So even if you buy a new laptop, and want to buy XP all you can do is hope to find new copies on Ebay or find left over stock some place. In the general market at least Mac OS Leopard sales are up since more and more sighted companies and home users are sick of Vista as well. Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft hoped it would be, and more people are at least thinking about Linux or Mac OS now. As game programmers we need to keep an eye on these trends as we are slowly seeing it happen to the blind community as well. I have a friend from high school who was so disgusted with Vista he went Linux. I know someone else who recently purchased a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it. Both of them are blind,and they don't want to go to Vista. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great help in that respect. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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true tom. I for one thing wouldn't mind staying with xp at least till the next time I really need to upgrade. To tell you the truth, this will be a while, after this laptop decides to die whenever that will be betwene 5-10 years, and maybe more I still have my slow a10 which is semi dead but will probably last me another 5 years or so if I reserect it maybe more. The issue with staying with xp with a laptop is the fact that drivers will not be made for the hardware and since all new hardware will require drivers including sound there is almost no choice in the matter. I suspect that if the next system is not up to scrat h and both laptops do die whenever that will be and this one is just new so I don't think that would be for at least 20-30 years if I play my cards right, if thats the case and I don't have a job or a life a fact that I still am not sure of, then I will just have to get a desktop, its not a big loss. If push comes to shove I have an old sb16 here, I also have an old p3 733 here granted it has a busted ram slot on it meaning I would have the 256mb ram instead of 512 which is recomended for xp really to be good enough to run I probably could live with that. If all else fails though my next system will be either linux or if I want to stay with windows it will be windows 2000 the last system where activation is not required. At 09:01 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Yeah, the fact of the matter is some people are going to upgrade and we can't stick to total Windows XP only compatibility forever. As of last month Windows XP has totally been pulled off the market, and everything is Windows Vista. So even if you buy a new laptop, and want to buy XP all you can do is hope to find new copies on Ebay or find left over stock some place. In the general market at least Mac OS Leopard sales are up since more and more sighted companies and home users are sick of Vista as well. Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft hoped it would be, and more people are at least thinking about Linux or Mac OS now. As game programmers we need to keep an eye on these trends as we are slowly seeing it happen to the blind community as well. I have a friend from high school who was so disgusted with Vista he went Linux. I know someone else who recently purchased a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it. Both of them are blind,and they don't want to go to Vista. Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, I agree. Even though I don't have a Vista laptop or even in some respects don't even agree with Vista, I understand that that's not everyone's opinion, hence the reason I made sure, using my friend's laptop, that Acefire supported Vista before releasing. Cory Sharp was a great help in that respect. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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thats true, Also I have heard rumours that people of late that have got their stuff have not actually got it or had any support or anything. I do have their stuff only because of the net, And only so I can try it. Replay value is prity much 0 although I do run the games on easy if I really want to have a go at smashing something. Could I do without them even if they were a non lagit copy? Yeah Its not like I have played them for a year now. Its no big loss. Same probably goes for superliam and trek2k. I never clocked those really well sl anyway but when I am in a mood I try my best to go with it and flog the keyboard. However I never have been able to beet the game. either I use all lives in waterworks or when I am able to the lab level and even then I havn't been able to beet x1 yet even with the solution files. maybe side scrolers are not my type I have not beat hunter or pipe2 even on easy and yet I have them here. At 02:44 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Will, In some respects I do have to agree. If they aren't willing to offer satisfactory tech support for their titles they either need to release them under a free license, or stop selling their products. I've been using Vista for over a year now, and Bavisoft hasn't responded to any inquaries about a Windows Vista upgrade policy for their titles. That either means they don't have one, or they don't ever plan upgrading their games beyond the current shipping versions which are already out of date software and hardware specification wise. I have to congradulate GMA, PCS Games, Draconis, BSC, and the other companies that have taken the time to introduce better compatibility for Windows Vista users. They are still showing they care about their products, and are willing to meet the demands of today and not what was current 5 years ago. With Bavisoft they are showing all of us they don't really give a squat about what we need in terms of tech support or reliable upgrades for our newer computers. So in return we should just stop buying their products, and stop publicly supporting them. will lomas wrote: i think they should just forget the hole process we have other companies we can rely on who play more active roles in our community they should release there games as freeware as they have no customer caring attitudes in my opinion. anyone wana upload chillingham for me? lol smile i'm serious. if they can not give customers satisfactory updates and if bad we can support them, instead they have a nerve to charge for 2 games yet never respond to mails will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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what about that dj software? - Original Message - From: Damien Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi, Yes, for those wondering, we are still developing games. We're just finding it hard at the moment for lack of relevant sounds and budget. As far as code goes I recently updated my audio handling code thanks to some help from Philip, so at least making objects, players and characters move shouldn't be a big problem now. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: David Standen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Lighttechinteractive and x-sight-interactive are still active as well. X-sight has a few games currently under development, and Boppit Ultimate was released at the end of last year. David - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Shaun, Not true. The list I said were still around are still moderately to fully active. I know 7128 is still very active, GMA just released VIP Mud, PCS has released Sarah and has been giving us 4 updates for it over the last year, etc. So there is still developers making games, and still are active. In terms of activity I'd say USA Games is falling behind just do to our three month stint at my in-laws house while our apartment gets rennivated. Hopefully by mid August we will be able to start up full production again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and the prices are 40 us to from memmory. I have the games but its not worth the trouble of uploading. Ok I have them, off the net but I honestly can't remember when I played them last. At 12:58 a.m. 31/07/2008, you wrote: i think they should just forget the hole process we have other companies we can rely on who play more active roles in our community they should release there games as freeware as they have no customer caring attitudes in my opinion. anyone wana upload chillingham for me? lol smile i'm serious. if they can not give customers satisfactory updates and if bad we can support them, instead they have a nerve to charge for 2 games yet never respond to mails will On 30 Jul 2008, at 13:35, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, At the rate they are going with Chillingham 2 I wouldn't hold my breath for long. They have been talking about it for years with no sign of it ever appearing on the audio games scene. Smile Damien Sadler wrote: Hi, Yeah, that puzzles me as well. I mean, I did get my CD's in the end so it's obvious that they are still around, and they do update their news page. Yet they don't answer emails and we haven't heard any news on Chillingham II yet. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Best guess we will never hear from most of these guys again, nor wwe know what happened to them. After all writing audio games is very expensive when it comes to time and money. Most of us would rather put that time and money into something else like a real job. That is why we don't hear too much from Justin and Dan Z any more. Though BSC Games still exists, and sells their old games. Actually, I am not too surprised the blind game programming community has such a high turn over rate. If you add up all the guys that have come out, wrote a few games, and suddenly quit they almost out number those who are still actively writing stuff. Who do we really got as far as active game developers? PCS Games, USA Games, GMA Games, L-Works, Draconis, X-Sight Interactive, Spoonbill, 7128, All In Play, Jim Kitchen, and maybe a couple of others. Not all that many when you consider all those who aren't making games any more. We have lost Alchemy, RS Games, DanZ Games, PB Games, XL Studios, Code Factory, and those are just the more recent ones. I don't know if we can count Ace Games because they never really made anything of note yet, and ESP/Adora became Draconis. shaun everiss wrote: Hi. Does anyone know what happened to the following. nasoft starbase defender. tdlsoftware and tdlgames conspirasoft. I know flight commander and starbase defender could not be completed due to developer time issues etc however the rest I am not sure. Also any news from surrealhorisons I know they had issues but nothing from them at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah I know. Out of that list the only major dev still active apart from usa is jim kitchen. Rsgames is semi active but yeah the rest I don't know. At 03:43 a.m. 30/07/2008, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Best guess we will never hear from most of these guys again, nor wwe know what happened to them. After all writing audio games is very expensive when it comes to time and money. Most of us would rather put that time and money into something else like a real job. That is why we don't hear too much from Justin and Dan Z any more. Though BSC Games still exists, and sells their old games. Actually, I am not too surprised the blind game programming community has such a high turn over rate. If you add up all the guys that have come out, wrote a few games, and suddenly quit they almost out number those who are still actively writing stuff. Who do we really got as far as active game developers? PCS Games, USA Games, GMA Games, L-Works, Draconis, X-Sight Interactive, Spoonbill, 7128, All In Play, Jim Kitchen, and maybe a couple of others. Not all that many when you consider all those who aren't making games any more. We have lost Alchemy, RS Games, DanZ Games, PB Games, XL Studios, Code Factory, and those are just the more recent ones. I don't know if we can count Ace Games because they never really made anything of note yet, and ESP/Adora became Draconis. shaun everiss wrote: Hi. Does anyone know what happened to the following. nasoft starbase defender. tdlsoftware and tdlgames conspirasoft. I know flight commander and starbase defender could not be completed due to developer time issues etc however the rest I am not sure. Also any news from surrealhorisons I know they had issues but nothing from them at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, To make you aware we haven't exactly lost PBGames, but he's changed his programming platform and he has changed the name to PBSoundscape. Even though games haven't come out under this new name yet, I know he is making them, as I am testing a performance test one out for him now. Thanks. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi Shaun, Best guess we will never hear from most of these guys again, nor wwe know what happened to them. After all writing audio games is very expensive when it comes to time and money. Most of us would rather put that time and money into something else like a real job. That is why we don't hear too much from Justin and Dan Z any more. Though BSC Games still exists, and sells their old games. Actually, I am not too surprised the blind game programming community has such a high turn over rate. If you add up all the guys that have come out, wrote a few games, and suddenly quit they almost out number those who are still actively writing stuff. Who do we really got as far as active game developers? PCS Games, USA Games, GMA Games, L-Works, Draconis, X-Sight Interactive, Spoonbill, 7128, All In Play, Jim Kitchen, and maybe a couple of others. Not all that many when you consider all those who aren't making games any more. We have lost Alchemy, RS Games, DanZ Games, PB Games, XL Studios, Code Factory, and those are just the more recent ones. I don't know if we can count Ace Games because they never really made anything of note yet, and ESP/Adora became Draconis. shaun everiss wrote: Hi. Does anyone know what happened to the following. nasoft starbase defender. tdlsoftware and tdlgames conspirasoft. I know flight commander and starbase defender could not be completed due to developer time issues etc however the rest I am not sure. Also any news from surrealhorisons I know they had issues but nothing from them at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What about Bavisoft? Has anyone heard what they're up to, or why they don't return any emails? HTH. - Original Message - From: John Bannick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Shaun, I don't know if we qualify as major but 7-128 Software is still in the biz. Right now we've got 8 new blind-accessible games for children coded. We plan to release them as soon as I get the dratted custom content editors finished for Perkins School. Then I've been told that I gotta finish a couple more accessible word games. Then... well, you get the idea. John Bannick CTO (techno-galley-slave) 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Well even though RS Games is closed, and will open again sometime, I have not been doing no coding. My friend, Mike Forzano, has been coding a MUD that I will not give the URL out yet. Being a Wizard, with not much experience in MOO coding, I coded a client to use. It is ment for the general mud range and is reccomended. It is highly accessible, with JFW API as well as SAPI, ANSI coloring, F1 to F10 command senders, F12 sapi quiter, Pre-Set Sounds, Combo Box of items added, Preferences/Logging, Trigger Adder (Similar to VIP MUD's Easy Script Builder). I have to say I enjoy the MOO very much, and RMUD (what I call my client) is coming along. I'd like your feature requests, although I have decided no scripting language, at least for some time. I am not skilled enough to code something like that. The good thing about this is, is that it's a custom client, so the basics of the policies are covered. It also auto-connects to the MUD. It's a little under 1000 lines in VB6...We have a refined staff, so we think you will enjoy the moo when it is complete. -Ryan Smith RSG is closed, SDM 4.1 patch may be released soon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ryan, Come back asap! you are brilyant! - Original Message - From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi, Well even though RS Games is closed, and will open again sometime, I have not been doing no coding. My friend, Mike Forzano, has been coding a MUD that I will not give the URL out yet. Being a Wizard, with not much experience in MOO coding, I coded a client to use. It is ment for the general mud range and is reccomended. It is highly accessible, with JFW API as well as SAPI, ANSI coloring, F1 to F10 command senders, F12 sapi quiter, Pre-Set Sounds, Combo Box of items added, Preferences/Logging, Trigger Adder (Similar to VIP MUD's Easy Script Builder). I have to say I enjoy the MOO very much, and RMUD (what I call my client) is coming along. I'd like your feature requests, although I have decided no scripting language, at least for some time. I am not skilled enough to code something like that. The good thing about this is, is that it's a custom client, so the basics of the policies are covered. It also auto-connects to the MUD. It's a little under 1000 lines in VB6...We have a refined staff, so we think you will enjoy the moo when it is complete. -Ryan Smith RSG is closed, SDM 4.1 patch may be released soon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yeah, that puzzles me as well. I mean, I did get my CD's in the end so it's obvious that they are still around, and they do update their news page. Yet they don't answer emails and we haven't heard any news on Chillingham II yet. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about What about Bavisoft? Has anyone heard what they're up to, or why they don't return any emails? HTH. - Original Message - From: John Bannick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Shaun, I don't know if we qualify as major but 7-128 Software is still in the biz. Right now we've got 8 new blind-accessible games for children coded. We plan to release them as soon as I get the dratted custom content editors finished for Perkins School. Then I've been told that I gotta finish a couple more accessible word games. Then... well, you get the idea. John Bannick CTO (techno-galley-slave) 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Oh, is that why Mike seems to have given up with X-Sight? I was still waiting for the bug fix for CC from him so I could upload it. I'm sick of having a constantly corrupted download on there. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old game companies we have not heard much about Hi, Well even though RS Games is closed, and will open again sometime, I have not been doing no coding. My friend, Mike Forzano, has been coding a MUD that I will not give the URL out yet. Being a Wizard, with not much experience in MOO coding, I coded a client to use. It is ment for the general mud range and is reccomended. It is highly accessible, with JFW API as well as SAPI, ANSI coloring, F1 to F10 command senders, F12 sapi quiter, Pre-Set Sounds, Combo Box of items added, Preferences/Logging, Trigger Adder (Similar to VIP MUD's Easy Script Builder). I have to say I enjoy the MOO very much, and RMUD (what I call my client) is coming along. I'd like your feature requests, although I have decided no scripting language, at least for some time. I am not skilled enough to code something like that. The good thing about this is, is that it's a custom client, so the basics of the policies are covered. It also auto-connects to the MUD. It's a little under 1000 lines in VB6...We have a refined staff, so we think you will enjoy the moo when it is complete. -Ryan Smith RSG is closed, SDM 4.1 patch may be released soon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
