[Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games
I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update including questionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day
The first thought is that it's the modern operating systems that are the problem, and that these operating systems should be made backward compatible to accommodate software that has loyally been used by the multitudes. I doubt if that can be done, though. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update including questionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day Hi Dark, You see, that's where we differ in opinion. I don't think Liam needs to do anything here. You are em plying that people need these games to continue to be available even though modern technology makes it unlikely they will continue to run on modern hardware and software for ever. Sooner or later incompatibility will make it extremely difficult to run them, and no matter how much you or any other end users might resent that fact it doesn't change the facts of the situation. Think about this in a different context. Back in the 90's Lucas Arts produced a number of games for Windows 95 and Windows 98 like Rebel Assault, Rebel Assault II, Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight II, etc. Now none of those games are remotely compatible with Windows 7 or Windows 8 as far as I know, and they were discontinued at least 14 years ago. What right would I have to go to Lucas Arts and demand they give those games away for free or to just hand them over to me because I want them? The answer is I have no such right. Saying they need to give them away is a bit ridiculous. Moreover I had plenty of opportunity to buy them from the stores when they were being sold, and asking them years after the fact implies some sort of entitlement to the games that I never had to begin with. What you are saying in regard to Liam's games are no different. Super Liam was on sale for years, and people who didn't buy it when it was being sold are simply out of luck. Having x number of users saying they want Super Liam for free now that it isn't being sold is no different than telling a mainstream company such as Lucas Arts that we want all their older games for free because we can't buy them any more. The only difference with Liam's games and Lucas's games is that unlike the mainstream community we don't have many alternatives so people have started calling their wants needs and thinking they have some entitlement to the games they don't have. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm afraid I disagree phil on the selling of keygen software. That is okay while it's still being sold, however if as Justin did the software was sold for a limited time and then stopped you've effectively done the same thing in denying games to future gamers even on virtual machines etc. If Liam is not planning on updating the game to work on modern windows, either he needs to keep selling them with the proviso that you must install the vb6 dependencies to get them to work, or he needs to make them abandonware and allow key generation for free just as Thomas Westin did with terraformers or David greenwood did with Trek 2000. That is the only way to stop them falling off the map forever. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games
if you don't like microsoft, switch to ubuntu-gnome 14.04. but if you do that you may complain about the lack of games on that operating system then. signature not available. Charles Rivard wrote: I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. its just like navigating a dialog box. signature not available. john wrote: I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 08/09/2014 12:32, Josh wrote: vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. its just like navigating a dialog box. signature not available. john wrote: I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
jim kitchen's games work fine. signature not available. Christopher Hallsworth wrote: Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 08/09/2014 12:32, Josh wrote: vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. its just like navigating a dialog box. signature not available. john wrote: I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
Accept that the ribbons change randomly... -- From: Josh joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. its just like navigating a dialog box. signature not available. john wrote: I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
The ribbons do not work like a dialog box. You can be tabbing and, suddenly, with no apparent reason, you are now on the lower ribbon. Once there, you cannot shift tab once to get back on top. You are now moving to the left along the lower ribbon, where you don't want to be. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. its just like navigating a dialog box. signature not available. john wrote: I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuingsalesof Legacy games
If this were true, there would be no sound problems with games developed for the blind, but there are. Outlook Express does not work on Windows Vista and above. Pulldown menus are no longer used. And you say these issues can be fixed with just a little work? How. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuingsalesof Legacy games I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorksdiscontinuingsalesof Legacy games
Outlook express is from the 90's, no? I personally use windows live 2009, which is completely accessible, does not have ribbons, and runs like a charm under windows anything. The little work comes in digging up the installer, but google is your friend. Sound problems: I don't yet have windows 8, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that all the games I've ever played work just fine on my windows 7 machines. The only game that had minor issues was shades of doom, but even that's not so bad that its entirely unplayable. If the ribbons give you trouble, go find a functional program that doesn't use them (its not that hard). -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:26 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorksdiscontinuingsalesof Legacy games If this were true, there would be no sound problems with games developed for the blind, but there are. Outlook Express does not work on Windows Vista and above. Pulldown menus are no longer used. And you say these issues can be fixed with just a little work? How. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuingsalesof Legacy games
get mozilla thunderbird, and get a program to switch windows back to pull down menus. signature not available. Charles Rivard wrote: If this were true, there would be no sound problems with games developed for the blind, but there are. Outlook Express does not work on Windows Vista and above. Pulldown menus are no longer used. And you say these issues can be fixed with just a little work? How. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuingsalesof Legacy games I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case. I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge. On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a developer has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers, trek 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games. I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on this issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is making some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient
Hi dennis that would be great so again thanks for all the hard work you put in for our enjoyment and as a blind user it makes it even more enjoyable -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:11 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient There is a way to set mush to automatically open a world on startup, but I don't use mush regularly and I'm not currently near my windows machine to figure it out and post instructions. Next time I fire it up I'll try to remember to write an autoconnect guide or something. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, thanks John, I'll try that. I don't know why it doesn't start automatically others, it just was that way for me all the time. Best regards Sarah Am 07.09.2014 16:51, schrieb wayne17a: Hi when I start mushz I have to use alt f and down arrow to alter so I don't know how you got it to start automatically -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Haake Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient Hi, I wanted to do that first. The problem is, that Alter Aeon is loaded immediately when I start this copy of Mushclient, even if I directly click on the .exe file and not on the desktop icon. And I don't really know how to close Alter Aeon completely so I can open a new world without having extra clutter on the screen. Or is there a way to prevent Alter Aeon from loading automatically? Thanks and best regards Sarah Am 06.09.2014 02:47, schrieb john: I would suggest that rather than installing a new copy of mushclient, you simply create a new world with the same client used for mush-z. Mush-z is simply a world created and distributed along with a copy of mushclient; the client is not modified in any way, and is perfectly suited for playing other muds. Further, you'll probably find it easier to get everything configured if you use the client that came with mush-z, because it may already have some of the paths set up for you. -- From: Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:24 PM To: Audyssey gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient Hi, since the MushZ package is made for playing Alter Aeon speciffically, I just installed a clean version of Mushclient to be able to play other muds with it. I installed the exact same version which MushZ uses, 4.84. Now I of course want to have the Mushreader plugin in there, so NVDA will read the mud output to me. But after adding the plugin and trying to open a world or create a new one, I get a scripting error. Error number: 0 Event:Run-time error Description: [string Plugin]:268: Das angegebene Modul wurde nicht gefunden. stack traceback: [C]: in function 'assert' [string Plugin]:268: in function [string Plugin]:267 Called by:Function/Sub: OnPluginInstall called by Plugin MushReader Reason: Executing plugin MushReader sub OnPluginInstall The German part in the error message states that the requested plugin could not be found, but it's right there in the plugins folder. I'm using Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the normal Mushclient in the same location where MushZ is installed, and MushZ works just fine for me. So, any ideas why the mushreader refuses to work? Any help will be greatly appreciated, since I want to get back into other muds besides Alter Aeon again. Thanks and best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient
My only problem is that there is a pause in speech when a line break occurs. Sent from my iPod 5 keychat/google talk: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com primary email: d.pra...@me.com facebook/iMessage: devinpra...@live.com On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:32, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi dennis that would be great so again thanks for all the hard work you put in for our enjoyment and as a blind user it makes it even more enjoyable -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:11 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient There is a way to set mush to automatically open a world on startup, but I don't use mush regularly and I'm not currently near my windows machine to figure it out and post instructions. Next time I fire it up I'll try to remember to write an autoconnect guide or something. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, thanks John, I'll try that. I don't know why it doesn't start automatically others, it just was that way for me all the time. Best regards Sarah Am 07.09.2014 16:51, schrieb wayne17a: Hi when I start mushz I have to use alt f and down arrow to alter so I don't know how you got it to start automatically -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Haake Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient Hi, I wanted to do that first. The problem is, that Alter Aeon is loaded immediately when I start this copy of Mushclient, even if I directly click on the .exe file and not on the desktop icon. And I don't really know how to close Alter Aeon completely so I can open a new world without having extra clutter on the screen. Or is there a way to prevent Alter Aeon from loading automatically? Thanks and best regards Sarah Am 06.09.2014 02:47, schrieb john: I would suggest that rather than installing a new copy of mushclient, you simply create a new world with the same client used for mush-z. Mush-z is simply a world created and distributed along with a copy of mushclient; the client is not modified in any way, and is perfectly suited for playing other muds. Further, you'll probably find it easier to get everything configured if you use the client that came with mush-z, because it may already have some of the paths set up for you. -- From: Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:24 PM To: Audyssey gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Problem with Mushclient Hi, since the MushZ package is made for playing Alter Aeon speciffically, I just installed a clean version of Mushclient to be able to play other muds with it. I installed the exact same version which MushZ uses, 4.84. Now I of course want to have the Mushreader plugin in there, so NVDA will read the mud output to me. But after adding the plugin and trying to open a world or create a new one, I get a scripting error. Error number: 0 Event:Run-time error Description: [string Plugin]:268: Das angegebene Modul wurde nicht gefunden. stack traceback: [C]: in function 'assert' [string Plugin]:268: in function [string Plugin]:267 Called by:Function/Sub: OnPluginInstall called by Plugin MushReader Reason: Executing plugin MushReader sub OnPluginInstall The German part in the error message states that the requested plugin could not be found, but it's right there in the plugins folder. I'm using Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the normal Mushclient in the same location where MushZ is installed, and MushZ works just fine for me. So, any ideas why the mushreader refuses to work? Any help will be greatly appreciated, since I want to get back into other muds besides Alter Aeon again. Thanks and best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update including questionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day
Hi Charles, Unfortunately, while it is all well and good for an end user to say companies should make software, especially an operating system backwards compatible, he or she is likely unaware of the technical aspects of what they want. They are unaware of the complexity or the difficulty involved in making backwards compatibility a reality. All they want is for it to work which is the difference between an end user and a software engineer. For one thing hardware is constantly changing. New hardware means it requires new software to be designed to support it and make use of it. Old software either has to be upgraded, rewritten, or outright replaced in order to keep up with changing hardware specifications. As a result from time to time older software that depends on say an API within an operating system can and will break if it also is not upgraded along side the operating system or API. For example, I have a number of games written for Windows 95 which used Microsoft DirectX 6. DirectX 6 was developed during the mid 90's, and was designed for the 90's era of hardware and software. DirectDraw, the graphics component, was sufficient for graphics cards of the time, but isn't up to handling the video cards we have now so was replaced by Direct3D in DirectX 9. Likewise DirectSound was designed for sound cards of the mid 90's such as the Soundblaster Live with 4.1 surround sound etc. However, by the mid 2000's Microsoft realized that DirectSound either needed to be rewritten from scratch to support modern 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound hardware or replace it. They chose to replace it with XAudio2 in Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. Both DirectDraw and DirectSound were phased out mainly do to changing hardware specifications, and are no longer going to be upgraded because newer technologies have replaced them. The problem is, of course, that many older games depended on those technologies and now are having compatibility issues with modern Windows. The question is who is to blame? Its easy to point the finger at Microsoft since it is their operating system and technologies that broke compatibility, but people who do that aren't aware of the decisions they had to make in order to move forward or try and maintain some old software that was simply not design for modern hardware. From Microsoft's point of view it is the third-party developer's fault because they have not upgraded their software to meet the new hardware and software specifications. As a developer myself I would agree with Microsoft if a piece of software breaks its not Microsoft's fault. It should be the developer's responsibility to insure that their software is updated to run on newer hardware and software without errors. It shouldn't be Microsoft's responsibility to support every piece of software ever written on their platform while trying to move forward with supporting newer hardware specifications. Another issue is support for 16-bit applications such as older Dos and Windows 3.1 applications. Many people are aware they can't play a lot of Dos games on their Windows 7 or Windows 8 64-bit computers without a Dos emulator like Dosbox but don't know why. The reason is that newer 64-bit processors were not designed to run 8-bit or 16-bit software. Therefore the problem begins with processor manufacturers like Intel and AMD, but if Windows can't run someone's favorite 16-bit application or game of course Microsoft is going to take the blame for that even though they aren't the one who created the problem. The two solutions for that specific problem is either an emulator of some kind like Dosbox, which already exists, or a virtual machine. One can't reasonably expect Microsoft to spend time and money on researching ways to support older 8-bit and 16-bit applications from twenty or more years ago when the simplest solution to the problem is for the developer of said software to upgrade their older software, or for the end user to install a free emulator like Dosbox if they absolutely can't live without their 16-bit applications. The thing here is that Microsoft does remarkably well for maintaining backwards compatibility when and where they can. Its just that in the process of moving forward not every piece of software ever written can be maintained without the developer themselves getting involved and upgrading along side the operating system. Computer technology, especially hardware, is constantly changing and software engineers are always trying to keep up with those changes. They either don't have the time or the financial motivation to continue supporting 10, 20, or 30 year old software just because a few end users can't or won't upgrade. Unless you still want to kick Microsoft where it counts and blame them for the situation I'm afraid you are going to have to blame the industry as a whole for that. When Apple switched to an Intel based platform they basically told all their older users if they upgrade to OS X they would have to buy
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuingsalesof Legacy games
Hi Charles, We are veering way off topic here, but since you asked and others might be wondering I'll go ahead and answer your question. The simplest solution to your problem is find a different program with a user interface that you are comfortable with. If you didn't like the new Wordpad with its ribbon then install and use a program like Jarte which is essentially the same program but with a traditional pulldown Window. While its true you can't run Outlook Express on modern Windows there are other options like Thunderbird which has a traditional user interface and might be a good replacement. bottom line, no you can't continue using what you use to use, but there are alternatives out there if you look and are willing to change. cheers! On 9/8/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If this were true, there would be no sound problems with games developed for the blind, but there are. Outlook Express does not work on Windows Vista and above. Pulldown menus are no longer used. And you say these issues can be fixed with just a little work? How. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games
Hi Christopher, There are a number of reasons for why a game like Troopenum doesn't work besides being written in VB 6. It could be it relies on some older activex components that are not present on the system in question or the software Justin used to pack the executibles etc is itself incompatible. Whatever the case we are talking multiple dependency issues here not one or two. Cheers! On 9/8/14, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games
Hi Charles, Well, to begin with there are sometimes a technical reason for a change, but a lot of times there isn't. Unfortunately, a lot of end users aren't savvy enough to recognize the difference between the two. In this case your question is a little of both. Regarding issues with sound it has to do with the fact the audio mixer in Windows was designed in the mid 90's for a completely different era of audio hardware. Ten years later by the mid 2000's there was a lot of newer better audio hardware with 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support that Windows could not handle because the mixer was out of date. So in Windows Vista Microsoft upgraded the sound mixer, but in the process a lot of older software like DirectSound and older versions of Windows Media Player broke. Rather than upgrade DirectSound Microsoft replaced it with XAudio2, and of course upgraded software like windows Media Player with the required new audio support. So as far as sound goes it has a purely technical explanation and was a mandatory upgrade. Its just that games, particularly audio games, are still using things like VB 6 and DirectX 8 which were designed before the audio mixer was updated and are now broken as a result. As for things like the ribbons there isn't a technical reason for why they have largely replaced menus in modern Windows. I wasn't there when the decision was made so can't testify as to why they were adopted, but I can put forth a few ideas on the subject. One thing is that software engineers are creative people by nature. We like to create things, that's why we are programmers, and as a result we are always looking for new ways to do things. We fly in the face of the if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality because we always want to change something, improve it, and make it better if we can. So obviously someone at Microsoft thought the ribbons were a good idea even if many end users might not agree with that. However, its more than simple creativity at work. Companies are in the business of making money. They have to sell you something to stay in business even if that something is just a fresh new look and feel with little advantages or real changes. In the business world its call perceived obsolescence. Basically, a corporate way of milking a product for all it is worth by making changes for change's sake. For example, let's say a PC builder like Del releases a new PC in the spring with an Almond case, a 19 inch display, keyboard, mouse etc. Now in the fall they have their new PC ready to ship, but they have lots of parts in their inventory from the spring run. What they will do is come up with a shiny new black case, maybe a matching 19 inch display, keyboard, and mouse and release their old model on the market before their new models in order to get the most out of their spring run even though it is virtually identical to their last run besides a fancy new case and color change. Anyone who wasn't technically astute or savvy enough to compare specs might assume the new run is a brand new machine when it is basically the same thing as the spring run with a very minor makeover. We see very much the same thing with software. If Microsoft has troubles selling something like Office, don't have a lot of new updates in it, they may try and change the user interface, give it a new look and feel,in order to hopefully sell it as a new product. Even though the changes are very minor. In short, there aren't always technical reasons for a change, and it is just the developer's way of staying in business. You have to realize something like the ribbons is do more to attempts to make money than anything else. Companies of all kinds are always making changes in the hopes they can continue to sell something old as something new. It is a bit dishonest in ways, but nobody ever said business was ethical or completely honest. Cheers! On 9/8/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games
So for all of you comp savvy people on hear, is it possible to install windows 7 on a windows 8 machine? And now computers come with preinstalled software, where might I get copy of Windows 7? Danielle On 9/8/14, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, to begin with there are sometimes a technical reason for a change, but a lot of times there isn't. Unfortunately, a lot of end users aren't savvy enough to recognize the difference between the two. In this case your question is a little of both. Regarding issues with sound it has to do with the fact the audio mixer in Windows was designed in the mid 90's for a completely different era of audio hardware. Ten years later by the mid 2000's there was a lot of newer better audio hardware with 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support that Windows could not handle because the mixer was out of date. So in Windows Vista Microsoft upgraded the sound mixer, but in the process a lot of older software like DirectSound and older versions of Windows Media Player broke. Rather than upgrade DirectSound Microsoft replaced it with XAudio2, and of course upgraded software like windows Media Player with the required new audio support. So as far as sound goes it has a purely technical explanation and was a mandatory upgrade. Its just that games, particularly audio games, are still using things like VB 6 and DirectX 8 which were designed before the audio mixer was updated and are now broken as a result. As for things like the ribbons there isn't a technical reason for why they have largely replaced menus in modern Windows. I wasn't there when the decision was made so can't testify as to why they were adopted, but I can put forth a few ideas on the subject. One thing is that software engineers are creative people by nature. We like to create things, that's why we are programmers, and as a result we are always looking for new ways to do things. We fly in the face of the if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality because we always want to change something, improve it, and make it better if we can. So obviously someone at Microsoft thought the ribbons were a good idea even if many end users might not agree with that. However, its more than simple creativity at work. Companies are in the business of making money. They have to sell you something to stay in business even if that something is just a fresh new look and feel with little advantages or real changes. In the business world its call perceived obsolescence. Basically, a corporate way of milking a product for all it is worth by making changes for change's sake. For example, let's say a PC builder like Del releases a new PC in the spring with an Almond case, a 19 inch display, keyboard, mouse etc. Now in the fall they have their new PC ready to ship, but they have lots of parts in their inventory from the spring run. What they will do is come up with a shiny new black case, maybe a matching 19 inch display, keyboard, and mouse and release their old model on the market before their new models in order to get the most out of their spring run even though it is virtually identical to their last run besides a fancy new case and color change. Anyone who wasn't technically astute or savvy enough to compare specs might assume the new run is a brand new machine when it is basically the same thing as the spring run with a very minor makeover. We see very much the same thing with software. If Microsoft has troubles selling something like Office, don't have a lot of new updates in it, they may try and change the user interface, give it a new look and feel,in order to hopefully sell it as a new product. Even though the changes are very minor. In short, there aren't always technical reasons for a change, and it is just the developer's way of staying in business. You have to realize something like the ribbons is do more to attempts to make money than anything else. Companies of all kinds are always making changes in the hopes they can continue to sell something old as something new. It is a bit dishonest in ways, but nobody ever said business was ethical or completely honest. Cheers! On 9/8/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and that sort of stuff. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
